ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Doing a quick ad buy a month before a presidential election won’t do a damn thing.

You can’t expect the inner cities to take up the message of people they never see, who never take their message to them.

The End Times must be upon us, for today I find myself in full agreement with something ernesto has posted.

He is quite correct.

coldwarrior on December 3, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I’m with you coldwarrior. Never did I ever think I would agree with Ernesto on anything, but he is absolutely right on this. Meeting with the NAACP or the Urban League before election is never going to cut it. There needs to be a consistent presence over a period of time in order to change hearts and minds. It will not be easy, but it can be done. The Dems have had what, 40-50 years? Why do Republicans think that a couple of visits before election will do the trick? You’re talking about people who have been conditioned and brainwashed to believe that Republicans and conservatives are racist, no matter how good their ideas may be.

Republicans have the PERFECT issue. School choice. If Republicans really believed in school choice they would be fighting for it regardless. They would have spent the last 4 years trying to restore the DC voucher program.

Ernesto is right.

Theworldisnotenough on December 3, 2012 at 8:16 PM

And again you’re wrong. How much more can you show belief in school choice than by actually putting it in place everywhere you can? Republicans have been talking about and actually implementing school choice all across the country. And everywhere it’s tried it is successful, and the Dems and their union buddies and liberal judges do everything they can to stop it – and the minorities keep re-electing them.

Are they worthy of a trip to an NAACP meeting by a Republican? A meeting that isn’t the national meeting that the GOP president or candidate goes to but a local meeting. Republicans have the PERFECT issue. School choice. If Republicans really believed in school choice they would be fighting for it regardless. They would have spent the last 4 years trying to restore the DC voucher program.

Ernesto is right.

Theworldisnotenough on December 3, 2012 at 8:16 PM

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/07/mitt-romney-naacp-speech-/1

You are both wrong. Romney went to the NAACP. He got booed because he did talked about reating jobs instead of freebies and handouts and pandering. He tried to tell them the truth about which direction this country is going and how he would fix it. And he got booed.
Too many minorities don’t want to hear the hard truth.

Kyle_Reese on December 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Kyle_Reese on December 3, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Kyle_Reese on December 3, 2012 at 5:27 PM
dentarthurdent on December 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Dummies… The same recalcitrant attitude I have encountered again and again and again… Republicans

But you have to GO AND TELL THEM YOUR MESSAGE before you can expect them to just accept it.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Again, from a black conservative. ERNESTO IS RIGHT!! Republicans do not campaign for votes in cities. They just don’t care. Republicans have abandoned education and media and they are paying the price. Half the country has been culturally programmed against the GOP, not necessarily conservatism. It is easy for liberals because this programming goes completely uncontested. I think there is an assumption that black people only want things that are the anti-thesis of what Republicans are about, so it is easy to write of black people.

These black people are potential allies. Are they worthy of a trip to an NAACP meeting by a Republican? A meeting that isn’t the national meeting that the GOP president or candidate goes to but a local meeting. Republicans have the PERFECT issue. School choice. If Republicans really believed in school choice they would be fighting for it regardless. They would have spent the last 4 years trying to restore the DC voucher program.

Ernesto is right.

“sloppy and disorganized”? You’re going to have to back that up with some sort of evidence or reference.

rayra on December 3, 2012 at 3:19 PM

He jumped from his old district to a more Republican-leaning district, so the nonsense about Republicans gerrymandering him out of a seat is just that: nonsense.

West spent $17 million on his reelection campaign. More than 4 times his opponent. West’s campaigns made some wild accusations in TV ads that were later embarrassingly shown to be false. He blew a race that he should easily have won. He lost to an absolutely nobody with no real track record of accomplishment.

Sloppy. Disorganized.

You can’t expect the inner cities to take up the message of people they never see, who never take their message to them. You’re just dismissing them as ignorant or incapable of understanding your enlightened political message. How are you going to win votes that way????

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM

I didn’t dismiss them as ignorant or incapable of understanding Conservativism. These principles are for everybody, and eveybody is welcome to Conservatism.

Get off you soapbox. You liberals are the ones who want affirmative action, have low expectations of minorities, to keep them on the plantation, and to dangle freebies in front of them.

Furthermore, when people try to bring Conservative principles to minorites, they’re demonized. Just like Mia Love, Star Parker, and the Tea Party.

The GOP can take the blame for how the message is relayed. But there’s still accountability for these minorities who don’t want to listen even as the GOP reaches across the aisles.

This is the core issue. As with hispanics, conservative groups simply do not have a permanent presence in the big cities. They aren’t at the community board meetings, they aren’t forming after school programs, they aren’t going door to door in the projects. Liberals are. Until you stop being so scared of the inner city, you’ll wither along with the exurban and suburban populations.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Even if conservatives did all this, I doubt it would make a difference anyway. As you say, Liberals are in fact ubiquitous throughout the inner cities – promising ever more handouts and freebie’s for the masses, and talk of retribution against the wealthy and redistribution of what those horrible wealthy have earned for themselves.
The conservative message is about self-sufficiency, self-reliance, and the eventual benefits of hard work. That just doesn’t play against “more free stuff paid for by those nasty rich people”.

This is the core issue. As with hispanics, conservative groups simply do not have a permanent presence in the big cities. They aren’t at the community board meetings, they aren’t forming after school programs, they aren’t going door to door in the projects. Liberals are. Until you stop being so scared of the inner city, you’ll wither along with the exurban and suburban populations.

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Why is the inner city so dysfunctional that it needs to be patronized like that? What went wrong?

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Doing a quick ad buy a month before a presidential election won’t do a damn thing.

You can’t expect the inner cities to take up the message of people they never see, who never take their message to them.

The End Times must be upon us, for today I find myself in full agreement with something ernesto has posted.

He is quite correct.

Conservatives may still have a message problem, but until the inner cities are willing to listen and have an honest discussion, nothing will help them.

Kyle_Reese on December 3, 2012 at 2:53 PM

But you have to GO AND TELL THEM YOUR MESSAGE before you can expect them to just accept it. You have to sell your message door to door, at community board meetings, at youth programs, etc. That’s the only way it’ll get through. Doing a quick ad buy a month before a presidential election won’t do a damn thing.

You can’t expect the inner cities to take up the message of people they never see, who never take their message to them. You’re just dismissing them as ignorant or incapable of understanding your enlightened political message. How are you going to win votes that way????

By all means, let’s choose a guy who lost his last very winnable race by being sloppy and disorganized. Perfect guy to run a nationwide organization.

AngusMc on December 3, 2012 at 1:21 PM

“sloppy and disorganized”? You’re going to have to back that up with some sort of evidence or reference. Far as I know, the FL RINOs participated in the gerrymandering effort to eliminate his district / oust him from office. I’ve seen nothing in Col. West’s oeuvre that has been ‘sloppy’ or ‘disorganized’. Those are not traits that gets one to Colonel rank or Regimental command, nor elected to Congress in the first place. So I pretty much think you are full of shit and deliberately slandering one of the best men in the GOP, until you prove otherwise.

I think Priebus did a pretty good job,

I guess you consider getting owned in an election we should have won easily, a ‘good job’?

I like the suggestions for Allen West as RNC Chair.
Imagine him in head-to-airhead battles with DWS.
It would be pure entertainment.

YES!

This actually is a good idea. Herman Cain is personable, and an accomplished and successful businessman—and a conservative. He would make a good Chairman.

Another good suggestion, we need someone with business experience, not another bureaucrat.

J.C. Watts may or may not be the guy for the job, but please let’s not go down the road of using people for their skin color/ethnicity. The thing I liked about us was that we actually did judge people by the content of their character/skills and abilities. If we change that, we’re no better than the Dems. And as others have said, this pathetic strategy will not work. Members of minority groups who are conservative/Republican have the foulest, strongest attacks of all brought against them by Democrats in general and by members of their minority groups: they’re not seen as people to emulate or listen to; they’re seen as traitors. (The same is true for women.)

Finally, as someone who has spent a good amount of time doing volunteer work in the inner city of a major metropolitan area, let me just say that there is no quick fix to the minority voter issues we have in those urban centers. Earning the trust of the people in the inner city takes years and years of consistent outreach. And that’s just the first step. And we’re not just competing with Dems for the hearts and minds of the people in the inner city; we’re competing with groups like the Nation of Islam–and with gangs. It’s not just a matter of reaching out and educating people. There is often no stability and no sense of safety in those communities that would allow for people to have differing political loyalties. You think those who have the entitlement mindset are going to peacefully allow those who don’t to vote against more freebies and handouts?

But it’s more than that. Drugs, fatherlessness, and the constant threat of violence from gangs/rampant lawlessness have taken a huge toll on the people. Many have essentially given up on life and are caught up in a cycle of self-destruction. In that kind of environment, the victimhood mentality supported by the Dems and the entitlement lifestyle offered by the Dems will always trump the personal responsibility messages coming from Republicans.

Look. If conservatives don’t build permanent infrastructure in the inner cities, you will be a permanent minority. Liberals are in the cities, they’re running youth programs, they’re going door to door, they’re organizing with their elected officials at a local level. Conservatives are doing none of that in the cities. With more and more people moving into the cities, what are you going to do? Stamp your feet while your voters disappear?
ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM

First, address your inherent hate of Conservatives and Conservative principles. You’re the one taking aim at people who are fleeing inner cities to live in the suburbs.

Next, explain the minority blocs that vote liberal. Conservatives can talk about freedom, liberty, God, and fiscal responsibility, but these blocs will still vote for liberalism and free stuff. And at the same time, these minorities will demonize their own for leaving the plantation and will demonize Conservatives regardless.

Conservatives may still have a message problem, but until the inner cities are willing to listen and have an honest discussion, nothing will help them.

Conservatives not being in the inner cities isn’t the problem. Anyone, including minorities, who votes for liberalism and free stuff is the problem.

Look. If conservatives don’t build permanent infrastructure in the inner cities, you will be a permanent minority. Liberals are in the cities, they’re running youth programs, they’re going door to door, they’re organizing with their elected officials at a local level. Conservatives are doing none of that in the cities. With more and more people moving into the cities, what are you going to do? Stamp your feet while your voters disappear?

ernesto on December 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM

He’s right. Not that ernesto would applaud more black people voting for Republicans. If the Black vote split 70/30 like Hispanics a big chunk of Democrats would be wiped away. A 50/50 split and you couldn’t elect a Democrat dog catcher in 80% of the country. 50/50 and Democrats would be literally washed away, Red state Dems only exist in the cities and are carried through to governor with the black vote, they would cease to exist. No more Kathleen Sebelius’ to worry about.

John Boehner could use his pocket change of political capital and get the DC voucher program reinstated. But alas John Boehner is incompetent not a movement conservative. He is a Republican…

What exactly are we gaining from lining up every year to kiss the collective a$$es of the NAACP et.al.? Are we hoping they won’t call us racist? Are we deluding ourselves into thinking they’ll vote for us? No. They’ll keep voting for the party of Bull Connor and the aforementioned social & economic pathologies BECAUSE…

hang in there…

it’s coming…

wait for it…

THERE’S A FREE PHONE COMING.

We’ve already got one party that panders shamelessly to minorities on the basis of skin color. We don’t need two.

So now we prosecute thought crimes?

alwaysfiredup on December 3, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Totally, Jon0815. Please rescind your recommendation for placing him under arrest and throwing him in jail for thinking something.

doofus <— to alwaysfiredup

Perhaps the RNC should have at least the bottom rung of the hurdle the new RNC chair has to jump over be "not think about voting for the socialist"

Herman Cain over the RNC. We’ve already seen in his closet and there’s not much there that would prohibit him anymore.

West/Ryan 2016.

moonsbreath on December 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM

This actually is a good idea. Herman Cain is personable, and an accomplished and successful businessman—and a conservative. He would make a good Chairman.

Allen West

jake-the-goose on December 3, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Oooooooooooo. Me likey.

He’s admitted he considered voting for Obama in 2008

Jon0815 on December 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM

So now we prosecute thought crimes?