Polls: Nation that re-elected Obama wants more spending cuts than tax hikes, still hates Obamacare

posted at 7:41 pm on December 3, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Look, I don’t even know anymore. I’m just gonna put these out there for you as yet another indication of how tough getting anywhere close to solving our deficit and debt problems is. It’s a nice complement to the latest in the fiscal cliff saga, in which allegedly intractable, unreasonable Republicans offer a Simpson-Bowles-like compromise that might actually come within a couple ballparks of acknowledging our debt problems while Democrats seem rather enthusiastic about cliff-diving and yet the press and public are determined to blame Republicans for going over.

Let’s see if that can change in the near future. Presumably it should if the press reports that a realistic compromise is on the table that— hey, looky here— aligns with the public’s and the press’ professed desires, but early signs show it’s being treated unseriously in the press. Heck, even a plurality of Obama voters want the deficit dealt with by making more spending cuts than tax hikes:

A survey of 800 Obama voters, conducted last month by Benenson Strategy Group for the moderate Democratic think tank Third Way and shared first with POLITICO, finds that 96 percent believe the federal deficit is a problem and that 85 percent support increasing taxes on the wealthy.

Yet 41 percent who supported the Democratic incumbent want to get control of the deficit mostly by cutting spending, with only some tax increases, while another 41 percent want to solve it mostly with tax increases and only some spending cuts.

Just 5 percent of Obama supporters favor tax increases alone to solve the deficit, half the number who back an approach that relies entirely on spending cuts.

Too bad they all voted for the man who’s offering a rather more unbalanced approach than Republicans. And, you read that right— double the number of Obama supporters want to deal with the deficit entirely by cutting spending than want to do it entirely by raising taxes.

In other news, voters still hate ObamaCare, especially independents:

Meanwhile, according to polling by CNN, registered voters oppose Obamacare by a margin of 10 points — 52 to 42 percent. Independents like Obamacare even less, opposing it by a margin of 22 points — 57 to 35 percent. Clearly, voters didn’t think they were ratifying Obamacare when they pulled the lever for Obama.

And, finally, “[f]or the first time in Gallup trends since 2000, a majority of Americans say it is not the federal government’s responsibility to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage.” Okay.

The shift away from the view that the government should ensure healthcare coverage for all began shortly after President Barack Obama’s election and has continued the past several years during the discussions and ultimate passage of the Affordable Care Act in March 2010. Americans are divided on that legislation today — 48% approve and 45% disapprove — as they have been over the last several years.

Republicans, including Republican-leaning independents, are mostly responsible for the drop since 2007 in Americans’ support for government ensuring universal health coverage. In 2007, 38% of Republicans thought the government should do so; now, 12% do. Among Democrats and Democratic leaners there has been a much smaller drop, from 81% saying the government should make sure all Americans are covered in 2007 to 71% now.

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A warning for Democrats prepared to use ObamaCare’s upcoming failures as a rationale for single-payer:

One thing that has not changed is that Americans still widely prefer a system based on private insurance to one run by the government. Currently, 57% prefer a private system and 36% a government-run system, essentially the same as in 2010 and 2011. Prior to the passage of the Affordable Care Act in 2010, the percentage of Americans in favor of a government-run system ranged from 32% to 41%.

Another redemptive data point for those who say nominating the one guy who couldn’t effectively argue against ObamaCare was a mistake. For the record, I agreed with that assessment, but also was unconvinced others didn’t have equal liabilities.

As the conventional wisdom has it, we are a nation divided— perhaps into multiple personalities.

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The Count on December 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

My BIL, a nice enough guy but diehard liberal watched his 401K tank under Obama yet just voted to reeelect him. The San Diego based pharmaceutical he’s worked with for over a decade just laid him off and they’re tanking too. In a nutshell they’re going under because shareholders aren’t willing to take a chance on a new product being developed. The funds to back would be considered venture capital. What with the economy they decide to cut and run.

When Mrs. Hawkdriver (not her real name) spoke with him on the phone after losing his job, he said he was still glad he voted for him, becasue … “He saved the auto industry”.

I take no pride in his pain but wth? This is what he voted for.

hawkdriver on December 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM

That is why we needed Rick Perry as our nominee and not Mittcare.

BroncosRock on December 3, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Oh yeah, Ricky would have done soooo much better I’m sure.

Once the American people really find out what is in Obamacare instead of just relying on the scare tactics of the fringe conservative movement, they will like it. Plain and simple
HotAirLib on December 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Oh, scare tactics like the old lady in the wheelchair being pushed over the cliff by Paul Ryan? You mean like that?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 4, 2012 at 12:52 AM

The only Obama voters who voted rationally were the ones who voted for him because they wanted things like free phones. That rationality may very well have been based on a lie–the giveaways may come to an end at some point in the foreseeable future–but the “takers” who really don’t care about ever holding down a job and who just want the government to provide everything for them were clearly voting for the guy who promised them things in line with their values.

Most of the other Obama voters based their vote purely on emotion–the good feelings from hearing Bill Clinton talk; the sense of moral superiority from “supporting” the environment, abortion, the first black president, and the poor; the rush of wicked glee from voting against icky Republicans (the thrilling vengeance involved in cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face); the joyful solidarity of being part of the “in” crowd–on the side of Hollywood leftists/journalists/tv show characters bashing anything remotely associated with Republican ideals (the more vulgar the references, the better); the comfort of just accepting without question the information presented by the major media outlets. These Obama voters–who now say they don’t necessarily want Obamacare and who hope the deficit can be addressed through spending cuts rather than tax hikes–probably had these same wants and hopes as they cast their foolish votes. But the emotional appeal of voting for Obama outweighed rationality. And if the Obama voters who were polled are like the Obama voters I know, a good number of them believe–despite all evidence to the contrary–that Obama will do exactly as they want/hope in terms of the economy. And if he doesn’t, it’s the Republicans’ fault.

butterflies and puppies on December 4, 2012 at 12:57 AM

hawkdriver on December 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Nice post..I see where you are going..:)

Dire Straits on December 4, 2012 at 2:06 AM

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 8:04 PM

You forgot Rick Perry = Jethro Bodine. Herman (nine,nine,nine) Cain = Big D#@k Blaque.

Red Creek on December 4, 2012 at 5:23 AM

hawkdriver on December 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Communist coated liberalism is a religion that is immune to reason or logic. When this country is on its last draw down the drain they’ll still be praising Obama. Marx and Lenin would have reveled at the state of this poor sick Republic.

rplat on December 4, 2012 at 6:35 AM

My take.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 6:38 AM

Polls are increasingly meaningless. I’m covinced that the majority of people answering these questions don’t know even know what they are talking about. Our nation is so polarized there isn’t even a realistic venue through which one could teach people what these things mean. While these blogs are filled with the voices of people with a genuine interest in the issues, the vast majority of Americans are not interested, they are uninformed, and when they are asked poll questions you end up with completely contradictory results (anyone noticed Obama’s +14 approval lately?)

In my estimation, conservatism’s next step needs to be a social movement (as opposed to a campaign which is always reduced to tarring a feathering the evil candidate). I’m just not sure we are good at “social movements” without them becomiing religious in nature.

mxt on December 4, 2012 at 7:09 AM

A warning for Democrats prepared to use ObamaCare’s upcoming failures as a rationale for single-payer:

LOL!!! Since when do the Democrats care a whit about trivial matters like that? And what options do you imagine will exist when the insurance industry collapses under the weight of Obamacare and all its new regulations? The public will be clamoring for any, quick solution.

ProfessorMiao on December 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Anyone who voted for Obama…

You proved you weren’t a racist when you voted for him in 2008…You proved you were an IDIOT when you voted for him again in 2012!

You have NO RIGHT to complain, B!t@h, whine, moan, or voice displeasure of any kind…you are getting exactly what you asked for! So shut up, get in the back of ‘the bus’, & ‘enjoy the ride’!

easyt65 on December 4, 2012 at 8:36 AM

ProfessorMiao on December 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM

that was the plan from the start….

conservative tarheel on December 4, 2012 at 8:39 AM

It is too late now… too late…

mnjg on December 4, 2012 at 8:41 AM

There is no party of limited government, the Bushes & every candidate in between has shown us that.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

This is a ramifiaction of outsourcing. The powers that be forgot the strongest enemy of socialism and communism is a strong middle class. When you ship all the jobs overseas that middle class disappears. TGhey you get a stratification of the working poor and the upper class. The movement from poor to middle class to wealthy is stopped as people are unable to provide for families. the government steps in gives then things. There are unseen costs to all economic programs. Outsourcing jobs NAFTA the WTO all have the effect of destroying the chance for regular people those without a college degree to have a shot at middle class american dream. A strong middle class wants limited government because 9 times out of 10 no matter what happens they are strong enough to care for themselves. When that finaqcial support is destroyed they are left to fend off the government or charity. Man loves to work. As long as he benifits form that work. If his job doesn’t provide him with what is needed he will by hook or by crook get what he and his family needs.

The commmunism and Marx knew this. To get full blown marxcism you must destroy the middle class and the insitutuion they hold dear. Jobs, faith, ability to protect ones self.

The internal enemy” of the proletarian Russian Revolution is constituted first and foremost by the lower middle classes. The expropriation of the expropriators being carried out at present does not represent the most serious obstacle in the path of proletarian dictatorship. In the path of the expropriation of capital the obstacles are of a purely objective nature. The small group of large capitalists has not the masses on its side, and therefore speedily becomes powerless in face of the armed proletariat. The lower middle classes of society, on the other hand, represent a considerable section of the population, especially in Russia — to say nothing of the propertied section of the peasantry. To reckon with the wishes of these lower middle classes would mean the halting half-way of the work of the Revolution: it would mean an end of the aspirations towards the destruction of capitalism.

Exactly because the lower middle-class mass is numerically large, it has retained an influence over the working-class movement. But every concession to this influence represents a departure from the Marxian standpoint, because it was precisely Marx who freed Socialism from lower middle-class adulterations.

The behaviour of the middle-class Socialist parties during the opening encounters and the final decisive struggle of the proletarian revolution doubly imposes on us the duty of recalling, on the occasion of the centenary of the birth of our first teacher, what his views were on the subject of the lower middle classes. And, though the representatives of various shades of lower middle-class Socialism are constantly referring to Marx, in reality there is no greater sacrilege than this.

Obama bush Clinton and Bush have done everything they could to destroy thelower middle class in this country and make them wards of the state.

unseen on December 4, 2012 at 8:49 AM

The sheeple have spoken!

NavyMustang on December 4, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Obama did talk like his “balanced approach” would be all things to all people, just like last time, he grabbed conservative buzz phrases, to say that he would do these things, he would just do them NICER than the republicans. Which candidate can relate to you???NotMittRomneyNotMittRomneyNotMittRomney.

Which candidate can read the mind and know the feelings of the middle class? NotMittRomneyNotMittRomney?

It is interesting that Obama won the “middle class” that doesn’t pay any taxes, that “Other” middle class, the one that likes food stamps and benefits and services that make them “feel” middle class,and is eligible for Pell grants.

Take a look at this chart: http://www.usatoday.com/interactives/news/politics/how-the-race-was-won

Obama won 89% of voters who think the economy is great.

Romney won the votes of the taxpaying middle class $50-100K by 52% and over $100K by 54-43.

If you are not paying taxes under George Bush’s tax rates YOU ARE NOT MIDDLE CLASS.

Fleuries on December 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM

idiots.

let

it

burn

long_cat on December 4, 2012 at 10:09 AM

The only thing that makes sense is rampant cheating.

BetseyRoss on December 4, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Health insurers who want to sell plans in states that refuse to create new U.S. health-care marketplaces will have to pay fees for the federal government to regulate them.

Insurers will pay a fee of 3.5 percent of their premiums to sell plans in a federally run health exchange, the government said today in a regulatory filing. The exchanges are new marketplaces somewhat like online travel services where uninsured people will buy policies.

Akzed on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I don’t care what tactics, strategies or iterations the GOP goes through – including capitulating to this petulant child with his damned tax increases – as long as Obama and the Dems OWN the economic consequences.

matthew8787 on December 4, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Polls: Nation that re-elected Obama wants more spending cuts than tax hikes, still hates Obamacare

Ummmm, anybody out there think the election (boxes,counts,votes ..etc.) was rigged?
Yes, I continue to be overly sensitive to stories like these.

darlus on December 4, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Ummmm, anybody out there think the election (boxes,counts,votes ..etc.) was rigged?
Yes, I continue to be overly sensitive to stories like these.

darlus on December 4, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Between all the people staying home because they were sick of voting between “Stupid” and “Wicked”, and the demographic shift, did they really need fraud?

MelonCollie on December 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Wake up is tough, who wants to confront the reality and consequences of their actions? The primates that put this trash back into office haven’t seen anything yet. The nightmare hasn’t even started. This goes to prove yet again that thought and voting go hand in hand. In any case, our media is loving it.

arand on December 4, 2012 at 11:03 AM

The most succinct analysis on the race I saw:

Romney was much better than his campaign. Unfortunately for the GOP, Obama’s campaign was much better than Obama.

Obama won because he went block-by-block w his ground game for 4 years. They focused on nothing else.

matthew8787 on December 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Our MSM may be loving it, with Obama about to get his way, but a lot of the MSM cheerleaders are going to be without jobs by the end of 2013.

I don’t get their stupidity, but must recognize we’re now at the point of generations of Americans indoctrinated with a hate for capitalism – from our public schools and nearly all universities.

And we will soon pay a frightful price.

It’s over for this country. Even after the election, Obama could care less about the growing debt crisis.

matthew8787 on December 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I’m curious about the % of people who favor tax increases. Are they aware that they can put their own money where their mouth is? Anyone can mail in contributions to the IRS. Bureau of Public Debt, include cover letter and SS#. Don’t wait for me, and please no bull—-.

arand on December 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I do not know how or where, but I still believe that voter fraud of a massive and an utterly unprecedented scale took place in this presidential election

stillings on December 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM

but I still believe that voter fraud of a massive and an utterly unprecedented scale took place in this presidential election

THX Stillings.
OK, so darlus’ unofficial Hotair poll has the fraud = YES count at two.

darlus on December 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM

stupid Americans will get exactly what they deserve

burserker on December 4, 2012 at 3:30 PM

It doesn’t matter, we’ve already witnessed the last real election in the USA, their is just no way to run against free stuff and entitlement reform.

Kat_man on December 4, 2012 at 5:58 PM

. I’m covinced that the majority of people answering these questions don’t know even know what they are talking about. Our nation is so polarized there isn’t even a realistic venue through which one could teach people what these things mean. While these blogs are filled with the voices of people with a genuine interest in the issues, the vast majority of Americans are not interested, they are uninformed, and when they are asked poll questions you end up with completely contradictory results (anyone noticed Obama’s +14 approval lately?)

In my estimation, conservatism’s next step needs to be a social movement (as opposed to a campaign which is always reduced to tarring a feathering the evil candidate). I’m just not sure we are good at “social movements” without them becomiing religious in nature.

mxt on December 4, 2012 at 7:09 AM

People are no longer able to articulate coherent arguments or thoughts regarding anything anymore.
Education has become a joke. And I know bcs I am a HS science teacher & I’m becoming increasingly frustrated at the sheer monumental ignorance that comes my way in the 9th grade.
Teenageritis aside, they kids are IGNORANT & some of them are downright stupid. I imagine it’s from the years of being babysat in front of the TV &/or given video games to occupy their time with.
Sitting in a daycare even without ever being asked to think about anything important.
Then you have this culture of parents who are constantly protecting & trying to make things easy for their kids by verbally assaulting me for making their kids think by saying your class is too haaaaaaaarrrrrrd!
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
By God I am so sick of this I could puke.

Badger40 on December 5, 2012 at 1:54 PM

they = these.
Forgive me. I went to public screwl.

Badger40 on December 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM

It doesn’t matter, we’ve already witnessed the last real election in the USA, their is just no way to run against free stuff and entitlement reform.

Kat_man on December 4, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Exactly. The demographic shift is already here or d@mn close, and if after 4 long years people voted for him in significant numbers (and they did), then they actually do want what he’s offering.

MelonCollie on December 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

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