Bipartisan govs to WH: Don’t stick the states with the fiscal-cliff costs

posted at 5:11 pm on December 4, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

A bipartisan group of governors — including Republicans Mary Fallin (Oklahoma), Scott Walker (Wisconsin), Gary Herbert (Utah), and Democrats Mike Beebe (Arkansas), Jack Markell (Delaware), and Mark Dayton (Minnesota) — traveled to Washington today to meet with President Obama and members of Congress (separately, heh) in an effort to ensure that state concerns’ aren’t being ignored as we edge closer to the fiscal cliff.

A half-dozen governors emerged from meeting with President Obama on Tuesday to publicly urge him and Congress to resolve the pending fiscal crisis as soon as possible because the uncertainty, as one put it, “is creating havoc.”

“You’ve got to come together and get this done,” said Gov. Gary Herbert of Utah, a Republican. “This impacts the economy.” …

For many of the governors, time is of the essence because they are busy putting together their own state budget proposals now for unveiling in January or February. Without knowing how the federal government will act, they could veer between surplus and deficit in short order. “We have decisions that we have to make,” said Gov. Mary Fallin of Oklahoma, a Republican and the association’s vice chairman.

The governors have got to keep their own budgets in line, and it’s a task that’s made infinitely more difficult with the federal government playing tug-of-war. With it looking increasingly plausible that Democrats are ready and willing to take us over the financial edge, they’re looking for some assurance that their own state finances aren’t going to get bowled over.

If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a dozen times: This administration seems to have an aptitude for inducing uncertainty not quite like any other. It’s not so much that the states (or the Pentagon, or entitlement programs, or specific subsidies, or what have you) don’t deserve cuts — our federal budget is calamitously bloated, and we have got to make cuts both plentiful and ferocious in all areas, and turn a lot of what the federal government now undertakes back over to the more efficient private sector. The real problem is that the way the federal government is currently going about it (to the relatively tiny extent that they are at all, ugh) means that many entities’ fiscal fates are hanging in the immediate balance, and they’re going to have to deal with whatever the new conditions might be on the fly. Uncertainty like this has a draining economic impact, it’s going to take its toll — the same way it has throughout the first four years of the Obama presidency. So much always just has to be last-minute, still-unwritten, to-be-determined with this White House; as Peggy Noonan noted the other day, it’s just the Obama way:

The election is over, a new era begins—and it looks just like the old one. A crisis is declared. Confusion, frustration, and a more embittered process follow. This is . . . the Obama Way. Nothing has changed, even after a yearlong campaign that must, at times, have looked to him like a near-death experience. He still doesn’t want to forestall jittery, gloom-laden headlines and make an early deal with the other guy. He wants to beat the other guy.

You watch and wonder: Why does it always have to be cliffs with this president? Why is it always a high-stakes battle? Why doesn’t he shrewdly re-enact Ronald Reagan, meeting, arguing and negotiating in good faith with Speaker Tip O’Neill, who respected very little of what the president stood for and yet, at the end of the day and with the country in mind, could shake hands and get it done? Why is there never a sense with Mr. Obama that he understands the other guys’ real position?


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We deserve the dysfunction we elect.

NotCoach on December 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Erika, you might want to add to your list of the rest of goons King Obama met with today.

Obama Meets With MSNBC Bootlickers Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Lawrence O’Donnell, Al Sharpton To Help Him Push Fiscal Cliff Plans…

Those people are much more important than our elected officials, don’t you think?//////

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Why is there never a sense with Mr. Obama that he understands the other guys’ real position?

He simply refuses to acknowledge that they have a legitimate position at all. They don’t have any good ideas in his view, so anything must be dismissed out of hand or else he would be legitimizing it.

JeffWeimer on December 4, 2012 at 5:20 PM

This administration seems to have an aptitude for inducing uncertainty not quite like any other.

Authoritarian regimes like to keep the populace in a state of uncertainty. It’s easier to control them.

rbj on December 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM

The majority of Americans voted for dysfunction. Let it burn. Have these governors scramble to make state payrolls in the wake of the federal meltdown. By-and-large, states run by Republican governors are in a good position. States of the left- not so much.

Put in the most simplest terms. I want that Obamaphone woman out there selling her phone because she hasn’t had any other form of federal welfare for a couple months. Jay Carney called a reasonable approach to avoiding the fiscal cliff “magic beans and fairy dust.” Time to walk away and let the parasites, moochers, and takers literally starve for a while.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Why does it always have to be cliffs with this president? Why is it always a high-stakes battle?

Because what agitators know how to do is agitate?

KW64 on December 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM

This Marxist joker is hopeless . . . let it crumble to the ground then we’ll sort through the rubble and try to rebuild this once great Republic. This country is totally and irrevocably divided and there is no hope of reconciliation. The “United States” of America is no more.

rplat on December 4, 2012 at 5:25 PM

The fact that governors are being held hostage by the feral government is proof that our system has been perverted beyond redemption.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 4, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Authoritarian regimes like to keep the populace in a state of uncertainty. It’s easier to control them.

rbj on December 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Indeed. A state of fear, dividing one group (real or imagined) against the next.

Because what agitators know how to do is agitate?

KW64 on December 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Yes. Our president is a Community Agitator from the South Side of Chicago, one of the most corrupt, depressed, segregated and violent places in North America.

This is the same guy who admitted in this own autobiography that working in the private sector was akin to being “behind enemy lines.”

visions on December 4, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Uh … Not for nuthin, but what’s the difference? States don’t pay for anything, feds don’t pay for anything, businesses don’t pay for anything either. Ultimately the productive members of society end up paying for it all, directly or indirectly.

Let it burn.

Lost in Jersey on December 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Peggy Noonan should shut her pie-hole.

This was evident back in 2008, but she was upset about being slighted by Bush that she shilled for Obummer.

sentinelrules on December 4, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Crisis…O keeps making them in order to take advantage.

CoffeeLover on December 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

“… in an effort to ensure that state concerns’ aren’t being ignored as we edge closer to the fiscal cliff.”

LOL. Silly governors … since when has Obama ever acknowledged the existence of, let alone been concerned about, those little pesky 57 unconstitutional (in the mind of that great Constitutional Law professor himself) administrative bumps in the road?

These entities and that stupid (now dead) 10th Amendment and their representatives only make governing the national properly by whim and fiat: Not Optimal …

ShainS on December 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Why shouldn’t Obama do it? The leftist media jet set will be squeeing for this guy’s face to be carved into Mount Rushmore no matter what shape he leaves the country in.

Aitch748 on December 4, 2012 at 5:39 PM

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Goons are indignant.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 5:39 PM

In addition to turning functions over to the private sector many legitimate government functions can be returned to the states. We absolutely must return to federalism and fealty to the 10th Amendment.

If Liberals want to drive themselves over the financial cliff, let them do so with their own states and not drag the rest of us with them.

The states need to seize back their rightful peers and stop acting like subordinates to the federal government.

The federal government should have ZERO power over states yet they regularly use/abuse federal government money to bribe and cajole states.

Why should any state depend on federal money? How about the states have their citizens remit federal taxes to the federal government via a state office. Then states can just keep what would ordinarily be returned with strings attached.

There is a way.

Charlemagne on December 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Peggy Noonan should shut her pie-hole.

sentinelrules on December 4, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Yep!

It is fine that she writes something like ‘Why is there never a sense with Mr. Obama that he understands the other guys’ real position?’ But the truth is self-evident. The rat-eared wonder does not care. He’s not working for Americans, he is working for those who enriched him and his broad-beamed wife.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM

States need to look for respite in the 10th Amendment. I for one hope Perry cuts so many benefits to keep the budget balanced it drives our moochers out. Even the dragworms on Guadelupe Street in Austin need to feel this. Most folks here either have family roots that extend out to farml and ranchland or moved here to work. Those that can’t rely on their backs and families need to move along for awhile.

School vouchers immediately. Cuts, cuts, cuts are in order just to drive out the takers and reduce costs for those that have earned their wealth and want to remain viable.

The cities must face the pension reality they are ignoring in order to keep the state viable.

DanMan on December 4, 2012 at 5:46 PM

‘obama Consults with MSNBC Hosts Sharpton, Maddow on Tax Rates’

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-consults-msnbc-hosts-sharpton-maddow-tax-rates_665036.html

Pork-Chop on December 4, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Azzholes, then and now.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 5:47 PM

looks like several hit the same topic at the same time, good company in here

DanMan on December 4, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Evolving! Press secretary Carney now bragging about WH lack of transparency
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/04/evolving-press-secretary-carney-now-bragging-about-wh-lack-of-transparency/

Jay Carney is now boasting about the lack of transparency in WH’s approach to fiscal cliff talks #whbrief
Josh Gerstein (@joshgerstein) December 04, 2012

The most transparent administration evah? Yeah, not so much. Out: Transparency. In: Boasting about lack of transparency. That’s what Press secretary Carney did today during his briefing.

“We do not go to meetings with proposals and leak them to the press,” Carney says, suggesting Republicans do—Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) December 04, 2012

“We do not schedule meetings for the press. We do not negotiate with the press,” Carney says.—
Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) December 04, 2012

Galt2009 on December 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM

“We do not schedule meetings for the press. We do not negotiate with the press,” Carney says.—
Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) December 04, 2012

Galt2009 on December 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Right/ That’ why he met with Rachel Maddow, Al Sharpton, Lawrence O’Donnell and Ed Schultz in the White House today.

Wake up America, Pravda is in the White House and no one cares.

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Doing just fine! Obama says ‘economy is poised to take off’; Mockery does take off; Update: Delusional video added
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/04/doing-just-fine-obama-says-economy-is-poised-to-take-off-mockery-does-take-off/

“@BrettLoGiurato: “America is poised to take off,” Obama says of the economy.” “Prosperity is around the corner” Herbert Hoover
(@CTIronman) December 04, 2012

Oh, dear. This is beyond delusional and out of touch. Reminiscent of his absurd “doing just fine” and “headwinds!” comments, President Obama today said that the economy is totally “poised to take off,” during an interview with Bloomberg White House correspondent Julianna Goldman.

Also, metaphors are hard.

Obama, mixing metaphors: “America is poised to take off, and the question is let’s make sure we don’t have a self-inflicted wound”— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) December 04, 2012

Obama: The American economy is ‘poised to take off’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_je3pcCrJTw&feature=player_detailpage

Galt2009 on December 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM

DanMan on December 4, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Exactly what I advocated in my blog post at RedState.

Charlemagne on December 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Erika, I love your writing. But are you really that desperate for sourcing that you turn, of all places, to Peggy “Gosh Obama’s swell!” Noonan?

beatcanvas on December 4, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Galt2009 on December 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Right/ That’ why he met with Rachel Maddow, Al Sharpton, Lawrence O’Donnell and Ed Schultz in the White House today.

Wake up America, Pravda is in the White House and no one cares.

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 5:53 PM

That’s a great way of controlling the BSM – feed the tame mouthpieces a load of barack that will suck up all the oxygen of the news cycle.

Leaving tough questions unasked.

Galt2009 on December 4, 2012 at 5:59 PM

…a bad fairytale!

KOOLAID2 on December 4, 2012 at 6:00 PM

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Good grief!..thats a list of some of the most gullible and pathetic people in media.
The Mid East is on fire and the world economy is heading towards a semi barter system and these are the people he chooses to talk to??

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 6:01 PM

States? Governors?

How old-school Constitutionally of you people.

It’s all about one thing for the Ruling class in DC/NYC…….GREED AND POWER.

Once you figure that out….

PappyD61 on December 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Those people are much more important than our elected officials, don’t you think?//////

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

They don’t even pretend to be interested in reaching a deal. Their goal is to have the media step up their assaults on the GOP and make them look ridiculous and wrong. And the goons at MSNBC are, and always have been, more than happy to oblige.

scalleywag on December 4, 2012 at 6:05 PM

start with public pensions and school funds, then we’ll see what the obama voters will say about dear leader and his leadership…

cmsinaz on December 4, 2012 at 6:07 PM

scalleywag on December 4, 2012 at 6:05 PM

just talking to the echo chamber…bet wolfie and anderson are not pleased about this…

cmsinaz on December 4, 2012 at 6:08 PM

so instead of actually WORKING with congress, just continues to campaign with his lemmings at msdnc…

cmsinaz on December 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM

just talking to the echo chamber…bet wolfie and anderson are not pleased about this…

cmsinaz on December 4, 2012 at 6:08 PM

What really makes me sad is that the American people used to care about whether a news outlet was just and fair. They just wanted the truth without a bunch of anchor people favoring one side or another. Now they seem to just accept the fact they aren’t.

scalleywag on December 4, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Barry’s not going to compromise. Barry wants to preen before his worshipers. It’s all about Barry all the time.

GarandFan on December 4, 2012 at 6:53 PM

If we go off the fiscal cliff, here is what every conservative needs to do:

(1) Call your congressman or congresswoman and demand that a proposal be put forward to (A) tax all University and College Endowments over $4 billion at the capital gains rate; (B) force all faculty and staff at colleges and universities to pay income taxes on all the benefits and perks they receive for free (i.e., free tuition for their kids, membership at state of the art business centers, all expense paid trips overseas for conferences, sabbaticals, etc., etc.); and (C) tax all income received by a college or university for any services provided in our economy not related to education.

(2) Any pledge you have made to your university or alma mater – if it is a liberal institution (which is practically all of them) – cancel it. If you have a charitable donation in your will or trust, amend the will or trust and eliminate it. Then let the college or university know why.

(3) If you have ever made a pledge to PBS or any other “non-profit” that leans liberal (i.e., your local museum, your local botanical garden, etc.), cancel it or stop the pledge and let them know whey.

(4) If you are in any way supporting your kids who voted for Obama and they are of the age to get a job (even a job at McDonalds), stop supporting them. Let them get their own insurance. Let them pay their own bills. Let them have taxes taken out of their paychecks. Kick them out of your homes and make them pay rent and live like adults – and let them know why.

(5) If you are subscribing to any national newspaper that leans left – New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, etc. – cancel it and let them know why.

(6) Support your local and national conservative organizations, and let them know why.

In this age of data gathering, every single one of these organizations will record your reasons for doing what you do. That is why you need to let them know WHY!

studentofhistory on December 4, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Exactly what I advocated in my blog post at RedState.

Charlemagne on December 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Nice stuff there bub. Thanks.

DanMan on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM