White House reponds to GOP’s counteroffer: Sorry, wrong number, not going there

posted at 6:01 pm on December 3, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Despite Republicans’ significant concession that they would be amenable to revenue increases if they came via tax-code reform — an honest-to-goodness effort at compromise — President Obama has roundly refused to even consider a plan that doesn’t include tax-rate increases on the wealthy, the only apparent policy rationale being that it’s just that important to him to be a full-on class warrior. It looks like the White House is sticking to that line, even after Speaker Boehner officially released the GOP’s own proposal earlier this afternoon. So much for “negotiation,” via BuzzFeed:

“The Republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance,” Pfeiffer said. “In fact, it actually promises to lower rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. Their plan includes nothing new and provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which Medicare savings they would achieve.” …

Pfeiffer continued:

Independent analysts who have looked at plans like this one have concluded that middle class taxes will have to go up to pay for lower rates for millionaires and billionaires. While the President is willing to compromise to get a significant, balanced deal and believes that compromise is readily available to Congress, he is not willing to compromise on the principles of fairness and balance that include asking the wealthiest to pay higher rates. President Obama believes – and the American people agree – that the economy works best when it is grown from the middle out, not from the top down. Until the Republicans in Congress are willing to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates, we won’t be able to achieve a significant, balanced approach to reduce our deficit our nation needs.

Uh, not balanced? What the heck type of scales are they using? Ohhh, that’s right, the “fairness”/ “my way or the highway” scales. Are they really not going to move from their original demand-for-surrender and walk toward the GOP even a tiny bit? Like Keith Hennessy wrote in today’s WSJ, it’s starting to feel a lot like President Obama just can’t take yes for an answer:

Mr. Obama says reductions in ObamaCare spending are out of the question, and Congress must now agree to at least $50 billion in new stimulus spending next year. The debt limit must be permanently increased without accompanying spending cuts.

By contrast, House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell have offered on behalf of Republicans a significant concession in an attempt to close the negotiating gap. Mr. Boehner and Mr. McConnell propose to accept higher taxes on the rich as long as government spending is cut significantly and incentives to work and invest are not weakened. That way, higher taxes and entitlement-spending cuts would reduce future deficits, not finance even bigger government as the president proposes.

Unfortunately, it appears that President Obama cannot take yes for an answer. Republican leaders have shown him a legislative path to lock in his top policy priority with a strong bipartisan vote. Their proposal splits their own caucus, yet still the president refuses because he thinks he can get even more.

And, of course, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid quickly followed suit with the White House’s statement:

“To protect millionaires, Speaker Boehner’s offer would force middle class families to pay higher taxes. Raising taxes on the middle class is bad policy and flunks the test of balance. To protect the middle class while reducing the deficit, simple math dictates that tax rates must rise on the top two percent of taxpayers next year. The sooner Republicans grasp that reality, the sooner we can avoid the fiscal cliff.

“Democrats are willing to compromise, but any agreement must protect the middle class. We have also been clear that we have no intention of kicking the can down the road. Not only does Speaker Boehner’s proposal delay revenues into 2013, it sets up another destructive fight over the debt ceiling first thing next year.

Simple math, really? Because, as Jen Rubin explains, the Republicans’ plan would do far more in terms of balanced deficit-reduction that the president’s proposal:

A House leadership aide told Right Turn that “the GOP offer includes more deficit reduction than the White House offer last week, which included hundreds of billions in new stimulus’ spending. Our net deficit reduction is $2.2 trillion, but if we were to utilize White House schemes to count (1) previously-enacted Budget Control Act savings, (2) a war savings gimmick, and (3) further interest savings, our proposal would result in $4.6 trillion in deficit reduction savings, much more than theirs.”

So we have the potential for a deal that is somewhere between Bowles’s plan last year and the president’s plan.

That certainly was a quick and hard-line response from the White House — kinda’ like they already knew what they would say, no matter what the Republicans put on the table. If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that…

“I think the president is increasingly showing his hand that he is comfortable going off the cliff,” Barrasso tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD, in response to a question about President Obama’s negotiation strategy. “He’s not involving Republicans in the process. He was playing golf this weekend with Bill Clinton, Ron Kirk, and ex-DNC chair Terry McAuliffe. He’s not seeming to be one to work together. He seems to be lecturing more than listening. And I just think that it’s increasingly clear he’s comfortable going off the cliff.”


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People voted for more government and they should pay for it. Let the Bush-tax-cuts expire for everybody. No more dont-worry-somebody-else-will-pay-for-that-bullsht!

Valkyriepundit on December 3, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Good point..But that is going to cause a recession and problems that either side does not know the consequences of..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

And make sure that Hawaii vacation cannot be paid for.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Yah that makes sense. Risk having a giant hulk of a woman kicking down your door and looking for blood….no sir, it would be a brave man to restrict that funding.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

pass a couple bills in the House and go home; let the Senate and WH worry over it

burserker on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Pass this one and Bowles-Simpson and tell the Senate – here you go

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM

In the interests of “fairness,” the Bush tax rates must remain the same for all brackets…or they must go up for all.

onlineanalyst on December 3, 2012 at 6:58 PM

No doubt. This administration wants to start a civil war.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 6:47 PM

If that’s the intent and if it happens, Obama and the Dems won’t be able to contain it no matter how much they think they can. If it happens, and I pray I’m dead before it gets going, such a disaster will spiral out of control in a short time.

We’re too polarized now, and too cheesed off, to consider much in the way of mercy. Because of liberals, ‘tolerance’ is a bad word in the American lexicon. Things will proceed from that.

The Civil War was really army against army, between countries. If, God forbid, there is another one, it’s going to be a free-for-all like no one ever imagined happening in the world, let alone as has happened in most of history.

If it ever does start, I hope I’m dead before it begins.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Good point..But that is going to cause a recession and problems that either side does not know the consequences of..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Then the majority shouldn’t have voted for Obama and the other Dems.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Screw it, enough of this childish bickering . . . step on the accelerator and run it over the cliff. Bring on the recession, the default and all the rest of the pain that will befall everyone, including Obama. Obama is a narcissistic, spoiled brat and negotiating with him is like talking to a rock.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Good point..But that is going to cause a recession and problems that either side does not know the consequences of..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

My dear Dire, I must insist on disagreeing. I believe that the Obamanation Administration, the Democrats and the GOP Elite Leadership all know perfectly well what the results of their actions will be.

None of what is happening is an accident, this is all 100 percent planned out. They are most assuredly destroying the economy in order to rebuild America as a Marxist nation.

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Obama is a narcissistic, spoiled brat and negotiating with him is like talking to a rock.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Rocks are preferable. At least they don’t smugly say, “I won!” when they hit you in the backside.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Then we have to figure out a way to get the GOP “message” to “all the people”..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:53 PM

You cannot “message” to free loaders. As already proven on over a BILLION of them in Russia, China and Cuba. And more to follow in Venezuela now and other places.

Funny how Chinese move here and still vote communist. Seems Russians are the only immigrant group that gets it.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:03 PM

pass a couple bills in the House and go home; let the Senate and WH worry over it

burserker on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

That could be a good solution. Obama won’t agree to any compromise so why waste time talking to him. Let him and his senate do whatever they want and carry the entire blame when it falls apart . . . and it will fall apart.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Yah that makes sense. Risk having a giant hulk of a woman kicking down your door and looking for blood….no sir, it would be a brave man to restrict that funding.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

I’d be more than happy to personally deliver the message to her.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

We have also been clear that we have no intention of kicking the can down the road. -Reid

Kicking the can down the road is the entire Democrat game plan….Their entire approach to life itself.

It’s as if we live in an alternate universe these days.

visions on December 3, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Good point..I agree..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:05 PM

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Then we have to figure out a way to get the GOP “message” to “all the people”..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:53 PM

One place to start would be how the GOP messages in the first place. They treat the media like their friends (friends who will stab them in the back at first opportunity) and treat them as what they are – information outlets.

It will be difficult in the first place, but if the media gets cut off from all the extraneous BS then they’ll learn. Liberals can amazingly be like children. Cut off something or make it punitive and they’ll figure it out.

We have to assist by not watching the BS, telling sponsors why we aren’t watching and keeping our $$ in our pocket.

That’s a start. Until someone with very deep pockets comes by and starts up a channel then we can only do so much, but behavior modification is a powerful weapon.

We (both us and the GOP) don’t seem have the will to follow through.

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:02 PM

I agree without a doubt that some of Dems want that..But not all..I will go with 60%..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I’m not one of those folks who think Dr. K is always dead on (considering his election predictions I’m sure there are even less) but I think he is right when he says that Obama wants to destroy the Republican party. I can’t see any other reason for his attitude and he has the full support of the media.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Sorry .. “should treat them as what they are”. Left out the “should”.

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM

It looks like the White House is sticking to that line, even after Speaker Boehner officially released the GOP’s own proposal earlier this afternoon. So much for “negotiation,” via BuzzFeed:

Why is Boehner negotiating instead of legislating? Bring that bill to the floor and take a vote Boehner!! Stop begging, it’s unbecoming.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

I’m missing it; which part of the GOP plan is it that they claim decreases taxes on the wealthy and increases them on the middle class?

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

I’m not one of those folks who think Dr. K is always dead on (considering his election predictions I’m sure there are even less) but I think he is right when he says that Obama wants to destroy the Republican party. I can’t see any other reason for his attitude and he has the full support of the media.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Of course he does – we are everything he hates.

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:02 PM

I agree without a doubt that some of Dems want that..But not all..I will go with 60%..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM

The problem of course is basic math… It only takes 51% for them to get what they want.

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

It is going to be a tough slog for us (GOP)..But it is one that must be taken..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Very true..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Has anyone said what the revenue would be if the tax cuts expired? I truly don’t know but the number of unemployed has to be worked in there somewhere also. If the tax cuts expired and the sequestration is initiated, do we really go into recession?

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Part of

the problem is the MSM stories will only quote Pfeiffer & Reid, but never quote Boenher or talk about the kinds of things Jennifer Rubin and Keith Hennessy discuss in their articles. The average low-info citizen will always come away thinking this is all the Rethuglicans’ fault.

KS Rex on December 3, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Boy, you just hit the nail on the head!

herm2416 on December 3, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Then we have to figure out a way to get the GOP “message” to “all the people”..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:53 PM

That’s always been our problem – messaging

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 6:54 PM

The real problem has rested with the elites in the GOP. They hate conservatism, and thus muddy and dilute the message of free-market, limited government conservatism that Reagan successfully conveyed to voters. But he had to go over the heads of the same elite class.

In return, the GOP elite has pushed both Bushes, Dole, McCain and Mitt as the “most electable”. Out of those five presidential candidates, in seven presidential elections, two actually one one time each (taking the 2000 popular vote into account). Utterly despicable.

The conservative wing needs to end this battered-woman syndrome and kick the elites to the curb once and for all if they want to have any chance of winning any relevant elections again. Otherwise, all this talk about “messaging” will be for naught.

/soapbox

Myron Falwell on December 3, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Palin to House GOP: Don’t Be ‘Wusses’ During Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

Only person that has any courage. Run for the Speaker of the House, Sarah!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/02/Palin-to-House-Republicans-Don-t-Be-Wusses-During-Fiscal-Cliff-Negotiations

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I’m missing it; which part of the GOP plan is it that they claim decreases taxes on the wealthy and increases them on the middle class?

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Re-read the propaganda carefully:

Pfeiffer continued:

Independent analysts who have looked at plans like this one have concluded that middle class taxes will have to go up to pay for lower rates for millionaires and billionaires.

The GOP plan doesn’t raise middle class taxes. The Leftist is saying that middle class taxes will “have to go up” in the future, due to not raising taxes on “millionaires and billionaires” now.

visions on December 3, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Boehner, bring a bill to the floor tomorrow that increases taxes on specific classes of individuals only, to 95%: politicians, journalists, lawyers, media-types, pro athletes, etc.

Include in this bill an explicit refusal to pay for Obama’s vacation in any way shape or form – don’t know how to word it to be ‘broad’, but make it clear that this is the point – he can pay for his own f@#% vacation.

Include instant tax rate cuts on the middle class to about 10%, and spending cuts that amount to a 50% reduction in federal government spending.

Pass it, then go home with a Post-It note on top of it telling Obama to f@#$ himself, or let Harry Reid do it to him, either way, don’t care.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

wow. Obama is playing chess while the gope play pick up sticks. When will the GOpe learn this isn’t about a balanced budget or increased revenue this is about the 2014 midterms.

Are these people in the GOPe this stupid? Obama is running circles around them. He has made it seem like the GOPe would rather screw the entire country to protect billioniares dam the middle class.

Both the minority leader and speaker of the house need to resign and someone that believes in conservative principles, winning elections building majorities within the country instead of in Dc needs to replace them. The GOPe wants a big bill that is and has always been the problem. they want a lame duck bill so that their donors can be rewaqrded and that type and amount of pork can only be hidden in a massive bill. They thought the dems wanted the same thing and figured that they could put on a “good show” scare the natives and pass the bill in the middle of the night.

But Obama doesn’t care about rewarding donors he doesn’t care about nickles and dimes. The cliff was gone over a long time ago. He knows that the GOpe know that and the dems in DC know that.

So Obama is going to destroy the GOP and he is doing a great job at it. He has driven a wedge between the GOPe and its base they already agreed to tax increases. He has driven a wedge between the GOPe and the Reagan dems by showing the GOPe are only in it for the welathy and they could care less about the middle class and now he has driven a wedge between the gOPe and senior citizens as the GOp attack medicare and Social security.

I have never seen a major politcal party commit suicide on the national stage. The GOPe will be lucky to retain their clothes by the time Obama is done. All because Obama has a totally different objective that the GOPe are still clueless about and if they would get their hands out of their donors pockets long enough maybe they could figure it out.

unseen on December 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I’m missing it; which part of the GOP plan is it that they claim decreases taxes on the wealthy and increases them on the middle class?

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

The part that lets current tax rates to expire.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I’m not one of those folks who think Dr. K is always dead on (considering his election predictions I’m sure there are even less) but I think he is right when he says that Obama wants to destroy the Republican party. I can’t see any other reason for his attitude and he has the full support of the media.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Dr K is wrong again as usual, Obama couldn’t possible care less about destroying the Republican Party. They are not an obstacle to him and are rather useful.

No, Obama want’s to destroy America’s Constitutional Republic. He believes that America’s Constitution is fundamentally flawed and needs to be replaced with a Marxist Constitution.

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Palin to House GOP: Don’t Be ‘Wusses’ During Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

Only person that has any courage. Run for the Speaker of the House, Sarah!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/02/Palin-to-House-Republicans-Don-t-Be-Wusses-During-Fiscal-Cliff-Negotiations

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 7:13 PM

God do we need a leader like Palin at this moment. there is not one person besides Palin that has any type of leadership skill in the entire GOP. Palin get your crap together and lead this party’s base. We need you.

unseen on December 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I thought it was rich today when Little Jay Carney was talking about how embarrassing it was to be right back in the same place about the fight over raising the debt ceiling but he sees no irony in being back at the place where we need to increase the debt ceiling. Our basic fundamentals are totally screwed up and Republicans are taking the blame.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Are these people in the GOPe this stupid?

unseen on December 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Rhetorical question, right?

Of course they are stupid, ALL OF THEM. By offering the “brilliant” Ryan plan that cut $400 Billion out of $1.4 TRILLION deficit and leaving us with, oh, only a $1 TRILLION deficit, give or take.

When GOP’s so called brightest mathematician is this stupid what does it make the rest of them?

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I’m missing it; which part of the GOP plan is it that they claim decreases taxes on the wealthy and increases them on the middle class?

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

The part that lets current tax rates to expire.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

That doesn’t decrease taxes on the wealthy, does it? Will their rates go *down*?

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I think Obama hates our county and wants to change it, be redistributing income. I read that in the DC Examiner last week, Byron York wrote it.

Of course Obama wants to destroy the republicans, they are standing in the way of him having his way in 100% of what he wants to do to The U.S.

carolt2 on December 3, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Boehner, bring a bill to the floor tomorrow that increases taxes on specific classes of individuals only, to 95%: politicians, journalists, lawyers, media-types, pro athletes, etc…

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

That will be called racist, sexist, and homophobic because so many of the chosen, preferred’ types are in those fields.

Really–do you think Chris Matthews would really go for higher taxes on the ‘rich’ if his own wealth might come into possible jeopardy?

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I’m sorry but based on people I know, who voted Republican, I don’t believe Gov. Palin is electable. We are in the Golden Era compared to what our country would have to get to before she is the acceptable answer.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Let it burn is exactly what the Marxist elite in both parties are trying to accomplish. It is the only way they can ensure the level of lawlessness and civil unrest required to suspend the United States Constitution and replace it with a “Temporary Emergency Powers Act”.

Not exactly. True, the Left wants to see a “burn”, but more along the lines of smoke inhalation — and not the one envisioned here by conservatives. And the GOP elite is not exactly a Marxist elite. They’re closer to fear-enthralled useful idiots.

The Left would rather suffocate the people slowly through economic withering and the vast smothering embrace of the State over a dependent serfdom; they could not guarantee control of civil insurrection — not now, not in America. In any case, “Let it Burn” has more to do, I think, with forcing Obama to own his agenda and allowing the country to fail through his policies without mixing in Republican “compromises.”

rrpjr on December 3, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Walk Away Boehner. No. Wait. RUN AWAY!

Iblis on December 3, 2012 at 7:24 PM

It is going to be a tough slog for us (GOP)..But it is one that must be taken..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Yes, but we can do it because the alternative is worse!

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM

When a leader is driven by vengeful spite, any thought of true balance is a pipe-dream.

Balance, to the left, equals payback against those who had previously succeeded in life.

OldEnglish on December 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I’m curious as to what they’re referring to when they talk about leaving the “middle class” with the bill. I know they’re lying, but I’m trying to figure out which lie they’re invoking here.

DeathtotheSwiss on December 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM

If it ever does start, I hope I’m dead before it begins.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 6:58 PM

It’s horrible to contemplate, but I don’t see anything good coming of a “leader” demagoguing half the people as evil incarnate.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Sudden urge to grab a shovel and start filling sandbags.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Walk away and LIB.

Philly on December 3, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I’m sorry but based on people I know, who voted Republican, I don’t believe Gov. Palin is electable. We are in the Golden Era compared to what our country would have to get to before she is the acceptable answer.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I’ll agree with you. Comments I heard from other Republicans I would never post on this board for fear of being eaten alive.

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 7:28 PM

That doesn’t decrease taxes on the wealthy, does it? Will their rates go *down*?

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I was being sarcastic.

That’s the way LSM and Azzhole explain it to people, that rates for middle class will go up via expiration.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:30 PM

If it ever does start, I hope I’m dead before it begins.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 6:58 PM

I’ve got young-ish kids (all still in school). If it’s going to happen, let it happen now while I’m not too old to contribute and protect my family. The thought of leaving it for them to deal with is more than I can stand, frankly.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:30 PM

God do we need a leader like Palin at this moment. there is not one person besides Palin that has any type of leadership skill in the entire GOP. Palin get your crap together and lead this party’s base. We need you.

unseen on December 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Butbutbutbut I was told she was unelectable and stupid and hasn’t accomplished anything and is only interested in making a buck.

If we ask nicely, though, maybe she’s give back the round bits of the GOP leadership.

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:31 PM

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I see your point..BUT do NOT fear the “Loons”..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I’ll agree with you. Comments I heard from other Republicans I would never post on this board for fear of being eaten alive.

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 7:28 PM

There are enough of us to back you up. Same group that told all the RINOs up front how it will play out with Romney.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Well, let it burn. Let the culling of the stupid begin.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I’m sorry but based on people I know, who voted Republican, I don’t believe Gov. Palin is electable. We are in the Golden Era compared to what our country would have to get to before she is the acceptable answer.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I’ll agree with you. Comments I heard from other Republicans I would never post on this board for fear of being eaten alive.

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Then it’s over. If they are that brainwashed by the idiocy of the media and cannot think or look around for themselves, then it’s time to wait it out for the revolution or get used to socialism.

Or maybe they just want to be taken care of or honestly believe in the entitlements that are offered.

Either way, it’s over if this is the case.

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Lester and Constantine – When is the last time you got a job from a poor person?

kingsjester on December 3, 2012 at 6:38 PM

I think you can stop right there.

CJ on December 3, 2012 at 7:34 PM

The Left would rather suffocate the people slowly through economic withering and the vast smothering embrace of the State over a dependent serfdom; they could not guarantee control of civil insurrection — not now, not in America. In any case, “Let it Burn” has more to do, I think, with forcing Obama to own his agenda and allowing the country to fail through his policies without mixing in Republican “compromises.”

rrpjr on December 3, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Without a doubt that is what they would like to do. But it is not what they will do. Marxism has never worked anywhere it has been tried. Not once in it’s 150 year history or in one single attempt out of the 70 some times it has been tried.

It fails time and time again, and it does so for the exact same reason that their attempt to “suffocate the people slowly through economic withering and the vast smothering embrace of the State over a dependent serfdom” will fail.

That reason is this, no matter how good the various Marxist political theories look on paper, or sound when expounded upon, they all rely on basic concepts that violate basic biological evolutionary principals hard wired into humans for tens of millions of years.

Rule Number 1: Only the sick or wounded just lie down and die. Every healthy living thing either flees or fight rather than dying.

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I’ve got young-ish kids (all still in school). If it’s going to happen, let it happen now while I’m not too old to contribute and protect my family. The thought of leaving it for them to deal with is more than I can stand, frankly.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:30 PM

I have children, their spouses, and grandchildren. But my kids voted for Obama. It’s a new generation, the adults there tell me.

Very well, then. You reap what you sow.

Heartless as that might sound, I raised them to be adults with their own minds. They have chosen.

So be it.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Or maybe they just want to be taken care of or honestly believe in the entitlements that are offered.

Either way, it’s over if this is the case.

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Not much difference between RINOs and liberals. And I prefer dealing with those who are honest enough to say they are liberals.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Then we have to figure out a way to get the GOP “message” to “all the people”..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:53 PM

That’s always been our problem – messaging

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I still disagree with this. I know Dire thinks the GOP is ignoring people, communities — and that might be — but it’s looking like it doesn’t matter.

It’s not the messaging, it’s the message. You can have what you want if you figure it out and you work for it; you may never have what you want, and die poor; everything you have, you’ll earn; where you start is a function of the work your parents did and chance (etc.), and where you start is where you start; if you don’t like it, take it up with God; it’s the liberty that is equally distributed, not the goods — and so on.

I suspect that tens of millions of people in America damn well know the message, insufficient pandering and butt-kissing notwithstanding, and they are rejecting it.

So, anyway — I think the problem might be nothing more than too many people want to be socialists.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:37 PM

*Would happily be wrong. Again.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Without a doubt that is what they would like to do. But it is not what they will do. Marxism has never worked anywhere it has been tried. Not once in it’s 150 year history or in one single attempt out of the 70 some times it has been tried.

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:35 PM

And yet. Name one place where it was rolled back. Just one.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Palin to House GOP: Don’t Be ‘Wusses’ During Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

Only person that has any courage. Run for the Speaker of the House, Sarah!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/02/Palin-to-House-Republicans-Don-t-Be-Wusses-During-Fiscal-Cliff-Negotiations

bluefox

What is so courageous about going on the Greta van Susteren show? If she were the only person with any courage, she would have been in the 2012 race.

As for running for Speaker of the House, good luck with that. That would take real courage, not the watered down ‘nista version.

xblade on December 3, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:37 PM

You could have a point..I think you see mine also..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:40 PM

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I have been shocked at the opinions of people about her and the reasoning for the depths of their dislike (hate was the actual word) isn’t even rational. The media should be very proud of themselves, I’m not sure they have every done a more complete job.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Nice post..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:41 PM

every = ever to normal people.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I’m sorry but based on people I know, who voted Republican, I don’t believe Gov. Palin is electable. We are in the Golden Era compared to what our country would have to get to before she is the acceptable answer.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:22 PM

“Electable” is no longer a hill to die on. The GOP just lost an (important) election because it fixated on this notion and chose a guy because they thought he was so very electable. Why keep doing it? Get behind a person with principle and more importantly, who will call out a liar when she sees one.

I mean, look at it like this, if you are going to lose, at least go with a person who stands up and calls out the liars. Not to mention stands for something. Then that’s an honorable loss – Not like what just happened.

You are electable, when you get elected. The electable meme needs to die a quick death, its a hang up so the GOP will keep choosing the guys the Democrats want to run against. How can that no longer be clear? It was clear Obama WANTED to run against Romney from before the primaries even began. How do I know? The Media played nice with him until he got the nomination… Palin, no so much…

Sharr on December 3, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Just letting the bush tax rates expire will cause
Recession. Asking for more will cause depression.

redguy on December 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Boehner, bring a bill to the floor tomorrow that increases taxes on specific classes of individuals only, to 95%: politicians, journalists, lawyers, media-types, pro athletes, etc.

Include in this bill an explicit refusal to pay for Obama’s vacation in any way shape or form – don’t know how to word it to be ‘broad’, but make it clear that this is the point – he can pay for his own f@#% vacation.

Include instant tax rate cuts on the middle class to about 10%, and spending cuts that amount to a 50% reduction in federal government spending.

Pass it, then go home with a Post-It note on top of it telling Obama to f@#$ himself, or let Harry Reid do it to him, either way, don’t care.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I like the way you think. I would be concerned if I were you.

Mr. Arrogant on December 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM

And yet. Name one place where it was rolled back. Just one.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

You ever hear of a little country called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM

That could be a good solution. Obama won’t agree to any compromise so why waste time talking to him. Let him and his senate do whatever they want and carry the entire blame when it falls apart . . . and it will fall apart.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Oh it will fall apart, but don’t be surprised if this collapse happens after Obama’s term is up, or even if a mild recovery happens, despite Obama, due to the energy boom. Of course, Obama will be praised and the next Republican in office will be blamed when the collapse occurs on his watch.

Decoski on December 3, 2012 at 7:45 PM

You could have a point..I think you see mine also..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:40 PM

One thing about it is that, whether you are right or wrong, the possibility that you are right gives the GOP something to do. I’m not sure how to do it — another RNC chair with dark skin isn’t going to cut it :) — but now would be the time to reach out.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I don’t think we need a new RNC chair..We (GOP) need to go after the “urban” ares way better than we are doing..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Palin isn’t stupid. She has a bunker even Bishop would envy. She tried,, hard. I have the ultimate respect for her. I voted for her, not McCain. But if you were her what would you be doing right now? I’d be hunkering down, filling the bunker protecting my family.

Her and Andrew in Madison was epic.

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wolly4321 on December 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

What will happen when we go over the cliff and all tax rates go up then Obama submits legislation to again lower the rates of those under $250k, only to discover that the House will not act on it and it dies on the vine? All of his parasitic constituents will be whining like stuck pigs because they are paying higher taxes and have less money. The law of unintended consequences, I presume? There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Sharr on December 3, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I agree with much of what you say but this should have been an anybody but Obama year. You would think that not spending more than you make would be a universal message but either our guys have strayed from that too many times to be taken seriously or people are more worried about what the government gives them to rock the boat.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 7:56 PM

What will happen when we go over the cliff
rplat on December 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Well duh… This is exactly what will happen…

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I mean, look at it like this, if you are going to lose, at least go with a person who stands up and calls out the liars. Not to mention stands for something. Then that’s an honorable loss – Not like what just happened.

Sharr on December 3, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I’m sort of with you, but I think Munford’s going to be right in the end. I think her skill-set is perfect, but all the crinkled noses that think Obama’s skill-set is perfect (and I’m talking about crinkling noses right-of-center) would keep her from being elected.

If she’s a table-banging truth teller, people sort of want . . . Alec Baldwin. If you see what I’m saying.

Going to go pour peroxided over my fingers now.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

This…this…is what voter fraud can do for you.

SouthernGent on December 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM

SouthernGent on December 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Do you think there was really enough to influence the outcome?

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Yep, “our” side is a bigger problem.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM

This…this…is what voter fraud can do for you.

SouthernGent on December 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Can we stop blaming voter fraud? It shouldn’t have even been close. Lets just accept the fact that the majority in this country voted in their perceived best short term interest, at the expense of everyone else’s real short term and long term interests. It’s really that simple. This has been slowly getting worse and worse for decades. Even Reagan couldn’t slow down the growth of the deficit — why? Because people want their goodies from the govt, and they will keep fighting over the scraps until the last possible second.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I am amazed at the willingness to pay $8 a gallon for gas for the privilege to attend a same sex wedding. I guess we will be paying less for contraceptives though.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I don’t think we need a new RNC chair..We (GOP) need to go after the “urban” ares way better than we are doing..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

This has been a broken record for 50 years plus. In spite of any attempt by the GOP (often by giving up their own principles in a vain attempt for votes) the end result is always, ALWAYS the same. Nothing. Bupkis. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

Don’t even try to do something that will not work. The urban areas will vote 90% plus Democrat until the end of time. They are the write-offs, the worthless dreck of society.

Myron Falwell on December 3, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Just tell Obama that since he liked the deal from 2011 that they will stick to it…

All the tax cuts go away… you get the Clinton Tax rates PLUS Obamacare taxes!

The debt ceiling doesn’t go up.

Now you, Mr. President, get to put forth a CLINTON ERA BALANCED BUDGET now that you have the CLINTON ERA TAX RATES.

After all, for $2.44 trillion, can’t you make a balanced budget for the US government?

Or maybe you would like to go back to the Clinton Era size of government and undo all the government expanding legislation since Clinton left office plus all the new regulations? Wouldn’t that be swell, Mr. President, to undo Obamacare and DNI, TSA, DHS….and fire lots and lots of government workers and have less regulation to worry about? Or can you really, and for true, give a balanced budget with $2.44 trillion.

Because that was the last debt ceiling deal and you did ask for it that way and signed on to it that way… it just wasn’t written that way, but that is what you get now with that deal.

We tried to give you a WAY OUT but you don’t want it.

Fine.

Everything stays just as it is.

Any budget with deficit spending won’t even get looked at because YOU are then opening the can of worms that you so obviously want sealed.

ajacksonian on December 3, 2012 at 8:08 PM

…math is hard for these morons!

KOOLAID2 on December 3, 2012 at 8:10 PM

We’ll see what happens with Obama once his money-supply gets turned off. The debt-limit is about 1-1.5 months away (unless Turbo-Tax-Tim can fiddle the books).

Otherwise let it ride, GOP

Jimbobby on December 3, 2012 at 8:10 PM

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 7:13 PM

God do we need a leader like Palin at this moment. there is not one person besides Palin that has any type of leadership skill in the entire GOP. Palin get your crap together and lead this party’s base. We need you.

unseen on December 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I agree that Palin has what is needed. My opinion is that she will make her move on her own time table and until then will continue to speak out. She is one of the very few that is doing so.

Also, Palin has no problem identifying the enemy, unlike the GOP. Only way to win a war too:-)

I’ve noticed also that she has been getting nice support from talk radio which may reach more people than Greta’s show.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Jimbobby on December 3, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I would put money on the GOP folding like a cheap suit.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 8:15 PM

So, anyway — I think the problem might be nothing more than too many people want to be socialists.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 7:37 PM

This is a solidly socialist-leaning nation. The Dems and the MSM made it so. We are in the minority, which all but ensures either a violent revolution/rebellion along the lines of the French Revolution (which probably should happen) or a massive collapse of the federal government leading to a loss of sovereignty.

But it’s what the people wanted. Well, God doesn’t bless tyrannies.

Myron Falwell on December 3, 2012 at 8:15 PM

White House Dictionary entry:

Compromise

Noun:
An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by the other side making concessions.

sadatoni on December 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

We (both us and the GOP) don’t seem have the will to follow through.

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

I haven’t watched Fox News since election night. The “alphabet” channels aren’t allowed on my TV, nor any Sunday shows of course.
That’s my little contribution:-) Easier than I thot. Have more time to do constructive projects, like reading and blogging, LOL
Oh, and watching Christmas movies too!

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

bluefox

What is so courageous about going on the Greta van Susteren show? If she were the only person with any courage, she would have been in the 2012 race.

As for running for Speaker of the House, good luck with that. That would take real courage, not the watered down ‘nista version.

xblade on December 3, 2012 at 7:40 PM

My, my. Another Anti-Conservative, Anti-Tea Party person.
Since I’m here, what other person has been speaking out about Obama/GOPe? I mean that have been correct, not the Morris/Rove group type:-)

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 8:28 PM

If Barry wants a war, give him one. Let’s go over the cliff together.

GarandFan on December 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Do not be fearful of this fun house mirror cartoon unPresident.

He is not backed up by any thing other than your work, your efforts and your fear of the IRS.

Once that fear is over come by the real need for food and shelter the fear will turn to anger.

Once your feel the anger and you accept the fact you, we, all of us to include the non vote types enabled this false con grifter to be elected by those who think he can keep on his theft of our labor forever.

The anger will come, when it does we must act with thought and clear headed actions.

A laughing stock otherwise this ONE and his commie thug Democrat Party that mindlessly runs out 20 foot from the cliff and looks back and double dog dares the rest of U.S. to follow them down.

Let then hit bottom first, see they like that.

Hold our fire, hold our concessions and lurk about and see what this fool does when he is naked and splattered all over the bottom of the cliff he chose to jump off of seeking his impossible dream act.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

White House Dictionary entry:

Compromise

Noun:
An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by the other side making concessions agreeing with precisely what you demand.
sadatoni on December 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

FIFY

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Dr K is wrong again as usual, Obama couldn’t possible care less about destroying the Republican Party. They are not an obstacle to him and are rather useful.

No, Obama want’s to destroy America’s Constitutional Republic. He believes that America’s Constitution is fundamentally flawed and needs to be replaced with a Marxist Constitution.

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Good luck with that. If Obama wants to play by the rules (HAH!) he will have to attempt to amend the Constitution. There are 26 state legislatures under Republican control, enough to deny the 2/3rds requirement for a constitutional convention called by the states. The House is majority Republican. The Senate is nowhere near the 2/3rds majority required to pass an amendment resolution, and in any case, it must be a joint resolution. What are the chances of that happening with this Congress, as currently constituted?

Of course, there are those who assume that Obama might attempt extraconstitutional means to implement the change he wants. I don’t believe that the millions who do not support Obama politically would stand for that at all. Does the timeframe 1861-1865 ring a bell? Hmmmmmm?

El Salsero on December 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Then we have to figure out a way to get the GOP “message” to “all the people”..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 6:53 PM

The IRS will be delivering the message at no cost to the GOP.

txmomof6 on December 3, 2012 at 8:53 PM

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