Conservative purge in the House Republican caucus?

posted at 9:41 am on December 4, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Has John Boehner decided to crack down on dissent within the House caucus?  Roll Call’s Jonathan Strong reports on a reshuffle of the committee-assignment deck that leaves a few conservatives without a hand in the coming fiscal-cliff fight:

Speaker John A. Boehner initiated today a small purge of rebellious Republicans — mostly conservatives — from prominent committees; it’s the latest instance of the Ohio Republican’s clamping down on his fractious conference.

The decisions were made by the GOP Steering Committee at a Monday meeting, which reviewed a spreadsheet listing each GOP lawmaker and how often he or she had voted with leadership, three sources said.

Reps. David Schweikert of Arizona and Walter Jones of North Carolina were booted from the Financial Services Committee. Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan and Tim Huelskamp of Kansas were removed from the Budget Committee.

According to a source, Schweikert was told that he was ousted in part because his “votes were not in lockstep with leadership.”

The correlation to dissent may not cover the reshuffle entire, Strong reports.  For instance, Schweikart’s problem might be less his votes and more in the way he campaigned against Ben Quayle:

Schweikert defeated Rep. Ben Quayle in a contentious GOP primary and was not regarded as leadership’s first choice in that race. Schweikert’s tactics in the rough-and-tumble primary, according to several sources, rubbed leaders the wrong way.

A GOP lobbyist emailed about the Schweikert situation, “Wow. Don’t F w Jeb.” The reference was apparently to incoming Financial Services Chairman Jeb Hensarling of Texas, the departing GOP Conference chairman.

When analyzing assignment changes, don’t entirely discount the personal over the political.  The fiscal cliff could be coincidental to this, as this is the normal time for reassessing committee assignments for the upcoming session of Congress.  These committee spots are given out for many reasons, and policy fealty is only one of them.  Anyone who has seen politics up close at any level learns quickly that the systems are set up to reward and punish based on the whims of those elected to leadership.

That’s why Nancy Pelosi was so eager to retain her leadership of the House Democratic Caucus.  It’s also why her decision prompted no rebellion among those whom she had either appointed or protected to get into leadership along with her.

However, the changes certainly appear to prepare Boehner to deliver on any agreement he makes with Harry Reid and Barack Obama.  That came up as an issue in the summer of 2011, when a back-bench revolt began to look likely as details of the “grand bargain” got leaked during the final days of the debt-limit crisis.  It signals that Boehner wants to have a carte blanche on negotiations this time around, and that his leadership appears ready to give it to him.


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they think we are stupid.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

We are

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Just wait until they need the government.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM

The fact that no one seems to realize that we are the government is pretty telling. We use to be the revenue, now borrowing and debt is the name of the game. It’s actually surprising that we have lasted this long.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

All that on your list are easily arguable

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM

*gag*

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

“We send good conservatives to D.C. to fulfill the promises they made to the electorate, and yet when they stay true to their word the permanent political class in their own party punishes them. This won’t be forgotten come 2014. Right now the GOP establishment is more concerned about the opinion of the media and the Georgetown cocktail circuit than they are “we the people” who hired them. For all this new talk of how the GOP needs a “populist movement,” it would do them good to remember they already have one; it’s called the Tea Party movement, and it won for them the majority they now enjoy in the House.”
 
– Sarah Palin

idesign on December 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Missed the point.

No, I didn’t. Romney sat there agreeing with Obama for most of the debates and he criticized Obama for cutting Medicare and promised to restore those cuts.

I won’t bother asking you what Romney was going to cut because you have no answer.

Which side you on?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM

There is only one side.
The Republican-Democratic side.
They are the same damn thing.

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Reagan was no conservative; taxes increased, he grew government, he increased spending.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:58 AM

And Dem House Speaker said that any Reagan budget was dead on arrival.

So what’s your point?

Oh, I know! Typical cookie-cutter liberal bashing of Reagan. We know all that game, too.

Reagan didn’t raise taxes. The DEMOCRAT Congress did! Reagan had to make deals to get what he wanted, forced on him by DEMOCRATS!

Congress raised the taxes, the Democrat Congress raised the taxes. So save what you call ‘history’, because you’re a partisan who either knows nothing or won’t tell the truth.

You think you’re dealing with a bunch of illiterate idiots here, don’t you? You, libfree, and all the other liblets who infect what would be a great time among friends if not for you.

We don’t have to be right all the time, and none of us think we are every second of the day. But you liberals truly believe you have the corner on every market of thought and opinion. You liblets fall apart against us regular folk. Imagine if we were always so cocksure of perfection as you dumb bunny liberals!

You’re a loser, Dante. You’re in the wrong place to try changing minds. About the most YOU can possibly muster is to be a yes-man on HuffPo, because you’re making no headway here.

Tell us all, Dante, how we’re better off today under your precious Obama than we were under Reagan.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Sarah move to John Boneheads district and primary him out of office. That would set you up to be President in 2016.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Something NEEDS to happen to John Boehner.

That something NEEDS to emanate from a source EXTERNAL to Congrees,

And – AFTER that SOMETHING happens to John Boehner, he NEEDS to have been ELIMINATED from ALL Congressional decisions.

williamg on December 4, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Explain to me how you just lost a national election and the entire house and senate leadership teams stay the same except for retiring members.

This is a great example of how the beltway swill pick candidates. If you don’t play by their rules they blackball you. They withold plum assignments, money for relection, etc..

Further, look what the GOP pond scum did to Palin. The 2008 VP nominee wasn’t allowed to speak at the GOP convention. You think Ryan won’t be allowed to speak in 2016. I don’t think so either.

The liberal GOP party who are beltway driven is too far gone. Only solution is a new party.

Danielvito on December 4, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Wow, I guess Rush only thought this story was worth a brief mention, half of which was an excuse for Boehner. I hope that conservatives will Remember this about Rush in the future, he always fold to his friend Boehner.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:26 PM

the Pubs stopped speaking for me the instant Bush I signed on to the biggest tax hike in history at the time.

I have been a political wayfarer ever since.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Reagan was no conservative; taxes increased, he grew government, he increased spending.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Stupidest quote of the DAY!!

This is right up there with George Berhard Shaw’s brilliant exercise in logic which concluded that the Earth “is flat”.

williamg on December 4, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Rmember, after the dual Open Registrations, the influx of “Fascal Conservatives”, who told us that it was alright to be Liberal in everything, as long as you knew how to write and submit a budget?

I remember being shouted down, when I questioned the effectiveness of nominating a man who essentially “Godfathered” Obamacare, being told that only a NE candidate could bring us not only that region’s, but the whole nation’s “Moderates and Independents” and being a Reagan Conservatives was an exercise in ignorance.

Now, I see the entire GOP Leadership selling out their Conservative Principles, in an effort to position themselves as “Moderate Big Tenters” before 2016.

What is the definition of insanity?

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I think you are correct. It’s very sad. I am an optimist and a fighter and I still don’t see how we can win this back. 51% of Americans are stupid.

VegasRick on December 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM

I think you are correct. It’s very sad. I am an optimist and a fighter and I still don’t see how we can win this back. 51% of Americans are stupid.

VegasRick on December 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM

From your perspective 51% of eligible voters (Obama voters) are “stupid”. Considering that only 57.5% of all eligible voters even went to the polls, it seems reasonable that one should go after the remaining 94.8 million eligible voters and also try to sway some of the previous 51% that voted for Obama. With the right strategy and effort, overcoming this debacle and attaining future victories is not only possible but is highly probable.

rplat on December 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Indeed. If they’d call me anything, I’d immediately tell them that to expect this little of the first half black president is the ultimate insult and form of racism. I’d be insulted as a minority to be represented by this inept arrogant narcissistic destructive ‘prince’.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I agree, and that has to be the new tactic. There is an advantage to it also. They are unprepared for it.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:37 PM

No new party is needed.
Conservatives simply need to stand up and be counted!
Put a candidate up to challenge Boehner and failing that, they need to VOTE for the Constitution and not vote as Democrats!
If they vote a Democrats they need to run for office as Democrats!

Delsa on December 4, 2012 at 12:38 PM

What I am seeing right now is panic on both the right and center factions of the Republican party. Rather than uniting, they are spending a lot of energy trying to throw each other under the bus.

crosspatch on December 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Is Rush running for something? Hey, I have a great idea, let’s get rid of the biggest microphone we have to counteract the overwhelming liberal bias in the media. We can no longer allow dissent. Now all we have to do is find two people who agree on everything and set them up as the arbitrators of acceptable listening.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Wow, I guess Rush only thought this story was worth a brief mention, half of which was an excuse for Boehner. I hope that conservatives will Remember this about Rush in the future, he always fold to his friend Boehner.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Rush stopped being a hard Conservative and is now a Republican elitist? Is that what you’re trying to bash/claim?

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Much to my giddy delight!

Enjoy Boehner you Conservative Slaves! You damn sure deserve him!!

HondaV65 on December 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM

I take it you don’t live in the country and are immune from what this administration is doing to it.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:26 PM
the Pubs stopped speaking for me the instant Bush I signed on to the biggest tax hike in history at the time.

I have been a political wayfarer ever since.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Yes good old GW the worst President in the last hundred years far worst than Carter for his own Party. Or is it really his own Party I am beginning to wonder how infiltrated the GOP is. I mean Mitt Romney was on tape claiming to be a Democrat in 2002 yet he became the nominee. That is pure insanity.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

The land is in dire need of a man with a couple of really steely ones.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Much to my giddy delight!

Enjoy Boehner you Conservative Slaves! You damn sure deserve him!!

HondaV65 on December 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM

We Conservatives don’t like him or want him.

Get updated on current events, would you?

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Dante is an anarchist. He hates all government.
He believes that the Indians were governmentless, while having chiefs and other hierarchy. He thinks the west was governmentless while the citizens enacted near identical forms of control as the governments they left behind. He thinks that a township in the mountains in Europe was governmentless, while certain people of authority had the power to determine outcomes of contracts and could kick you out for life.

Yup, government free!

astonerii on December 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Is Rush running for something? Hey, I have a great idea, let’s get rid of the biggest microphone we Boehner has…

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

FIFY.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:46 PM

You damn sure deserve him!!

HondaV65 on December 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM

To Hades with Boehner.

Plus, YOU deserve the scrooming of Obama, until you bleed, hungry, destroyed in the dark/cold, along with yours. All who enabled the bringing/keeping of Obama deserve NO less, while he/her do this.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Did anyone expect anything less from the “Crybaby Boner”? We are being hit from the Far left libatards and the left of center republicans.

We need to clean house and that means all of them!

Tbone McGraw on December 4, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Rush stopped being a hard Conservative and is now a Republican elitist? Is that what you’re trying to bash/claim?

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:40 PM

No Rush is a conservative but he also has as his primary objective making money. Thus he moves slowly when events change quickly. He avoids jumping the gun/shark. In a few days he will be all over John Bonehead.

But he is into making money first and conservative values second make no mistake about that. He will not abandon non conservative listeners.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:49 PM

1. Arguments as to whether this is a purge or not are moot. Politics is perception. If it is perceived as a purge, it is. Boehner knows that, and apparently is good with it.

2. Boehner and the Institutional Republicans cannot point to one instance where they have stood and fought against the Left. We can point to an embarrassing list where they have caved and/or actively collaborated in the last 2 years.

3. My town has two TEA Party groups [slight differences in emphasis, no hostility, lots of membership overlap] and a joint Preparedness Breakfast group. The consensus in all of them is that remaining in the Republican Party is pointless. Collectively, we have about 1/3 of the Republican County Central Committee and the precinct chairs. I made a presentation at the last Central Committee meeting, and noted that I was far more TEA Party than I was Republican. That was met with loud applause and cheering.

4. While it varies from state to state; in my state the Libertarians and the Paulians voted almost totally for Obama and Democrats over the issue of drug legalization. The Constitution Party here is a tool of the Institutional Republicans, who were used by them to defeat what was technically the duly nominated Republican candidate for governor who was TEA Party, and deliberately elect a Democrat instead. Here, they are not seen as viable options. YMMV in other states.

5. We are already beyond the point where there are electoral remedies for what is about to happen to our poor country. I direct the attention of all to Case No. 09-4615 in the US Third Circuit Court of Appeals. http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/rnc-v-dnc.pdf

It is now legally impossible for the Republican Party to contest Democrat election fraud anywhere in the country. Any other party is not so barred, but we do not have time to form one over the opposition of both the Democrats and Institutional Republicans acting in concert. We no longer have an election cycle worth of time to work with, let alone two or more.

6. It is beyond doubt that Boehner has in mind a “compromise” that gives Obama what he wants, and still leaves the Republicans taking all the public blame for the hard times to come.

7. I have not had time to make it to the County Courthouse to change my registration, because I have spent too much of the last few weeks helping family and friends move. I have decided to wait until after Boehner announces his surrender to the Left so I can be part of the inevitable wave of such changes, to reinforce the statement. I expect in the next couple of weeks at the latest.

As to what is going to happen to our poor country and people; I can only quote the master of the person I stole my Nom d’ Blog from: “Only the Great Blue Sky Tengri Nor knows what the outcome will be.”.

Subotai Bahadur on December 4, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM

It appears that a political career demands castration. Maybe this turn of events will foster more individual responsibility and different kinds of leaders.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

So let me get this straight: the GOP establishment just gave conservatives the finger and now conservatives are abandoning the party in droves, and you don’t think it’s odd that a supposed “conservative” like Rush doesn’t care and makes excuses for his buddy Boehner?

Rush’s is part of the GOP establishment. He’s the guy who rounds up all the conservatives and convinces them to vote for people like his friend Boehner and other vote rigging crooks.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:52 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:46 PM

rush doesnt spend as much time on an issue as you think he should and that makes him a RINO?? get your own microphone and talk about what you want as long as you want. if not, STFU

chasdal on December 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:46 PM

That’s fine, I don’t think Rush is as all powerful as you think.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM

BOEHNER MUST GO……..

Facilitator of Obama and all that the DOTUS wants to do.

Sure he TALKS all tough but then……..he can’t wait till that next tee time with the leader of the opposition.

Worst Republican sellout in my lifetime!!!!

PappyD61 on December 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM

The shelf life on this argument just expired.

HB3 on December 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I’m sorry..the truth doesn’t have a shelf life.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Stupidest quote of the DAY!!

This is right up there with George Berhard Shaw’s brilliant exercise in logic which concluded that the Earth “is flat”.

williamg on December 4, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Yes, you’ve bought into the establishment lie despite all real-world evidence to the contrary. Did you even read the article I linked?

Reagan didn’t raise taxes. The DEMOCRAT Congress did! Reagan had to make deals to get what he wanted, forced on him by DEMOCRATS!

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I would swear the president has veto power.

Read the article and directly address the content rather than making uninformed personal attacks and ridiculous arguments like the one I quoted.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 12:52 PM

See 12:53 PM. He is a counterweight to the MSM. Besides, what do you care, you are neither Republican nor conservative, aren’t you a libertarian? Don’t be so hostile, more people may be joining you.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM

The overall political IQ of this site has fallen markedly in the last 4 years. There were once commenters who made sense and didn’t spend half of a thread in pissin matches with dunces.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM

The GOP will represent fat cats before conservatives. We are considered 2nd tier Republicans at best.

idesign on December 4, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on December 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Well said.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Some may disagree, but I think John Boehner has a very good handle on what his caucus will accept in the budget negotiations and what it won’t. I think he has the support of his caucus and in return he will not make any agreements with Obama that force his members to break faith with their constituents.

J Baustian on December 4, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on December 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM

The election is over, there is nothing else to do.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Yes good old GW the worst President in the last hundred years far worst than Carter for his own Party. Or is it really his own Party I am beginning to wonder how infiltrated the GOP is. I mean Mitt Romney was on tape claiming to be a Democrat in 2002 yet he became the nominee. That is pure insanity.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM

I don’t think it’s ‘infiltration’. I think it’s a matter of mindset.

Take McCain, for example. I’m of the view his torture in the Hanoi Hilton really messed him up. If I were under torture and was finally released from it (assuming I survived) I would be the biggest anti-Communist hawk on the planet. But McCain is so liberal he needs to change parties. Not that there is mush difference between them any more.

There is no longer any difference, because mindsets have changed. That’s how we got to ‘keep’ Obama. It’s a far different America than the one in which I grew. And I really don’t like it.

My values are now weapons against me used by the Left to slander me at their whim and expedience.

We white men are torn to shreds for being honorable men, while black men who are called ‘dogs’ by black women are set on pedestals as symbols of what is ‘cool’.

Music today sucks. Cars, no matter the make or model, all look the same. We have been sold on mediocrity, common, and average. And we’re overcharged on the prices of it all!

We have twelve-year-old girls dressed by their parents to look like they’re ready to put out if the ‘right’ guy has a good snow job to tell her even if he’s thirty. Hell’s bells! We have groups out there already trying to claim there is nothing wrong with a sixty-year-old having sex with a boy or girl who is ten.

Something is very wrong with this fracking picture.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM

There are trolls all over HA today.

Time to do something else today.

farsighted on December 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Stupidest quote of the DAY!!

This is right up there with George Berhard Shaw’s brilliant exercise in logic which concluded that the Earth “is flat”.

williamg on December 4, 2012 at 12:35 PM

“True conservatives”, particularly ones in California didn’t like Reagan all that much until his second term. Even people like Gingrich were constantly running down Reagan, saying how incompetent he was particularly in foreign policy and his cold war strategy, etc.

Reagan never had much fondness for the “all or nothing, never compromise under any conditions” “true conservatives”, either.

crosspatch on December 4, 2012 at 1:03 PM

J Baustian on December 4, 2012 at 1:00 PM

The problem with that is that by this time next week we will have had Fiscal Cliff, End of the World stories 24/7 and will be as close to a nervous breakdown as the media can get us and we will accept anything they work out.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Schweikert defeated Rep. Ben Quayle in a contentious GOP primary and was not regarded as leadership’s first choice in that race. Schweikert’s tactics in the rough-and-tumble primary, according to several sources, rubbed leaders the wrong way.

Loved this. The GOP certainly doesn’t like the street fighters and would prefer to lose politely.

kim roy on December 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on December 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I have been debating this for some time, but it looks like it may be time to move on…

d1carter on December 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM

The election is over, there is nothing else to do.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:00 PM

They were doing it before and during the election season Mrs. M

Rio Linda Refugee on December 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I would swear the president has veto power.

Read the article and directly address the content rather than making uninformed personal attacks and ridiculous arguments like the one I quoted.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Yes, you make and quote rediculous arguments all the time.

As I said, which you ignored, is that Reagan had to make deals to get what he wanted. DUH!

Lemme guess–English isn’t your first language, reading was never an easy thing for you, and common reasoning escapes your abilities.

You are SO common among liberals you should be ashamed of yourself.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM

United we stand or

Divided we fall

Or I feel that conservatives will become extinct.

We are up against somthing far stronger than we are, the media, and then the RP as well and the dem machine…

When is it time to take a stand?

We have to have strength in numbers…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Thats pretty much my sentiment too.
This cycle, apparently too many felt otherwise. This increased our problems by magnitudes.
Too many of the arguments reside in a fantasy world of the past or a non existent future.
The past?

Romney..blah blah..McCain, blah blah, Dole, blah blah.
The past no longer exists.
The future?
Libertarian Utopia. That also is non existent.

We need to deal with the present. One time..not long ago, Nov 6 was the present. Too many people couldn’t deal with the reality of what was at stake and opted to marinade in the aforementioned fantasy worlds. And here we are, a couple notches deeper in the hole throwing stink-rags at each other.
Thats a winning strategy.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Is Rush a CONSERVATIVE first or a REPUBLICAN?

He is cozy with the Bush Family and has had Karl Rove on his show as host (Vomit). Maybe he’s just a game player like all the rest.

And you think DICK ARMEY isn’t all smiles today? He sucked $8 million of FREEDOM WORKS $$$$$. I knew that organization was just crap when ARMEY got on board. Everyone that donated to the group……and the “consultant” makes out like a bandit. #ggggggrrrrrrr

Cross Freedom Works off the list.

PappyD61 on December 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM

And that goes especially against the RINOs. Or should that be winos? Or whinos?

The GOP is useless and worthless. I wish they would all finally own up and merge with the Dems, so we Conservatives are left without hope of them and are forced to create a new Party that finally and truly speaks for us.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

I coined a name back before the 2010 elections and debuted it on HA.

The term is DICCs (pronounced Dic*s): Democrats In Conservative Clothing. I’ll still stand by it as the most appropriate term.

chemman on December 4, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Only one of your nominees over the past 20 years has won the presidential election.

Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush.

Yeah, you’re really arguing from a position of strength.

Dante

Only two of the democrat nominees have won….what’s your point? How many third party/libertarian candidates have won in the last 200 years?

Maybe Palin could loan these guys her pair.

FlaMurph

Whose going to loan her a pair first, seeing as how she lost hers around September 2011?

Agreed … many will “claim” that creating a third party will lead to chronic defeat at the polls. They are wrong.

If you Conservatives break off to found a new party – the GOP will die a quick death. You’ll be the second party.

At this point – it may be the only way to rid yourselves of these gutless GOP Ayatollahs.

HondaV6

Why would anyone take advice from an Obama supporter? On the bright side, at least you’ve stopped pretending to be a Conservative.

xblade on December 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

That’s fine, I don’t think Rush is as all powerful as you think.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM

He is with conservatives, and they need to realize that Rush has lead them down this failed path, culminating in Rush’s friend Boehner purging conservatives, and Rush doesn’t seem to care as much as other conservatives do. They’re leaving the party in droves and Rush doesn’t think it’s a big deal worth spending some time on.

I’m not saying conservatives should turn him off, I’m saying that they need to be aware that Rush isn’t a genuine “leader” of the conservative movement. He has money to make and friends like Boehner to keep and the conservative movement is his third priority, or lower.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on December 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Then they were the loyal opposition, now they are just gloating azzholes. Do you think they will be honest when they get in the wallet by their little tin god?

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

When I think of what politicians are doing to this country, and how that will affect my daughter’s life down the road, I am willing to suffer whatever it takes to make the changes needed. Last night I was actually wondering if I have harmed my daughter by teaching her conservative values. In the future I see now, she may actually become a target. Scary to think about. Impossible to allow without doing something to stop it.

Night Owl on December 4, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Could not agree more. My fifteen year old daughter is routinely chastised at school for her conservative leanings. She’s smart and tough, so pushes back as to why everyone is so enamored of The One, and all the little libs reply, “Obama’s cool,” and “He cares about the poor…”

I don’t see how we ever change this ship of state’s course without addressing the almost total ownership of education and the media by these lib puppets.

CaptFlood on December 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I coined a name back before the 2010 elections and debuted it on HA.

The term is DICCs (pronounced Dic*s): Democrats In Conservative Clothing. I’ll still stand by it as the most appropriate term.

chemman on December 4, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Accurate call. The only time liberals sound conservative is when they’re up for re-election. Arlen Specter was a master at it.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:11 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Everyone thinks the public is stupid. I guess considering the outcome of the election, there is some concrete evidence of that but those voters aren’t usually here and you know them if they are. Stop treating people like a bunch of mind numbed followers and accept that most of us did the best we could with what we were offered. Do we seem happy and complacent to you?

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Loved this. The GOP certainly doesn’t like the street fighters and would prefer to lose politely.

kim roy on December 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Or be pro-active and help liberals to get rid of “unwanted” conservatives. Allen West and Mia Love come to mind…

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Do you think they will be honest when they get in the wallet by their little tin god?

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

We have known all along what was coming. The liberals didn’t, so their shock is going to be legendary even in Hell.

I’m buying the popcorn for while we watch the liberal implosion once they realize their boy king knifed them in the back.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Accurate call. The only time liberals sound conservative is when they’re up for re-election. Arlen Specter was a master at it.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:11 PM

And McLaim isn’t?

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

xblade on December 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

RINO squish says what?

idesign on December 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Even when someone like Bush gets elected they do almost as much damage as the Democrats have done.

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 11:22 AM

I agree with that. But thats neither here nor there.
Everything.Has.Changed.
The regime in power now has little to do with anyones concept of “democrat”.
Obama is not a democrat like you neighbor or cousin may be a democrat. He is something else. Can you guess what that might be?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

And McLaim isn’t?

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

He’s not as good as was Specter. I might be wrong, but I think McLame wins by the pity vote. Or some misguided sense of ‘patriotism’, him being a former POW and all.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Rmember, after the dual Open Registrations, the influx of “Fascal Conservatives”, who told us that it was alright to be Liberal in everything, as long as you knew how to write and submit a budget?

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM

A lot of these guys were here just to help Romney get elected by crushing and depressing his opposition. The majority of them have vastly reduced their posting or just plain left with Romney defeated now. A few are still lingering (see the Allen West thread) but the majority are gone.

You might see some of them come back when the Jeb 2016 campaign starts to gear up.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

I’m buying the popcorn for while we watch the liberal implosion once they realize their boy king knifed them in the back.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:13 PM

All of a sudden they all do. Now that their accountants are calling them to make sure they dump all their holdings before Jan 1st and they begin to understand the magnitude of numbers they are petitioning WH for “exclusions” from new laws.

Katy Perry was a loud voice for the Azzhole 2 months ago, now she is the loudest voice screaming for “music artists need to be excluded from upcoming laws”. Hilarious. Stupid is as stupid does.

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

And…by he end of next week, the GOP House will give Obama about 95% of everything Obama wants…so they don’t get “blamed” for the oncoming fiasco, a fiasco they could have averted by standing their ground and not caved in to the sequestration garbage and all the rest of the Pelosi-Reid Dem shenanigans.

A whole lot of good and decent Americans are so turned off by politics right now, a whole lot are going Galt, a whole lot are looking to take care of their own as best they can, and let all the rest just, well, F themselves.

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Yes Boehner will give B.O. that much and more. He, along with McConnell did so for the past four years.

I can’t stand Boehner, nor his co-hort Eric Cantor who should have been brought up on ethic charges for using Republican House Money to support Lugar in Indiana. Evidently VA think that’s fine since they re-elected the snake. McConnell is another co-hort in the Senate.

I am furious at this!!!!

My family will be and have been doing what is necessary to take care of ourselves.

This will cause me to Register as Independent asap.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Stop treating people like a bunch of mind numbed followers…

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

So you want me to stop encouraging people to question authority?

I think that would be unwise because the people in authority are the problem.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Stop treating people like a bunch of mind numbed followers…

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Why?

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Everyone thinks the public is stupid. I guess considering the outcome of the election, there is some concrete evidence of that but those voters aren’t usually here and you know them if they are. Stop treating people like a bunch of mind numbed followers and accept that most of us did the best we could with what we were offered. Do we seem happy and complacent to you?

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

A lot of this “the voters are stupid” stuff is coming from Romney backers who went all in for him and have been discredited by his defeat. You heard the same kind of howling in 2004 from the Democrats when they were carrying on about how “Jesusland” elected Bush. The difference is that the Democrats remained steadfast in their opposition to Bush, embraced their base, found an attractive, “rising star” young candidate that could capture the imagination of the populace, and went on to win huge in 2008.

By way of contrast, the Republicans are busy conducting purges of the party base, joining forces with the Democrats to pass Obama’s agenda, and trying to set up Jeb 2016. This isn’t a recipe for success.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I agree with that. But thats neither here nor there.
Everything.Has.Changed.
The regime in power now has little to do with anyones concept of “democrat”.
Obama is not a democrat like you neighbor or cousin may be a democrat. He is something else. Can you guess what that might be?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Yes, President of the United States for the next four years. Republicans, eat your young

plewis on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Is Rush an authority or is his problem that he knows people in power? Wouldn’t his radio show be suspect if he didn’t appear to be on speaking terms with the party? We are so far from taxes being the issue that it isn’t even funny anymore. We use to have a real part in our government as the suppliers of revenue, if you haven’t noticed, we have been cut out. Now we are the payment makers, and all we can afford are the minimum amount due. Our arguments here are pretty much a joke.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Sorry, but the “vote for us or else” argument for the GOP is long been a total sham. The final nail in the coffin was this past election.

Just like Millard Fillmore was the last Whig presidential candidate before the Whig party fell apart, Willard Romney could be the last nominee for the GOP before the party sees a similar fate.

Norwegian on December 4, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Thats a strawman argument. No one is claiming “Vote for us or else”.

This election was unlike any other in history. If you can;t see this, you must be blind.

Again with the argument being lost in the non existent past.
Millard Fillmore?..Whigs??.. I understand what you’re trying to compare, and the concept is valid. It just doesn’t apply to the reality that we find ourselves in today.
The choice on Nov. 6 was this.

1. America.
2. Eastern Bloc/ Europe.

Which did you side with?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM

This isn’t a recipe for success.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I agree. I may not be important enough to be purged but I am definitely heading out the door.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM

plewis on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

No, we will be supporting the young and Obama will take credit.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:28 PM

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

I can’t wait for Obamacare to kick in. Hollywood leftists can afford it, so they’re not a matter. What I’m itching to hear is liberals at my income level saying, “I can’t afford this!” Or, “They stole from my tax rebate! I was fined for not having insurance!”

The only good thing I might say of Obama is that he shafted liberals, too. For the first time in US history, average liberals will have to pay out-of-pocket instead of just getting away with paying lip service to their ideals.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Fleuries on December 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Oh, the GOP hear us just fine. They just don’t listen; that’s the problem. It’s all about them, their greed and power. They like the status quo, their seats of power and the “bells ringing on their robes”

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM

We need to deal with the present.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Yes. Which is why the GOP is moribund. The core issue is simple: the Left is a clear and PRESENT danger. The GOP refuses to fight the Left. So the rationale of “unity” is unsupportable beyond a point of recognition that this unity lacks purpose has moral meaning equal to the too-widely understood threat. It simply loses its force, finally even its logic. That’s the point we’ve reached. Call it a critical mass of disillusion and dissolution.

We need to fight the Left. The GOP won’t fight the Left. An irreconcilable pair of truths. The GOP cannot survive the defections coming its way as a result. It learns to fight the Left or it ceases to be relevant, even to exist.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM

The same crowd used the same nut crunching tactics to install the fiscal cliff in the first place.

The government is running on autopilot, and the machine lost it’s directionals a long time ago.

These carrion eaters will band together and protect their own comfort zone

Hope Boehner enjoyed them 54 Xmas trees at the XHouse party. The Nutcracker is a big part of the Beltway XMas.

entagor on December 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Don’t forget that Cantor, the “oh so smart one”, knew about Benghazi/Petraeus and said nothing…until after the election.

To Hades with Boehner, McConnell and Cantor.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Just moved RedState.com in front of HotAir.

It is now the better blog. Hot Air is becoming the Establishment Blog unworthy of Conservatives.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

At some point you have to stop giving your neighbor, cousin or in-laws the benefit of the doubt as to their nature. If they are still voting for democrats at this juncture they know what they are voting for. They are equally complicit with the destruction of our Republic. And yes I have a couple of these types in my family. We don’t get along what-so-ever. I no longer give them the benefit of the doubt because they have been educated and still support the dims because the dims “care.” Their exact words.

chemman on December 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Love it!

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

You ae right about the “Romney supporters”. There was one, that I’m not allowed to mention (Ms. Cindy knows why.) that was here for a least a year before, laying the ground work. Now, he has pretty much vanished.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Is Rush an authority or is his problem that he knows people in power? Wouldn’t his radio show be suspect if he didn’t appear to be on speaking terms with the party? We are so far from taxes being the issue that it isn’t even funny anymore. We use to have a real part in our government as the suppliers of revenue, if you haven’t noticed, we have been cut out. Now we are the payment makers, and all we can afford are the minimum amount due. Our arguments here are pretty much a joke.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Outstanding post. Thank you Cindy.

ToddPA on December 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Apparently the idiots who fancy themselves to be geniuses have learned nothing from the last four years.

The public is on Odumbo’s side? Well then, don’t make any effort to change their minds, just go along with whatever Odumbo wants. I mean, Odumbo runs a 24-7-365 campaign, so let’s not campaign for our ideals or run any ads or anything. We’ll just run weaksauce campaigns every two years and cede all the time in between to the other side.

The other side uses nonsensical “war-on-women” demagoguery to further their agenda? Let’s have a Congress without a single female committee chair. Brilliant.

We don’t appeal to minorities? I know! Let’s re-district the most prominent black Republican Congressman right out of Congress. GENIUS!

F#$king morons. No wonder we’re so screwed. We have one side that’s destroying the country and the other side that’s too stupid and corrupt to stop them.

Walter Sobchak on December 4, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Even worse, how about those recently trained 15,000 IRS agents about to descend on the poorest of the poor for the Health Care Tax for the 6% who don’t have health insurance?

That’s going to leave a mark.

Turtle317 on December 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Now, he has pretty much vanished.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I remember. A nasty customer.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Revenue = taxes

All who use the term “revenue”, from the left to the right, go have your brains checked.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

It makes one wonder how many of those “Romney supporters” were actually Mobys, simply here to screw with Conservatives.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM

The fact that no one seems to realize that we are the government is pretty telling. We use to be the revenue, now borrowing and debt is the name of the game. It’s actually surprising that we have lasted this long.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Somewhere along the line we the people stopped being citizens and became subjects to a hierarchy of rulers.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM

A lot of this “the voters are stupid” stuff is coming from Romney backers who went all in for him and have been discredited by his defeat.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Totally!

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:45 PM

It’s time to stop just talking about it and start doing something. I am ready to leave the Republican Party, but just going independent isn’t going to do any good. In the headlines, I said I thought it would be great if the TEA Party would get Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Allen West and others to spend the next few years rallying the country, but it would be great if people like that were the head of a consolidated, actual TEA Party, working with Freedom Works, Club for Growth, Heritage Foundation and others.

Night Owl on December 4, 2012 at 10:24 AM

I’m planning on Registering as an Independent and plan on contacting Boehner to let him know why. This latest power grab by him is the main reason. It sends a message, that is my point. I can also call his office since I’m in Ohio. Also will touch base with my Republican County Party and Tea Party.

I like your idea about getting like minded Conservatives to rally also. Hopefully with many ideas being posted, we will all be able to come up with the best one.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Even worse, how about those recently trained 15,000 IRS agents about to descend on the poorest of the poor for the Health Care Tax for the 6% who don’t have health insurance?

That’s going to leave a mark.

Turtle317 on December 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Yes! And they likely voted for Obama. So let them pay, too, for once. The days of the liberal free ride, where liblets can spew without paying a penny, are over. They finally have to unlimber their wallets to the big government they all screamed for.

It was all so easy for them to call us racists and uncaring, heartless evil people who would starve our own children to serve some corporate master. All fake accusations on the part of liberals.

Liberals created this reality and, for the first time, they have to live in it. It’s about time, far as I’m concerned.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Aren’t Dante and FloatingRock Paulians? To that tribe, only they are ‘true conservatives’, and rest of the repubs are ‘neocons’. Lol. Rand Paul has inherited the worship of the tribe, I guess.

tommy71 on December 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Maybe, but that is what we as citizens were, and our representatives got reelected or kicked out based on how much of our income became revenue. Back in the days when the Constitution was used as a blueprint for what the revenue was spent on. Now we don’t stick to the law and we by-pass the people by borrowing. It has much to do with why we are treated as insignificant, because we are.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Totally!

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Yeah, because Ramirez was/is so…wait…totally in Mitt’s azz, or something.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

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