Conservative purge in the House Republican caucus?

posted at 9:41 am on December 4, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Has John Boehner decided to crack down on dissent within the House caucus?  Roll Call’s Jonathan Strong reports on a reshuffle of the committee-assignment deck that leaves a few conservatives without a hand in the coming fiscal-cliff fight:

Speaker John A. Boehner initiated today a small purge of rebellious Republicans — mostly conservatives — from prominent committees; it’s the latest instance of the Ohio Republican’s clamping down on his fractious conference.

The decisions were made by the GOP Steering Committee at a Monday meeting, which reviewed a spreadsheet listing each GOP lawmaker and how often he or she had voted with leadership, three sources said.

Reps. David Schweikert of Arizona and Walter Jones of North Carolina were booted from the Financial Services Committee. Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan and Tim Huelskamp of Kansas were removed from the Budget Committee.

According to a source, Schweikert was told that he was ousted in part because his “votes were not in lockstep with leadership.”

The correlation to dissent may not cover the reshuffle entire, Strong reports.  For instance, Schweikart’s problem might be less his votes and more in the way he campaigned against Ben Quayle:

Schweikert defeated Rep. Ben Quayle in a contentious GOP primary and was not regarded as leadership’s first choice in that race. Schweikert’s tactics in the rough-and-tumble primary, according to several sources, rubbed leaders the wrong way.

A GOP lobbyist emailed about the Schweikert situation, “Wow. Don’t F w Jeb.” The reference was apparently to incoming Financial Services Chairman Jeb Hensarling of Texas, the departing GOP Conference chairman.

When analyzing assignment changes, don’t entirely discount the personal over the political.  The fiscal cliff could be coincidental to this, as this is the normal time for reassessing committee assignments for the upcoming session of Congress.  These committee spots are given out for many reasons, and policy fealty is only one of them.  Anyone who has seen politics up close at any level learns quickly that the systems are set up to reward and punish based on the whims of those elected to leadership.

That’s why Nancy Pelosi was so eager to retain her leadership of the House Democratic Caucus.  It’s also why her decision prompted no rebellion among those whom she had either appointed or protected to get into leadership along with her.

However, the changes certainly appear to prepare Boehner to deliver on any agreement he makes with Harry Reid and Barack Obama.  That came up as an issue in the summer of 2011, when a back-bench revolt began to look likely as details of the “grand bargain” got leaked during the final days of the debt-limit crisis.  It signals that Boehner wants to have a carte blanche on negotiations this time around, and that his leadership appears ready to give it to him.


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We would have to survive without the Feds.

There are so many ‘details’ that would have to ironed out.

A new govt, well I am sure you get the picture… sigh.

What to do, what to do……….

Saying s-e-c-e-d-e is easy, actually DOING it? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM

The only thing I really need from a federal government is a good defense and a postal system. The rest, I can pretty much take care of myself.

trigon on December 4, 2012 at 10:59 AM

We’re never, ever, EVER going to fix our fiscal issues with these Republican liars. This country club mentality that’s existed between the two parties for the last century and a half breeds nothing but corruption. Conservatives need to form their own party and start making inroads to taking over the government no matter if it takes ten, twenty, fifty or two hundred years. It’s time for people who really care about this country to start playing the long game.

HiJack on December 4, 2012 at 11:00 AM

“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.”

Isn’t that what the nuns had us type in typing class back in the day?

I refer back to Thomas Paine:

THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

Of course, Paine was viewed as a fire-brand, a rabblerouser, and viewed by the establishment (Continental Congress) as something to be tolerated, for a while, and once the Revolution had secured our independence, the battle won, so to speak, Thomas Paine was cast aside, berated for his idealistic beliefs and his controversial stances when he was not ignored, effectively Palinized long before the family name Palin even reached our shores, and he died, penniless, and the voice of our own American Revolution was buried with but a half dozen mourners present, to include the parson and acolytes.

I leave you with this little missive from Edmund Burke:

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM

This GOP will never see another nickel or vote from me.

At least I wasn’t betrayed by the Dems. They never professed to be the voice of conservatives. Let the GOP burn in the hell of their self made irrelevance.

voiceofreason on December 4, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Follow-up for Scrumpy:

Check out the table in this link: link

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Thanks! Any good suggestions for reading material?

I am usually a good deducer of what is set before me…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:45 AM

That’s what you will really need if you want to return to the Constitutional rule.

Archivarix on December 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM

The destruction of the GOP continues …

Much to my giddy delight!

Enjoy Boehner you Conservative Slaves! You damn sure deserve him!!

HondaV65 on December 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM

When I think of what politicians are doing to this country, and how that will affect my daughter’s life down the road, I am willing to suffer whatever it takes to make the changes needed. Last night I was actually wondering if I have harmed my daughter by teaching her conservative values. In the future I see now, she may actually become a target. Scary to think about. Impossible to allow without doing something to stop it.

Night Owl on December 4, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Officially done with the GOP. The only thing they succeed at is failure. Not sure what options a fiscal conservative has in this country now besides emigrating.

ElectricPhase on December 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Maybe Palin could loan these guys her pair.

FlaMurph on December 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM

We’re never, ever, EVER going to fix our fiscal issues with these Republican liars. This country club mentality that’s existed between the two parties for the last century and a half breeds nothing but corruption. Conservatives need to form their own party and start making inroads to taking over the government no matter if it takes ten, twenty, fifty or two hundred years. It’s time for people who really care about this country to start playing the long game.

HiJack on December 4, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Agreed … many will “claim” that creating a third party will lead to chronic defeat at the polls. They are wrong.

If you Conservatives break off to found a new party – the GOP will die a quick death. You’ll be the second party.

At this point – it may be the only way to rid yourselves of these gutless GOP Ayatollahs.

HondaV65 on December 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Maybe Palin could loan these guys her pair.

FlaMurph on December 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I could think of a pair that Palin has which I wouldn’t mind borrowing, with Todd’s and my wife’s permission of course…

Archivarix on December 4, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I dont know what to believe but this seems plausible. They are the rethiglicans I guess liberals are right.

ldbgcoleman on December 4, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I would suggest people get to know their State government and representatives real well the next few months.

Work to get your State to pull its portion of gold and silver out of the federal system and hold it in your State.

Work to have your legislature understand that it can rescind permission for the federal government to use State lands. Also State eminent domain is available for use against the federal government on a more expedient basis…and a slick inversion of the normal state of affairs as well.

Back legislation to get your State on the intra-State removal of firearms from the federal system via State militia powers: the States have an Art. I, Sec. 10 responsibility to the safety of the State via the militia and further means in times of invasion or danger. Yeah, your State may be back-assward on other firearm laws, but they can at least get serious on removing federal power at the State level.

State defiance of regulations, impositions and other federal mandates by not following them by citing cost, lack of State representation, lack of citizen representation and thorough lack of accountability by federal agencies also gives a strong stand against external regulation and infringement on State power.

Draw the playing field down closer to home, change the character and actual rules of the game as they have been played and still stick to the Constitution. Getting the long list of abuses together will take time, just as legislation will, but they are vital in pointing out the direct impact of federal over-reach and how unaccountable it is in ways that cannot be ignored because of the volume of lawsuits it will generate. You can’t do that with compliant State governments…changing the venue of the game may be the only way to do this and start revamping the political structure closer to home, first, and then see what that does to the Nation as a whole.

And instead of conservatives, see if you can find some people just willing to slow-roll the system at the House level: someone who wants every unanimous consent request to get an actual vote, someone who wants everything read physically into the record, someone who will require every ‘i’ to be dotted and every ‘t’ to be crossed in long form for everything… even legislation they LIKE. And that includes the federal budget. Perfectly legal, perfectly legit, goes by all set rules and orders, and yet stops spending dead in its tracks… and makes bills leaner, smaller and faster to read out…because the other kind will go nowhere.

Yeah, there are answers to this, just not the usual ones. The GOP elite should have learned to play ball. Instead they want to play games. If it is games they want, then lets do give them a different sort of game. A game they haven’t played in so long they have forgotten it exists. The local game that screws up the National game so that the National game falls apart. Mind you that is a decade or more of work, but once the ball gets rolling the fun will never end.

ajacksonian on December 4, 2012 at 11:11 AM

If as is suggested, the TP really is only about itself and money, then it’s time perhaps to take a serious look at Libertarians…

What have we got to lose eh?

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:15 AM

And if not?
I’m not understanding what you’re getting at with the claim that the tp is all about self and money…..isn’t that what the progs are smearing everyone who isn’t one of them with..self centered, greedy and cold?

If the implication is that libertarians are more unified than the repubs…I doubt it. The problem with the publics perception of the likely arguments between the different flavors of libertarian and the differences between repubs is the arguments the (liberal)tarians would likely have, would make them look like the second cousins to the OWS’ers…”Free the pot..free the hors..what do I need a license for!”
Would this be an accurate image of libertarians?..no. But what does that have to do with anything? Think the msm presents an accurate image of conservatives?
Lets stop loading their guns for them.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Romney, Boehner and McConnell – What a team! /sarc

Betting on GOP establishment losers, and look where that has gotten us in the past year. Complete and utter disaster.

Never again. Time for a 3rd party.

Norwegian on December 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Archivarix on December 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM

I would need to have somthing smaller! I couldn’t handle a weapon that size!!
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.
.
Thanks for all the links, got some reading to do!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Never again. Time for a 3rd party.

Norwegian on December 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I’m sure that’ll work at least as well as Perot or Nader..or Johnson..or Ron Paul.

Oh Look!..president Hillary is ‘cankel-shuffeling’ up to the podium…shhh..lets listen!”

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I’m sure that’ll work at least as well as Perot or Nader..or Johnson..or Ron Paul.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Or Romney, or McCain, or Dole, or ‘compassionate conservative’ Bush.

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I’m sure that’ll work at least as well as Perot or Nader..or Johnson..or Ron Paul.

Oh Look!..president Hillary is ‘cankel-shuffeling’ up to the podium…shhh..lets listen!”

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I’m terribly sorry.

The shelf life on this argument just expired.

HB3 on December 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Indeed.

Well played.

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Someone else made that claim I was questioning it…

As for solutions to what ails the repubs, I am searching for that.

United we stand or

Divided we fall

Or I feel that conservatives will become extinct.

We are up against somthing far stronger than we are, the media, and then the RP as well and the dem machine…

When is it time to take a stand?

We have to have strength in numbers…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Boehner is playing with fire here. Many of us are disgusted with his “leadership” which is as attractive as morbidly obese Republicans slobbering over the rat-eared wonder for essentially showing up for a photo-op.

He may be able to cow the conservatives in Congress but many of us will be watching to see just how much the bastard caves to Dem demands.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM

These are the Republicans who were going to force Romney to be a Conservative President if he had won?

Bwaa haa haaa!!!

portlandon on December 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Indeed.

Well played.

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Even when someone like Bush gets elected they do almost as much damage as the Democrats have done.

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Not sure what options a fiscal conservative has in this country now besides emigrating.

ElectricPhase on December 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM

To where?

What will be interesting is that in next 10-20 years, conservative/liberal attitudes toward Europe are likely to reverse. As European socialism continues to fall apart because it simply cannot be paid for, most of European countries are going to become more conservative – they will likely deregulate, cut spending, reform entitlements, lower taxes, re-privatize health care, etc.

So, we will start pointing to Europe as the way to go here the way the left does now.

Monkeytoe on December 4, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Sorry, but the “vote for us or else” argument for the GOP is long been a total sham. The final nail in the coffin was this past election.

Just like Millard Fillmore was the last Whig presidential candidate before the Whig party fell apart, Willard Romney could be the last nominee for the GOP before the party sees a similar fate.

Norwegian on December 4, 2012 at 11:24 AM

It signals that Boehner wants to have a carte blanche on negotiations this time around,

What negotiations? I’ve seen no evidence there are “negotiations”, much less “good faith negotiations”.

If Dear Leader backs away from his demands we can start to talk about “negotiations”. Until then all we have are dictatorial demands for unconditional surrender and a financial “enabling act”, and a blatant attempt to destroy the GOP from without and within.

farsighted on December 4, 2012 at 11:24 AM

The Republicans need a Speaker of the House who understands his roll in the whole scheme of things. He needs to understand he is a powerful man, in the 3rd leg of government, the 3rd in line to the Presidency, and the originator of all spending.

I believe the Republicans need a new Speaker, one who will stand up to Reid and Obama and sell the Republican Plan. John Boehner is not that man. Neither is Mitch McConnell the guy in the Senate to have as a general in this war. It’s going to be difficult to win, especially when you have to fight the press and the Democrats at the same time. Boehner is just not up to it.

bflat879 on December 4, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Conservatives of today, especially, politicians are like the dems. They like to hear themselves babble rather than get things done. There idiotic statement ruin us every election.

I would consider myself a conservative, but conservative leaders lack the tact necessary to lead.

tomas on December 4, 2012 at 11:27 AM

FlaMurph on December 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Naturally I’d say maybe she should. But we all know they can’t carry ‘em.

HerneTheHunter on December 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM

I’m sure that’ll work at least as well as Perot or Nader..or Johnson..or Ron Paul.

Oh Look!..president Hillary is ‘cankel-shuffeling’ up to the podium…shhh..lets listen!”

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Only one of your nominees over the past 20 years has won the presidential election.

Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush.

Yeah, you’re really arguing from a position of strength.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM

I would suggest people get to know their State government and representatives real well the next few months.

Work to get your State to pull its portion of gold and silver out of the federal system and hold it in your State.

Work to have your legislature understand that it can rescind permission for the federal government to use State lands. Also State eminent domain is available for use against the federal government on a more expedient basis…and a slick inversion of the normal state of affairs as well.

Back legislation to get your State on the intra-State removal of firearms from the federal system via State militia powers: the States have an Art. I, Sec. 10 responsibility to the safety of the State via the militia and further means in times of invasion or danger. Yeah, your State may be back-assward on other firearm laws, but they can at least get serious on removing federal power at the State level.

State defiance of regulations, impositions and other federal mandates by not following them by citing cost, lack of State representation, lack of citizen representation and thorough lack of accountability by federal agencies also gives a strong stand against external regulation and infringement on State power.

Draw the playing field down closer to home, change the character and actual rules of the game as they have been played and still stick to the Constitution. Getting the long list of abuses together will take time, just as legislation will, but they are vital in pointing out the direct impact of federal over-reach and how unaccountable it is in ways that cannot be ignored because of the volume of lawsuits it will generate. You can’t do that with compliant State governments…changing the venue of the game may be the only way to do this and start revamping the political structure closer to home, first, and then see what that does to the Nation as a whole.

And instead of conservatives, see if you can find some people just willing to slow-roll the system at the House level: someone who wants every unanimous consent request to get an actual vote, someone who wants everything read physically into the record, someone who will require every ‘i’ to be dotted and every ‘t’ to be crossed in long form for everything… even legislation they LIKE. And that includes the federal budget. Perfectly legal, perfectly legit, goes by all set rules and orders, and yet stops spending dead in its tracks… and makes bills leaner, smaller and faster to read out…because the other kind will go nowhere.

ajacksonian on December 4, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Excellent ideas an suggestions.

Not going to happen.

Many people couldn’t find the need to get off their asses to vote. What are the chances that enough people will consistently ride herd over local and state zombies to make them change their behavior?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Don’t try to sell unity when our generals are carrying a towel in one hand, a white flag in the other, and have a yellow stripe down the back of their uniforms.

We’re outnumbered, outgunned, outmaneuvered, and out of luck.

See y’all–I’ll be over in the corner screaming “game over” with Private Hudson.

ElectricPhase on December 4, 2012 at 11:30 AM

portlandon on December 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Ha! What, you weren’t in on the joke?

HerneTheHunter on December 4, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I would consider myself a conservative, but conservative leaders lack the tact necessary to lead.

tomas on December 4, 2012 at 11:27 AM

You don’t think they are being sensitive enough?

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 11:31 AM

No…they just don’t know when to shut up…you know what I mean. We have to be perfect these days and any dumb statement is used against all of us.

tomas on December 4, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Yeah, you’re really arguing from a position of strength.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM

That makes no sense.

That said..none of your line have ever won.

Yeah…you’re arguing from a position of strength.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:30 AM

At the local level is exactly where is starts…

Plenty…

Some of us work behind the scenes to try to influence local pols… Are you?

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

When will you all finally believe that DC, the Dems, the GOP, is all kabuki, distracting you from the real progressive takeover which has already taken place?
2012 elections were a fraud and with electronic vote stealers no one is free anymore? Or will you all continue to have hope in these bozos, sodomizers, pedophiles, adulterers, sex-crazed power hungry freaks, and yes, that includes a lot of the GOP too. Sigh.
Or will you just ridicule and shame me into submission like a good Alinskyite? WAKE UP AMERICA. It may already be too late.

quiz1 on December 4, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I usually like what Ed has to say, but I strongly object to this headline with its false and mischief making “conservative purge” notion. Congressman Walter Jones is a crank whose voting record is drifting leftward. I would also consider Amash and Schweikert’s voting record as more weird than conservative. It’s a terrible idea to whip up internal debate in the GOP over something that needed to be done given the loss of seats in the House in the last election.

Be better than this Ed!

thuja on December 4, 2012 at 11:37 AM

No…they just don’t know when to shut up…you know what I mean. We have to be perfect these days and any dumb statement is used against all of us.

tomas on December 4, 2012 at 11:34 AM

I’m not sure thats true in any but the extreme cases.. Akin etc.

The problem is the media. The dems say the most vile crap and it is immediately thrown down the memory hole.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:37 AM

We have to be perfect these days and any dumb statement is used against all of us.

tomas on December 4, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Perfect politicians?

No one is perfect and no group of people ever can be. Maybe we need to be more insensitive, a little rougher, and more truthful instead.

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 11:37 AM

I can walk into a crowd of people and not say something stupid. It is their responsibility to think on their feet. If you ain’t sure…shut up.

tomas on December 4, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I hope Boehner gets purged.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Some of us work behind the scenes to try to influence local pols… Are you?

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Yes..and in my interaction with the people I meet.

Dealing with pols is not unlike dealing with teenagers at times. They may sit and listen to you, and you think you’re getting thru…but they live in another world. As soon as they are back with their peer group..it’s business as usual.

Have you had any verifiable success in changing a pols position?
Most politicians seem to be just acting for the most part. Thats why they can act and talk one way for years..but when the election cycle starts, suddenly they are just like you..and they Feel your pain. Then once they are reelected…they couldn’t care less about your needs or problems or how much of the taxpayers money they spend.
Most of them cannot be trusted to actually change anything. They have to be replaced with other, well vetted people.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM

I do think I will change my voter registration to unaffiliated. It’s a relatively harmless message and cuts down on my junk mail.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The only thing I really need from a federal government is a good defense and a postal system. The rest, I can pretty much take care of myself.

trigon on December 4, 2012 at 10:59 AM

really?

astonerii on December 4, 2012 at 11:46 AM

According to a source, Schweikert was told that he was ousted in part because his “votes were not in lockstep with leadership.”

Oh, so Boehner is the only congressman Republicans really need, coast to coast.

Akzed on December 4, 2012 at 11:46 AM

That said..none of your line have ever won.

Yeah…you’re arguing from a position of strength.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:34 AM

With the GOP collapsing, his group certainly does have a good chance at developing some electoral success as former Republican voters start experimenting with third parties.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Maybe Palin could loan these guys her pair.

FlaMurph on December 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Sorry, you’re stuck with eunuchs.

The sickness and blindness of the GOP is, I’m afraid, beyond hope or cure. Ruin must come. These people are so far gone they’re preparing to appease the Great Beast (whose Narrative of winners and losers in this “negotiation” was foreordained) rather than even consider challenging the Beast or the Narrative. It’s now an immutable fact of physics that the mass and momentum of their institutionalized fear has gained a speed and force beyond any possible opposing decelerating force. It’s over.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I do think I will change my voter registration to unaffiliated. It’s a relatively harmless message and cuts down on my junk mail.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I am registered Indy because the r’s are not R enough for me on fiscal issues, believe me – your mail will triple by changing affiliations.

VegasRick on December 4, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Alan West, Sarah Palin, Mark Steyn…these are the people we need to rally behind. I am. These silk suited rino, ‘conservatives’ are worse than the dems. Smiling in our face while plunging the knives into our children’s back. Allowing this murderous regime to throw our good men and women to their deaths without a peep of protest. Time for good people to stand up and get counted. Or hide behind your big screen tv and the escalade and wait for the obama plantation hounds to root you out… Cowards, lazy cowards.

frizzbee on December 4, 2012 at 11:50 AM

I hope Boehner gets purged.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Huge disappointment. How much better off would we be if they would not have caved on the first raising of the budget ceiling? They basically gave the dems what they wanted, but came out from behind the doors tired and sweaty..saying “Well…we beat them up as much as we could..and I think we got a good deal and some promises”..while the dems stroll out behind them looking fresh as the morning dew..sipping a soda, listening to their Ipods and chuckling.

aaaaand..they are going to do it again.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:51 AM

In response, conservatives should set up a caucus that refuses to vote for Boehner for Speaker. If they get enough members, the GOP would have to put someone else up.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Only one of your nominees over the past 20 years has won the presidential election.

Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush.

Yeah, you’re really arguing from a position of strength.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Actually, you are playing loose with the numbers.

I get the 20 years, but since you noted both Bushes, isn’t it more appropriate to say the last 24 years, which means Republican Presidents presided over 12 years, or half?

Not a bad record for a Republic.

‘Course if you include Reagan, now you are looking at 32 years total, and Republican Presidents 20 out of 32 years.

Tenwheeler on December 4, 2012 at 11:53 AM

I do think I will change my voter registration to unaffiliated. It’s a relatively harmless message and cuts down on my junk mail.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I am registered Indy because the r’s are not R enough for me on fiscal issues, believe me – your mail will triple by changing affiliations.

VegasRick on December 4, 2012 at 11:50 AM

For sure. My wife is registered indy and she gets way more political mail than I do. (Even though she’s more likely to stick with the GOP candidates than I am if they go RINO.)

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 11:53 AM

It’s now an immutable fact of physics that the mass and momentum of their institutionalized fear has gained a speed and force beyond any possible opposing decelerating force. It’s over.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I think you are correct. It’s very sad. I am an optimist and a fighter and I still don’t see how we can win this back. 51% of Americans are stupid.

VegasRick on December 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM

‘Course if you include Reagan, now you are looking at 32 years total, and Republican Presidents 20 out of 32 years.

Tenwheeler on December 4, 2012 at 11:53 AM

If you look at the last 20 years, there is a 0/20 record for conservatives. Over the last 32 years – 8/32.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM

With the GOP collapsing, his group certainly does have a good chance at developing some electoral success as former Republican voters start experimenting with third parties.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Relative to what?
There is no time for decades long experimenting.
Had Romney won, I would agree with you. But unfortunately, the Republic has been lost, in part by people who voted 3rd or just sat it out.
As Dennis Miller stated, “This last election was the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country…..and didn’t”.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Actually, you are playing loose with the numbers.

I get the 20 years, but since you noted both Bushes, isn’t it more appropriate to say the last 24 years, which means Republican Presidents presided over 12 years, or half?

Not a bad record for a Republic.

‘Course if you include Reagan, now you are looking at 32 years total, and Republican Presidents 20 out of 32 years.

Tenwheeler on December 4, 2012 at 11:53 AM

It’s neither more nor less appropriate. I wasn’t looking at the totality of years presided; only the result of elections. Over the past 20 years, only one Republican candidate out of five has won.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:57 AM

VegasRick on December 4, 2012 at 11:50 AM

I’ve bored people with this story before but I am usually register as unaffiliated until the RNSC decided to endorse Crist over Rubio before the state primaries. These people will do everything they can to make our choices for us. I can say I’m not the brightest bulb in the box but no politician should ever imply it with word or deed.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 11:58 AM

If you look at the last 20 years, there is a 0/20 record for conservatives. Over the last 32 years – 8/32.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Reagan was no conservative; taxes increased, he grew government, he increased spending.

They Myth of Reaganomics

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:58 AM

If you look at the last 20 years, there is a 0/20 record for conservatives. Over the last 32 years – 8/32.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM

The basket-weaver listed all Republican presidential contenders that ran in the general, not just Conservatives. Probably ought to re-read the thread.

Tenwheeler on December 4, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I don’t understand the loyalty to the Republican Party, they aren’t even the opposition.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Had Romney won, I would agree with you. But unfortunately, the Republic has been lost, in part by people who voted 3rd or just sat it out.
As Dennis Miller stated, “This last election was the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country…..and didn’t”.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Wasn’t John Boehner the guy who was going to force that Romney fellow to stay on the conservative straight and narrow?

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

HiJack, great nom.

tomas, get over yourself. I said it often, charlatanic thugs can not be fought with silky gloves (see Romney).

Decency is dead in AmeriKa. Obama killed it, Chicago style.

It will never be time for niceties ever again.

If you want to win, you must fight better and tougher than they do. Otherwise, enjoy the thuggery and the demise, the entire circus.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I don’t understand the loyalty to the Republican Party, they aren’t even the opposition.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

They are your enemies. You must recognize who the enemy is bef. you fight. Then you must destroy them, at all cost.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

There is no time for decades long experimenting.
Had Romney won, I would agree with you. But unfortunately, the Republic has been lost, in part by people who voted 3rd or just sat it out.
As Dennis Miller stated, “This last election was the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country…..and didn’t”.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 11:56 AM

No, probably not. It really depends on whether the current governing system is able to hold together when the economy collapses. Might as well get started working on alternatives now rather than continuing to lose elections with the moribund GOP.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Yes, yes, the myth. Spending cuts promised and never produced. That’s why it is stupid to think that the current Republicans will get any either.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

In response, conservatives should set up a caucus that refuses to vote for Boehner for Speaker. If they get enough members, the GOP would have to put someone else up.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 11:52 AM

The Establishment will vote for Pelosi in that instance.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Circling the wagons is one thing, remembering elitism lost, is quite another.

The real Conservative message didn’t, Romney ran as somewhat conservative but no one was fooled.

Expect Conservatives to remember how they were marginalized in this last election.

Speakup on December 4, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Hah, hah, hah, good on you, Sir.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:03 PM

All of you squishes, go nominate Ann Coulter and follow her over your ideal RINO cliff.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:04 PM

If this is what it seems and weeping John caves for us all then the republican party is dead.

TerryW on December 4, 2012 at 12:06 PM

It’s neither more nor less appropriate. I wasn’t looking at the totality of years presided; only the result of elections. Over the past 20 years, only one Republican candidate out of five has won.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:57 AM

You miss the point.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:07 PM

It’s neither more nor less appropriate. I wasn’t looking at the totality of years presided; only the result of elections. Over the past 20 years, only one Republican candidate out of five has won.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:57 AM

You’re such a liberal douche, your favorite drink has to be a shot of Massengil with a vinegar-and-water chaser.

Screw history, which is done and can ‘prove’ anything depending on how the included facts are twisted, while excluding others.

Tell us about the magic of the here and now, of today. Tell me why you think I’m somehow better off than I was under Reagan. Tell me why I was earning 9% on a CD in 1986 when today I can’t get 2% return.

Tell us all why and how, Dante! Screw history. Enlighten us all with your liberal wisdom and certainty!

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Something tells me as disgusted as I am with national politics, this is whole lot of nothing. Seems there were some internal squables that didn’t go well for the three who lost their assignments.

Bigger story (in the same vein) is Armey leaving FreedomWorks.

Tater Salad on December 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM

The Establishment will vote for Pelosi in that instance.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Let them

astonerii on December 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Yes, yes, the myth. Spending cuts promised and never produced. That’s why it is stupid to think that the current Republicans will get any either.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

At least back then there wasn’t a long history of the ol’ bait and switch. Today’s Republicans know what is going to happen, but just don’t care. In fact, they are complicit in the bait in switch – trying to sell this pap to their constituents.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:12 PM

The Establishment will vote for Pelosi in that instance.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Let them

astonerii on December 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Would certainly make it easier to let it burn.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Wasn’t John Boehner the guy who was going to force that Romney fellow to stay on the conservative straight and narrow?

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

When was this?

I see the situation we’re in more basically. During the election cycle, I wasn’t concerned with definitions or records of conservative “purity”.
Once the nominee was decided the choice was this:

A. Communist values.

B. American values.

Who’s side are you on. There was nothing nuanced about it.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I am so fed up with liberals today I can barely contain my fury against them.

And that goes especially against the RINOs. Or should that be winos? Or whinos?

The GOP is useless and worthless. I wish they would all finally own up and merge with the Dems, so we Conservatives are left without hope of them and are forced to create a new Party that finally and truly speaks for us.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

This GOP will never see another nickel or vote from me.

At least I wasn’t betrayed by the Dems. They never professed to be the voice of conservatives. Let the GOP burn in the hell of their self made irrelevance.

voiceofreason on December 4, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Indeed.

Time to create a valid third Party and bolt the rotten corpse that is the current GOP. We are a large majority of the party but get no respect what so ever. They even kidnap us and vote illegally their rules in our convention. Time the GOP go the way of the Whig Party.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Reagan was no conservative; taxes increased, he grew government, he increased spending.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Irrespective of whether or not you agree that he was a conservative, he won. And he won by espousing, proposing, and defending free market solutions and principles. Every GOP candidate who has won has done so (including HW in ’88) and every GOP candidate who has not done so (including HW in ’92) has not.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:18 PM

If you want to win, you must fight better and tougher than they do. Otherwise, enjoy the thuggery and the demise, the entire circus.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I agree.
The hard part is going to be changing the standard Pavlovian reaction.
It seems that all the dems have to do is call anyone who challenges their direction, some emotionally charged name. Bigot!..Racist! etc, and most repubs go limp.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:19 PM

This GOP will never see another nickel or vote from me.

At least I wasn’t betrayed by the Dems. They never professed to be the voice of conservatives. Let the GOP burn in the hell of their self made irrelevance.

voiceofreason on December 4, 2012 at 11:02 AM

I got your back there, too.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Those of you who are considering moving to a third party which is actually conservative might take a look at the Conservative Party USA http://conservativepartyusa.org.

psrch on December 4, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Let them

astonerii on December 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Makes it easier to know who to third-party (we’re well past primarying).

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM

We tried to warn the FakeCon™ folks about Boehner.

But us TrueCons were called kooks.

SparkPlug on December 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM

No, probably not. It really depends on whether the current governing system is able to hold together when the economy collapses. Might as well get started working on alternatives now rather than continuing to lose elections with the moribund GOP.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

If the economy collapses….what elections?
Think people are easy to manipulate now? Just wait until they need the government.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM

B. American values.

Who’s side are you on. There was nothing nuanced about it.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Romneycare, assault weapons ban, carbon caps, shutting down coal plants, free wheels for welfare bums, protecting entitlements, TARP, ethanol subsidies, corporate auto bailouts, the TSA, mandates.

American values?

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Wasn’t John Boehner the guy who was going to force that Romney fellow to stay on the conservative straight and narrow?

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

When was this?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:15 PM

This is the argument that we were given during the primary that Romney would implement free market policy if elected, despite his statist record. We were told, “what is Romney going to do? Veto the bill to [insert conservative agenda item here, such as repeal Obamacare]?” And since he was clearly the only electable candidate (?!), we all had to get behind him!

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:22 PM

It seems that all the dems have to do is call anyone who challenges their direction, some emotionally charged name. Bigot!..Racist! etc, and most repubs go limp.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Indeed. If they’d call me anything, I’d immediately tell them that to expect this little of the first half black president is the ultimate insult and form of racism. I’d be insulted as a minority to be represented by this inept arrogant narcissistic destructive ‘prince’.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Didn’t it take us ten years to convince them that we were on to them when they called a decline in the rate of increase spending a “cut”. I think this is what angers me the most, they think we are stupid.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I agree with Schad about Coulter.

SparkPlug on December 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Romneycare, assault weapons ban, carbon caps, shutting down coal plants, free wheels for welfare bums, protecting entitlements, TARP, ethanol subsidies, corporate auto bailouts, the TSA, mandates.

American values?

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Missed the point.
I stated the situation ..from my perspective..was not nuanced at all.

All that on your list are easily arguable, but pointless to do so.

It might be easier to do this.
Make up a comparable list of the worse actions of communist policies.
Then compare the two.

Which side you on?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM

And that goes especially against the RINOs. Or should that be winos? Or whinos?

The GOP is useless and worthless. I wish they would all finally own up and merge with the Dems, so we Conservatives are left without hope of them and are forced to create a new Party that finally and truly speaks for us.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Call them what they are. Democrat spies that deserve to be forced out of the party and back to their own party.

The leadership now seems to take orders from Obama. We have a one party communist dictatorship we just do not realize it. When those Democrats joined our party a decade or two ago it was to infiltrate and destroy the GOP and they have completed their mission.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 12:26 PM

It might be easier to do this.
Make up a comparable list of the worse actions of communist policies.
Then compare the two.

Which side you on?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Which is why I ultimately voted for Romney against Obama. But didn’t know I was going to do it until I actually did it.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I am so fed up with liberals today I can barely contain my fury against them.

And that goes especially against the RINOs. Or should that be winos? Or whinos?

The GOP is useless and worthless. I wish they would all finally own up and merge with the Dems, so we Conservatives are left without hope of them and are forced to create a new Party that finally and truly speaks for us.

Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

SparkPlug on December 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

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