San Bernardino city attorney to citizens: “Lock your doors and load your guns”

posted at 9:21 pm on December 3, 2012 by J.E. Dyer

The bankrupt city of San Bernardino, CA voted last week to slash its fiscal-year budget by $26 million, to close up a $52.4 million shortfall.  No, $26 million isn’t enough, and we’ll get to that in a minute.  But the $26 million will have a significant impact on the operating budget for police and fire, and that’s got folks in a tizzy.

The difference in the law enforcement budget won’t mean a big cut in the current sworn police force.  It’s down to 270 today, from a mid-2000s high of 358, but that cutback has already happened.  The new budget figure caps personnel at 260.  As officers retire, they won’t be replaced until the number drops below 260.

Although its crime numbers have declined overall since 2005 (leveling out in 2011 and 2012), San Bernardino remains among the most dangerous cities of its size in the country, posting about twice as many crime incidents as the national average.  Violent crime in San Bernardino is especially high, twice that of California as a whole.  San Bernardino’s 260 officers compare favorably to the 214 on the Gilbert, AZ police force, a city in the same size category (200,000-215,000).  But Gilbert’s crime numbers are lower – much lower.  Cities with crime rates similar to San Bernardino’s, like Spokane, WA, Birmingham, AL, Richmond, VA, and Rochester, NY, have much larger police forces, running to sworn-officer rosters between 700 and 800.

So the San Bernardino city attorney advised citizens at a community meeting in November to “Go home, lock your doors, and load your guns.”  In response to the media furor over this suggestion, James Penman had this to say:

In an interview Thursday, Penman said that he stands behind that advice, and he’s gotten nothing but positive responses from residents since then. He said the only criticism he’s received has been from the media…

“I can understand how people who don’t live or work in the City of San Bernardino and don’t hear the sirens every night, the gun shots, the helicopters overhead, as many San Bernardino residents do, might not understand the significance when you have people being killed in their homes,” he said.

Penman said he is only repeating what police officers have told him: that the city can provide only basic law enforcement services due to recent cuts.

“We need to stop giving people false hope,” Penman said. “We have to start encouraging people to protect themselves. The situation is that bad in San Bernardino.”

Now, I think there is something to be said for parsing Penman’s words.  San Bernardino isn’t letting police officers go.  It’s not like things are going to immediately get worse than they are now.  The point is not so much that things will change, with the new budget, as that things won’t change.  San Bernardino has all the police officers it’s going to have for the foreseeable future.  If crime gets worse – too bad.  The city can’t afford to do more about it.

San Bernardino is also cutting fire department overtime by 35 percent, which ought to be interesting.  It has been very humid over the past week (I live about 35 miles from San Bernardino), but that won’t last.  San Bernardino will see fire season again.

Even the $26 million in spending cuts doesn’t make up half of the city’s shortfall, however.  So San Bernardino is deferring its contributions to CalPERS, the state pension fund in which government workers are invested.  (Their employers, like the city of San Bernardino, contribute to the fund.)  The city plans to renegotiate its other pension-bond obligations with bondholders.  The current-year deferrals will amount to $35 million.

CalPERS has formally objected to the “deferral” plan – adopted as part of the city’s bankruptcy proceeding – because of the virtual certainty that San Bernardino will never make the deferred contributions.  The city’s current unfunded pension obligations are $143 million, a sum larger than San Bernardino’s total general-fund revenues in each of the last ten years.

Of course, CalPERS’ own problems are staggering.  The fund’s invested value declined nearly 5 percentbetween July 2011 and July 2012, which hasn’t helped with the estimated

$398 billion by which CalPERS is underfunded versus future pension obligations.

San Bernardino County got $936 million from the 2009 federal stimulus – $464 per county resident – but that hasn’t improved the economy in the area.  The city of San Bernardino is now the second-poorest large city in America (Detroit is the poorest).

After creating brief notoriety for the county, the idea of using eminent domain to seize underwater mortgages and modify them – i.e., reduce the mortgage amount to the current market value of a property – has gone silent.  But interest in the idea is still there, and advocates will be pushing it again in 2013.  Declining revenues from properties with non-performing mortgages are a big annoyance for local governments.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at Hot Air, Commentary’s “contentions,Patheos, The Daily Caller, The Jewish Press, and The Weekly Standard online.

Her home blog is The Optimistic Conservative.  She also writes for the new blog Liberty Unyielding.


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Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Jason Whitlock would rather you just die in your home.

WisCon on December 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

San Bernardino city attorney to citizens: “Lock your doors and load your guns”

That’s going to be difficult after the National Socialist Left endeavors to disarm the law abiding.

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 9:27 PM

San Bernardino city attorney to citizens: “Lock your doors and load your guns”

And then, after you have protected yourself against some barbaric thugs and shot them this DA will drag you in court and have you sit trial for murder … because you killed the poor little criminals – who the court would have let back onto the street with a slap on the wrist if you hadn’t stopped them.

There is no solution when leftists are in charge. That’s the whole reason for leftists to even exist – to make life unlivable for civilized people.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 3, 2012 at 9:29 PM

This is a microcosm of what is going to happen in many cities and many states.

And whist Leftists always like to talk about ‘root causes’, you can be assured they will not look into the root causes of this.

CorporatePiggy on December 3, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Jason Whitlock would rather you just die in your home.

WisCon on December 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Well if you protect yourself, that would mean you and your family are more valuable than a pile of human debris that wants to ‘privately’ do what the Democrats want to do through the proxy of government.

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

What’s the Hispanic population, over 60%? Or aren’t we supposed to talk about that?

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

IT BEGINS!!

Acutally, this story is Olde…and the idea of some one living in San Bernardino California ‘girding their loins’ is laughable…

This is just MK 2 MOD 1 of the ‘We’re broke so the first thing to go is the police force’….They never put the bike paths, the nature studies, the grants for art improvement, et al…

They always go for ‘Pay up or we’re gonna get rid of the meager protection that you have….

##))ers…

BigWyo on December 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM

And another thing, you could half the 260 cops they have and it would be enough of a Police force in a city of 200,000 in a civilized culture.

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM

This is a microcosm of what is going to happen in many cities and many states.

Only if people are sensible about their means of self-defense Hint: it’s not calling 911 as is noted.

And whist Leftists always like to talk about ‘root causes’, you can be assured they will not look into the root causes of this.

CorporatePiggy on December 3, 2012 at 9:29 PM

You not allowed to look into the ‘root causes’ IF they are courtesy of the National Socialist Left you see – that’s racist or unfair or something.

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 PM

You needed the link to the video to do that quote justice.

heretic on December 3, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Liberalism at its best!

They won’t protect the residents but you can bet your bottom dollar that if a white person shoots a black home invader, it will make national news as another event of racism.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Jacketed hollow points and aim for center mass…the bad guys will get the hint. Perhaps this will be a better deterent than any other bleeding heart program.

Wyznowski on December 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I wonder, just how many conservatives don’t actually consider hispanics criminals. It’s getting to the point that those who don’t believe hispanic americans are somehow prone to criminal behavior are going to have to start identifying themselves, lest the comments of Chip and lowandslow come to speak for the broader community.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

heretic on December 3, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Sorry…budget cuts.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

L.i.B.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Lib.

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Is it ok to consider hispanics who break the law criminals?

Left Coast Right Mind on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

You’re sleeping late at night and you hear the distinct noise of someone breaking in.

Would you:

A). Want to be able to defend yourself

Or

B). Wait what could be your lifetime for the police to arrive.

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 9:43 PM

On a related note, the police have finally released a color photo of George Zimmerman’s battered and bloody face taken the night of his claimed self-defensive shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Ya’ think it might have been more proper for the facts of the case to release this crucial image the very next day?

Who sat on it, and why?

If the truth of Benghazi-gate takes as long to unravel and get out, we’re in for a long stall from Team Barack.

profitsbeard on December 3, 2012 at 9:44 PM

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Ernesto, as a troll you owe it to the community to improve your trolling skills.

Time was…we had some really good trolls here.

Step into their Birkenstocks.

CorporatePiggy on December 3, 2012 at 9:45 PM

B). Wait what could be your lifetime for the police to arrive.

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Bob Costas says B.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 9:45 PM

I wonder, just how many conservatives don’t actually consider hispanics criminals. It’s getting to the point that those who don’t believe hispanic americans are somehow prone to criminal behavior are going to have to start identifying themselves, lest the comments of Chip and lowandslow come to speak for the broader community.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Okay, you liberal joke, who keeps trashing his own pigheaded points by being pigheaded.

Tell us all, you smug younggin’, who once here has said anything that a neutral topic like this requires a bash of Hispanics? Show me one, with quotes, by the authors of the threads of which there are thousands here on Hotair.

Show me one–just one–you pedantic little teenage Obama groupie.

Adult liberals can at least make a cogent argument, to challenge intellects. They fail, too, all the time.

You can’t even come close to them; your ignorance destroys not only your own side, but often also your own arguments.

Go back to HuffPo and try learning for once from liberals far better than you.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Oh, cry me a river, princess.

And then, take your race card and stuff it where the sun don’t shine. ‘Cause it’s maxed out…and no one’s accepting it any longer.

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Is it ok to consider hispanics who break the law criminals?

Left Coast Right Mind on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Not if their intent is to create a better life for themselves and for their family. They can break the law if their intent feeeeeeeels good.

Hater :) /

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 9:47 PM

I wonder, just how many conservatives don’t actually consider hispanics criminals. It’s getting to the point that those who don’t believe hispanic americans are somehow prone to criminal behavior are going to have to start identifying themselves, lest the comments of Chip and lowandslow come to speak for the broader community.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Do you realize that it’s racist for you to say something like that?

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Must be part of that “gun culture” that moonbat Bob Costas keeps whining about.

Philly on December 3, 2012 at 9:48 PM

“The city’s current unfunded pension obligations are $143 million, a sum larger than San Bernardino’s total general-fund revenues in each of the last ten years.”

I think I see the problem here…

… Now, who’s responsible for those unfunded pension obligations?

Seven Percent Solution on December 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Greg Gutfeld v. Costas (and affiliated leftist media types)

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/03/greg-gutfeld-blasts-ghoulish-bob-costas-bigot-jason-whitlock-video/

not pretty, if you are a leftist TV burble person…who is mainly trying to fill up time until the next ad.

r keller on December 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM

… Now, who’s responsible for those unfunded pension obligations?

Seven Percent Solution on December 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Hispanic criminals?

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I wonder, just how many conservatives don’t actually consider hispanics criminals. It’s getting to the point that those who don’t believe hispanic americans are somehow prone to criminal behavior are going to have to start identifying themselves, lest the comments of Chip and lowandslow come to speak for the broader community.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Something you guys won’t talk about. Yes the Hispanic culture is more prone to behavior that is in direct conflict to the values of the traditional (and past) culture of this country.
The same can be said now of the majority of Black communities in this nation. Something liberals like Bob Costas knows but is to gutless to say, so he paints all gun owners as part of the problem of violence inherent in just some of this nations communities.
But you go ahead and ignore all that and portray me as a racist. Because we all know as long you feel good about yourself, nothing else matters.

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Jacketed hollow points and aim for center mass…the bad guys will get the hint. Perhaps this will be a better deterent than any other bleeding heart program.

Wyznowski on December 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I see what you did there.

platypus on December 3, 2012 at 9:51 PM

You are such a little pissant, ernesto. You don’t bear even the self-respect to capitalize your name to read ‘Ernesto’.

In my time, I have known many men named Ernesto. All have been Hispanic, and they were friends with whom I shared mutual respect, lunches, and an occasional beer. They were all, every one them, men.

You only playact at that level of respect and common courtesy.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Something liberals like Bob Costas knows but is to gutless to say, so he paints all gun owners as part of the problem of violence inherent in just some of this nations communities.

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I’ve searched all white communities and i can’t find a single person who has a 9mm Glock with a side mounted scope.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Hold up. Nothing. Absolutely nothing in the original topic post had anything to do with race. And yet, we have had multiple posters in this thread bring up the issue of race, even suggesting that Hispanic and Black people are inherently abnormal or violent. The silence in response from other conservatives clearly shows that Liam and lowandslow represent your beliefs. Is this accurate?

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Get criminals off the streets: eliminate the police force.

Dante on December 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Says the biggest race baiting whore of them all.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Well said.

MontanaMmmm on December 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

GFYS.

MontanaMmmm on December 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Hold up. Nothing. Absolutely nothing in the original topic post had anything to do with race.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

I get what you are sayin’

San Bernardino city.

Enough said.

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

You can talk about the fiscal problems in Detroit, Birmingham, San Bernadino, Los Angelas, etc., etc. and pretend it’s all about poor management or union influence or liberal policies but it would would disingenuous if you don’t look at the culture of those places as a whole.
Why are you afraid to confront that?

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 10:01 PM

the idea of using eminent domain to seize underwater mortgages and modify them – i.e., reduce the mortgage amount to the current market value of a property – has gone silent. But interest in the idea is still there, and advocates will be pushing it again in 2013.

Basically, the politicians write a piece of paper and rob banks of billions, after having caused the housing bubble in the first place. Is this a great country or what?

Socratease on December 3, 2012 at 10:01 PM

San Bernardino city.

Enough said.

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I thought conservatives “don’t see color.” Which means that the racial demographics of this city is actually irrelevant to the issues raised in the original post, which were about gun ownership, funding of the police and the issue of safety. Are these, or are these not racially neutral issues? And if they are not racially neural how is it that conservatives raised them while not being able to “see race?”

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Hold up. Nothing. Absolutely nothing in the original topic post had anything to do with race. And yet, we have had multiple posters in this thread bring up the issue of race, even suggesting that Hispanic and Black people are inherently abnormal or violent. The silence in response from other conservatives clearly shows that Liam and lowandslow represent your beliefs. Is this accurate?

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

In the modern culture you liberals have created, like you as you are and keep saying, such a statement by the city attorney is ‘code’.

Don’t try escaping what you liberals have started, batting your big baby-blues. Because we all know that the instant a black home invader is shot in a white household, YOU will be among the first to claim here it was a bias killing because of hype and hysteria created by the SB city attorney.

You think YOU are so ‘intellectual’, so ‘neutral’? Pffft!

We already know you, libfree. We know from where you proceed on any topic even before you post.

So save your ‘proofs’ and accusations here, because you overused all your points of debate.

Go to HuffPo and spew there, I recommend. At least there, you might garner some credence.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Have you always been a racist?

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I’ve been to San Bernardino. Hot as h3ll in the summer. And Fontana next door is where the Hells Angels got their start.

God’s Country.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I thought conservatives “don’t see color.”

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I don’t see color..

And history…

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Wait until 2016.

CPT. Charles on December 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

And I see history…

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Why are you afraid to confront that?

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Oh I’m not afraid. Lets talk about it. Please explain the decline of Detroit from World War II through the height of the present day crisis. Please cite policies and economic trends that back up your assertion that “black culture” is the cause of Detroit’s decline.

I, on the other hand, will simply offer up Thomas Sugrue’s masterful book “The Origins of the Urban Crisis” available on amazon. Its something every conservative should read.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Gee, Ernesto! I would talk to the New York Times if I were you. Hispanics don’t score so good in their Book!

Click HERE on “Race of Perp, you liberal twit.

Bulletchaser on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

This is the typical M.O. run amok. Whenever there are budget cuts at the local level, the politicians claim that first responders and teachers are first to be cut. Not maintenance workers, file clerks, or administration. It’s because the public will respond in outrage that teachers or first responders are going to be cut- not so much somebody who works in the tax assessment office or local DMV.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I thought…

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Not before you opened your mouth that is.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

“Lock your doors and load your guns…”

OMG…LMAO….LMAO…hysterically too. What guns???? CA has done all it can to DISARM it’s law abiding citizens..PERIOD.

So…what’s their choice now? Get busted for owning an “illegal self defense weapon”?

Let the chaos begin you silly twits.

Twana on December 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I see history…

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Explain please.

Don’t try escaping what you liberals have started, batting your big baby-blues. Because we all know that the instant a black home invader is shot in a white household, YOU will be among the first to claim here it was a bias killing because of hype and hysteria created by the SB city attorney.

You’ve been following the Michael Dunn murder of Jordan Davis haven’t you? That’s a tough one. How will conservatives rationalize white men killing black boys for playing their music too loud? Music is threatening?

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:09 PM

The silence in response from other conservatives clearly shows that Liam and lowandslow represent your beliefs. Is this accurate?

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

And another thing: I speak only for myself. Unlike you smug pontificating liberals, I know my limits and respect the fellow Conservatives here.

YOU, on the other hand, are a typical classic cookie-cutter liberal. You are no different than any other liblet who posts here; you’re common of your breed.

I, and clearly other Conservatives here, do each other the common courtesy and respect to be individuals.

Keep your weakling groupthink all you want. But we’re not about that sort of thing.

You claim to be a college professor, if I recall correctly. So how about acting like one for once, even though you can’t seem to rise to the title and occasion.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Wow the race baiters are screaming link a bunch of chimps.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 10:11 PM

CA has done all it can to DISARM it’s law abiding citizens..PERIOD.

Twana on December 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

You have absolutely no idea how many of us here are armed and stocked up.

We like it that way.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 10:11 PM

I thought conservatives “don’t see color.”

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

You see color all the time. So why shouldn’t we finally get on your bandwagon?

After all, you liberals won, didn’t you?

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 10:12 PM

I wonder, just how many conservatives don’t actually consider hispanics criminals. It’s getting to the point that those who don’t believe hispanic americans are somehow prone to criminal behavior are going to have to start identifying themselves, lest the comments of Chip and lowandslow come to speak for the broader community.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I wonder how many liberals don’t actually consider Caucasians racists. I hope you don’t speak for the broader community.

If y’all ridiculous rednecks liked me, I’d be worried.
ernesto on June 25, 2010 at 11:52 PM

As just for the record, here’s the Hispanic supporter showing his…uh…support:

The world would be better off if the Mexicans in 1836 had killed off her whole bloodline.
ernesto on June 25, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

The race baiters are howling like a bunch of hyenas.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I hope he doesn’t plan on prosecuting business owners citizens for concealed carry. He gave the recommendation.

Unless you have an armored car/van, a mobile cash-dispensary or you’re an on-duty armed guard you can’t keep a loaded firearm on your person in your own damn car. If I’m not mistaken the ammo/magazine and handgun must be in separate contained portions of the car.

Independent contractors such as cabbies and OTR truckers are targets. I’m glad he made this public statement. But I hope SB gives some leeway to merchants, shop-owners, even swap meet vendors.

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Only if you report it…

affenhauer on December 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Ernesto got confronted with rebuttals backed up by source links so he ran back to HuffPo for new talking point.

libfree is just here for his regular drive-by.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

If y’all ridiculous rednecks liked me, I’d be worried.
ernesto on June 25, 2010 at 11:52 PM

Are you a bigot or do you believe whites are impervious to racism? What’s your problem?

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Why don’t you go run and get some statistics (like the kind you love to use in your joke “raaacism” cases – but real statistics, this time) and then get back to me.

You know, “disparate impact” is a disingenuous leftist line of BS but “disparate action” is very real. Get back to me with REAL statistics on crime and then we can talk. Since you leftists are all into stats and using them to prove group behavior, go get ‘em, slimeball.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Oh I’m not afraid. Lets talk about it. Please explain the decline of Detroit from World War II through the height of the present day crisis. Please cite policies and economic trends that back up your assertion that “black culture” is the cause of Detroit’s decline.

I, on the other hand, will simply offer up Thomas Sugrue’s masterful book “The Origins of the Urban Crisis” available on amazon. Its something every conservative should read.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Why Sure Libfree! Read this Book, showing the complete dominance of Liberal thought, racial dominance of the Detroit City Government, White Flight dating back to the 1967 riots and on and on till Detroit became 95% black 70% illiterate and turned the “Pairs of the West” into the “Mogadishu of the West”. When they ran out of White tax money, they want to absorb the Suburbs (just like Obama) you liberal twit.

All too easy.

Bulletchaser on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I prefer 12 gauge 2 3/4″ no. 4 buck for indoor shooting and 3″ 00 buck for outdoor use. Any quality brand of .308 Win. ammunition at 150 gr. w/ a ballistic tip that your rifle will “group” with will do for distance. And a 4″ .40 cal with Speer 155 gr. Gold Dots are killer for that “last ditch” weapon. Yes, 9mm is more common but .40 rounds transfer energy to the target MUCH better.

Just sayin’.

/yeah, yeah … I know, racist …and 2 branch military NRA patron member

M240H on December 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

You’ve been following the Michael Dunn murder of Jordan Davis haven’t you? That’s a tough one. How will conservatives rationalize white men killing black boys for playing their music too loud? Music is threatening?

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:09 PM

“I can understand how people who don’t live or work in the City of San Bernardino and don’t hear the sirens every night, the gun shots, the helicopters overhead, as many San Bernardino residents do, might not understand the significance when you have people being killed in their homes,” he said.

I haven’t followed the Michael Dunn murder…
But..
There is loud music in the streets of San Bernardino..
In the form of guns, sirens, helicopters…etc..

W

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

You see color all the time.

I have eyes.

So why shouldn’t we finally get on your bandwagon?

I am thrilled that conservatives are finally being honest about their racial biases. It was tiresome to hear folks pretend that race didn’t exist, to pretend that the “old south” voters didn’t gradually become GOP voters. Everyone else knew that the GOP didn’t have a single new idea since Nixon outside of race baiting whites with welfare queens, “moochers” and “illegals.” Its been less and less effective since Clinton and this election the strategy finally crashed and burned. Which is why people like yourself are lashing out in anger. Which is why that dude in Key West killedl himself over Obama’s re-election, which is why Michael Dunn murdered Jordan Davis in cold blood for the crime of being young, black and male. White male anxiety is at an all time high because there’s been a shift in the nation’s demographics. I mean when you think about the way conservatives feshitize the founders it makes sense that the 2012 results would cause a collective freak out. You had a nation once led by slaveowners now being led by the formerly enslaved.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Why Sure Libfree! Read this Book, showing the complete dominance of Liberal thought, racial dominance of the Detroit City Government, White Flight dating back to the 1967 riots and on and on till Detroit became 95% black 70% illiterate and turned the “Pairs of the West” into the “Mogadishu of the West”. When they ran out of White tax money, they want to absorb the Suburbs (just like Obama) you liberal twit.

All too easy.

Bulletchaser on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Come on, they have Hardcore Pawn. Isn’t that worth SOMETHING?

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

White hispanics like you, or real hispanics?

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

“Lock your doors and load your guns”
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Reminds me of this one:
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canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM

If I’m not mistaken the ammo/magazine and handgun must be in separate contained portions of the car.

That’s California insanity for ya….an unloaded gun is good for what? A bookend…a paperweight?

California twits are worse than NJ or NY’s twits.

Twana on December 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Please explain the decline of Detroit from World War II through the height of the present day crisis. Please cite policies and economic trends that back up your assertion that “black culture” is the cause of Detroit’s decline.

WTF? Policies and economic trends? You can’t see any economic trends in Detroit since it’s become a black majority city? I’m not going to argue with someone that won’t see the obvious.

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

White hispanics like you, or real hispanics?

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

You’re as bad as Ernesto and his race-baiting.

Would you say the same about mixed ethnicity or mixed-race blacks? Hispanic is not a hue.

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

It was tiresome to hear folks pretend that race didn’t exist,

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Is affirmative action a direct form of racism?

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

I am thrilled that conservatives are finally being honest about their racial biases.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

If only “white will embrace what is right” – as told during the friggin inauguration by a racist retarded leftist (but I repeat myself). You idiots live on nothing but Race/Class/Gender … like good little marxists, and you love to try to make everyone else out to be as terrible and retarded as you are.

I’m still waiting for you to get back to me with those crime stats. Leftists love stats about racial groups. You idiots use them all the time (incorrectly – big surprise) in your ridiculous “disparate impact” cases. Here’s your chance to use them correctly. What’s stopping you? You love race and statistics.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Twana on December 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Exactly. There is a booming business in stash-spots for high-end autos. But I wouldn’t know anything about that.

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

You had a nation once led by slaveowners now being led by the formerly enslaved.

Bring it on…I’m sure it’s only a matter of time.

Twana on December 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

The silence in response from other conservatives clearly shows that Liam and lowandslow represent your beliefs. Is this accurate?

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Please provide a link to correspondence you wrote to the POTUS detailing your disgust with his use of the term “typical white person”, his choice of inauguration pastor who said “when white makes right”, and his decision to have Joe “clean and articulate black person” to be his veep.

If you did NOT contact the WH about these racially insensitive choices and remarks then they obviously represent your beliefs. Is this accurate?

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

The term rednecks is racist.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I, on the other hand, will simply offer up Thomas Sugrue’s masterful book “The Origins of the Urban Crisis” available on amazon. Its something every conservative should read.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Buck fooks, libfree. I didn’t need to read “Against Our Will” to know that rape is a horrible crime against women, deserving the death penalty. And I bet YOU would argue against the justice imposed for the capitol crime.

You sandbag liberal, you.

Seriously–if you need to read a book to finalize an opinion, you’re worthless. I’m of the view that experience and plain old news reports are more valuable for personal influence. It’s because of events in the 1980s that I stopped being such an arch liberal and, over time, became Conservative.

Unlike you–a self-presumed ‘intellectual’–I wasn’t locked in at the time.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I am thrilled that conservatives are finally being honest about their racial biases. It was tiresome to hear folks pretend that race didn’t exist, to pretend that the “old south” voters didn’t gradually become GOP voters.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

You are still alone in your racist..
If there are so called conservatives that are biased…
So be it..
Not much we can do..
But most of us never had to make a decision to accept..
Since we already accepted..
Years ago.

And we didn’t need leftist media to spread the word..
(Even though they wouldn’t)
The word was already known..

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Gotcha. Bishop can’t have all the fun.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

You’re as bad as Ernesto and his race-baiting.

Would you say the same about mixed ethnicity or mixed-race blacks? Hispanic is not a hue.

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

ROFL

That one went flying right over your head.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

You had a nation once led by slaveowners now being led by the formerly enslaved.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

The fact that we are not nation aside, there are no former slaves; they’re long dead. I have no idea to whom you’re referring.

Dante on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Gotcha. Bishop can’t have all the fun.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

You landed him quick enough, is he a keeper?

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Why Sure Libfree! Read this Book, showing the complete dominance of Liberal thought, racial dominance of the Detroit City Government, White Flight dating back to the 1967 riots and on and on till Detroit became 95% black 70% illiterate and turned the “Pairs of the West” into the “Mogadishu of the West”. When they ran out of White tax money, they want to absorb the Suburbs (just like Obama) you liberal twit.

All too easy.

Bulletchaser on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

If the book is claiming that white flight began after the 1967 riot than all credibility is lost. The census does not have a liberal bias.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Pigs get fatter, hogs get slaughtered.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

The term rednecks is racist.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

+1

Yep. That and the n-word with an “a.”

I don’t give a crap if you use it to “empower” yourself or whatever. At least acknowledge that it is racially-loaded and is likely to offend many people in earshot.

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM

You landed him quick enough, is he a keeper?

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Naw. First catch o’ the day gets thrown back in tribute to you. They don’t call it getting “Bishoped” for nothin’.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

I have eyes.
libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

You might well have eyes. But it’s your brain that isn’t just blind, but also ignorant.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

ROFL

That one went flying right over your head.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Won’t be the first or last bit of humor to pass me by.

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

You had a nation once led by slaveowners now being led by the formerly enslaved.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I’m a Jew. We were formerly enslaved. Big whoop. And we were treated worse just 70 years ago in Europe than ANYONE has ever been, so get off your low horse, imbecile.

I’m still waiting on the stats from you. Tell me what the numbers say to you. I know that you probably don’t understand too much math (as you enjoy being led by a guy with the mathematical sophistication of a slow 8th grader) but give it a shot, anyway. Tell me what “disparate action” you find in violent crime … and leave the stupid “formerly enslaved” stuff out.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

…you just get dumber and dumber!…soon…when you’ve been here as long as ernesto you’ll be babbling like him………….oh wait!

KOOLAID2 on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Seriously–if you need to read a book to finalize an opinion, you’re worthless.

God you’re sad. You do research to LEARN. Of course, one does need to examine the quality of the research involved. If a book on Detroit’s decline begins in 1967, you know that’s a political decision. It doesn’t actually talk about Detroit’s decline from an Arsenal of Democracy since the World War II industrial plants were shut down and converted to manufacturing operations in all white suburban areas between the War and the 1950s. Long before the 1967 riot.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

The census does not have a liberal bias.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Sure it does. How about that racial/ethnic Bingo that shapes federal policy and spending.

Capitalist Hog on December 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Naw. First catch o’ the day gets thrown back in tribute to you. They don’t call it getting “Bishoped” for nothin’.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Still, only 3 comments separated the bait and the strike…impressive. You win an award, a belt of .50 BMG ammunition.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I’m a Jew. We were formerly enslaved.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

When was that?

Dante on December 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

If the book is claiming that white flight began after the 1967 riot than all credibility is lost. The census does not have a liberal bias.

libfreeordie on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

In began long before that, so what’s your point?

lowandslow on December 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

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