Boehner counterpunches Obama’s cliff offer

posted at 4:21 pm on December 3, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Last week, the White House tried (or at least, tried to appear like they were sincerely trying) to grease the skids on the fiscal cliff negotiations with a proposal that included $1.6 trillion in new taxes and the virtual elimination of the debt ceiling — a proposal to which Republicans responded with open laughter.

On Monday, the House GOP counter-offered their own jumping-off point, calling for $800 billion in new revenue via tax-code reform and spending cuts and entitlement reforms that would trim off a couple trillion from the budget. Looks like Mary Katharine and Guy Benson came pretty close to calling it, with some variation. Via The Hill:

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.

Republican officials said the offer was based on a proposal outlined by Erskine Bowles, the former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, in testimony last year before the congressional “supercommittee” on deficit reduction. That offer is distinct from the widely-cited Simpson-Bowles deficit plan released two years ago.

And, in Boehner’s own words:

With the fiscal cliff nearing, our priority remains finding a reasonable solution that can pass both the House and the Senate, and be signed into law in the next couple of weeks.  The best way to do this is by learning from and building on the bipartisan discussions that have occurred during this Congress, including the Biden Group, the Joint Select Committee, and our negotiations leading up to the Budget Control Act.

For instance, on November 1 of last year, Erskine Bowles, the co-chair of your debt commission, presented the Joint Select Committee with a middle ground approach that garnered praise from many fiscal watchdogs and nonpartisan experts.  He recommended that both parties agree to a balanced package that includes significant spending cuts as well as $800 billion in new revenue.

Notably, the new revenue in the Bowles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree to in order to protect small businesses and our economy.  Instead, new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reform that closes special-interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates.  On the spending side, the Bowles recommendation would cut more than $900 billion in mandatory spending and another $300 billion in discretionary spending.  These cuts would be over and above the spending reductions enacted in the Budget Control Act.

This is by no means an adequate long-term solution, as resolving our long-term fiscal crisis will require fundamental entitlement reform.  Indeed, the Bowles plan is exactly the kind of imperfect, but fair middle ground that allows us to avert the fiscal cliff without hurting our economy and destroying jobs.  We believe it warrants immediate consideration.

If you are agreeable to this framework, we are ready and eager to begin discussions about how to structure these reforms so that the American people can be confident that these targets will be reached.

As Jim Pethokoukis points out, by the White House’s own calculations, $800 billion is in the ballpark of doable:

Consider the example of a $25,000 cap on itemized deductions, which some claim would raise in the range of $1 trillion or more from high-income households:

  1. Limiting the cap to those with incomes over $250,000 leaves only $800 billion in revenue. A $25,000 cap that applied to all households would raise taxes by an average of $2,400 on 17 million households with incomes below $250,000 ($200,000 for singles). Treasury estimates show that about 40 percent of the revenue from such a cap would come from these households. Thus, the amount of revenue that could be raised from taxpayers making more than $250,000 is only about $800 billion.

The Democrats have been insisting that major entitlement reform is not on the table, and their desire to not go over the fiscal cliff is becoming highly suspect. They’ve been rabble-rabble-rabbling about how Republicans need to introduce a concrete negotiating platform of their own, so here it is, and Republicans have now officially outlined the specific concessions they’re willing to make on increasing revenue (which is, by the way, a huge concession in and of itself that Democrats have hardly deigned to notice). Will they finally come to the table in good faith?

Update: I’m going to further ponder my own exit question here — Guy Benson has more on the politics of it all, and as he points out, the Republicans need to get crackin’ on getting the media to sit up and take notice. They’ll have to come in loud and clear that they’ve produced a mature, serious plan that has something for everybody, avoiding both the fiscal cliff and the extent of economic damage that we’d see with Obama’s plan — so the Democrats can feel free to quit pointing fingers any time now.


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Let the Clinton era taxes commence.

It will show the stupid middle/lower classes how much Obama hates you.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:21 PM

And now for some laughs:

Progressive media claims they’ll be ‘tougher’ on Obama now
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/03/progressive-media-obama-criticisms

Galt2009 on December 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Will they finally come to the table in good faith

this is dear leader and the dems we are talking about….

doubt it…

cmsinaz on December 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

He and Hishonor

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:24 PM

“Sacrifishe as we do” — Michelle Obamanetter

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM

On Monday, the House GOP counter-offered their own jumping-off point, calling for $800 billion in new revenue via tax-code reform and spending cuts and entitlement reforms that would trim off a couple trillion from the budget.

Increased “revenue” equals increased taxes.

Dante on December 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Michelle Obamanette

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Smart to call it the Bowles Plan.

Tater Salad on December 3, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Will they finally come to the table in good faith?

To answer that question you need to use a word that begins with an N, and ends with an O.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Revenue = taxes.

Anyone who uses the term “revenue” erroneously, especially from the gov’t, deserve the guillotene.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM

And more:

Now That the Election’s Safely Over, Liberal Journalists Promise to Maybe Ask Obama a Sternly Worded Question or Two
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/03/now-that-the-elections-safely-over-liber

Glenn Greenwald argues plausibly that the “hurting his chances for re-election” virus quickly becomes fatal in the host:

Once one decides in the name of electoral expediency to abdicate their primary duty as a citizen and especially as a journalist – namely, to hold accountable those who wield the greatest political power – then this becomes a permanent abdication. That’s because US politics is essentially one permanent, never-ending election. The 2012 votes were barely counted before the political media began chattering about 2016, and MSNBC is already – as one of its prime time hosts put it – “gearing up” for the 2014 midterm. [...]

Galt2009 on December 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM

This is all just nibbling around the edges, and no progress is being made.

Never mentioned is the $100,000,000,000,000 in unfunded obligations piled up by Your Federal Government – and no progress is being made.

Akzed on December 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Will they finally come to the table in good faith?

NO. Next question?

DocinPA on December 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM

You know what we need? Some sunshine.

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Swine, 4 million for 20 days in HI and 54 X-mas trees…sure, Mrs. Roosevelt approves of all the sacrifices.

Fools in the media, especially those of you married to the gov’t – may you all have cripples.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Revenue = taxes.

All who use the term erroneously, from the left to the right, deserve the guillotene.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

They need to quit proposing and start voting.

Tater Salad on December 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Will they finally come to the table in good faith?

I’m sitting here giggling while reading that. No way any sane person that has been paying attention would believe Democrats will attempt to negotiate in good faith.

ButterflyDragon on December 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Politicians who hold the land hostage, from the left to the right, deserve damnation to Hades.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

The once freest land is now the land with the most fools in it.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

They’re going to let the Bush tax cuts die, and then offer the GOP the old tax rate on everybody below 250k annual income. Do you think the GOP will vote against a tax cut? We all better hope they don’t choose to alter the deal, and leave it at 250k.

DFCtomm on December 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

this should be the final offer too- already giving up way too much here

Let’s see how the supposed “media” covers this now while Moochelle and Bronco Bama are on their 4 million dollar Hawaiian vacation…

thurman on December 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

I don’t think that Boehner and the Pub elite have figured out Obama and the Dems laugh at them all the time, especially now. The Dems are arrogant and smug, to be sure. But Boehner & Co. haven’t been serious about serving the country and us for decades. That’s how we got to this point.

I wouldn’t trust Boehner to properly water his own lawn.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Erika, Erika, Erika.

“Counterpunches” is not the proper term “c-punch” term to use, since Boehner is involved.

Have you learned nothing?

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Christien on December 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM

back to CVS for another bottle of Fukitol…keep fightin’ pubs, I may recover

DanMan on December 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM

C-Span, C-Span, C-Span!!!!

Cindy Munford on December 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM

What is wrong with Boehner?!

Why doesn’t he understand it’s time to pick up peas and eat a mop?

batter on December 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Will they finally come to the table in good faith?

Is that a rhetorical question?

gsherin on December 3, 2012 at 4:36 PM

What is wrong with Boehner?!

batter on December 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Everything.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 4:36 PM

This proposal also includes, I understand, no limit on the annual increase in Christmas trees at the White House, which according to reports would have been dead on arrival.
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STL_Vet on December 3, 2012 at 4:36 PM

… so here it is, and Republicans have now officially outlined the specific concessions they’re willing to make on increasing revenue (which is, by the way, a huge concession in and of itself that Democrats have hardly deigned to notice).

What concessions?

The $800 billion in new tax revenue matches what Boehner offered Obama during their 2011 negotiations for a grand bargain. Republicans are keeping to their opposition to tax rate increases, and aides said Monday they believe that $800 billion can be raised from the wealthy through other means, which their offer does not specify.

Specifically magic and wizardry. Use of alchemy not off the table.

lester on December 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

In Boehnerville, $2.2Trillion in cuts will equal $220 million in reductions of planed future spending increases.

F–k the GOP.

Why oh why do we keep duping ourselves into believing the Republicans want to practice what they preach?

SAMinVA on December 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

What part of “Walk Away” did they not understand?

Eschelon on December 3, 2012 at 4:43 PM

The offer should have been – NOTHING. We have a spending problem, not a “revenue” problem. Here’s the proposal.

No more baseline budgeting.
Repeal Obamacare in full.
Repeal Dodd-Frank in full.
Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley in full.
Abolish the EPA, OSHA, both D’s of E and HUD (to start).
Balanced budget amendment must be signed into law.
Begin a gradual but definitive privatization of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security to be completed by 2040.
Mandatory term limits for all elected officials.
Go to either a flat or fair tax for every American to be implemented within the next 15 years.

I could keep going, but feel free to add on.

Rixon on December 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM

NORQUIST 2016 !!!

Mr. Arrogant on December 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Will they finally come to the table in good faith?

No.

michaelo on December 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM

LET IT BURN

Rixon on December 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Thinking your making a fair deal with a known “con man” is not a smart move.

Call his bluff and be ready to be the target of the commies of the msm.

They hate U.S. now, if we tell their god king to hump a stump they will still hate U.S. the same.

We have to deal with this ongoing crime or quit crying over spilling our own childrens milk.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

What concessions?

lester on December 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

We agree.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Wow.. Boehner actually did something smart politically. Who’d have thunk it.

Illinidiva on December 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Rixon on December 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM

I agree with you, but why not ask for the moon as stars as well. You stand about the same chance as getting the other stuff.

DFCtomm on December 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM

This whole kabuki dance is phony. Obama want’s two things; to tax the “rich” and neutralize the Republicans. He couldn’t care less about the country or its people and he’s hoping that the nation goes over the cliff and the Republicans are blamed.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

congress holds the purse strings.

the country gave congress a mandate to cut spending.

put your man panties on boehner.

renalin on December 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C..

Keep it simple.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

The $800 billion is exactly the number Obama demanded of Boehner last summer when he blew up the debt ceiling talks. And it’s a number Boehner said then he could not sell to his own caucus. If he thinks he can sell it now, that’s a pretty big distance for the GOP caucus to move.

Might be kinda tough for Obama to argue now that this isn’t enough, or that he shouldn’t have to move as far off his original position.

rockmom on December 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

I wouldn’t trust Boehner to properly water his own lawn.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 4:33 PM

ditto. for some reason reminded me of an old joke with the punchline..”and he’d tell me it was raining”

t8stlikchkn on December 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Keep it simple.

Self rule and personal responsibility or not.

Obama is forceing the issue.

Choose.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM

What is the debt again, +$16.3 Trillion dollars…?

… Then +$16.3 Trillion is the amount we cut from the Federal Budget.

Seven Percent Solution on December 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM

proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

Over ten years, of course. While Obama racked up at least 10-plus trillion in new spending in the eight years of his presidency. I bet a Trillion is savings from wars never budgeted for, and are just an illusion. This is a joke. This is our counter-offer, mind you. We won’t get all of it.

STL_Vet on December 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Galt2009 on December 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

No, they wont. However, all who sleep with the gov’t, may they give birth to cripples.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

won’t

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

This whole kabuki dance is phony. Obama want’s two things; to tax the “rich” and neutralize the Republicans. He couldn’t care less about the country or its people and he’s hoping that the nation goes over the cliff and the Republicans are blamed.

rplat on December 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Actually, he only wants one thing, to trigger a civil war within the Republican Party that he thinks will lead to the Democrats winning the House and keeping the Senate in 2014.

THEN he will really tax the hell out of everyone.

rockmom on December 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

The White House has already poo pooed the deal.

dforston on December 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Fact is, we, are, watering Boehner’s lawn for him now.

$$$$ monthly

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Demonic

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Might be kinda tough for Obama to argue now that this isn’t enough, or that he shouldn’t have to move as far off his original position.

rockmom on December 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

woodwards book has been deep-6′d. NO ONE knows obama blew those up. the MSM has everyone believing boehner blew up the talks. remember obama doesnt work in reality: he works in what he can sell to the 50.1% aided by the MSM. so all this reality talk is meaningless. no matter what the GIOP does, obama is going to blow it up, and the MSM will blame the GOP, and we’re going over the cliff CAUSE THATS WHAT OBAMA WANTS. he’s campaigning (i.e. crafting outright lies for the 50.1% making sure the MSM are checking in and transcribing it all unquestioningly). its been and will remian remain a permanent campaign mode. this is saul alinsly. we’re going full saul now. cloward piven, the whole schmere. entitelemtns arent going to be reformed. if the dems did that ITS THE END OF THEIR PARTY. this is existential for them; theres no need for a dem party if entitlements are really refomed. they are going down with this ship. and GOP will take the blame. the whole way. we all better get used to this. real quick.

t8stlikchkn on December 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

“Will they finally come to the table in good faith?”

This is a rhetorical question right? The last democrat with any good faith retired years ago. Democrat and “good faith” are now a complete contradiction of terms. The very definition of a modern democrat is “mendacious”.

SteveThomas on December 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Boehner counterpunches Obama’s cliff offer

Counterpunch? More like a counter-limp-wristed kinda sorta slap on wrist.

Basically, exactly what you can expect from Boehner.

Norwegian on December 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

The White House has already poo pooed the deal.

dforston on December 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

they were wee wee’d up. thats what they did on JBs plan. treated it like a GI with a koran.

t8stlikchkn on December 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

I agree with you, but why not ask for the moon as stars as well. You stand about the same chance as getting the other stuff.

DFCtomm on December 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM

It really is more for effect than anything else. I know it’s impossible but at least it forces people to look at things from our perspective. Then again, we are dealing with the MFM and the Free $hit Army.

Sigh.

Rixon on December 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

and as he points out, the Republicans need to get crackin’ on getting the media to sit up and take notice.

\

LOL

Is this meant as a serious point?

The same lapdog media which worships Obama will “sit up and take notice” if the Republicans “get crackin’”??

C’mon. Be serious.

Norwegian on December 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Get everyone together and say we are all working while the president golfs and has vacation during this important time in our countries history.

tomas on December 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

When a Democrat Party leader lies to “We The People” and gets away with it, that leader gets a promotion.

Results Management.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Send it to every media outlet and offer up someone to speak in it’s favor. When on, discuss how it is “balanced”, and originally proposed by Erskine Bowles, a Democrat. The point to this is not to get it to pass, but to attempt to be competitive in the media war.

PS. The media had fits over the 10-1 offer in the debates, discuss how this is better than what the leftist media asked for.

Tater Salad on December 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Boehner needs to put his drink down, stop crying, and just walk away. Far, far away. Then he needs to write a sternly worded letter to the WH, and submit his resignation papers at the same time.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

So we are supposed to believe that reducing the yearly debt by 220 billion per year for 10 years would be an actual accomplishment!!??

How about forcing them to spend at pre stimulus levels plus a slight increase per year. 18% increase from 2008 to 2009 was never rolled back. That’s an extra 600 billion per year/6 trillion a decade. Then you start cutting from there. 600 billion should be the baseline net reduction.

can_con on December 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

The “Free Shit Army” is going to meet up with the “Come and Get It Army”.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Specifically magic and wizardry. Use of alchemy not off the table.

lester on December 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I see you are a self acknowledged expert in magic, wizardry and alchemy. Otherwise how could you identify those things.

chemman on December 3, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Complete waste of time. Worse, another neon sign of Republican cluelessness.

Obama couldn’t care less if we go over the fiscal cliff. He’d even prefer we did.

This president, this media, this country, need a shock to the system in the form of a sudden, direct and relentless attack on the integrity and intentions of Obama and the White House. We need a recitation of the bad faith and lies and we need it in their faces non-stop. We need an information war of the highest magnitude driven by the urgency of our Constitutional peril at the hands of this liar and his agenda. We need men who can push through the screaming white noise of Leftist hate and lay out the issues for the people. We need warriors.

But we don’t have those people. And so we will lose until we find them, or find just one.

rrpjr on December 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM

The “Free Shit Army” is going to meet up with the “Come and Get It Army”.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

They’re going to have a meeting at the “Free Lunch Restaurant”.

NapaConservative on December 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Yeah, it’s not a great plan and Obama won’t accept it, but the GOP damn well needs to sell it, because when we go over the cliff they need to be on record with a plan that most in the media would have taken prior to the election.

Tater Salad on December 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

What is wrong with Boehner?!

batter on December 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Where do I start?

tencole on December 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

The offer should have been – NOTHING. We have a spending problem,

not a “revenue” problem. Here’s the proposal.

No more baseline budgeting.
Repeal Obamacare in full.
Repeal Dodd-Frank in full.
Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley in full.
Abolish the EPA, OSHA, both D’s of E and HUD (to start).
Balanced budget amendment must be signed into law.
Begin a gradual but definitive privatization of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security to be completed by 2040.
Mandatory term limits for all elected officials.
Go to either a flat or fair tax for every American to be implemented within the next 15 years.

I could keep going, but feel free to add on.

Rixon on December 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM

My take, based on the reality I have lived the past twenty-five years of these same points of discussion:

No more baseline budgeting. Never going to happen. Can’t defeat the ‘math’ of an operational method in place for decades.

Repeal Obamacare in full. If there had been a Republican sweep, the MSM would cow all the Pubs so that it get’s ‘modified’, but never repealed.

Repeal Dodd-Frank in full. And let the bankers return to power when government knows best? The MSM ‘reports’ on that, were it come to a floor battle, will have 85% of people wanting to hang Republicans.

Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley in full. I’m at a loss on that one, but if the Dems inspired it and the MSM are all for it, it ain’t gonna happen.

Abolish the EPA, OSHA, both D’s of E and HUD (to start). Nope. Too much union clout there, most from the unions that cover Federal workers. The MSM story will be that Republicans want to go back to the days when it was okay to lock workers in a room to die if a fire breaks out, a la the Triangle Shirt Factory fire of 1911, where 146 women died. And you can bet your bottom dollar the emphasis will be that women died.

Balanced budget amendment must be signed into law. Tried that a long time. but when we got one, it had so many loopholes it was useless. Besides, with his Executive Pen, does anything think Obama would respect the law?

Begin a gradual but definitive privatization of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security to be completed by 2040. Bush thought of that like did Argentina, and so many people freaked the idea simply melted away. And, in this political climate, more than half the people trust government more than they do private entities to make them a profit. Even though those companies will make a profit, too, but not at the expense of investors to the level that government steals.

Mandatory term limits for all elected officials. Tried that in the 80s for a few years, and only those politicians who ‘wanted’ it paid no more than lip-service to get re-elected. Then the whole matter dropped dead and vanished like rice husks in a strong win.

Go to either a flat or fair tax for every American to be implemented within the next 15 years. Flat tax? And ‘fair tax’? Toying with tax rates is a power game, a show. The status quo doesn’t have to remain, but politicians like it so they won’t bother to truly try fixing it.

Please don’t get me wrong, for I’d like seeing implemented everything you propose; I am on your side in every instance. But history shows it’s just not going to happen, because the attempts, no matter feeble, never caught on with the electorate at large.

Maybe they had a chance at one time, but in this current political and national climate, they don’t stand a chance.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Stand our ground.

The commie Democrats only control the wasteland large city goverments and voters.

The rest of U.S. can make a living the hard ways.

Leave the commie Democrats to attempt to control the waste land cities. Without the dole it can not be done. The dole roll ones will not come after our outer land stuff in the real way ever.

It is all about hand outs.

About a 1/2 tank of gas from the city centers will be a the start of the safe zones.

Stand our ground while we are able.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The people voted for a big government…so give them a big government. But they gotta pay for it and not leave the bill for their kids.

Deafdog on December 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Yep, as I expected, the Republicans are acting stupid.

Forget the “Media War” – haven’t the Republicans realized this is a war they will never win? Heck they could agree to Obama’s demand and they would still lose the Media War.

What they should do is offer up, verbatim, Clinton’s 2000 budget (which was claimed to be in surplus – but only if you use the government’s funny accounting) and the 2000 tax rates. Then let them scream about how Clinton’s taxes were unfair and the Clinton budget stifled the economy.

But I’m confident the Republican’s will do something stupid instead.

Over50 on December 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

No more baseline budgeting.
Repeal Obamacare in full.
Repeal Dodd-Frank in full.
Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley in full.
Abolish the EPA, OSHA, both D’s of E and HUD (to start).
Balanced budget amendment must be signed into law.
Begin a gradual but definitive privatization of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security to be completed by 2040.
Mandatory term limits for all elected officials.
Go to either a flat or fair tax for every American to be implemented within the next 15 years.

I could keep going, but feel free to add on.

Rixon on December 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Good work. I’d add abolition of IRS. It’s a platform for winning in 2016 with a candidate gutsy and skilled enough to evangelize it.

rrpjr on December 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

the Republicans need to get crackin’ on getting the media to sit up and take notice.

Good luck with that. The Potomoc Pravda is too busy cheer leading for Obama to do any real journalistic work.

t8stlikchkn on December 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

BINGO! Obama doesn’t want to negotiate. He wants to crash this economy to pave the way to full blown socialistic paradise. Let him. Yes, it’s going to be painful (what realistic alternative isn’t here) but the sooner we go to the mattresses, the better.

ghostwalker1 on December 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Stand our ground.

The commie Democrats only control the wasteland large city goverments and voters.

The rest of U.S. can make a living the hard ways.

Leave the commie Democrats to attempt to control the waste land cities. Without the dole it can not be done. The dole roll ones will not come after our outer land stuff in the real way ever.

It is all about hand outs.

About a 1/2 tank of gas from the city centers will be a the start of the safe zones.

Stand our ground while we are able.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Yep, my point above.

ghostwalker1 on December 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

We need a Special Tax on fat fcks that own railroads.

slickwillie2001 on December 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I wouldn’t trust Boehner to properly water his own lawn.

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 4:33 PM

ditto. for some reason reminded me of an old joke with the punchline..”and he’d tell me it was raining”

t8stlikchkn on December 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Are you both calling your state Reps and demanding that in the new Congress they elect ___ as the new Speaker rather than Boehner?

slickwillie2001 on December 3, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Are you both calling your state Reps and demanding that in the new Congress they elect ___ as the new Speaker rather than Boehner?

slickwillie2001 on December 3, 2012 at 5:24 PM

My state reps are all Democrats except for a few. Since I’m not in their district, they’ll just ignore me. Besides, do you really think Pub reps would vote against Boehner no matter how many people made contact?

Liam on December 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM

proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

This is the Democratic proposal right?

I mean we are hardly in a recovery and most likely entering a new recession. Only a certified lunatic would raise taxes at a time like this even more after the 3 trillion tax hike called Obama Care.

Two Democratic Parties. No GOP it has been hijacked by Democrats.

2010 proved Conservatives Win.

2012 proved that liberal Establishment Republicans lose even the easiest to win elections. They drive the base away from the polls in the millions.

I am a lifetime Republican but detest it in it’s current DNC lite form.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Will they finally come to the table in good faith?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Whew, you sure are a funny gal, Erika. You outta take that act on the road.

Odysseus on December 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM

BUCK FARACK

Nutstuyu on December 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM

The “Free Shit Army” is going to meet up with the “Come and Get It Army”.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

I’ll put an ounce of Gold on the ‘Come Get Some’ Army winning.

But y’all are too smart for that sucker bet ;)

Who is John Galt on December 3, 2012 at 5:44 PM

In the parlance of pool hall gamblers, “start chalking and quit talking”. Quit asking the President if he likes it, just pass it, let he and the Senate have the fault if we go over the cliff.

Tater Salad on December 3, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM

It’s a counter offer. The other option is everybody’s taxes going up. Personally, I’m all for raising the taxes on the top 1-5% two or three times what Obama wants. End this R’s are the party of rich meme, they don’t vote for us anyway. I’m sick of getting hammered protecting the rich idiots who can’t figure out how to write an extra check to the IRS to ease their guilty consciences. Put bills on the floor for most of what Obama wants. Let the D’s vote for it and own it. The economy is going into the crapper come January anyway. Obama can own that too.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 5:53 PM

It’s a counter offer. The other option is everybody’s taxes going up. Personally, I’m all for raising the taxes on the top 1-5% two or three times what Obama wants. End this R’s are the party of rich meme, they don’t vote for us anyway. I’m sick of getting hammered protecting the rich idiots who can’t figure out how to write an extra check to the IRS to ease their guilty consciences. Put bills on the floor for most of what Obama wants. Let the D’s vote for it and own it. The economy is going into the crapper come January anyway. Obama can own that too.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 5:53 PM

No it is a 100% cave.

His offer was insulting. Not worth responding to. Only an idiot would respond.

Well the leadership of this party are all idiots. So guess that explains it.

2010 showed how to win the leadership instead tried to bring us back to the days we always lost.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Apparently, Bowles has already disavowed what he said in his testimony. Anyone shocked?

SAZMD on December 3, 2012 at 5:57 PM

His offer was insulting. Not worth responding to. Only an idiot would respond.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 5:56 PM

I agree. Putting up a bill raising taxes on the richest folks was my idea long before this stupid counter offer. Any taxes going up are going to hurt the economy, but that’s what America apparently wants.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM

the Democrats can feel free to quit pointing fingers any time now.

I don’t see that happening, not in a million years. Both parties act like a bunch of spoiled children and everything they do has a political angle.

scalleywag on December 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Boner needs to tell Geitner to get stuffed. Tell that appointed-not-elected proxy to butt the hell out. Tell the ‘lame duck’ President that he’ll have to do a helluva lot more to get elected representatives (facing 2014) to make a deal. In fact Boner et al should be doing everything they can to point out the Obamunists complete lack of skin in the game, how they can readily demagogue their way thru the whole process, because they have nothing to lose now in waging a game of class warfare. Because those are the stakes (besides the entire economic viability of our nation)

rayra on December 3, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I agree. Putting up a bill raising taxes on the richest folks was my idea long before this stupid counter offer. Any taxes going up are going to hurt the economy, but that’s what America apparently wants.

txhsmom on December 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM

No.

It is what the House speaker and Democrats want. Redundant I know. The House Speaker is really a Democrat at least he sure seems to work for them.

2010 showed what the American People wanted. But idiots in the GOP did not allow that in 2012. Instead they drug up the history books and forced a 1960′s mentality on the GOP with the same result losses. Thus the American People had no say in 2012. They had no choice they were forced to choose from two Establishment Idiots with no substantive differences in their positions. Both wanted much bigger government and Obama/Romeny Care.

Bring back the Tea Party in 2014 and beyond and the GOP will make the DNC the has been party.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Boner needs to tell Geitner to get stuffed.

rayra on December 3, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Figured I would correct this.

Boner is the problem. Him and the rest of his ilk that have no idea what the American People are demanding and who represent Big Government every bit as much as the rest of the Democrats just want to make themselves the eventual dictator not people like Obama.

America wants to be America. Not a new communist dictatorship. But Boner is not offering that. Romney was not offering that they both just wanted to be a part of the new Dictatorship of America as a Communist Country.

Steveangell on December 3, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Boehner counterpunches Obama’s cliff offer

With a plan drawn up by a Democrat, lol. You cannot make this stuff up.

xblade on December 3, 2012 at 7:01 PM

It’s a counter offer. The other option is everybody’s taxes going up. Personally, I’m all for raising the taxes on the top 1-5% two or three times what Obama wants. End this R’s are the party of rich meme, they don’t vote for us anyway. I’m sick of getting hammered protecting the rich idiots who can’t figure out how to write an extra check to the IRS to ease their guilty consciences. Put bills on the floor for most of what Obama wants. Let the D’s vote for it and own it. The economy is going into the crapper come January anyway. Obama can own that too.

txhsmom

Obama thanks you for your capitulation.

xblade on December 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

We’re probably going over the cliff. The key is whether the Rs can save face or whether they’ll be blamed.

Illinidiva on December 3, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Boehner counterpunches Obama’s cliff offer

…right!…he just “rope-a-dopes !
…Bonehead can’t punch his way out of a paper bag!

KOOLAID2 on December 3, 2012 at 8:13 PM

The Republicans should take the phone off the hook and let Barry stew in his own juices.

GarandFan on December 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

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