Polls: Nation that re-elected Obama wants more spending cuts than tax hikes, still hates Obamacare

posted at 7:41 pm on December 3, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Look, I don’t even know anymore. I’m just gonna put these out there for you as yet another indication of how tough getting anywhere close to solving our deficit and debt problems is. It’s a nice complement to the latest in the fiscal cliff saga, in which allegedly intractable, unreasonable Republicans offer a Simpson-Bowles-like compromise that might actually come within a couple ballparks of acknowledging our debt problems while Democrats seem rather enthusiastic about cliff-diving and yet the press and public are determined to blame Republicans for going over.

Let’s see if that can change in the near future. Presumably it should if the press reports that a realistic compromise is on the table that— hey, looky here— aligns with the public’s and the press’ professed desires, but early signs show it’s being treated unseriously in the press. Heck, even a plurality of Obama voters want the deficit dealt with by making more spending cuts than tax hikes:

A survey of 800 Obama voters, conducted last month by Benenson Strategy Group for the moderate Democratic think tank Third Way and shared first with POLITICO, finds that 96 percent believe the federal deficit is a problem and that 85 percent support increasing taxes on the wealthy.

Yet 41 percent who supported the Democratic incumbent want to get control of the deficit mostly by cutting spending, with only some tax increases, while another 41 percent want to solve it mostly with tax increases and only some spending cuts.

Just 5 percent of Obama supporters favor tax increases alone to solve the deficit, half the number who back an approach that relies entirely on spending cuts.

Too bad they all voted for the man who’s offering a rather more unbalanced approach than Republicans. And, you read that right— double the number of Obama supporters want to deal with the deficit entirely by cutting spending than want to do it entirely by raising taxes.

In other news, voters still hate ObamaCare, especially independents:

Meanwhile, according to polling by CNN, registered voters oppose Obamacare by a margin of 10 points — 52 to 42 percent. Independents like Obamacare even less, opposing it by a margin of 22 points — 57 to 35 percent. Clearly, voters didn’t think they were ratifying Obamacare when they pulled the lever for Obama.

And, finally, “[f]or the first time in Gallup trends since 2000, a majority of Americans say it is not the federal government’s responsibility to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage.” Okay.

The shift away from the view that the government should ensure healthcare coverage for all began shortly after President Barack Obama’s election and has continued the past several years during the discussions and ultimate passage of the Affordable Care Act in March 2010. Americans are divided on that legislation today — 48% approve and 45% disapprove — as they have been over the last several years.

Republicans, including Republican-leaning independents, are mostly responsible for the drop since 2007 in Americans’ support for government ensuring universal health coverage. In 2007, 38% of Republicans thought the government should do so; now, 12% do. Among Democrats and Democratic leaners there has been a much smaller drop, from 81% saying the government should make sure all Americans are covered in 2007 to 71% now.

healthcare

A warning for Democrats prepared to use ObamaCare’s upcoming failures as a rationale for single-payer:

One thing that has not changed is that Americans still widely prefer a system based on private insurance to one run by the government. Currently, 57% prefer a private system and 36% a government-run system, essentially the same as in 2010 and 2011. Prior to the passage of the Affordable Care Act in 2010, the percentage of Americans in favor of a government-run system ranged from 32% to 41%.

Another redemptive data point for those who say nominating the one guy who couldn’t effectively argue against ObamaCare was a mistake. For the record, I agreed with that assessment, but also was unconvinced others didn’t have equal liabilities.

As the conventional wisdom has it, we are a nation divided— perhaps into multiple personalities.

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Further proof that the ObamiNation voted for free schidt and not any guiding principles.

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Good point..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

HAL we don’t even have enough doctors . You’re so effing stupid.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

HAL’s got koolaid coming out of every orifice.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I bet he’s retentive, and only let’s go to ‘reward’ himself.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

The Russian press mocks us as a nation of illiterate fools too attached to our handouts. Quite telling that Pravda is more honest than any part of the American press…

Gingotts on December 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Let it burn…

Tea Party starting in 2014… I’m all in…

Khun Joe on December 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Two points,

Forget letting it burn. Just walk away. Today the GOP provided yet another reasonable proposal which the rat-eared commie’s people attacked without even reading. It is time to stop pretending that we can work with these people.

Secondly, time to start organizing at the grassroots now. There is a mid-term election in 2014. We need to get behind alternative candidates now and push the hell out their candidacy for the next two years. Whenever some incumbent utters commentary on the issue, the opposition only has one voice who becomes de facto shadow politician speaking for many.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

HotAirLib on December 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Congrats! Your IQ has been calculated to be at or below that of Nancy Pelosi, which happens to be in the mid fifties on a great day.

antipc on December 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I believe you being overly generous in that assesment..

Who are these people of National Socialist Left who actually think that the Dear Liar’s Marxist concepts will work THIS time?

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Danielvito on December 3, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Circular argument with NO proof to back it up..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I know President Obama is going to get this national economy charging ahead. Why all those A’s he got in Economics and resource allocation and the dissertation on the evolutionary nature of capitalism has me convinced. And just look at the Cook County Economic Development (Illinois) dynamo and the excellence of Chicago as a city…

We need to have capitalism helped with electric cars, just look at the 1.2 million people who used to work for railroads while only thousands are there today..capitalism never admits new technology and markets don’t work..

The Fortune 100 still has all the companies that were there in 1917 and even 1970..I’m checking..

Wait…

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

It was nice today, so a friend invited me to a round of golf. I had a three-foot putt for birdie, but I Romneyed it.

Mr. Wednesday Night on December 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Considering what the American people say they want and what they voted for, I guess it is safe to say that Obama truly convinced the majority of the public that there are Skittle pooping Unicorns.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Sounds like Hell to me.

justltl on December 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Hell with mandated broccoli

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Who are these people of National Socialist Left who actually think that the Dear Liar’s Marxist concepts will work THIS time?

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

They are convinced they can do it better, because no one before tried ‘their’ way.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Secondly, time to start organizing at the grassroots now. There is a mid-term election in 2014. We need to get behind alternative candidates now and push the hell out their candidacy for the next two years. Whenever some incumbent utters commentary on the issue, the opposition only has one voice who becomes de facto shadow politician speaking for many.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Who cares about 2014? I’m not up for reliving another roller coaster repeat of the last 4 years when clearly it does not make a difference. Government has grown, Obama got re-elected, and it’s just a waste of energy to go through this all again and again when nothing will change

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Tea Party vindicated.

But no we are not allowed to do what actually works.

No No NO.

Obama Worshipers only allowed in the new GOP. Bizaro world where we surrender before the fight starts.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM

You voted for Obama, you have no dog in this fight. Get lost.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

HotAirLib on December 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

You’re Boring.

-2

Del Dolemonte on December 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Presumably it should if the press reports that a realistic compromise is on the table that— hey, looky here— aligns with the public’s and the press’ professed desires…

It must be confusing in your little world, MK. We have run Presidential candidates two straight campaigns whose careers “align with the public’s and the press’ professed desires”…and both lost to a clownish, know-nothing, celebredouche liberal.

Forget what the polls claim people profess to desire…it’s all bullspit.

Jaibones on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

It’s the exact same phenomenpersonenon as Jimmy Kimmel asking people in Hollywood whether they purchased a Powerball ticket. Of course they knew as soon as Obama proposed to Eat the Rich that his real target was higher taxes for the middle class. Just own it, already, and L.I.B.-up, Obama voters.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

it’s just a waste of energy to go through this all again and again when nothing will change

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

P*ssy loser.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

How the phuck did Jimmy Carter get re elected?

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Our government is dysfunctional for one simple reason: the electorate is dysfunctional.

Doug Piranha on December 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

P*ssy loser.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Nice. Honestly, the last time Republicans were in power, you were probably arguing for “compassionate conservatism” and neo-con policies because thats what the people on fox were saying. Government GREW under Bush, and under Clinton, and under Bush sr, and under Reagan, and under Carter… Who was the last president to actually cut spending?

Other then de-leveraging after a war, it would have to be pre-FDR, right?

That’s why Republicans won’t win on the “we’ll reduce the deficit / debt” argument. They’ve had the chance and they’ve done the opposite.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Government has grown, Obama got re-elected, and it’s just a waste of energy to go through this all again and again when nothing will change

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

What is the alternative to keep on fighting? Surrender to the rat-eared bastard and his band of anarchists, socialists, communists, atheists, and anti-American academics? Sorry, I’m going to continue on fighting so long as I have the ability to do so and a memory of the nation before this filthy bastard and Quislings like you started poisoning society.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

No, tea party won’t win either. Any votes they would have got, Romney got. Enough people have decided they prefer voting goodies for themselves at the expense of everyone else. Even “tea party” people in poll after poll said they don’t want to see cuts to social security.

That’s everyone’s attitude — cut government, but not MY money, and not the things I like. For Gods sake — Romney / Ryan ran on SAVING / Giving MORE money to Medicare (or, restore a fake cut that wasnt going to happen). There is no party of limited government, the Bushes & every candidate in between has shown us that.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Do you live in an Alternative Universe where 2010 never happened?

The GOP shut up the Tea Party. Thus the 2012 losses.

Go back to Tea Party principals and we will win from then on. That is what this survey proves. Even Obama voters support the Tea Party.

The rest of your post is Obama inspired nonsense. Americans know there is no free ride but Obama and Romney were selling a free ride anyway. At least with Obama they knew he was the devil but he was in the correct party to be the devil. The American people want a real choice. 2012 gave them no choice what so ever. More crap no matter who you voted for. More false dreams sold by lying politicians in both parties.

Americans were not fooled by the liars in the GOP. They thus went with the DNC as they have always been liars. They would have preferred a President that had solid American beliefs but no one was running on that. Just running on something for nothing both GOP and DNC.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

…But I don’t blame the elected officials in the R party, I blame the people who voted for them. THIS is what the American people want — more and more goodies for themselves at the expense of their children.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Who are these people of National Socialist Left who actually think that the Dear Liar’s Marxist concepts will work THIS time?

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

They are convinced they can do it better, because no one before tried ‘their’ way.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Yes, and they’re willing to sacrifice the country to prove their theories – just like their comrades of the past have sacrificed so much of the lives of their fellow countrymen.

Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol pot, Castro & Che Gurvera, Chavez, Kim jong mentally ill – they are just so giving in order to prove Marx to be correct.

Chip on December 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

A scholar wrote about it.

Since I got an email telling me that my economic opinions are mythical and the product of evil capitalists, I will cite:

“Joseph Schumpeter (1883–1950) coined the seemingly paradoxical term “creative destruction,” and generations of economists have adopted it as a shorthand description of the free market’s messy way of delivering progress. In Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy (1942)”

I lie occasionally but not about thing here. Iff I did it wouldn’t be such good therapy.

The writer also said that Hot Air Lib was the only person here who can clearly see the future just like the left saw the last election. Then something about our being guards in Moscow for the Czar.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Be nice. Do what I did and call he/she/it a Quisling. Because Vidkun Quisling was a collaborationist too.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Americans were not fooled by the liars in the GOP. They thus went with the DNC as they have always been liars. They would have preferred a President that had solid American beliefs but no one was running on that. Just running on something for nothing both GOP and DNC.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I didn’t vote for Obama. Republicans can still win in midterm elections, which are really base elections since only the really committed vote when no ones at the top of the ticket. I’m saying the trend is very clear that no matter who is in the white house, spending grows, government grows, and our liberties and the constitution shrink.

We put all of our hope in to the tea party wave freshman class of ’10. They elected Bush flunky Boehner, and they have done NOTHING for us. I don’t see why you think anything will change.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:43 PM

the GOP shut up the Tea Party. Thus the 2012 losses.

Go back to Tea Party principals and we will win from then on. That is what this survey proves. Even Obama voters support the Tea Party.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I would have agreed before the Tea Party was co opted by the SoCon crowd

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Until the morons that answer these questions understand we just had a poll and they voted the wrong way. The only hope we have is that John Boehner finds a spine.

bflat879 on December 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

The text I used was from:
Creative Destruction
by W. Michael Cox and Richard Alm; Library of Economics and Liberty. on the web..

Now I will go away.
Thanks.

IlikedAUH2O on December 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

It’s a nice complement to the latest in the fiscal cliff saga, in which allegedly intractable, unreasonable Republicans offer a Simpson-Bowles-like compromise…

If you throw out 2/3s of S-B that you didn’t like, then it’s not anything like S-B.

lester on December 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Quisling.

Actually dic8head I called Bush out and was told I was full of it when I noted Bush was not a conservative. Now gtfo you effing loser.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Be nice. Do what I did and call he/she/it a Quisling. Because Vidkun Quisling was a collaborationist too.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

If you were president tomorrow, what would you realistically do to correct our fiscal problem with a realistic political climate? Keep in mind we spend nearly 100% of revenue collected on social security, medicare, medicaid, and interest on our debt… Everything else is inflation or borrowed money.

Don’t have an answer? Right.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

You voted for Obama, you have no dog in this fight. Get lost.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Pay attention poll was on Obama voters.

But although you are wrong I preferred Obama to Romney but voted for neither. Neither merited a vote. Obama was at least honest about his vision. Romney lied then lied then lied some more. He was more dishonest. Romney was a Democrat in 2002 and made that very clear. To run in the GOP in 2012 was the ultimate lie.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Quitter. What a p*ssy.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Once the American people really find out what is in Obamacare instead of just relying on the scare tactics of the fringe conservative movement, they will like it. Plain and simple

HotAirLib on December 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

The sad thing is, when Obamacare goes into full swing and you finally comprehend the depth of how terrible it is and how badly we are screwed by it, you will be the one crushed far beyond any of us, because you actually believed it would work.

Saltyron on December 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I would have agreed before the Tea Party was co opted by the SoCon crowd

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

They were always Cocial Conservative. That is what America was founded on. They won big on that. This is the biggest lie ever.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

They were always Cocial Conservative. That is what America was founded on. They won big on that. This is the biggest lie ever.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

no, the Tea Party was a libertarian small Government movement. It had nothing to do with social conservatism.

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Pay attention poll was on Obama voters.

But although you are wrong I preferred Obama to Romney but voted for neither. Neither merited a vote. Obama was at least honest about his vision. Romney lied then lied then lied some more. He was more dishonest. Romney was a Democrat in 2002 and made that very clear. To run in the GOP in 2012 was the ultimate lie.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

So you didn’t vote for either after pontificating for months on how you would?

You sat home, which was a vote for the King. You are an idiot.

JPeterman on December 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

no, the Tea Party was a libertarian small Government movement. It had nothing to do with social conservatism.

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Yet, when polled, self identifying “tea party” types were very socially conservative. I think everyone used the label to their benefit when they saw fit.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

The electorate is irrational, unable to do basic math, unable to reason, and has a very, very short attention span. Dear Leader has provided us with much evidence of this. Consequently, Comrade Chairman Obama ignores polls unless he has an election is coming up. The people do not know what is best for them.

That has been the Left’s position for a century. It is why socialists make changes ratcheting up government power and control that cannot be easily undone whenever they get the chance. Just in case the people try to change their minds after the socialists have put another bit of their Marx inspired social engineering in place.

farsighted on December 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

no, the Tea Party was a libertarian small Government movement. It had nothing to do with social conservatism.

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 8:52 PM

First of all it was not a one size fits all thing.

Fact is many united together but they all wanted smaller government similar to our Constitutional Republic founding. Thus the name Tea Party. Not libertarian in the least. Just back to our roots and those roots were very Socially Conservative. Family Church and Small Government. They all work together. Nothing else works at all. It is either that or Communism in one form or another. Be it Sharia, Socialism, Kings or pure communism. State Capitalism seems to be the current thing but that is just pure communism disguised as something else.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Well, this poll kind of proves there was rampant voter fraud doesn’t it?

Mr. Arrogant on December 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Anecdotal story, worth nothing more than the paper that it is not printed on, and names redacted to protect Obamabot backlash…

So my friend is a former student of one of the economic academics that was invited to the White House back in 2009 to discuss the economy with Obama. Remember when he brought all of those college professors together? Well, at that time the professor was all in favor of Obama, and hopey-changey and all of that stuff.

Shortly after that meeting, he started being very critical of Obama, and became more and more outspoken as the 2012 electing was closing in, and actually made statements that he was going to support Romney.

My friend sees this, and contacts his old professor, and gets this story:

“So I sit down with the economic experts and the president, and it is obvious from square one that he has no economic experience at all, that he never took economics 101, or never got anything out of it. So all of us professors are trying to explain how the economy works to him, in very simple, fundamental terms. Obama says to the assembled experts, ‘No, no, no. I don’t want to hear that crap from you; that’s NOT why I brought you here. What I WANT is for you to tell me a way how to make MY redistributionist model work. You’re the experts – tell me how to do it.’ The experts said, ‘It simply cannot be done. The economy doesn’t work that way at all, and can’t work that way at all, ever.’ And that was the end of it, and from that point on Obama stopped talking to experts and instead just relied on his own policy people.

“And that is when I knew I could no longer support him – the moment that he said that he wasn’t interested in anything other than making his redistributionist model work – a model that cannot possibly work.”

Anyway, that’s the story that I got, and I think it explains a lot.

JohnD13 on December 3, 2012 at 9:05 PM

according to polling by CNN, registered voters oppose Obamacare by a margin of 10 points — 52 to 42 percent.

Independents like Obamacare even less, opposing it by a margin of 22 points — 57 to 35 percent.

Clearly, voters didn’t think they were ratifying Obamacare when they pulled the lever for Obama.

Clearly, voters who couldn’t seem to grasp even that one little, tiny simple issue….SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN VOTING.

Sorry I yelled.

lynncgb on December 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Fact is many united together but they all wanted smaller government similar to our Constitutional Republic founding. Thus the name Tea Party. Not libertarian in the least. Just back to our roots and those roots were very Socially Conservative. Family Church and Small Government. They all work together. Nothing else works at all. It is either that or Communism in one form or another. Be it Sharia, Socialism, Kings or pure communism. State Capitalism seems to be the current thing but that is just pure communism disguised as something else.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

See? Because what made our country unique in the 18th century was that we had families and churches, and somehow that related to small government.

And the rest of the world was communist in one form or another. Because Jesus and communism are antonyms.

Duh.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Not schizophrenic. Deluded and mislead.

Speakup on December 3, 2012 at 9:07 PM

And the rest of the world was communist in one form or another. Because Jesus and communism are antonyms.

Duh.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

GOD bless America.

Or you can try Satan’s solution.

Only GOD works.

It was no accident that America was the most blessed Nation on Earth. That basically everything we now take for granted was started here in one way or another. Why the world changed.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:13 PM

steveangell, you simpering clusterschmuck. after all your insane ramblings about reflecting Obama to impeach him you now confess to staying home. you reprobate ignoramus. you are either dishonest or insane or an amalgamation of the two.

tom daschle concerned on December 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Forget the Fiscal Cliff, Obamacare etc.

I wanna go Full Mayan.

Bring on the pockee-clips, baby.

Yeaargh!

Bruno Strozek on December 3, 2012 at 9:18 PM

steveangell, you simpering clusterschmuck. after all your insane ramblings about reflecting Obama to impeach him you now confess to staying home. you reprobate ignoramus. you are either dishonest or insane or an amalgamation of the two.

tom daschle concerned on December 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I voted. I was happy to vote for Andy Harris who went back to the House.

But I refuse to vote for a Democrat and Romney was a Democrat. Still in IMHO. He was the father of Obama Care making a vote for him evil as well.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

the Tea Party was co opted by nuts. I am not a witch.

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Steveangell,

That’s frankly ludicrous. America succeeded by being the first and only country founded not on a common ancestry, but on an idea of liberty — economic religious & personal. You are free to believe in whatever you want but you are minimizing the brilliance and great luck we had in having great founders by believing in some ridiculous blessing from on high.

It was a historical accident / miracle (in the secular sense) that we have the country we do / did. Nothing to do with your god.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Once the American people really find out what is in Obamacare instead of just relying on the scare tactics of the fringe conservative movement, they will like it. Plain and simple

HotAirLib on December 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

You keep believing that. It’s going to be run by the same faceless behemoth as most government agencies.

You better hope you don’t get sick. There’s a reason Canadians go to the US for medical care. If you want to educate yourself (and I doubt you do because it might tax your brain) go on google and find out for yourself. Don’t take my word for it. Go look yourself.

But start here. This is a tragic case, but very much what the system is like:

socialized medicine wait time

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

tom daschle concerned on December 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I’m going with insane..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

“And that is when I knew I could no longer support him – the moment that he said that he wasn’t interested in anything other than making his redistributionist model work – a model that cannot possibly work.”

Anyway, that’s the story that I got, and I think it explains a lot.

JohnD13 on December 3, 2012 at 9:05 PM

It does indeed. I’ll never forget the look on Roemer’s (sp?) face when she realized that what she had taught for decades to economics students did not really work in the real world. Because, whether they want to admit it or not, all economic academics have long espoused the redistributionist model as the holy grail for how society should work.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Anyway, that’s the story that I got, and I think it explains a lot.

JohnD13 on December 3, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Thanks for sharing that. Here’s another story which dovetails nicely. In 2002 or 2003, a world-renowned economist told me that Krugman bragged to him that he–Krugman–would write whatever anyone wanted him to write, so long as they paid him $50,000 per article. Fast forward to the current administration, and it is no coincidence that Krugman has led the charge trying to foist Obamanomics on the world.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Further proof that the ObamiNation voted for free schidt and not any guiding principles.

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Or sense of reality.

Of course the ‘free’ sh*t cannot last forever which is why people are quietly preparing for the civil unrest that will result.

In NYC it took all of 72 hours without power, water, and gas for the looters to come out…and that wasn’t even a Cat 1 hurricane, let alone Katrina.

Brace for impact.

CorporatePiggy on December 3, 2012 at 9:23 PM

51% of the electorate –the future electorate, as Democrats love pointing out–voted for Obamacare, higher taxes, more government spending, and more regulations.

Give the people what they want.

Let. It. Burn.

MidniteRambler on December 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

the Tea Party was co opted by nuts. I am not a witch.

Slade73 on December 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

No. Not nuts. The TPM is purely about fiscal sanity. Social issues have bled through at bad times. Todd Akin was a great candidate until he opened up about his views on womens’ ability to avoid getting pregnant if it was a rape.

IMO, the TPM needs to set up a boot camp for candidates to keep them on message and not be lured in to the ways the enemy media seeks to destroy them by their own words.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 PM

51% of the electorate –the future electorate, as Democrats love pointing out–voted for Obamacare, higher taxes, more government spending, and more regulations.

Give the people what they want.

Let. It. Burn.

MidniteRambler on December 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Ah! But here’s the rub. That 51% of moochers in takers in 2012 that supported the rat-eared wonder will wane by 2014 and certainly by 2016. Some of the moochers and takers will find out that the government is going to be coming out after their wealth as they continue to try and fund the worthless segment of society that makes up the base of the Democrat party. These are not people that need a helping hand. They need a good swift kick in the bottom to make them figure out that they should get a job and off of welfare.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Hello??? McFly??

Useless poll, 27% of Obama supporters can neither read nor write, what good does it do polling them?

redhead on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 PM

It was a historical accident / miracle (in the secular sense) that we have the country we do / did. Nothing to do with your god.

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Right.

Well sure wonder if you will still feel that way the day your body dies yet your spirit continues to live.

One thing for sure the founders of this Nation had no doubt they owed it’s founding to GOD.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Considering what the American people say they want and what they voted for, I guess it is safe to say that Obama truly convinced the majority of the public that there are Skittle pooping Unicorns.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

He also had a lot of help.

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM

P*ssy loser.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Nice. Honestly, the last time Republicans were in power, you were probably arguing for “compassionate conservatism” and neo-con policies because thats what the people on fox were saying.

Not CW. We just don’t like giving up here.

“It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees”
- Emiliano Zapata

kim roy on December 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I think it’s pretty obvious what happened. Gallup didn’t poll the same person multiple times, unlike the election where a single person could vote multiple times.

ButterflyDragon on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

No. Not nuts. The TPM is purely about fiscal sanity. Social issues have bled through at bad times. Todd Akin was a great candidate until he opened up about his views on womens’ ability to avoid getting pregnant if it was a rape.

IMO, the TPM needs to set up a boot camp for candidates to keep them on message and not be lured in to the ways the enemy media seeks to destroy them by their own words.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Todd would have won except for idiots like Mitt Romney that jumped at the chance to distance themselves from him.

We do not see the Democrats do that ever even for those convicted of crimes.

Yet in the Stupid Party we see it time after time. Kill off the Tea Party taking no prisoners if we lose the Senate no problem the Presidency no problemo. As long as we destroy the Tea Party.

The Tea Party gave the GOP the House and eliminated the super majority in the Senate just two short years ago. The thanks from the GOP all their candidates are jumped and mugged by the party officials. In Nevada every single GOP party boss backed Harry Reid in 2010.

We have found the enemy. The Enemy is ourselves.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

We have found the enemy. The Enemy is ourselves.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Oh come on…here in Indiana Mourdock through away a Senate seat…it is not that all tea party candidates are bad candidates, but a lot of them have been.

Terrye on December 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM

P*ssy loser.

CW on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Nice. Honestly, the last time Republicans were in power, you were probably arguing for “compassionate conservatism” and neo-con policies because thats what the people on fox were saying.

Ahh yes…well look at this way, Democrats stick together, that is why they win…we do not, that is why we don’t. Truth is that compassionate conservatism was not the problem…Compassion is not a bad thing..and as for the neo cons, well, they were actually a majority in the conservative movement. It was not just some cabal of Jews or something.

Maybe the point is that people like the idea of cutting spending when it does not effect them..or raising other people’e taxes..they just do not want to give anything up themselves..that does not speak to any failing of the Republicans or conservatives, it is a failing of our culture that people say one thing and do another assuming someone else will clean up the mess.

Terrye on December 3, 2012 at 9:53 PM

We have found the enemy. The Enemy is ourselves.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Oh come on…here in Indiana Mourdock through away a Senate seat…it is not that all tea party candidates are bad candidates, but a lot of them have been.

Terrye on December 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM

His chance of winning would have been much better if not for Stupid Republicans stabbing him repeatably in the back.

You can not do your best to destroy a candidate then blame the candidate. That is like blaming a rape victim after you rape her for her rape.

Plenty of Establishment Candidates lost as well but for some reason we only ever hear about the Tea Party candidates that lost. Why is that?

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Todd would have won except for idiots like Mitt Romney that jumped at the chance to distance themselves from him.

We do not see the Democrats do that ever even for those convicted of crimes.

We’ll have to disagree on this point. It might have been a moment off message but Akin was unelectable as a result. At a time when Mitt Romney was running his own campaign fighting the idea that he wanted to ban abortion, it is unfair of you to think that he would have rallied to defend Akin’s truly appalling comments (and I’m very pro-life). That you got all sorts of republicans from
Ashcroft to Danforth urging Akin to drop out of the campaign trumps idiots like Huckabee claiming this gaffe would pass. It didn’t and MO is all the more unfortunate as a result.

Yet in the Stupid Party we see it time after time. Kill off the Tea Party taking no prisoners if we lose the Senate no problem the Presidency no problemo. As long as we destroy the Tea Party.

The TPM is more a coalition of general principles than something to be killed off. Sorry but not every candidate fronted by the TPM is going to be an asset in national politics.

The Tea Party gave the GOP the House and eliminated the super majority in the Senate just two short years ago. The thanks from the GOP all their candidates are jumped and mugged by the party officials. In Nevada every single GOP party boss backed Harry Reid in 2010.

Again, sorry but the TPM helped the GOP but it was never with that intent. And, frankly, it shouldn’t the TPM should be bigger than any single party. If we ever find a Democrat with the TPM views, that candidate should be backed. I’m trying to keep the TPM debate pure in its focus on fiscal sanity where many Americans can come together in agreement instead of what kills such efforts- social issues.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Oh come on…here in Indiana Mourdock through away a Senate seat…it is not that all tea party candidates are bad candidates, but a lot of them have been.

Terrye on December 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Too many people running with the TPM endorsement have been right on fiscal issues but bad candidates otherwise. They have this in common with Ron Paul.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM

I’m not witch..That is all you need to know..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Compassion is not a bad thing..and as for the neo cons, well, they were actually a majority in the conservative movement. It was not just some cabal of Jews or something.

Maybe the point is that people like the idea of cutting spending when it does not effect them..or raising other people’e taxes..they just do not want to give anything up themselves..that does not speak to any failing of the Republicans or conservatives, it is a failing of our culture that people say one thing and do another assuming someone else will clean up the mess.

Terrye on December 3, 2012 at 9:53 PM

That kind of is my point. Republicans won with Bush running as a fiscal con, governing as a neo con with social con leanings and spending a lot of money growing government. The whole time he insulted the whole conservative movement by distinguishing himself from them by calling himself “compassionate” yet the majority of the republican party supported him. They re-elected him, in fact.

Meanwhile, the Democrats screamed about deficit spending, civil liberties (PATRIOT Act), unconstitutional wars, and unconscionable spending.

When they get in power, they keep spending the money (and double down on what bush was spending), and the republicans reverse roles and yell about the same things. I don’t think they believe what they are saying any more then Obama did in senate speeches, and I don’t see why I’m supposed to have any faith in them.

What about the people who really care about those kinds of things?

Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM

I’m not a witch..That is all you need to know..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Sorry..fixed..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Two things we can take away from these polls: A majority of voters are stupid, and the GOP is terrible at messaging.

Jack_Burton on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Why is it that we keep on saying GOP “lost” on Nov 6th? GOP has easily won in NV, for example, save for Romney. More than strangely enough. Sorry, does not compute. And I am a numbers guy since the age of 6.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Jack_Burton on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Very good point..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Again, sorry but the TPM helped the GOP but it was never with that intent. And, frankly, it shouldn’t the TPM should be bigger than any single party. If we ever find a Democrat with the TPM views, that candidate should be backed. I’m trying to keep the TPM debate pure in its focus on fiscal sanity where many Americans can come together in agreement instead of what kills such efforts- social issues.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Right.

I forget you and the rest of your ilk live in an alternative universe. One where Establishment Candidates win not the real world where not a single one has won the Presidency since Nixon was nearly impeached and was forced from office.

In your alternate universe the GOP had big wins in 2012 and Mitt Romney is President.

Well the rest of us live in the real world. Where the Tea Party won against all odds in 2010 then were shut out by the Establishment Republicans in 2012. Even taken captive in their buses while the Establishment ran a fixed vote in the convention. You only win by cheating.

The GOP can won but only by going back to it’s conservative roots.

It is just laughable that Todd was the bad one. The GOP plank supported Todd Mitt was the odd ball out being Pro Choice in a Pro Life party.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

You have completely marginalized yourself. Nobody gives a rat’s patootie what you think.

Go form your own lunatic fringe party, and leave Republicans alone, jerk.

Adjoran on December 3, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Forget letting it burn. Just walk away.
Happy Nomad

That’s essential the same thing.

No need to split hairs now.

chimney sweep on December 3, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Jack_Burton on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Very good point..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Yea blame the voters.

Never examine yourself and admit your ideas stunk big time which is why you lost.

We tried Conservatism with the Tea Party and won big.

We tried Establishment with Mitt Romney and lost BIG TIME.

No need for any soul searching history tells the story in 100% clarity.

This poll reinforces it in spades. Even Obama Supporters support Conservative Tea Party principals.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

You have completely marginalized yourself. Nobody gives a rat’s patootie what you think.

Go form your own lunatic fringe party, and leave Republicans alone, jerk.

Adjoran on December 3, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Saul Alinsky would be so proud of you.

Well except he is in hell.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Idiocracy.

Aplombed on December 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Presumably it should if the press reports that a realistic compromise is on the table that— hey, looky here— aligns with the public’s and the press’ professed desires, but early signs show it’s being treated unseriously in the press.

Ongoing evidence that today’s “press” is a Socialist-government-operation by Socialsts in our government, whether their paycheck comes from a government source directly or indirectly.

So few sources today in media that can be trusted to voice an independent perspective when relaying events.

If we were to believe what the “press” has to say about anything, we just as well should be taking MoveOn’s newsletters as truth. Which they aren’t, but I was making a point there.

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Polls: Nation that re-elected Obama wants more spending cuts than tax hikes, still hates Obamacare

But, but, Obama bought me a phone! He bought me a phone!

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I think the message was not broadcast to the folks in a good enough way to persuade them..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Mary,

I agree. Schizonation. People voted with John Stewart, HBO , David Letterman… against their interests. But it also makes sense.

It was clear who the entertainment, fashion and clowning industry wanted. It’s important for most people to feel part of what’s going on. I still haven’t seen a funny/accurate caricature of BO on SNL. It’s been 4 years!!! That’s sort of facist, no?
So we can’t blame the folk. Being – apolitical and just going with the flow – I don’t think there is a sin in that.

BoxHead1 on December 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Too bad they all voted for the man who’s offering a rather more unbalanced approach than Republicans. And, you read that right— double the number of Obama supporters want to deal with the deficit entirely by cutting spending than want to do it entirely by raising taxes.

Gob-smackingly stupid. The Onion couldn’t do better. God help us, these are our fellow citizens. *spit*

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Two things we can take away from these polls: A majority of voters are stupid, and the GOP is terrible at messaging.

Jack_Burton on December 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

It’s hard to be good at messaging when the mainstream media at every single opportunity will twist and distort whatever message goes out.

Until conservatives can influence culture in the same manner as liberals, we will always be behind on messaging.

Steven Crowder is the only conservative I know that is relentless about the need to get conservatives into the cultural war where we can make a real difference.

ButterflyDragon on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

http://youtu.be/rgfA2b9YSag

Lourdes on December 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Nation that re-elected Obama wants more spending cuts than tax hikes, still hates Obamacare

Elections have consequences-EVEN FOR WINNERS. At a Saturday night party a young man was lamenting his unemployment and I asked him who he voted for. “Obama” was his answer. “Enjoy your early retirement” was my reply. The person he voted for will eff him good. Good-he gets what he deserved.

MaiDee on December 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

We have found the enemy. The Enemy is ourselves.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Please don’t quote Pogo, unless you’re going to get it right.

Christien on December 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Nation that re-elected Obama wants more spending cuts than tax hikes, still hates Obamacare

Elections have consequences-EVEN FOR WINNERS. At a Saturday night party a young man was lamenting his unemployment and I asked him who he voted for. “Obama” was his answer. “Enjoy your early retirement” was my reply. The person he voted for will eff him good. Good-he gets what he deserved.

MaiDee on December 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Funny, isn’t it? The moron masses only now are beginning to comprehend what they voted for. Too bad they have to suffer through it /s

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I think it was voter frauad. Let;s redo the election fairly and see who wins

Bullhead on December 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Elections have consequences-EVEN FOR WINNERS. At a Saturday night party a young man was lamenting his unemployment and I asked him who he voted for. “Obama” was his answer. “Enjoy your early retirement” was my reply. The person he voted for will eff him good. Good-he gets what he deserved.
MaiDee on December 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I normally don’t consider myself a sadist, but I’m going to particularly enjoy watching people continue to fall into poverty under this a-hole. That’s right, feel the pain, morons. Take it all. Like that $100 fillup? Your president is cheering right now. I’m going to enjoy watching your future come crashing down and laugh that you’re too stupid ever figure it out.

The Count on December 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

It’s almost like they counted votes that no real person made. Weird.

hawkdriver on December 4, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Let’s see if that can change in the near future. Presumably it should if the press reports that a realistic compromise is on the table that— hey, looky here— aligns with the public’s and the press’ professed desires, but early signs show it’s being treated unseriously in the press.

That is because the GOP has no creativity with naming plans.

They should call it the “The Obama Can’t Suck Enough Plan”.

I bet the media would pay attention…

William Eaton on December 4, 2012 at 12:23 AM

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