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posted at 10:11 pm on December 3, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

House Republicans sent a counterproposal to avert the “fiscal cliff” to the White House on Monday outlining a $4.6 trillion deficit reduction proposal without raising tax rates on the wealthiest Americans.

The proposal is based on a framework outlined last year by former Clinton White House chief of staff Erskine Bowles, who co-chaired President Obama’s debt commission, and included an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare benefits. Republicans did not offer specific language on raising the age in their proposal Monday, but Bowles has publicly supported raising the age to 67.Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, also discussed gradually raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 during their unsuccessful talks on deficit reduction in 2011.

“What we’re putting forth is a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the White House and I would hope that they would respond in a timely and responsible way,” Boehner told reporters.

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The White House on Monday dismissed a Republican counteroffer to avert the so-called fiscal cliff as failing to “meet the test of balance” by resisting higher tax rates for the wealthy, a point that remains a key hurdle in the impasse over spending and revenues.

Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director, said in a statement that what congressional Republicans had billed as a “good-faith effort” to move toward compromise contained “nothing new” and offered no specifics on how they’d achieve revenue targets included in the plan.

“Until the Republicans in Congress are willing to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates, we won’t be able to achieve a significant, balanced approach to reduce our deficit,” Pfeiffer said in the statement, released two hours after details of the GOP offer emerged.

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“While I’m flattered the Speaker would call something ‘the Bowles plan,’ the approach outlined in the letter Speaker Boehner sent to the President does not represent the Simpson-Bowles plan, nor is it the Bowles plan,” Bowles said in a statement released by the Moment of Truth Project. “In my testimony before the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, I simply took the mid-point of the public offers put forward during the negotiations to demonstrate where I thought a deal could be reached at that time. The Joint Select Committee failed to reach a deal, and circumstances have changed since then. It is up to negotiators to figure out where the middle ground is today.”

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House Speaker John Boehner is trying to call a mulligan. …

Bowles went on to outline what came to be known as the “Bowles plan.” Calling it a plan, though, is probably a bit generous: It was mostly an exercise in taking the Republican position and the Democratic position and dividing by two. …

… That’s the plan Boehner offered the White House on Monday. It’s progress. If you ignore the first nine paragraphs in his letter to President Obama — nine paragraphs in which he vents about the White House and rehashes the virtues of the Ryan budget — it’s a far more centrist proposal than anything Boehner has offered in public before now. But it’s essentially identical to what he offered in his talks with Obama, and to what Bowles offered Republicans during the supercommittee talks. Which is understandable. Those deals must be looking pretty good to Boehner about now.

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Republicans will cave on the question of raising the tax rate for the highest-income Americans. The only question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. …

The GOP moved an inch in that direction Monday. In a letter to President Obama, Speaker John Boehner and the House Republican leadership proposed $800 billion in new tax revenues, along with about $1.4 trillion in combined cuts to entitlements and discretionary spending. But the GOP still resisted any increase in tax rates, which they “continue to oppose and will not agree to.” …

Doing that would forestall the Democratic attack that the GOP will not bend on tax rates. Instead, it would be the president who’s not bending. Of course, Obama — and many in the media — would find other grounds to attack Republicans. But since the GOP is ultimately going to relent on the top tax rate, why not do it when it has some benefit?

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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I heard what the Congressman (van Hollen) said and it is clear they are (Democrats) not serious at all about entitlements. which, as the president himself said, that is where the money is. On Social Security he denied that there’s any effect on the deficit at all. …

It’s surprising to me that the president, essentially, who could get revenues he wants from the deductions and exclusions, but insists on rates not for economic reasons but political. He wants to break the backs of Republicans. This is a continuation of his campaign. He thinks he is won it and now he wants to drive a stake through the Republicans. It’s all about the politics; it’s nothing about the economics.

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It could be the most awkward office Christmas party of the year.

With partisan debate over the “fiscal cliff” becoming more acrimonious by the day, President Obama will play host tonight to House Speaker John Boehner and members of Congress for the season’s first White House holiday reception. …

There are no planned meetings this week between Obama, Boehner or other key figures in the “fiscal cliff” negotiations. The sweeping package of automatic, across-the-board tax hikes and deep spending cuts will take effect in 29 days unless both sides reach a deal.

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KCB on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Second?

KCB on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Too lazy to try for the record.

KCB on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Third

Philly on December 3, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Dang

Philly on December 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

compromise contained “nothing new” and offered no specifics on how they’d achieve revenue targets included in the plan.

pot….kettle

cmsinaz on December 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I’m starting to think “Abundance” is an existential problem for progressives. All today’s threads are coming together in my head that way, anyway. It might be that Abundance is the mortal enemy of Progressivism.

It needs want, even if it has to create it.

Kill, steal, destroy.

Hm

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

So… are Michelle and Barry going to take separate planes to Hawaii this year?

Fallon on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

It’s all about the politics; it’s nothing about the economics.

Maybe he doubts the reality of the economics?

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM

There are no planned meetings this week between Obama, Boehner

natch

cmsinaz on December 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM

The Republicans should introduce two seperate bill for a vote:

Bill # 1: Extend the Bush tax cuts up to $ 200,000 for individuals and $ 250,000 for couples. This will pass Congress and Obama will sign it.

Bill # 2: Extend the Bush tax cuts also for those making above $ 200,000 individuals and $ 250,000 for couples. This will pass the House, the Republicans will vote for it in the Senate, may be some democrats in the Senate will and the bill may pass the Senate… But for certain Obama would veto it… This would increase the taxes on the jobs creators and further tank the economy… Obama and the democrats will own this mess…

mnjg on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

It might be that Abundance is the mortal enemy of Progressivism.

It needs want, even if it has to create it.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Want and envy are created by telling the masses what is and isn’t “fair.”

We are the 98%.

Fallon on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

“In my testimony before the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, I simply took the mid-point of the public offers put forward during the negotiations to demonstrate where I thought a deal could be reached at that time. The Joint Select Committee failed to reach a deal, and circumstances have changed since then. It is up to negotiators to figure out where the middle ground is today.”

It’s go time, men. Remember your training. Make every shot count! Aim at the half-way point between us and the enemy, and may God defend the right!

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

This would increase the taxes on the jobs creators and further tank the economy… Obama and the democrats will own this mess…

mnjg on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Yes, because Obama really owns Benghazi and Fast and Furious and even the current economic conditions. Somehow it’ll be the Republicans fault. Or Bush’s fault. Or a hurricane sandys fault (which would have been worse if not for Obama!)

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

mnjg on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Re your Bill # 1 why don’t these people want to do their patriotic duty like those making over 200/250K?

txmomof6 on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Notwithstanding all the over rated ones in Washington D.C.
“We the People” will have our say as the owners of the U.S.A deal.”

Little they care now, but when we do not pay the toll they require to remain in our homes and care for our families, they too will come to know the real deal about who is on first.

We sign the f’n pay checks and they seen to have forgoten that simple little fact.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I am shooting for Last..

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

“Until the Republicans in Congress are willing to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates, we won’t be able to achieve a significant, balanced approach to reduce our deficit,” Pfeiffer said in the statement, released two hours after details of the GOP offer emerged.

I said this many times before the last election and during it — and even before and during the first Obama campaign — that it isn’t so much ‘THE ECONOMY’ or “revenues” per se that is their objective BUT WHAT IS THE SOCIALIST OBJECTIVE IS further destruction of Capitalism as our economic model and the TURN OF THE U.S. from a Republic to a COmmunist “democracy”.

THe OBJECTIVE requires this “change” be made of “higher taxes” (on “the wealthy” as also on everyone via regulations and forced engagement in socialist programs) but it’s the CHANGE itself that is the goal.

Obama NEEDS to be “right” here to protect his MoveOn-Soros-DNC-Communist-Socialist position. He “needs” to be affirmed as being “right” on this idea (“more taxes from the wealthy”) BECAUSE IT AFFIRMS THE “CHANGE” INVOLVED (see above two paragraphs).

Should a free economy win (no more taxes, if anything, lower them and reduce regulations to encourage a Capitalist economy), that’ll mean that the Commie-Obama-Train has failed to chug farther along than desired and Obama will be shown up.

So it’s not just his awful ego involved but the entire Left who NEEDS this domination of others via this method of raising taxes, especially on people who have earned wealth. It’s called a “levelling” of worth, or otherwise, “redistribution”.

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I am shooting for Last..

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

EPIC FAIL

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I’m at peace with the cliff. No one is going to say that the Republicans really wanted to raise taxes. If I’m going to pay more tax, everyone else should too. And the defense cuts will be reversed the second something goes boom.

xuyee on December 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM

And can EVERYONE stop acting like there’s some math formula that will accurately measure how much the government will receive in future tax revenues based on new rates? Because there isn’t — human behavior isn’t linear. Chances are, we’ll receive much less in “revenue” with tax rate increases then Obama expects. How much? Who knows?

Anyone else remember the Laffer curve? Add all taxes (income + FICA + state income + property + sales + fuel tax (and the added cost to everything we buy due to the tax) + tolls + sin taxes etc… Which side of the Laffer curve do you think we’re on?

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

EPIC FAIL

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I already failed at First..

I at least have a shot for last..

:)

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

“We the People” are the U.S.A.’s net worth.

“We the People” are the U.S.A. cash flow.

Keep it simple, put it in these dumb ass’s face over and over.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

So… are Michelle and Barry going to take separate planes to Hawaii this year?

Fallon on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

She appears to have “reappeared” in media lately after having liposuction on the bottom half. Which would explain her absence from media in the prior month or more (round about mid August, she disappeared from media).

The giant jaw has receded…

Barack’s nose has slimmed down and his face experienced a big lift prior to his 2008 campaign…

These two are certainly enjoying all that stash, aren’t they?

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

The GOP should go over the cliff, because the donks will want to halt it and kick the can immediately. Call the bluff.

Philly on December 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Some of the people who write here at Hot Air and other conservative points, claim Rep. Chris van Hollen is a super guy.

Ask him to do something super, I say.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Too lazy to try for the record.

KCB on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

It requires an inconspicuous HA server blackout….
A connection to AP..
And some cat treats..

Trust me..

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Obama and the democrats will own this mess…

mnjg on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Doubtful and nope. We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately… Separately hanging those above a randomly selected symbollic amount (demonizing them, calling them “millionaires,” etc.) while a majority of others are given the continued benefit of lower taxes is absurd.

Fallon on December 3, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

It may be the left coast influence, I can attest to it having an effect.

There are some quite ugly rich people in Chi town.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

… This would increase the taxes on the jobs creators and further tank the economy… Obama and the democrats will own this mess…

mnjg on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

The Liberal Media with it’s 24/7 propaganda will make the population “learn” that the mess is due to Bush, Palin, Reagan, Boehner, Nixon, Limbaugh, FOX News, Hannity, Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, Trent Lott, Joe the Plumber, Romney, Santorum, Texas, Gun Owners, Evil White Males and un-aborted fetuses.

sentinelrules on December 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

And can EVERYONE stop acting like there’s some math formula that will accurately measure how much the government will receive in future tax revenues based on new rates? Because there isn’t — human behavior isn’t linear. Chances are, we’ll receive much less in “revenue” with tax rate increases then Obama expects. How much? Who knows?

Anyone else remember the Laffer curve? Add all taxes (income + FICA + state income + property + sales + fuel tax (and the added cost to everything we buy due to the tax) + tolls + sin taxes etc… Which side of the Laffer curve do you think we’re on?

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

We can all expect another rendition of Obama’s “shellacking” performance, if the higher taxes do go into effect after the GOP caves or at least allows this to set in.

Somehow, nothing ever works out to support Obama’s lofty teleprompter performed promises and he is excused because he shows up afterward with feigned “surprise” and enacted perplexion and goes “awww, shucks, who could have known…”

He knows, he plays with reality like it’s his kitten in his freezer.

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

:)

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

lol — I’d say something like “I’ll never allow it,” but thinking about where that war would go, checking back into the thread every year and just trying to out-live each other . . .

Exhausting. I give. Good luck. :)

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

This is a continuation of his campaign. He thinks he is won it and now he wants to drive a stake through the Republicans. It’s all about the politics; it’s nothing about the economics.

Yep. This whole debate has boiled down to the second term version of “I won.” The filthy rat-eared wonder is unwilling to compromise because he thinks the people are behind him. Hitler wasn’t this delusional just before he offed himself.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 10:35 PM

1. Snaps to Boehner for doing something politically smooth. Apparently Hot Air does have alot of influence.
2. The whole situation suggests that Obama is definitely a vindictive jerk. However, this heartens me. I think that Obama the vindictive jerk might end up leading to the next R Presidency. Bush overreached in his second term, but he did so to save Social Security. Obama’s rubbing it in the Rs face just because and demanding that they go against their principles for giggles. Bush ended up getting screwed; hopefully Obama will get more screwed.

Illinidiva on December 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

So,Boehner is saying,Where Still NoWhere,lets
go back in time,and see if anything has changed,

by dealing with the Snakes!!
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Boehners Tweet
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It’s become sadly evident to me that the White House and Senate Democrats are just not serious yet about enacting real spending cuts
8:25 AM Apr 5th via TweetDeck

johnboehner
John Boehner

http://twitter.com/johnboehner/status/55289849791524864#

canopfor on April 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

It may be the left coast influence, I can attest to it having an effect.

There are some quite ugly rich people in Chi town.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I find it remarkable how it is that those who position to lead among Communists are always the ones with the fanciest tastes and indulgences and ready access to other people’s money.

Never fails, can’t name one Communist/Socialist dominator who wasn’t like that, or became like that once lauded as leader.

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

There are some quite ugly rich people in Chi town.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

“Rev.” Wright with his million+dollar house BEHIND A WALLED encapment, err, “community”…

Oh, yeah, it’s all about the poor, riiight, Mr. Screacher.

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I’m starting to think “Abundance” is an existential problem for progressives. All today’s threads are coming together in my head that way, anyway. It might be that Abundance is the mortal enemy of Progressivism.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Dead nuts on. When people have abundance (and believe me, in this country, we have abundance when even the poorest among us have TV sets, cars, and electricity), they don’t need government — especially when the economy is doing well and unemployment is low. The dems saw that in the 2000 to 2006, so they had to create envy, lust for what others have and then with the democrat induced housing crisis, got the economic crisis they needed to make people dependent on government. That’s what it is all about for them, a needy population is a population that they control and from which they can derive power. If they have to eliminate the middle class and turn us into another Mexico with a very poor and a very rich class dual class economy in order to remain in power and control, they are absolutely behind whatever plan will make that happen. The middle class is a problem as far as the dems are concerned (despite their rhetoric to the contrary), middle class people are independent and free-thinkers. Can’t have that in a progressive society.

AZfederalist on December 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Obama and the commmie Democrats want to securitize our lives via a write down of our assets then put U.S. all on a made in China tredmill for the rest of our lives and childrens/childrens lives.

Just say no.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Speaking of Boehner and **NoWhere**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Boehner: ‘We’re Nowhere’ on Fiscal Cliff Talks

Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:16am
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With less than a month to go, House Speaker John Boehner said White House and GOP negotiators have made no progress on talks to avert the “fiscal cliff.”

“I would say we’re nowhere.

Period. We’re nowhere,”

Boehner (R-Ohio) said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”
(More….)
==========

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/john-boehner-were-nowhere-on-fiscal-cliff-talks/

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

This is a continuation of his campaign. He thinks he is won it and now he wants to drive a stake through the Republicans. It’s all about the politics

The saddest thing about the GOP is that they don’t take the Donks/Left at thier word.

Did they think “vote for revenge” was a throwaway line?

Willful blindness.

Bruno Strozek on December 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Somehow, nothing ever works out to support Obama’s lofty teleprompter performed promises and he is excused because he shows up afterward with feigned “surprise” and enacted perplexion and goes “awww, shucks, who could have known…”

He knows, he plays with reality like it’s his kitten in his freezer.

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I think it’s becoming increasingly obvious that the country has chosen to vote benefits for themselves without worrying about the cost to the future. It’s not that people can’t understand or don’t hear about what’s happening, it’s that they don’t want to give up THEIR money and the programs they like. And this is how we will go down… fighting for scraps.

So, yeah, raising taxes on the rich might not raise too much additional revenue, but it’ll provide for a nice scape goat (always claiming the rich don’t pay their ‘fair share’), get some class envy brewing up, and give hope to the stupid that they will get some of that extra money coming in.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Spending is so out of control that the future of this Country is threatened…

… but they have time to throw a party, but no one will be talking to each other.

Thanks “press” for covering for your boyfriend…

… I wonder what you will be writing about when the money in your pocket is worthless and you have to feed your family?

Burn it…

… All the way to the ground!

Seven Percent Solution on December 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

sadly evident to me that the White House and Senate Democrats are just not serious yet about enacting real spending cuts

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Notice that little “yet” in there? Sticks out somehow. :) A politician knows when to whip out yer “yet.”

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I don’t believe a word Boehner says…

, GOP LEADERS PURGE CONSERVATIVES FROM POWERFUL COMMITTEES UPDATE: BOEHNER SCOFFS

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/03/Boehner-GOP-leaders-purge-conservatives-from-powerful-House-committees

idesign on December 3, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Our only asset is our lives.

They seek to take our lives, day, by day, hour by hour, min. my min. they attempt to drain U.S. of our lives.

They have 30% of our lives now in taxing, they seek now 60% and that will not make them whole, they will end up seeking all.

Just say no.

All we have is life and freedom.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

…how come…it has come to the point…that I now want to cry…everytime I see Bonehead is involved?

KOOLAID2 on December 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Hello

KCB on December 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Don’t bother running, .338 Lapua runs faster.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Did they think “vote for revenge” was a throwaway line?

Willful blindness.

Bruno Strozek on December 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Oh yes sir they did. For way too many years repubs have thought “oh its just politics.” Meanwhile dems would slit your throat and laugh at the mess.

Sorry but when a dem says on the floor of the House/Senate or TV that repubs want slavery, dirty water, air, dead granny and hungry chirren, I ain’t going to have dinner, golf or party with them.
But obviously that’s just me.

arnold ziffel on December 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

The dems saw that in the 2000 to 2006, so they had to create envy, lust for what others have and then with the democrat induced housing crisis, got the economic crisis they needed to make people dependent on government. That’s what it is all about for them, a needy population is a population that they control and from which they can derive power. If they have to eliminate the middle class and turn us into another Mexico with a very poor and a very rich class dual class economy in order to remain in power and control, they are absolutely behind whatever plan will make that happen. The middle class is a problem as far as the dems are concerned (despite their rhetoric to the contrary), middle class people are independent and free-thinkers. Can’t have that in a progressive society.

AZfederalist on December 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

You give the progressives far too much credit. I don’t think the vast majority — Obama included — realize what their policies will actually do. I think they believe in the same garbage I was lectured at about in college. Basically, they believe that government spending — in any form — boost aggregate demand, which will boost gdp thus improving the economy. So when consumer or investment spending slows, money should be spent by government to compensate.
They also believe in the inherent unfairness and hatefulness of America, especially middle America in fly-over country, which is full of a bunch of ignorant Jesus lovers, and the South, which is full of a bunch of redneck racists.
Add these two together, and you get the policies of the Democrat party. They are nowhere NEAR smart enough to come up with such a devious plot, much less execute it quietly.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Good grief, refer to Obysmal’s game as a reversion to the Clinton tax rates, where everyone (not just the two percent) pay their “fair share.” Then insist that spending must revert to the same levels if we are to avoid bankruptcy.

Make Obysmal own an association with Clinton and the rates that all taxpayers paid.

onlineanalyst on December 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Look (or one of them) magazine did a spread on “If Hitler Had Won WWII”. December 19, 1951

Hitler would bring the same confiscation of private property and poverty to the wealthy US that he brought to Europe….The state would monopolize areas of life Americans were used to controlling or at least having a voice in…

I have been remembering seeing that issue in a library. Are we living something like it?

Ha. I just went and bought the last issue available online. Boy did I pay.

Memories I don’t have. My has the media changed:

In it:

- Wild series of photos of Willy Finder and his family leaping to freedom from a fifth story window on the East German – West German line, into a net, all made it OK.
- The three joys of Christmas : children, food, gifts.
- FBI school for police, including James Johnson, regional pages.
- Sue Knappenberger of Detroit, Michigan is one of the new girl guides to the 60 story banking center, they give tours by helicopter, regional pages.
- Dowsers, dowsing for water.
- Little Roger Lewis and a baby bird Fairy Tern, Gleeper.
- Samuel H. Miller, Dean of Harvard’s Divinity School tells what we can believe.
- Full page color AC Spark Plugs ad with cute art of kids by Whitney Darrow, jr.
- An 18th century Christmas today, Williamsburg, Virginia, Debbie Walklet, Richard Walklet.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

House Republicans sent a counterproposal to avert the “fiscal cliff” to the White House on Monday outlining a $4.6 trillion deficit reduction proposal without raising tax rates on the wealthiest Americans.

Is the EPA going to protect this endangered species?

No?

Didn’t think so.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

It was 1961.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

OH SH*T…..the WORLD HAS LOST ITS F’kn Mind……

************************RED ALERT ***************************

UN calls on Israel to open nuclear program for inspection; backs talks on nuclear-free Mideast – @AP

10 mins ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
======================================================

By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, December 3, 10:31 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/un-calls-on-israel-to-open-nuclear-program-for-inspection-backs-talks-on-nuke-free-mideast/2012/12/03/120553e2-3dc3-11e

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

There are no planned meetings this week between Obama, Boehner or other key figures in the “fiscal cliff” negotiations.

What are they doing, Christmas parties all week?

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 10:53 PM

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Bibi to UN – pound sand

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Add these two together, and you get the policies of the Democrat party. They are nowhere NEAR smart enough to come up with such a devious plot, much less execute it quietly.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Lots of people think it’s deliberate. For some people it obviously is; we could quote Alinsky (or Marx). — But I agree with you that it’s more like dissonance for an ocean of progressives. Out here, it’s like being hugged to death by people that won’t believe their hugging is killing people, even when you draw them a picture (“You get that picture from Fox News or something?”).

The middle class is a problem as far as the dems are concerned (despite their rhetoric to the contrary), middle class people are independent and free-thinkers. Can’t have that in a progressive society.

AZfederalist on December 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

A bunch of rungs in the ladder are being removed, and the top half actually gets to keep climbing, and the bottom half gets to . . . pile up. They are creating their (previously) imaginary tiered society. And I think they are good with that, other rationale accepted, because they fancy themselves Nobility to begin with. Same reason they like tyrants and tyrannical power — in their minds, they are the Court.

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

So… are Michelle and Barry going to take separate planes to Hawaii this year?

Fallon on December 3, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Well, if I were either of them, I would not wish to speak to the other one, far less to travel with them. But, assuming they are each other’s love of all time, ahem, they would take separate jets anyway. Why? Because they can.

By the way, when the president flies, there’s always an identical Air Force One that must fly out with him, for diversionary and/or safe-back reasons, and at least one C-130 to carry all the land vehicles and security equipment as well. So, we’re talking about a lot more than a couple of planes and a few hundred personnel involved, on both air and land.

TXUS on December 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Bibi to UN – pound sand

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

If there is any left.

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM

sadly evident to me that the White House and Senate Democrats are just not serious yet about enacting real spending cuts

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Notice that little “yet” in there? Sticks out somehow. :) A politician knows when to whip out yer “yet.”

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Axe:

Oooh nice observation,after posting this item,well over 10 times,
I was oblivious to it,….thank-you!:O

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Lots of people think it’s deliberate. For some people it obviously is; we could quote Alinsky (or Marx). — But I agree with you that it’s more like dissonance for an ocean of progressives. Out here, it’s like being hugged to death by people that won’t believe their hugging is killing people, even when you draw them a picture (“You get that picture from Fox News or something?”).

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

You couldn’t have THAT many people in on an “insider secret” without it spilling out eventually. Very few “progressives” have heard of Cloward-Piven or read Alinksy…

I’m younger, I was in school fairly recently, and what progressives believe is like… gospel to them. History is taught the same way science is taught, these are the facts, and everything is taught with a progressive tint. Columbus slaughtered natives and ruined the virgin new world by eventually leading dirty disgusting europeans and the slave trade to the new world. vietnam was america being aggressive and irrationaly scared of communism… etc, etc., these are world views that are ingrained in people from birth. It’s very hard to over come deep felt faiths… as hard as it would be to turn a pious christian to atheism.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Anybody hear anything from Allah P..?

d1carter on December 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

OH SH*T…..the WORLD HAS LOST ITS F’kn Mind……

************************RED ALERT ***************************

UN calls on Israel to open nuclear program for inspection; backs talks on nuclear-free Mideast – @AP

10 mins ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
======================================================

By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, December 3, 10:31 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/un-calls-on-israel-to-open-nuclear-program-for-inspection-backs-talks-on-nuke-free-mideast/2012/12/03/120553e2-3dc3-11e

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

drama queen

Dante on December 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

So, we’re talking about a lot more than a couple of planes and a few hundred personnel involved, on both air and land.

TXUS on December 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

$180,000 per hour just for Air Force One. And pity the surrounding neighbors in Hawaii who will be inconvenienced during their holiday.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

This is not going to end good..imho..:(

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Anybody hear anything from Allah P..?

d1carter on December 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Holiday per Ed.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

d1carter on December 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Capt. Ed said Allah is on vacation..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

It’s very hard to over come deep felt faiths…

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Don’t bother. Just quit.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

What the h*ll is wrong with McCain? (Rhetorical question #5968387)
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/03/mccain-gets-fed-up-with-fellow-republican-says-lends-some-credence-to-idea-of-filibuster-reform/

onlineanalyst on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Holiday per Ed.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Capt. Ed said Allah is on vacation..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Thanks. Had me worried…

d1carter on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

What are they doing, Christmas parties all week?

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Yes, a different party around each of the 54 Christmas trees in the White House.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Meanwhile………………

US ‘fiscal cliff’ warning
topic
*******

Officials say offer Boehner submitted to White House on Monday wasn’t serious enough to merit a counter-proposal – @PoliticalTicker

2 hours ago from politicalticker.blogs.nn.com by editor
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@frankthorpNBC tweeted:
frankthorpNBC
@NancyPelosi stmt re: GOP fiscal cliff offer: GOP “proposal is another assault on the middle class, seniors, and our future”

5 hours ago from twitter.com by editor

https://twitter.com/NancyPelosi
================================

@markknoller tweeted:
markknoller
Pfeiffer says until Republicans are willing “to get serious” about higher tax rates for wealthiest, we can’t achieve a balanced approach.

6 hours ago from twitter.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-fiscal-cliff-warning

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

d1carter on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Good evening….:) We (GOP) find ourselves in a pretty pickle..:(

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Let it go over the cliff and let it stay there. Time to tell O that if there’ s no deal by 1 Jan 2013, well then, there’s no deal by 2015 either.

FerdtheMoonCat on December 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

MeanWhile Part Deux!

More: Republican deficit proposal calls for $800 billion in tax increases – @WSJbreakingnews

8 hours ago from online.wsj.com by editor
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Republicans say proposal to avert fiscal cliff would achieve a net savings of $2.2 trillion – @NBCFirstRead

8 hours ago from firstread.nbcnews.com by editor
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In Twitter Q&A, Obama says there’s ‘room to negotiate’ on revenue increases, spending cuts in fiscal cliff talks – @MarketWatch

8 hours ago from blogs.marketwatch.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-fiscal-cliff-warning

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Hi Scrumpy.

It’s been fun sexting with you. I’ll send you pics of mine if you send me more pics of yours.

Hehe.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Thanks for the links..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

What cliff?

Life is good.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

onlineanalyst on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Someone should tell John McCain that we are fed up with him. He is the poster child for term limits.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Wow. Moochelle is the worlds ugliest Hippocritter.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

An O/T question for you: Did your family celebrate a Christmas Eve event, whose name I cannot recall?

Out of curiosity, I attended one this weekend sponsored by a group of Slovak community members from a Catholic church. We had the traditional meal and entertainment which involved folk dress, music in the native language, dancing, and skits that retold the celebrations of assorted feast days in December. There was a delightful tale about the shepherds who brought their gifts to the Christ child.

onlineanalyst on December 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

The obamas had 54 Christmas trees. Pigs.

H/t Schad.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

SOoooooooooooooooooooooooo,about those taxes,
has Hopey and Staff,paid there taxes yet!


36 Obama aides owe $833,000 in back taxes
Posted 01/26/2012 08:18 AM ET
*****************************

http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/012612-599002-obama-white-house-staff-back-taxes.htm

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/26/great-news-the-fair-share-administration-owes-over-800000-in-back-taxes/

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Let Obama go over the cliff, heads down

If Obama considers the self-destruction of his presidency “winning,” he’s the Charlie Sheen of American politics.

Third, once we go over the fiscal cliff and tax rates go up for every American taxpayer, we are likely to see a good old-fashioned tax revolt. When is the last time Democrats came out ahead in a tax revolt? Republicans will be able to outbid Democrats in any proposed tax cuts.

—————

Heh, Sparky!v

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Life is good.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

As Treacher says, “almost a tree for each state..” Heh.

d1carter on December 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Bibi to UN – pound sand

gophergirl on December 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Bibi to UN…

“Come and get them!”

Seven Percent Solution on December 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

The obamas had 54 Christmas trees. Pigs.

SparkPlug on December 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

While they’re in HI, on taxpayers’ dole, the harlots, driving their neighbors nuts, with lots of hoodlums in tow.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Boehner and the rest of the Republicans had better find a way to make their proposals palatable to the middle class and use the phrase repeatedly. They have to provide examples of how Obysmal and the Dems are jeopardizing and ultimately destroying the middle class.

onlineanalyst on December 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Thanks for the links..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Dire Straits:Great to see you as well,is everything tickty-boo,er
hows everything going————————-:)

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Yes, a different party around each of the 54 Christmas trees in the White House.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

…why aren’t there 57?…one for each State?

KOOLAID2 on December 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

As Treacher says, “almost a tree for each state..” Heh.

d1carter on December 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

50% more than last year, the circuses and clowns.

Mrs. Roosevelt is disgusted.

These are rats of the first order, leeches extraordinaires.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Ahem,..

Justice official cited for oversight failure in ‘Fast and Furious’ to resign – @PoliticalTicker

2 hours ago from politicalticker.blogs.nn.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/operation-fast-and-furious-inquiry

canopfor on December 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Obama is a charlatanic thug.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Best cartoon for our times.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I already failed at First..

I at least have a shot for last..

:)

Electrongod on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

You got to get up mighty late in the afternoon to get the last post in on the QOTD… ;p

SWalker on December 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

It could be the most awkward office Christmas party of the year.

I just hope Boehner spills his drink on Moochelle’s $100k frock…

Tim Zank on December 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Resist We Much on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

7. For Secretary of Education:

Senator Barbara “Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, ‘Thank God, I’m still alive.’ But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be the same again” Boxer.

14. For Ambassador to Vietnam:

Senator Richard “On a few occasions, I have misspoken about my service and I regret that. I take full responsibility. But I will not allow anyone to take a few misplaced words and impugn my record of service to our country” Blumenthal.

26. For Director of NASA:

Congressman Dennis “The energy of the stars becomes us. We become the energy of the stars becomes us. We become the energy of the star. Stardust and spirit unite and we begin: one with the universe, whole and holy. From one source, endless creative energy, bursting forth, kinetic, elemental; we, the earth, air, water, and fire-source of nearly fifteen billion years of cosmic spiraling” Kucinich.

Let’s call it “Emergency reserve plan B.” :)

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/12/im-nightmaring-of-gaian-non-christmas.html

Axe on December 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

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