GOP “doomsday” plan: vote “present” on middle-class tax rate extension

posted at 11:21 am on December 3, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I mentioned last week that Republicans had one option to extricate themselves politically from a collapse of the fiscal-cliff talks, which was to just give Obama a House vote on exactly he wants — and then vote “present” to allow it to pass.  ABC’s Jonathan Karl reports that House Republicans are considering a limited version of that option, focusing only on extending the middle-class tax rates and nothing more:

Republicans are seriously considering a Doomsday Plan if fiscal cliff talks collapse entirely.  It’s quite simple:  House Republicans would allow a vote on extending the Bush middle class tax cuts (the bill passed in August by the Senate) and offer the President nothing more:  no extension of the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on closing loopholes.  Congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling.

Two senior Republican elected officials tell me this doomsday plan is becoming the most likely scenario.  A top GOP House  leadership aide confirms the plan is under consideration, but says Speaker Boehner has made no decision on whether to pursue it.

Under one variation of this Doomsday Plan, House Republicans would allow a vote on extending only the middle class tax cuts and Republicans, to express disapproval at the failure to extend all tax cuts, would vote “present” on the bill, allowing it to pass entirely on Democratic votes.

By doing this, Republicans avoid taking blame for tax increases on 98 percent of income tax payers.  As one senior Republican in Congress told me, “You don’t take a hostage you aren’t willing to shoot.”  Republicans aren’t willing to kill the middle class tax cuts, even if extending them alone will make it harder to later extend tax cuts on the wealthy.

I’m not sure what a “present” vote gains Republicans if they only hold a vote on the tax rates.  I’d assume that the House GOP wants to get some credit for keeping middle-class tax rates at their current level, as well as for the AMT fix that will keep millions of us from falling into the vise of a program originally intended to do what Warren Buffett urges us to do again — demand more money from the rich.  It seems to me that the House GOP can vote to pass this bill tomorrow without explicitly violating their tax pledge, and still use the debt ceiling for another round of fiscal-cliff negotiations.

Of course, the Senate might not pass such a bill without any other issues addressed in it.  That, however, puts the onus on Harry Reid, who would then be seen as the man holding the middle class hostage to get his wish list passed.  That’s also true if House Democrats surprise the GOP and fail to vote for the bill if Boehner has his caucus vote “present.”    Obama would almost have to sign such a bill if it passed out of Congress, given his own rhetoric about Republican hostage-taking and the middle-class tax rates — but why not have Republicans force that issue by voting in favor of it?

The true doomsday option, other than flying off the fiscal cliff like Thelma and Louise, would be to pass Obama’s latest offer through a House vote where Republicans vote “present.”  The negative impact those policies have on the economy would be completely owned by Obama and Democrats.  That would create a lot of pain and economic damage that could be mitigated by good-faith negotiation between the parties, but if Democrats refuse to engage in such, then the political options are all that remain for the GOP.


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katablog.com on December 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM

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We should fight, but my point is, and has been that the libs will never be forced to “own it.”

LincolntheHun on December 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Ok wait, there “plan” is to vote present on a middle-class income tax cut extension that they support? Boys and girls, YOU DESERVED TO LOSE!

You vote against measures you oppose. You vote for bills you support. You vote present on con-fluted proposals that the president rams down your throat. The fact that you’re actually considering voting present on something you support only serves to make you look like more an idiot than the MSM is already lighting you as.

Browncoatone on December 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Good, except the Democrat controlled Senate would hold and not act on the bill to extend or raise the rates on the highest tax brackets and therefore, it would never come to a vote. Having only one bill to extend tax cuts for the middle class will allow the remainder of the Bush tax cuts to expire and rates for the “rich” will go up without any further action and, this is the scenario favored by the Democrats.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 12:41 PM

The highest rate is going up regardless. The question is do the other rates go up as well and who gets the blame for the inevitable recession.

By the House extending the highest rate in one bill and all the other rates in another bill, the Dems will have no excuse for not accepting the former.

The GOP will not have broken their pledge, but the Dems will get what they claim to want, and thus cannot avoid blame for the recession.

commodore on December 3, 2012 at 2:59 PM

It’s should be strikingly clear that the democrats have no reason to compromise if the republicans are unwilling to fight for their principles…

Unilateral surrender will just cause the demands to increase.

Choose a negotiating position based on principles and STICK WITH IT!

If that position is, no tax cuts for some unless tax cuts for all, than live with it….or allow the fiscal cliff to go through so that everyones tax rates rise.

At this point, the republicans have a greater chance of losing future voters from their base due to sheer frustration than losing potential swing voters due to taking a stand….

But whatever, the powers that be in the party will make any deal they want purely to keep themselves in the center of things, to hell with the future of the country….most of them have share in transnational corps anyway so as long as some part of the world is booming, they’ll be fine….I’ll wait for the coming emigration wave..

deploylinux on December 3, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Browncoatone on December 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM

I agree in part — again, we elected people to go to Washington to take a stand, to make a difference. I did not elect someone – I am not paying these people elaborate salaries, benefits, medical plans far better than my family will ever get, & ridiculous retirement plans to vote ‘PRESENT’! Take a stand, let your voice be heard, & make your vote count! Have the b@lls to have your opposition of vote in favor of this cr@p be recorded. Gone is the day when our nation was represented by those who sought the good of the nation rather than what is best for their careers! Gawd, I am so sick of the pathetic politics of self-preservation & self-inducing wealth while $crewing the nation/constituents!

easyt65 on December 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Expecting the msm or the commie democrats to do the right thing will get U.S. killed.

Going on a night mission behind the commie democrat/msm lines during actual combat with the current team leads (RINO’s of the Republican Party) will get the members of the team killed and the RINO team lead will not get kia and will report back that it was an unexpected ambush, just one more way to get killed.

Fight like your lives and your childrens lives depend on you.

Just say no.

When the House R’s do fold how many if any will vote no is the question.

Time comes when we the people need to know if we have any one in D.C. on our side.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Breaking on Sean Hannity radio from the Hill:

House GOP make $2.2T debt counteroffer to Obama on cliff

By Russell Berman – 12/03/12 03:00 PM ET

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/270649-house-republicans-make-22t-counter-offer-to-obama-in-debt-talksklj

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Obama is not going to sign onto any thing that does not have a photo op for him on it.

counteroffers on the table notwithstanding….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Obamasite doesn’t care about the USA and as far as working with any party to forge a compromise he said this:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82736.html

“First of all, the sequester is not something I proposed, it’s something that Congress proposed,” Obama said. “It will not happen.”

So, once again everyone is to blame but Obamasite and his failed policies

rsherwd65 on December 3, 2012 at 3:17 PM

The GOP has to try to control the message. Nature abhors a vacuum. it is not enough to vote present without telling America why you are voting present.
If they don’t clearly explain why then the Democrat party will create a reason why and use it against them.
JellyToast on December 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

They are notgoing to control the message. If they vote present the MSM will say they didn’t want to help the middle class

Why is Simpson Bowles preferable to just “going over the cliff,” again? It raises taxes by just as much without specifically going after income tax rates (gas tax was one of the taxes I remember they wanted to raise), but doesn’t cut any spending except sort of defense.
Timin203 on December 3, 2012 at 12:12 PM

One reason is the bill was already written by others. It is fixed.

I would rather the GOP have a fast vote on SB and vote YES and then insist it should not be changed because it was created by wiser folk including famous DEMs

The present vote will boomerang

entagor on December 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM

It’s should be strikingly clear that the democrats have no reason to compromise if the republicans are unwilling to fight for their principles…

Boehner’s 1st real test as Speaker of the House was to fight for a deal over spending while debating a debt ceiling increase. This was his opportunity to show Americans that he could be trusted, that he was a man of principle, & that he would fight for what he believed in.

When the deal was finally made, Boehner declared he had secured something like $500 Billion in spending cuts, that he had successfully negotiated a good thing for America while handing over a debt increase to Obama. Obama & the media wasted little time getting the FACTS out about the deal, about how Obama had only agreed to something like $50 MILLION in spending cuts & that the rest of the cuts Boehner was talking about was not using left-over Stimulus funds on something else but instead leaving it sitting unspent for a while.

The bottom line is ot only did Boehner NOT have the TESTICULAR FORTITUDE to oppose Obama and secure REAL spending cuts in exchange for a debt limit increase he LIED to the American People in an attempt to make himself look good. Obama laughed as he exposed Boehner for giving in – for being his b!t@h in that negotiation! Boehner hasn’t gotten any braver or any more ethical – he is going to cave / continue to roll over exposing his backside to Obama now!

During that same discussion, McConnel refused to unite with the GOP in the House & instead split from them & devised & pushed his own plan – he undercut Boehner, weakening his negotiating power. McConnel is a worthless POS, too, who needs to be booted out of office! I see very few true men of conviction, or moral and ethical fiber, & of courage….

easyt65 on December 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I see two choices: Either call a vote to extend all the Bush tax rates plus fix the AMT and vote for it or call a vote on Obamuh’s ridiculous no-plan and vote present. Either one throws it back on the Dembeciles and/or the Senate.

stukinIL4now on December 3, 2012 at 3:19 PM

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 3:15 PM

The d’s and bho is demanding boehner/r’s give their plan and by golly they did? I bet this is not going to be a fun time at the wh tonight where boehner is to go to a party there?
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letget on December 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Obama’s understanding of budgets would make jackass TV cliff jumping look sane.

In Obama’s world the word budget means spend.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

OF COURSE Obama and the Democrats will not take this deal. Obama has and continues to REJECT every Spending Cut the GOP Proposes. In fact he has already declared he intends to INCREASE SPENDING, stating he wants a new $5/$50(?) Billion Stimulus Bill. He has and also continues to avoid touching entitlements as if it were the proverbial 3rd rail, as he knows he WON the election by promising massive government freebies/entitlement programs!

Obama will PROVE who he is – that he rejects everything else but massive spending (signaled by a request to eliminate the debt ceiling) & tax increases. He, in his eyes, is poised to step on the necks of capitalism, of the GOP, & of this nation (like his anti-colonialist father, wanting to finish what his father started /failed to do – ‘fundamentally change the US’)! He is going for the ‘kill shot’ & will completely reject this proposal….then he’ll go on his $4 million Christmas Vacation.

Obama’s Christas Gift is SECURE, either way. If the Republicans don’t give him exactly what he wants, ALL the Bush Tax cuts expire – including the ones on the Middle/lower classes – and he will be able to blame the GOP for ‘trying to protect millionaires’. If the GOP takes his deal, he wins big & the foot is firmly on the ‘throat’. Its an Obama ‘Win-Win’ Christmas & he doesn’t have to compromise!

easyt65 on December 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM

So, there the U.S.A. is end of 2015 start of 2016, Obama’s about to be gone for good.

What good can be seen looking forward to making deals with this fraud.

Wake up, America, its a low dog sorry ass con..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

letget on December 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

I’m with easyt65 and you too. So sick of Boehner, McConnell & Reid. Boehner is always begging B.O. and imo that is what this is under the guise of “an offer”.

I think Boehner & McConnell are between a rock and a hard place. Trying to figure out how to cave again without looking like it. I can’t think of one thing those two, along with agreeing with Reid haven’t given B.O. all he’s asked for in the past 4 years.

That letter signed by 70 Conservatives & the one from Brent Bozell is probably giving the entire GOP & RNC head ulcers. Nice threat!
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/334470/conservatives-vs-gop-john-fund

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Call the sob’s hand, make the sob ante up.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Quit negotiating with this Bozo!!! Vote Present on a bill hiking the top 1%’s taxes 10% more than Bozo wants. If the R’s vote no it will be defeated, so let it pass. Erase the meme and make the Democrats choke on it. Vote Yes on a bill keeping the MC taxes the same. No change in debt ceiling. Put the bills on Reid’s desk and go home for the Holidays. At least we can say we tried, but we’ll get blamed either way.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Obama’s Christas Gift is SECURE, either way. If the Republicans don’t give him exactly what he wants, ALL the Bush Tax cuts expire – including the ones on the Middle/lower classes – and he will be able to blame the GOP for ‘trying to protect millionaires’. If the GOP takes his deal, he wins big & the foot is firmly on the ‘throat’. Its an Obama ‘Win-Win’ Christmas & he doesn’t have to compromise!

easyt65 on December 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM

You are right. My opinion is that if Boehner/McConnell don’t go along with everything B.O. wants, the R’s will be blamed. So, instead of trying to appease these monsters, they should vote NO. I don’t approve of any “present” vote, it’s a coward vote. We have enough cowards now in the GOP, no need to advertise it.

Another thing I cannot abide from these Establishment R’s is the fact they work against the Tea Party and all Conservatives for their own skins. They need voted out asap.
Ok, rant off:-)

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 3:48 PM

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 3:48 PM

I understand, but a no vote kills any bill. A present vote lets it pass.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM

When I find myself in times of trouble
Mr. Regan makes a return
Speaking words of wisdom, let it burn
And in my hour of darkness
His spirit refuses to adjourn
Speaking words of wisdom, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
Whipser words of wisdom, let it burn

And when the thick headed people
Finally show some concern
There will be an answer, let it burn
For tho they are retarded
There is still a chance they’ll learn
There will be an answer, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
There will be an answer, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
Whipser words of wisdom, let it burn

Hard Right on December 3, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Amen to Hard Right’s little ditty. Let it burn.

OhioCoastie on December 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I understand, but a no vote kills any bill. A present vote lets it pass.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM

What are the chances Obama claims the nation is at a dire/critical point & ‘for our national security’ he uses an Executive Order to affect whatever he wants, justifying the move by blaming the GOP for jeopadizing the nation?!

easyt65 on December 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

One of the incredible failures of the republican party is their inability to explain to the ignorant masses who voted for obeyme what happens when we run out of money. They don’t put it in terms that people understand. To say “we’ll be like greece” doesn’t have an impact. they should say specifics like “if you receive $1500 a month for welfare, when we run out of money your program gets cut and you’ll receive only $900 etc. People only think of these concepts in terms or what does this mean to me. we fail miserably in explaining the pain they will suffer in the future if we keep spending money we don’t have.

phillysfinest on December 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM

One of the incredible failures of the republican party is their inability to explain to the ignorant masses who voted for obeyme what happens when we run out of money.

phillysfinest on December 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Just who do you explain it to? Same proud owners of ObamaPhone or those who have been perpetual students living on public dole? Or zillions of illegals we all support in one way or another?

“Explaining” anything to those who don’t care is delusional. The only thing they want to know is that their bank accounts have regular federal deposits. And that means you and me working and paying taxes so that they live for free. Of course GOP “stands in their way”.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

What are the chances Obama claims the nation is at a dire/critical point & ‘for our national security’ he uses an Executive Order to affect whatever he wants, justifying the move by blaming the GOP for jeopadizing the nation?!
easyt65 on December 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

He’s going to blame the GOP anyway. I say at least make it harder. You may be on to something though. An Oklahoma paper recently said the “Power of the Purse” was removed from the House by a bill (I think it was the Stimulus bill). I want to find the article again. I’ll link to it if I can find it.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Of course you’re not explaining it to the obama drones. the will vote for obama if he killed and ate puppies on stage. But anyone else who is persuadable. The average non-drone indie or dem sees the republican party as for protecting the rich. this is ridiculous but repeated enough times becomes fact. We do a lousy job of defending capitalism and exposing socialism. socialism is a miserable failure throughout the world but a majority just voted for it without understanding the long term consequences. Persuadable voters are out there. Reagan won them huge. No reason romney couldn’t have done same. he choose not to make the arguments. repubs do not explain the consequences of obamunism

phillysfinest on December 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 3:48 PM
I understand, but a no vote kills any bill. A present vote lets it pass.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM

I know, but that’s assuming the Dems would vote yes. Doubt they would, since the R’s advertised their plan (threat imo). Besides Reid wouldn’t even bring it up.

The R’s didn’t vote present on the Obamacare bill, so I think this is just a threat on their part.

With this last “offer” from Boehner, it appears they will continue to negotiate which like you said they shouldn’t do. But that’s been their 4 year pattern and they always get the short end of the stick. Well, actually the taxpayers do.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Hard Right on December 3, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Nice!!

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 4:33 PM

You know, interestingly enough, I was reading Romans this morning and somewhere in the early part of it( I’m horrible remembering “numbers” to locate) I clearly got the idea that a “let it burn” or the milder “let them have what they want/deserve” is biblically sound. If God approves, who are we to stand in the way, heh.

Alinsky on December 3, 2012 at 4:36 PM

repubs do not explain the consequences of obamunism

phillysfinest on December 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM

You keep missing the point. You CANNOT explain much to a child throwing a tantrum in a store. Save for firmly saying NO and taking him out of the store and back to home.

We should say NO right now. Higher taxes on middle class won’t do anywhere the damage that will be done to the supposed 1% who actually create jobs for the rest of us.

Voting “Presetn” will do that damage, in a short order.

Main reason I can’t figure out how so many of you seem so delusional with the L.I.B. mantra. No communist/social country has EVER recovered once set on that course.

Why is it so difficult to get through so many think skulls? Hostory repeats itself and will do so in our case. Bet on it. If we allow job creators to be taxed more.

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

think skulls (above)

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 4:43 PM

My keyboard is shut… (so much for Apple crap)

riddick on December 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Democrats are winning by default. There is no one else on the playing field and if someone does show up, they’re more interested in just getting along than scoring points, let alone victory.

JellyToast on December 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

This!

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

What good can be seen looking forward to making deals with this fraud.

Wake up, America, its a low dog sorry ass con..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Fairly accurate. THe GOP handed themselves over to Obama by supporting the fiscal cliff legislation, and they stomped on the Tea Party to get there. Pass a stinking bill, and then argue your bill. Pretend you are passing Obamacare.

Letting a bad bill pass without a YES or a NO is not going to impress the public. This is like an impotent husband allowing the neighbor to make love to the wife, just to prove he is not totally impotent.

There arent going to be any deals. If we go off a cliff, the DEMs think they gain. if the GOP makes a deal, the DEMs think they gain. Either pass a small bill in the House extending unemployment and restoring payroll tax, or pass Simpson Bowles intact, and stand on your own bill, or lay down and die so conservatives won’t have to see your sorry faces anymore.

ANd don’t go to the Christmas festival until you pass a bill. Who do you think you are, Marie Antoinette Obama?

entagor on December 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

You are right. My opinion is that if Boehner/McConnell don’t go along with everything B.O. wants, the R’s will be blamed. So, instead of trying to appease these monsters, they should vote NO. I don’t approve of any “present” vote, it’s a coward vote. We have enough cowards now in the GOP, no need to advertise it.

Another thing I cannot abide from these Establishment R’s is the fact they work against the Tea Party and all Conservatives for their own skins. They need voted out asap.
Ok, rant off:-)

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Indeed Vote NO.

Stop Government. Force Obama to actually govern for a change.

But I do wonder if the Establishment Republicans are not really just Democrats in sheep clothing. I seriouslly am wondering if they are just part of the Democratic Machine.

It is not playing chicken when you are the chicken 100% of the time. You are just a chicken playing the game with the fox and you lose 100% of the time doing that.

Pure stupidity running the father of Obama Care and expecting the people who did the Tea Party revolution of 2010 would vote for that SOB. I may never consider myself a Republican again. The Republican Party is destroying it’s self. But then too with the clowns running it that is probably the point.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

One of the incredible failures of the republican party is their inability to explain to the ignorant masses who voted for obeyme what happens when we run out of money.

phillysfinest on December 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM

.
How? If you hold a press conference and none of the media show up then what?
If a tree falls in the woods and it’s not reported does anyone know?

LincolntheHun on December 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

No only no, but hell no.

Go off the cliff. Note that deficits are still way too high, even though everyone’s taxes went up. Make the point to voters: if you vote Democrat, your taxes are going up, no matter how little you make. Because that’s the only way to pay for it.

Greg Q on December 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

One more

Oh the economy is frightful
But obama is so delightful
The voters show no concern
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn
**************************
It doesn’t show signs of stopping
U.S. credit rating dropping
See the money presses churn
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn
**************************
U.S. debt climbs way out of sight
High unemployment the new norm
Poverty will grip us so tight
We’ll burn our pets to stay warm
***************************
Nation is slowly dying
Brainless sheep are multiplying
Sanity they like to spurn
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn

Hard Right on December 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Folks, no matter what happens the LSM will make sure to endlessly repeat the cliff diving was the GOP’s fault. Then all those people who allegedly don’t listen to the news (but voted for obama) will blame the GOP.

Hard Right on December 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Vote on a bill that DROPS the tax rates on all income levels.

Vote on another bill that REMOVES tax deductions for everything (well, leave that mtg deduction, perhaps, for now.)

EXPLAIN that the new policies lower income tax rates but increases tax receipts to the government.

Take out ads on TV and radio and on websites explaining the “positive impact to government ‘receipts’ and relief recipients.

Send them on to the Senate. MAKE a lot of noise.

Or frankly, Just Let It Burn.

ProfShadow on December 3, 2012 at 5:44 PM

, or lay down and die so conservatives won’t have to see your sorry faces anymore.

ANd don’t go to the Christmas festival until you pass a bill. Who do you think you are, Marie Antoinette Obama?

entagor on December 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I like that part I bolded. We are sick of these Dem lites. Hope Boehner drinks coffee at the festival, I mean M.A.O.Boehner:-)

We need to start working on those that are up for election in 2014, House & Senate. Jim DeMint is looking for good Senate Candidates now.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 5:45 PM

It is not playing chicken when you are the chicken 100% of the time. You are just a chicken playing the game with the fox and you lose 100% of the time doing that.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Great point, LOL The Tea Party was never given the credit we deserved for the 2010 election. Many of the Establishment Republicans worked against the T.P. then and still do and any Conservative as well.

Where was the T.P. at the Republican Convention? I don’t think they were even mentioned from what I saw & heard.

Hard to win a race when you have to run against the Dems & your own Party. Sarah Palin knows all about that above all of them.

Going to listen to Mark Levin…

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM

LIB, don’t fear the reaper…with 20% more cowbell.

batter on December 3, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Folks, no matter what happens the LSM will make sure to endlessly repeat the cliff diving was the GOP’s fault. Then all those people who allegedly don’t listen to the news (but voted for obama) will blame the GOP.

Hard Right on December 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM

The blame of the state of our Country lies at the feet of the Media. Had they done their job in 2007/2008, we would never be where we are. Andrew Breitbart knew this and fought the good fight.

Yes, the Media will continually blame the GOP, but so what is new?
At least the GOP could grow a spine for a change and get blamed for something for the good of the Country for a change. All they have done is caved and haven’t figured out they still get blamed. Change course, wimps!!

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM

LIB, “present!”

Who is John Galt on December 3, 2012 at 6:07 PM

LET IT BURN No matter what happens somehow,someway the Rs get blamed, vote present and let little Barry keep going, he’ll Fluke it up, guaranteed. Then hang it around his neck, and every time somebody complains you just look wide eyed and say. That’s funny the Repubs voted present, which means the Dems gave you this, enjoy your crap sandwich, and walk away.

stormridercx4 on December 3, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Mark Levin said Boehner is negotiating with himself again. So true.
Said he’s also purging more Conservatives in the House…details to follow he said. He may mean they are not getting any Committee assignments, just a guess.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM

That’s funny the Repubs voted present, which means the Dems gave you this, enjoy your crap sandwich, and walk away.

stormridercx4 on December 3, 2012 at 6:08 PM

This has been suggested before. Do you really think the Dems will vote for a bill that they know the R’s will vote present on? I don’t since they aren’t as stupid as the R’s. Reid won’t agree anyway. Just my opinion.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Hard Right on December 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

LOL, you’re pretty good at this.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Vote “fabulously present.”

Walk away.

Let it burn.

Buy Mayan calendar refills…

or not.

Fallon on December 3, 2012 at 6:26 PM

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Yes, Levin said Boehner is removing solid T.P. Conservatives from the A & B Committee assignments and replacing them. Some stood strong against budget issues. Several Conservatives have not even been given any assignments.

Mark said he’s tracking what Boehner is doing in the House. Eric Cantor is involved in this also.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Yes, Levin said Boehner is removing solid T.P. Conservatives from the A & B Committee assignments and replacing them. Some stood strong against budget issues. Several Conservatives have not even been given any assignments.

Mark said he’s tracking what Boehner is doing in the House. Eric Cantor is involved in this also.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Indeed.

For now there is no real GOP.

Just a Democrat lite party calling it’s self the GOP.

The take over is complete. We are now a Communist One Party Country. Thank you Boner and Romney. Welcome to the United Socialist America. The newest Communist Dictatorship.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Far too many in the GOP are only thinking of themselves and their positions, not the Country. Guess they don’t understand if the Country goes down, so do they. They really need to wake up and realize who the enemy really is. Guess it’s hard to do when they are blinded by greed and power. They should look at history and see the end of those that ruled by those two vices.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Voting “Present” does not give the House Republicans cover. It would be passing the tax increases by a different means, but affimatively choosing to pass it, nonetheless.

The House Republicans have the ability to stop this, if they can keep their coalition together. If the coalition spits, so be it. Better to know who we want to trust in 2014 so we can start getting to work on the others.

If they vote to give cover to their weak sisters by all voting “Present”, it means we can trust none of them. Which is useful information, too. It just means we have a lot more work to do for 2014 primaries.

Haiku Guy on December 3, 2012 at 8:02 PM

If they vote “Present”
Then I will vote “Democrat”
The Devil I Know

Haiku Guy on December 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Well voting “Present” would be something Barry understands. He did it so often. Of course he’ll criticize them for doing so, and the hypocrisy won’t even bother him.

GarandFan on December 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Haiku Guy on December 3, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I agree. It would be good to know which ones we need to work against, good point. From what I’ve heard Boehner purging the Conservatives (see my post above), they may not be able to keep their members together.

2014 elections are going to be difficult since we have the Dems & the GOP against Tea Party/Conservative Candidates.

bluefox on December 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

It is absolutely no wonder Obama beats these guys all the time. How long have the Democrats been calling the present tax rates, “Bush’s tax cuts for the rich.”? The middle class believes they got nothing from Bush and they were also told Romney didn’t care about them. Well, let’s see the “Bush tax cuts for the “rich” expire after the first of the year and then let the Democrats explain how come taxes for the middle class are going up.

I’m sick of belonging to the stupid party.

bflat879 on December 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 7:34 PM

You are a nutter..But you know that..:)

Dire Straits on December 3, 2012 at 9:31 PM

John Boehner is purging fiscal conservatives from the budget and finance committees…U.S. Rep. Justin Amash, R-Cascade Township, was booted from the House Budget Committee, potentially for past votes against key pieces of legislation promoted by his party. In other words; he stayed true to the Constitution and Conservatism. Apparently, there is no room for him or people like him in this Republican Party.

dom89031 on December 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM

All this talk about should they fight for their principles brought to mind a speech from one of my favorite movies.
Braveheart…
Wallace: Sons of Scotland, I am William Wallace.

Young soldier: William Wallace is 7 feet tall.

Wallace: Yes, I’ve heard. Kills men by the hundreds, and if he were here he’d consume the English with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse. I AM William Wallace. And I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny. You have come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What would you do without freedom? Will you fight?

Veteran soldier Congressman: Fight? Against that? No, we will run vote present; and we will live.

Wallace: Aye, fight and you may die. Run and you’ll live — at least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they’ll never take our freedom!!!

Wallace and Soldiers: Alba gu bra! (Scotland forever!)

derCleaner on December 4, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Good idea, but they don’t have the balls to do it

LtT26 on December 4, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Many in Egypt are once again rising against tyranny & another dictatorship.
In America many remain as sheeple to the Dear Leader.

derCleaner: great post, dead on analogy. Wish we had more like Allen West.

Belle on December 4, 2012 at 11:19 PM

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