Graham: I’d bet we’re going over the cliff

posted at 8:51 am on December 3, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We’re still 28 days from deadline, but Lindsey Graham believes we’re not going to see much negotiation from Barack Obama and Democrats over the next four weeks.  Proclaiming that Republicans “know we lost the election,” Graham says that John Boehner is willing to take political heat by putting revenue on the table.  Without significant entitlement reform, though, it’s a waste of time.  Graham compares the fiscal trajectory of the US to the now-familiar endgame in the Aegean:

 

 

“The president’s plan when it comes to entitlement reform is just, quite frankly a joke,” Graham continued. “So I don’t think they’re serious about finding a deal. John Boehner is serious about revenue. He’ll get a lot of pushback, but Republicans will rally around John Boehner about limiting deductions to raise somewhere between $700 and $800 billion in revenue. And I bet you this — if you took the president’s plan and put it on the floor of the House and the Senate, he would get very few votes for his plan.”

Entitlement reform, Graham said, is necessary to avert economic disaster in the U.S.

“We’re becoming Greece because of out-of-control entitlement spending. There’s no age adjustment for Medicare and Social Security. There is no means testing in the president’s plan. We should do what Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill did — adjust the age for retirements, a means test benefit, do it together, and Republicans should put revenues on the table. The president’s plan does nothing but damn us to becoming Greece.”

Meanwhile, Tom Cole accused Obama of treating Boehner like “Santa Claus”:

Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) on Sunday panned the White House’s deficit proposal and said the administration was treating Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) like “Santa Claus” in the “fiscal cliff” talks.

“They must think that John Boehner is Santa Claus, because that’s a Christmas wish list, not a real offer,” Cole said on ABC’s “This Week.”

There is certainly a lot of wishful thinking going on in Washington the last couple of weeks.  Graham’s doing the opposite, and unless the White House gets serious on cuts as well as tax hikes, his prediction will certainly come true.


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Let. It. Burn.

BigGator5 on December 3, 2012 at 8:56 AM

let’s do it.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM

LiB.

Some appropriate music

Sekhmet on December 3, 2012 at 8:59 AM

How hard is it for Republicans to ask Mr. Obama where his plan is and repeat that until it is provided?

We have a crisis and there is no leadership from the White House. None.

No plan, no framework for discussion and no negotiation. Just some speeches, demagoguery and “hope” that Republicans will fold and be complicit in our countries destruction.

In the absence of any tangible plan from the President, the only responsible option is to let sequestration occur.

Marcus Traianus on December 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Out-of-control government spending has consequences.

Let the leeches and economic illiterates learn it the hard way.

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Burn baby burn. This is the crappy nest created by the Democraps. Let them sleep in it.

BobK on December 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Marcus Traianus on December 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Works for me. Shrugs.

esr1951 on December 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM

let’s do it.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Da comrade … over we shall go.

darwin on December 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM

99 red balloons go by.

See you on the field, boys.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM

The Democrats absolutely want to go over, then blame the Rs, then come back with middle class tax cut bill with other deal killers embedded in it so they and the media can demagogue the Republicans all over again. Make the point over and over as to why Democrats want to go over the cliff.

Arguing about going bankrupt in the future due to entitlements is not going to be effective against Barackaclaus and his team of flying unicorns.

forest on December 3, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I’m all for capping deductions.

Would get rid of distorted market activity and inefficiencies.

It would expose how our tax rates are way too high.

Of course, it would cause a recession in the short run and probably hurt charitable giving, but it would be a more transparent and honest and efficient system.

commodore on December 3, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Dear leader not serious at all

cmsinaz on December 3, 2012 at 9:07 AM

CUT SPENDING………so do it!!

PappyD61 on December 3, 2012 at 9:08 AM

let’s do it.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM

See ya on the other side.

I’m prepared – I doubt you even know what’s coming.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 9:09 AM

How hard is it for Republicans to ask Mr. Obama where his plan is and repeat that until it is provided?

Marcus Traianus on December 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

That’s just it. They ARE asking. They’re rejecting his absurd proposal offered last week by Geithner and demanding something realistic. The problem is Obama is more interested in perpetually campaigning and vacationing instead of actually doing his job. And frankly, can you blame the guy? He got reelected with literally no plan for fixing anything(aside from raising taxes) after 4 years of what can generously be called underperforming in the job.

He’s probably making a calculated gamble that if we do go over the cliff, he’ll be spared most of the blame. And sadly he may be right.

Doughboy on December 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Make the bobos pay for the big government they want. When they pay the bill, they will stop being so generous. What people voted for was big government paid by someone else. The entire offshore banking economy is 32 trillion dollars, most of which America has no plausible claim on. The value of all gold ever mined is 10 trillion dollars–again, mostly not American. The money isn’t there.

Sekhmet on December 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Sekhmet on December 3, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Wow, good selection.

BigGator5 on December 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM

unless the White House gets serious on cuts as well as tax hikes, his prediction will certainly come true.

The fact that they put TurboTax Timmy in charge proves they are not serious.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM

99 red balloons go by.

See you on the field, boys.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Indeed. Game on.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Miss Lindsey… all butched up. Sigh.

bofh on December 3, 2012 at 9:13 AM

There is an op-ed in my local newspaper that the reason we have a fiscal crisis is because of our ‘militarism’. At the conclusion, his proof is that after the Vietnam war, we benefited by having lower-cost basketball shoes. Of course he rants about Afghanistan and the ‘military-industrial complex’, too.

Well, let’s see how unemployment improves and sneakers get a little cheaper now that Enterpise is retired. Carriers cost a mint to keep operational, so we should see some immediate improvement somewhere, shouldn’t we?

With ‘logic’ like that writer has, we truly need to go over the cliff. That’s about the only way I see such people will learn anything.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 9:13 AM

I halfway suspect Obama wants to go over the cliff, and if that is the case then there is nothing for it but to enjoy the ride down.

sharrukin on December 3, 2012 at 9:16 AM

If Lindsey Graham–think about it–LINDSEY GRAHAM!!– says it’s gonna burn now, looks like it’s gonna burn. Burn baby burn.

Sekhmet on December 3, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Hilarious.

To even think for one second that the Democrats care about the fiscal cliff is delusional. They are out to destroy the Republican party, and could care less about the fiscal cliff. The reason you don’t negotiate with terrorists is that they care only about getting you off principle and moving in their direction by degrees, because once you’ve given up on the big idea of principle the rest is just haggling. So screw ‘em: if the Democrats are going to turn serious, have them announce what spending cuts theyll accept, first, and then put the negotiations on TV.

MTF on December 3, 2012 at 9:18 AM

I halfway suspect Obama wants to go over the cliff, and if that is the case then there is nothing for it but to enjoy the ride down.

sharrukin on December 3, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Look no further than their most fervent acolytes:

let’s do it.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM

They think this is a game.

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 9:20 AM

See ya on the other side.

I’m prepared – I doubt you even know what’s coming.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Eh, I think she’s got a good handle on it. Sesqui will be sure to arrive early at the grocery store and stand in the nice, straight, quiet lines of people who will peacefully take only what they need.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 9:20 AM

L.I.B.

Mr. Arrogant on December 3, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Gird your loins.

Ward Cleaver on December 3, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Gang of 16…12…9…5…WHATEVER comes in to save the day in:

5…4…3……..

LordMaximus on December 3, 2012 at 9:23 AM

They think this is a game.

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I think it boils down to a lack of understanding of history, finance, economics, or human nature. They cannot grasp that anything could ever rock the comfortable little welfare boat.

sharrukin on December 3, 2012 at 9:24 AM

…and then put the negotiations on TV.

MTF on December 3, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Wasn’t Obama going to put the Obamacare negotiations on C-Span? I wonder what ever happened to that.

forest on December 3, 2012 at 9:24 AM

I am a message board addict (as if y’all can’t tell already), and I ran across an anecdote in response to, I think, some WaPo article–or it could have been WSJ–I don’t remember:

Shortly after the election, our conservative interlocutor took a liberal professor acquaintance of his to lunch. The professor, knowing his companion was wealthy, chose the nicest place in town. When there, he ordered appetizers, filet mignon, cocktails, and dessert. Then the wealthy conservative said, “Well, see you later, Bill.” Then he got up and left, having already paid his bill—oh yeah, he had told the waiter the checks were separate at a point where the professor was visiting the jakes. So now the prof was stuck paying for his own indulgences—needless to say, he is not returning the calls of his dinner companion.

When you are convinced the suits are picking up the bill, it’s surf-and-turf, baby. If you know you are going Dutch, it’s Olive Garden.

Sekhmet on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The best part about going over the cliff is that the BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH meme will be dead and buried.

ctmom on December 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM

There is no such cliff. It is just a Obama scare tactic. This phony is the one who created sequestrtaion, so if it is that bad why did he sign it? Let the tax cuts expire. Then the Dems get ther higher taxes and we get some cuts. DO NOT negotiate with these radicals.

ObamatheMessiah on December 3, 2012 at 9:28 AM

If we do go over the ‘cliff’, the lib nuts will still blame the Rs no matter what. The libs will never want to take back or cut the goodies they hand out and until we get more true cons in office, we’ll never see tax or entitlement reform, repeal of Ocare or cutting of the power of some of the alphabets. I’ve gone over a cliff and it is painful. Hope Boehner finds a spine.

Kissmygrits on December 3, 2012 at 9:29 AM

See ya on the other side.

I’m prepared – I doubt you even know what’s coming.

Midas on December 3, 2012 at 9:09 AM

it’s the end of the world as we know it / and i feel fine

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:31 AM

They think this is a game.

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 9:20 AM

it’s called “gop is destroying the country,” and it just began.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM

$100,000,000,000,000 in unfunded liabilities.

Everything else is small.

Akzed on December 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Sekhmet on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM

SNZ!

Akzed on December 3, 2012 at 9:36 AM

it’s called “gop is destroying the country,” and it just began.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM

You got it backwards there sport. The filthy party of the rat-eared wonder showed up unwilling to do anything but demand stuff including more stimulus money to reward Obama campaign contributors, carte blanche on raising the debt ceiling, and vague promises for spending cuts in the distant future in exchange for immediate tax increases on the hard working Americans that subsidize worthless mooches such as yourself.

This isn’t taking the upcoming crisis seriously and why I think we will indeed go over that cliff.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Obama is playing the GOP clowns like a cheap fiddle.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Bark is doing his part too, haters, he agreed to cut his vacation short by 12 hours.

Bishop on December 3, 2012 at 9:45 AM

The repubs need to pull up stakes and go home.Let the thing go over the cliff.Not one repub voted for Obamacare and that didn’t hurt any of them.Why have your name on a vote when the crash comes?

docflash on December 3, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Progs fantasize about the New World that can be created at the bottom of the cliff.

Too bad the only the only useable building materials will need to be pulled from the talus we bring over with us.

rwenger43 on December 3, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Let’s jump. Then, in 2014, the Pubbies can come back and say, “We tried it hte Rats’ way. The top 5% are paying more of their incomein taxes than anytime in the last 35 years, defense has been slashed, and the economy sucks. We can either continue to double down on the failed policies of the last 6 years or we can move forward with real tax reform and spending cuts. Oh, by the way, do you really want someone who said Social Security isn’t a problem to be in charge of the Seante when disability payments are cut by over 25% in mid-2016?”

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Already bought my parachute. Let her rip!

hawkdriver on December 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I don’t know if the cliff is really that steep in the short term. But the brick wall is the debt ceiling not being increased. If they hold on that the 51% will soon react and not well.

BullShooterAsInElk on December 3, 2012 at 9:52 AM

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012

…WHO Sh!t?…TWO TURDS!

KOOLAID2 on December 3, 2012 at 9:52 AM

it’s called “gop is destroying the country,” and it just began.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM

You’re a freaking idiot. How is spending the future income of our children, “saving” it.

Propaganda doesn’t pay our debts.

But keep talking. The faster we go, the faster people see what your policies do.

hawkdriver on December 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Graham: I’d bet we’re going over the cliff

…(I wish they’d quit interviewing that old chick!)

KOOLAID2 on December 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

it’s called “gop is destroying the country,” and it just began.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM

^^^ Totally clueless. Democrat party consists of socialists and the totally clueless.

These people are so brainwashed the socialists can do anything they want and the GOP gets the blame. The power of ignorance and propaganda is amazing.

darwin on December 3, 2012 at 10:03 AM

it’s called “gop is destroying the country,” and it just began.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Typical moronic leftist. The validity of their babble is not important as long as it is loud, constant and inflaming.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Just let everyone know that we are getting the ‘Clinton Era Tax Rates’, and that the Debt Ceiling remains in place.

Surely, for $2.44 trillion Obama can craft a budget without a deficit, right?

Those tax rates are pure magic, right?

That is the mantra from the Left about those magic tax rates.

Just let all the tax cuts expire, let all the Obamacare taxes roll in, and point out that with all that cash the Democrats should be able to do JUST LIKE BILL CLINTON DID AND BALANCE THE BUDGET.

Oooooooo… spooky the silence you get then!

ajacksonian on December 3, 2012 at 10:05 AM

The repubs need to pull up stakes and go home.Let the thing go over the cliff.Not one repub voted for Obamacare and that didn’t hurt any of them.Why have your name on a vote when the crash comes?

docflash on December 3, 2012 at 9:46 AM

If the rat-eared wonder goes off on his vacation, as planned, then the GOP needs to declare an impasse out of protest. If the pResident isn’t serious enough about averting the shut down as to postpone his $4M taxpayer-paid vacation, then the GOP shouldn’t have further discussion with his minions.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Sekhmet on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Oh, yeah! Even as an Undergrad I learned that the best way to go out with a bunch of leftists was ‘dutch treat’. And gave my order at the counter when wait staff couldn’t do that… more than happy to break bread with the Left, as long as I’m only paying for my own bread with my own bread.

You get tired of Stupid Leftist Tricks very quickly when they see you as The Mark.

ajacksonian on December 3, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Graham would know. He is part of the plan.

Egg on the Republicans with pointless negotiations that are meant to fail.
Go over cliff.
Have progressive (R) politicians like Graham argue that the Republican party is going to take the damage from the stalemate.
Have progressive (R) politicians propose a split the baby in half policy that gives the Democrats 90% of what they want and Republicans 25% of what they want.
Begin new negotiations from that point.

Destroy the conservative value of the (R) party that much more.
Leave the electorate with the bitter feeling of not a pennies worth of difference between the two parties.
Push America towards that final cliff that much faster.
Have the media sell it as a coming together of the two parties, and how some Republicans care more about America and others are rabid neanderthal extremists who want to terrorize the people.

I have seen this movie about 20 times in the last 20 years.

astonerii on December 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

L.I.B. Excuse me Dems my give a d@#n is busted, you own it now . Let’s see what you can do with it, we’ll be watching with amusement, practicing with our guns, enjoying the Schadenfreude. When it goes down, we’ll blame you, payback is a b!t&h, But elections have consequences.

stormridercx4 on December 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

How hard is it for Republicans to ask Mr. Obama where his plan is and repeat that until it is provided?

Marcus Traianus on December 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Most people believe the rich have more money than they actually need. Why not take some of this extra money and simply use it?

That’s the plan.

Arguments made by Republicans to counter this plan haven’t been very effective.

One argument used is, “The rich deserve every penny they have.” But who really deserves what is a complicated ethical problem.

Another is, “Even if we take all that money from the rich, it still won’t be enough.” But Democrats argue with good sense, “At least it’s a start.”

Another possible argument might be that taking money from the rich will indirectly lead to poverty because of the way capitalism works. But that argument is difficult to understand if one is stupid, and there’s a lot of stupid in our country.

Burke on December 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Republicans have one huge advantage in these cliff negotiations. Sure, they will likely be blamed for going over the cliff, but the R’s in the House have the ability to suck the air out of Obama’s second term. His colossal ego will never give in to having a second term spent on battling R’s in the House over few percentage points in marginal tax rates and cuts that will have to be made soon, either by Obama or the next president.

Two years from now, the president won’t matter at all. ObamaCare will have been implemented, the economy will likely be in another recession, the Middle East may be in a crisis, and the president may very well be entering Bush territory in terms of unpopularity. So, if the president cares about his legacy (and he does), he needs to get a deal done – and fast.

The Bringer on December 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Like with Obamacare, the Republicans need to avoid any association with what is about to go down.
Any association-either opposition or support- gives Obama and the Dems someone else to blame when things go bust.
Let them own it. Let people see what Obama and the Dems truly represent.
And for anyone that says that the Repubs need to fight it- like with Obamacare, resistance is futile. The Dems will get what they want. The only question is whether they will be able to use the Republicans as a bogeyman when the ensuing disastrous results occur.

LIB

justltl on December 3, 2012 at 10:20 AM

If Daisy Graham had a pair…and if the GOP had even a hint of a pair, they’d walk away and let the entire shooting match plunge over the cliff…and then ask simply why for nearly four years did the Democrat-controlled Senate refuse to pass a simple budget.

Yeah, it’ll be an awesome spectacle when “it” goes over the cliff…but we will remain as a Nation, and there is a lot more to us than there is to government…we will get through it and get by, and eventually thrive on the other side.

Daisy Graham and his Care Bear buddies in the GOP will cave in and let the White House get whatever it wants because if they don’t somebody might unfriend them on facebook or something.

Sorry, Daisy.

You and the rest of the GOP allowed us to get in this mess to begin with.

coldwarrior on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Remember to point out to anyone wanting the Clinton Era Tax Rates that you want the Clinton Era Balanced Budget to go hand-in-hand with it.

I mean those are BOTH Lefty memes and they do not like it when you couple them up like that. And that if they don’t want that, then they should STOP TALKING ABOUT CLINTON because, you know, Barack Obama is NO BILL CLINTON.

ajacksonian on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Bye bye precious/useless Bush tax cuts

Hello kleenex box for Hotair tears.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Remember to point out to anyone wanting the Clinton Era Tax Rates that you want the Clinton Era Balanced Budget to go hand-in-hand with it.

I mean those are BOTH Lefty memes and they do not like it when you couple them up like that. And that if they don’t want that, then they should STOP TALKING ABOUT CLINTON because, you know, Barack Obama is NO BILL CLINTON.

ajacksonian on December 3, 2012 at 10:25 AM
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Awwww look at you, doing the apples and oranges game. So cute!

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 10:27 AM

. . . You and the rest of the GOP allowed us to get in this mess to begin with.

coldwarrior on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Precisely, they shot off their own foot and now they’re complaining about the bleeding.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Don’t look for Barry to change his mind. He’s in a socialist box and can’t think outside it.

GarandFan on December 3, 2012 at 10:35 AM

. . . You and the rest of the GOP allowed us to get in this mess to begin with.

coldwarrior on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Precisely, they shot off their own foot and now they’re complaining about the bleeding.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM
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ha ha ha shhhhh with the truth. It hurts them too much.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Isn’t there a commercial waiting to made out of this? One with Linda Graham and Maxwell the Geico Pig?

I can see it now – Maxwell yelling wheeeeeee! next to Grahamnesty on skateboards and Maxwell points to the wall coming up as Grahamnesty collides with it.

Yeah, I can really see it.

platypus on December 3, 2012 at 10:43 AM

it’s called “gop Obama is destroying the country,” and it just began.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Fixed.

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 10:43 AM

. . . You and the rest of the GOP allowed us to get in this mess to begin with.

coldwarrior on December 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Precisely, they shot off their own foot and now they’re complaining about the bleeding.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM
——
ha ha ha shhhhh with the truth. It hurts them too much.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Obamacrats jacked up the spending to the highest and most irresponsible levels in US history.

Now Democrats (not you, since you aren’t a US citizen) get to own the tax increases and the pain they cause. Because they caused the need for them. The GOP had nothing to do with it.

This is OBAMA’S economy. He’s unwilling and frankly unable to negotiate because he’s too stupid to know how to, so the country will pay the price for his stupidity and partisanship.

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Obama is playing the GOP clowns like a cheap fiddle.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Yes, math is a right-wing conspiracy.

LOL

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

it’s the end of the world as we know it / and i feel fine

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Of course you do, moocher. Because you really, REALLY believe that there will always be a pocket for you and yours to pick or another handout to which you’re “entitled”.
You cannot even begin to conceive of the pain that’s coming to the moochers when the makers and earners cut you off. You drones are very close to finding out what hard times actually are. And you’re going to learn the hard lessons the hard way. And no one’s going to feel sorry for your hungry azzes.

You’re hungry? Eat your dog. (Preezy kewl-butt thinks it’s great – and HE wouldn’t lie to you. Would he?)
Your kids are hungry? Share some dog with them.
You’re in pain? Cry…but do it quietly. No one cares.
Got no house? Build a cabin.
Don’t know how to build a cabin? Tough. Die.

You get the drift, moocher. The people who actually support your lazy existence are getting fed up with you and yours.

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Your realize now democrat public says,”Ok Republicans where is your plan?”

We don’t go well in making things public knowledge.

tomas on December 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Obamacrats jacked up the spending to the highest and most irresponsible levels in US history.

Now Democrats (not you, since you aren’t a US citizen) get to own the tax increases and the pain they cause. Because they caused the need for them. The GOP had nothing to do with it.

This is OBAMA’S economy. He’s unwilling and frankly unable to negotiate because he’s too stupid to know how to, so the country will pay the price for his stupidity and partisanship.

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM
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Uhhh, no – Dems and GOP get to own it – that’s the beauty of it.

You hate getting dragged kicking and screaming out of that GOP bullshit bubble, I know.

And think of all those wealthy GOP donors, so so mad about losing their Bush tax cuts, all because the GOP refused to compromise.

It’s so beautiful I can’t f*cking believe it.

It is so delicious to see your side squirm and squirm, letting the clock tick by, letting the population see you haven’t bothered to offer alternatives.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 AM

it’s called “gop is destroying the country,” and it just began.

sesquipedalian on December 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Nope, moocher. We’re just gonna sit back and watch you and yours destroy the country. We’re not gonna do a single, damned thing to stop you.
And we’re gonna laugh at your sweet, sweet tears as you starve. Because we don’t care about you any longer. All you leftist drones ever do is take and take and then destroy. Well, it’s time for you to live with and enjoy the fruits of your efforts.

(btw; If you get really hungry, you can always eat a free condom. It’s your “Right”.)

Let.It.Burn!

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Obama is playing the GOP clowns like a cheap fiddle.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Yes, math is a right-wing conspiracy.

LOL

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM
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At least you’re laughing and not crying like most Hotair clowns. Bravo.

Now perhaps you should try to figure out how your party let you get into this hilariously unwinnable position.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Nope, moocher. We’re just gonna sit back and watch you and yours destroy the country. We’re not gonna do a single, damned thing to stop you.
And we’re gonna laugh at your sweet, sweet tears as you starve. Because we don’t care about you any longer. All you leftist drones ever do is take and take and then destroy. Well, it’s time for you to live with and enjoy the fruits of your efforts.

(btw; If you get really hungry, you can always eat a free condom. It’s your “Right”.)

Let.It.Burn!

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:15 AM
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Awww baby girl taking her ball and going home, planning to boycott everything except Reagan Milk©®™.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Awwww look at you, doing the apples and oranges game. So cute!

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Awwww. Look at you…believing that you’ll escape the tax increases. So cute!

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:23 AM

There is certainly a lot of wishful thinking going on in Washington the last couple of weeks. Graham’s doing the opposite, and unless the White House gets serious on cuts as well as tax hikes, his prediction will certainly come true.

A day late and 16 trillion dollars short.

chemman on December 3, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Since he is a Canuck living in Australia they won’t affect him.

chemman on December 3, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Good Lt on December 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM

GL while you are correct that the current administration jacked up spending to beyond obscene the GOP house was complicit by passing continuing resolutions that incorporated the so called one time stimulus into the baseline. A pox on all their houses.

chemman on December 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Awwww. What’s the matter, davey? You don’t like the idea of you and the rest of the moochers getting cut off? Well, as they say in Spetsnaz, “Toughski shitski.”

Hey! If you moochers get really, REALLY hungry, you can always eat your kids (they’re tender)…or your parents (assuming you know who they are)…or your neighbors (if they don’t eat you first).

Enjoy your world, moochers!

BWAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Who cares what you babble about, davey?
You’re a foreigner…and stupid, to boot.

Hey, davey. Did you ever manage to find a job?
Voters are so mean, aren’t they?

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Obama is playing the GOP clowns like a cheap fiddle.

Dave Rywall on December 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM

ROFLOL. As in Nero fiddles as Rome burns.

chemman on December 3, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Since he is a Canuck living in Australia they won’t affect him.

chemman on December 3, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Yeah. I forgot about that.

All the more reason to ignore the stupid troll.

Solaratov on December 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Bye bye precious/useless Bush tax cuts

Hello kleenex box for Hotair tears.

Dave Rywall

Speaking of Kleenex, have you come to grips with Germany’s bestiality ban yet, lol?

xblade on December 3, 2012 at 11:48 AM

1st of all, the ‘Fiscal Cliff’ as being described / used by the media is a JOKE / is WRONG. What they are really talking about is the ‘Tax Cliff’. No deal will be made, the Bush/Obama (HE extended them) will be allowed to run out / end, Sequestration will happen, weakening our military, & Obama & the Liberals will continue to do whatever they want to do without the constraints of a Budget.

We have actually already gone over the ACTUAL ‘Fiscal Cliff’ – we have already surpassed $16.4 TRILLION in Debt – which the CBO & leading economists already say is UN-sustainable! The U.S. Credit Rating has already been down-graded TWICE under Obama. The CBO Predicts the U.S. deficit hitting $20 Trllion sometime in Obama’s 3rd year of his 2nd term…if the country still exists by that point…and Obama wants another Stimulus while insisting ZERO SPENDING CUTS! The man wants tax increases to generate $1.6 Trillion in new revenu WHILE ADDING $1.2 TRILLION PER YEAR IN NEW DEBT – WHAT A FRIGGIN’ JOKE!

Strap on the buckle tight & enjoy the ride down, boys & girls…and will the last American our please bring the flag?! (Maybe the U.N. will give us our own ‘homeland; after Obama/Liberals destroy this one….)

easyt65 on December 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Will any of the f*@ktarded liberal morons be surprised when federal tax receipts CONTRACT after taxes go up?

Nope, because they are f*@king retarded.

tom daschle concerned on December 3, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I think we really need to show just how dumb Dave Rywall and his ilk actually are.

Their Barack Obama, who Dave Rywall fully endorsed and supported and insisted never does anything wrong, has already run up a massive debt even larger than Bush’s – almost $5 trillion.

Now, let’s put that in perspective.

As Mary Katherine Ham previously calculated, confiscating the entire wealth of all of the United States’s billionaires in 2011 would generate $1.3 trillion.

Confiscating the total of all households with $200k or more in income would net you $2.4 trillion.

And here we have pants-wetting boy Dave Rywall screaming and crying that just taxing “the rich” will pay for everything.

This is what being ignorant of math looks like. And one has to remember that. Obama supporters like Dave Rywall simply are ignorant, stupid people. They don’t know math, they don’t know science, they don’t work for a living; they just worship socialism and believe every lie Barack Obama tells them because he has black skin.

northdallasthirty on December 3, 2012 at 12:41 PM