Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on December 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner may have laughed off of Capitol Hill with Barack Obama’s opening fiscal-cliff bid, but the White House will send Geithner to all five Sunday talk shows today to press their bait-and-switch offer.  The last time Obama sent a senior administration official onto all five shows, Susan Rice told a fairy tale about a YouTube video and a spontaneous demonstration outside our consulate in Benghazi.  Wonder what fairy tales Geithner will spin?  You can tune into any of these shows to find out.

Looks like a lot of cliff-diving talk today on all five shows, but if you want some Benghazi talk, CBS’ Face the Nation is your best bet.  Bob Schieffer will spend half the show talking with the major players on Capitol Hill involved in probing the attack.  The best matchup on the roundtables is probably on NBC’s Meet the Press, where Nancy Pelosi lieutenant Rep. Chris Van Hollen squares off against Grover Norquist, with Jim Cramer and Maria Bartiromo on hand.

  • ABC’s This Week: Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner; roundtable with Reps. Tom Cole (R-OK) and Keith Ellison (D-MN), former Romney adviser Dan Senor, former auto czar Steve Rattner, Cokie Roberts.
  • CBS’ Face the Nation: Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI)
  • CNN’s State of the Union: Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, Senators Mark Warner (D-VA) and Kelly Ayotte (R- NH); roundtable with former Chairman and CEO of Hewlett-Packard, Carly Fiorina, Governor Brian Schweitzer (D-Montana), USA Today’s Susan Page, and A.B. Stoddard of The Hill.
  • Fox News Sunday: Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, John Boehner
  • NBC’s Meet the Press: Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) and Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), roundtable with Grover Norquist, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), CNBC commentators Jim Cramer and Maria Bartiromo.

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Geithner is a tax cheat
Buffet is a tax cheat
Obama is a Kenyan but his ears have an Indonesian area code

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:19 AM

II have two questions. If an administration representative appears, do they have to dominate five shows?

Since our culture is all about disclosure, could we have an attribution footnote behind the name of various spokespersons?

Such as:

Talking Points — from White House Counsel or advisor, assistant (And Name)

Intelligence or economic data — from CIA, CBO or AFL-CIO or AQ (Name or report with list of suspects who may have altered, falsified or destroyed information.

They may also get a stipulation for the latitude of a speaker’s source data and freedom to say what they know.

Such as ONC (only non classified) KNAB (Knows Nothing about Benghazi) KNAA (knows Nothing About Anything or VP for short) and best of all, SSP (Super grade Sock Puppet)

IlikedAUH2O on December 2, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Hey I know this is crazy but if he’s gonna be on 5 shows you think 1 of these people outside of maybe Chris Wallace, who I at least semi-trust, could hit him with oh I don’t know, like real questions.

Just a thought and most likely a wishful one.

gsherin on December 2, 2012 at 8:24 AM

gsherin on December 2, 2012 at 8:24 AM

with ya there…

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 8:27 AM

lsm to defend the heck out of timmy and bash the gop for not producing spending cut ideas…it will be the meme of the day…

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 8:28 AM

gsherin on December 2, 2012 at 8:24 AM

question 1: Why won’t Republicans stop being intransigent?
question 2: How come Obama’s the only adult in the room?
question 3: Why are Republicans so intransigent?

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:29 AM

I don’t think any of these idiots knew what intransigent meant until some Dem made it the “word of the day”

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:30 AM

I know it’s easy to sit here in the comfort of my own chair and criticize the GOP. But for the life of me, I just think opportunities abound in this budget fight.

All you have to do is ask yourself what would the Democrats be doing right now if the President was Bush? Outside of lying, that is. What would they be doing?
Well… what have they done in the past?

Well.. we’re talking fiscal cliff here right? Why not ask how smart it is at a time like this for our President to be spending 4 million dollars on a vacation. How much has all of his vacations and golf trips cost the American people. It isn’t like he’s paying for these himself, is he?

What is the responsibility of a government servant? Is the President an Emperor? Is that what we elect?

So what if the press ignore this line the first time you state it. That never stops Democrats. Besides.. its an abuse of taxpayer money.

The nation’s economy is going into the tank and our chief executive is taking 4 freaking million dollar vacations! And if this were a Republican President that is all we’d hear about! And quit honestly.. we should! And yet the GOP doesn’t want to be mean, I guess. As their party is being lead tot he gallows, they don’t want to insult or upset the hangman.

It is so freaking past time to get real here! I know his vacations are a drop in the bucket.. but it is something the people can understand! I bet with all the other partying that goes on,, the $100. a lb. steaks he likes to eat… their are significant expenses being rung up to keep the Obama’s entertained and well fed…. all at our expense!

We’re not talking about taking food stamps from someone! We’re talking about privileges and the abuse of privilege during a time all the experts of smart say we’re going off a fiscal cliff!

Yeah.. I’m all for letting it burn. But we need to make the case as to why! It’s the spending! Until that stops there is no point in anything else!

JellyToast on December 2, 2012 at 8:31 AM

“how come Republicans want their Slurpees and the keys back? What are they, like, intransigent or something?

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM

slade

heh
:)

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Yeah.. I’m all for letting it burn. But we need to make the case as to why! It’s the spending! Until that stops there is no point in anything else!

JellyToast on December 2, 2012 at 8:31 AM

If by “we” you mean us and the GOP you’re gonna be sorely disappointed ;)

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:42 AM

don’t fear the Grover

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:29 AM

I meant beyond those type of questions which I already expect. Like what their plans are and if they’re gonna just jam some POS bill at the last minute that solves nothing.

gsherin on December 2, 2012 at 8:50 AM

JellyToast on December 2, 2012 at 8:31 AM

Your drawing that you linked last night is exquisite. Thanks for sharing your talents with us.

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM

and look who’s supposedly giving the “opposing” viewpoints on the sunday shows

gramhnesty, rollins, coburn, senor. they should be tarred and feathered.

the gop is infested with statists.

renalin on December 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Which word is most overused in the greedy for power DC/NYC cabal?

“Crisis”

“The rich”

“Shared sacrifice”

“The wealthiest among us”

or………”Revenue enhancements”?

PappyD61 on December 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM

PappyD61 on December 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM

fair share

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Heres a question I’d like to ask……….

Why are POLITICIANS so GREEDY?

They are like fire………they are NEVER satisfied.

PappyD61 on December 2, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Guess little timmy will be lying on the five shows as rice did when she went on the five shows? Truth is foreign to bho and anyone around him!
L

letget on December 2, 2012 at 9:06 AM

the gop is infested with statists.

renalin on December 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM

the GOP are Statists, only recently afflicted with some intransigent Tea Party types. They don’t deserve our support.

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:07 AM

timmy lying to candy’s face….

spending cuts already enacted are a part of the deal…

that 2.5 cuts to 1 revenue is this deal proposed by timmy….lol

What a crock

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

timmy say they want to do meaningful spending cuts but won’t lay out specifics…

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 9:09 AM

and look who’s supposedly giving the “opposing” viewpoints on the sunday shows

gramhnesty, rollins, coburn, senor. they should be tarred and feathered.

the gop is infested with statists.

renalin on December 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM

MSM doesn’t want a strong conservative criticsm of Obama, just a lame RINO “rebuttal.”

Wethal on December 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM

the old savings from the war meme

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I don’t think any of these idiots knew what intransigent meant until some Dem made it the “word of the day”

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Kind of ranks right up there with meme, talking points (which I call lies), fiscal cliff, extreme, radical, fair share, millionaires and billionaires….

We can thank Ezra Klein’s JournOlist for the lack of creative adjectives; or, I suppose, the lack of original and critical writing/thinking skills. Journalists, I use the word loosely, are sent daily phrases for use in their articles. Intransigent was their favorite in 2010. Remember when imbeds, surrogates, and kerfuffle were used so much?

herm2416 on December 2, 2012 at 9:12 AM

if tax rates dont’ go up…there won’t be a deal and the blame will be placed on the gop
-tim

cmsinaz on December 2, 2012 at 9:13 AM

ooooooooo!

tough question Candy

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Remember when Timmy was first nominated as Secretary of Treasury? We, and Congress, were told by the incoming Administration that Timmy had to be confirmed, simply had to be confirmed, since Timmy and only Timmy was able to understand the intricasisies of getting us out of the econimic mess we were in, and the banks would all go under and the dollar would be reduced to zip if Tmmy were not confirmed?

Well…Timmy got the job.

And since getting the job, what has he actually done?

You know, besides spending a hell of a lot of our money so Obama can reward campaign bundlers and contributors?

Only Bernie Madoff could have pulled off the Ponzi of the century….until there was Timmy. Timmy makes Carlo Ponzi look like a rank amateur. Timmy makes Madoff look like a financial hobbyist.

coldwarrior on December 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

In the Van Susteren interview with Sarah Palin that someone linked to last night, Greta said that any reporter who asks this administration a hard question (or follows up with more) is cut off from access to the WH. What kind of freedom of the press do we have if the media themselves agree to be nothing more than transcribers of the regime’s talking points?

Each of these programs featuring Geithner should have had two or three economically savvy challengers to Timmy’s hogwash.

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Gee, Timmy G and The Walking Dead Season Finale on the same Sunday!

pilamaye on December 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

If I wanted a fat girl to tell me Obama’s the only adult in the room, I’d watch Candy Crowley

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Beohner is oranger than a drunk Cheeto

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Two of the biggest crocks in Geithner’s plan is to have another “stimulus” outlay (read that: political spoils) and to give the president an unlimited debt ceiling (Junior gets a credit card for more spending). Do any of the interviewers understand the concept of checks and balances in the role that the legislature is supposed to play?

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Allah, damn you.

I was on an elevator the other day. The lights flickered, and I cursed you….

ted c on December 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Beohner’s not only orange – he’s dumb

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Who cares what these scum buckets say on the sunday talk shows. They all lie and screw us. In fact, their job is not to represent us but to fool, trick, steal from the few taxpayers left.

My christmas wishlist for republicans. Democrats are a lost cause;

*Boner gone- read that every GOP house chair is a guy. Great diversity boner you liberal hunk of doo, doo
*McConnell gone- you crap liberal go along to get along wuss. Put no tea party senate members in leadership. Jerk!
*Preius RNC chair gone- rigged the election process for Romneycare. Put bush sichophants in leadership positions, closed out tea party and conservatives
*Karl Rove gone- took $100 mil for american crossroads and blew the money. Candidates could have used that instead of him playing kingmaker. Is a closet powerbroker who has ruined conservatives.
*Ed Gillespie gone- Rove’s partner, cheif of romneycare campaign, been around for ever, greased Romney’s path to the nomination.
*Every freakin Bushie- been around for 90 years, 5 generations. Have ruined conservatives. Cronyism at it’s best, all of them have made millions from power of the years while we have got screwed.
*Chris Christie- that fat pig liberal- just for giving aid and comfort to Obama

The list could go on and on… Why aren’t their any consequences. In sports, if a team su*ks they fire the manager, etc.. We just lost and EVERYBODY STILL HAS THEIR JOBS, IN FACT THEY ARE TELLING US WHO OUR NOMINEE WILL BE IN 2016 (BUSH).

My rule, anyone in power out, anyone out of power in!!!!

Danielvito on December 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Allah, damn you.

I was on an elevator the other day. The lights flickered, and I cursed you….

ted c on December 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

I hope that you didn’t see that zombie child floating around Brazil.

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

I hope that you didn’t see that zombie child floating around Brazil.

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

thats exactly what I saw. The only way i could get myself unskeered was to think of a guy dousing himself in ice cream. Either that, or Russell Brand’s rendition of “I am the Walrus.”
/options. poor ones

ted c on December 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Paul Ryan for Speaker. What a dork Boehber is.

ExpressoBold on December 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

ExpressoBold on December 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

you’re gonna make him cry

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:31 AM

“Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner may have laughed off of Capitol Hill with Barack Obama’s opening fiscal-cliff bid, but the White House will send Geithner to all five Sunday talk shows today to press their bait-and-switch offer. “

That is so all the anchors and pundits can let him lie as they reinforce it for him and demand to know why Republicans are blocking any progress.

NeoKong on December 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

CNN is mentioning Benghazi. Candy just said we still don’t know what happened. Wish she’d admitted that in the second debate.

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

you’re gonna make him cry

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 9:31 AM

.
I’m sure it won’t take much.

ExpressoBold on December 2, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Let it crash to the bottom of the “Cliff” . . . enough of these money sucking socialists and their attempts to take from the productive members of society and give it to the social parasites. This is the line that must be drawn and not Obama’s laughable deal.

rplat on December 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Geitner is one of the main players in decisions at the White House, If anyone ever had any doubts that the inmates are running the asylum Timmy allayed them in his interview with Wallace.

Speakup on December 2, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Paul Ryan for Speaker. What a dork Boehber is.

ExpressoBold on December 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Ryan has his sights set on a better job than Speaker. Although Cantor would really like Boehner’s job.

Illinidiva on December 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Illinidiva on December 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM

i heard he’s setting his sites on running a 6 minute mile.

renalin on December 2, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Umm.. Are you a Palinista or a liberal troll? I keep getting the two confused as they both seem to want to do harm to the conservative movement.

Illinidiva on December 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

don’t fear the Grover

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:45 AM

The administration is calling out more Sesame Street muppets?

socalcon on December 2, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Tea Party II Electric Boogaloo.

Norquist 2016 !!!

Mr. Arrogant on December 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM

If Republicans sign on to a deal that raises taxes, they risk an open break with large portions of their base. “This is a time of testing for you,” more than 70 conservative leaders write in an open letter sent Friday morning to every GOP member of Congress.

Their tough message was amplified and sharpened in a separate letter to Reince Priebus, the RNC’s chair, written this week by Brent Bozell, the chairman of ForAmerica and a noted fundraiser for conservative groups combating media bias and liberal legislation.

“I will make it my mission to ensure that every conservative donor to the Republican Party that I have worked with for the last three decades—and there are many and they have given tens of millions to Republican causes—gives not one penny more to the Republican Party or any member of Congress that votes for tax increases.”

Let’s see if we hear from Boehner or McConnell. Glad to see this action taken. Way past time to call these “talkers” called out.

Link: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/334470/conservatives-vs-gop-john-fund

bluefox on December 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM

socalcon on December 2, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Yep. The closet is full of them.

coldwarrior on December 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Umm.. Are you a Palinista or a liberal troll? I keep getting the two confused as they both seem to want to do harm to the conservative movement.

Illinidiva on December 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Well, I’m not confused as to which you are.

bluefox on December 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM

…fiscal cliff…fiscal cliff…fiscal cliff…fiscal cliff…I’M NOT WATCHING!…JUMP!… you babbling bums!…take the Press with you!…JUMP!

KOOLAID2 on December 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

KOOLAID2 on December 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Amen to that!! I’m so sick of these wimps of the GOP. They have caved for the last 4 years and they will cave again.

Newt is right in saying: Yet the fiscal cliff is entirely a manufactured threat.

The same people who are now negotiating worked two years ago to create the mess which they say is such a threat.

Every time you hear “fiscal cliff” just remember it is an artificial invention of the Left.

The current negotiations are phony, dishonest, and calculated to produce either a failure to be blamed on the Republicans or a success defined by the collapse of the Republican policy positions.

These comments are contained in an email I received from Newt on 11/30/12.

bluefox on December 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Are any of the talking heads going to mention that along with the “revenue” the government is going to steal gain that they are also talking about another stimulus package? I guess it’s time to pay off Obama’s bundlers from this election. Folks, we need to raise hell. This is ridiculous.

Cindy Munford on December 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM

I’m sure this has been asked and answered numerous times but I haven’t been around, is AP on a well deserved vacation?

Cindy Munford on December 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

…fiscal cliff…fiscal cliff…fiscal cliff…fiscal cliff…I’M NOT WATCHING!…JUMP!… you babbling bums!…take the Press with you!…JUMP!

KOOLAID2 on December 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

I’m with you. I can’t watch, listen or read any of them anymore.

Right or left, no one listens, no one moves outside the prescribed talking points.

Yesterday, I was watching one of the FOX Saturday morning business shows when the lib, Julian something, was asked about fiscal cliff, raising taxes, cutting spending etc…….His response was that Obama’s plan was way better for the economy and have NO IMPACT on job creation.

Not a single, so-called conservative reacted to that last part of his statement by pointing out that impacting job creation, i.e. more jobs being created, is exactly what we need.

There is no real debate, no discussion of ideas, just blah, blah, blah and yada, yada, yada.

Jvette on December 2, 2012 at 12:24 PM

i heard he’s setting his sites on running a 6 minute mile.

renalin on December 2, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Beats your twelve.

CW on December 2, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I’m sure this has been asked and answered numerous times but I haven’t been around, is AP on a well deserved vacation?

Cindy Munford on December 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Question has been asked but unanswered.

Maybe we should form a search party.

Jvette on December 2, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Jvette on December 2, 2012 at 12:32 PM

That does not make me happy. Not that that is anyone’s goal but I just thought I’d pass it on.

Cindy Munford on December 2, 2012 at 12:36 PM

No increases in revenue of any kind make sense to a government that cannot control its spending.

SPENDING CUTS!

Period.

Until they demonstrate some fiscal responsibilityt, no more money from anybody or anything.

Not taxes, fees, NOTHING.

Spending is the problem, not too low a rate of government extortion upon the People.

That should be the GOP’s response to Obama’s farcical accusations and recommendations.

Period.

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 12:37 PM

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 12:37 PM

That doesn’t even appear to be on Obama’s list.

Cindy Munford on December 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 12:37 PM

That doesn’t even appear to be on Obama’s list.

Cindy Munford on December 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Obama is a low-class Three Card Monty flim-flam artist, tinhorn huckster, pathological liar, world-class bamboozler, and sleazebag hustler all-in-one.

He should be suckering passing people on a corner in Manhattan with a folding table and bogus game of chance not running the greatest nation on Earth.

He suckered 51% of the Uber-gullible with his oily line of B.S.

And the rest of us must pay for their folly and his megalomania.

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 1:00 PM

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 12:37 PM

As I said on a thread yesterday or the day before….

The idiots who reelected Obama don’t care about the massive spending. They are not the ones who will be paying for it, neither will their children or grandchildren because they don’t pay income taxes. They are the recipients of all that spending, not the payers.

Jvette on December 2, 2012 at 1:03 PM

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 1:00 PM

It’s very disheartening, the Democrats have control of the schools and are cranking out stupid as fast as they can. I am not hopeful. If we had a press……..

Cindy Munford on December 2, 2012 at 1:13 PM

but his ears have an Indonesian area code

Slade73 on December 2, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Rats

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM

not running the

(once)

greatest nation on Earth.

He suckered 51% of the Uber-gullible with his oily line of B.S.

And the rest of us must pay for their folly and his megalomania.

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Realism, my intelligent friend, realism.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Woops, that (once) was meant to be bolded.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2012 at 1:38 PM

TG: If Republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the Clinton levels, a time when the American economy was doing extraordinarily well, then there will not be an agreement.

Let all taxes go to Clinton levels.

It will show the stupid middle class how much Obama hates YOU.

Hypocrites unite!!!

Fools, from the left to the right – the rich never pay more. They just add the increase to the prices of what they sell/provide.

Obama hates the middle/poor classes, while he and Michelle live like Louis XV and Madame de Pompadour.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I am wondering if the sequester, which of course, is a mess, and cuts randomly, and without prioritizing what to cut an what not to cut…(What is wrong with this picture?) is another part of the financial “cliff”. I am wondering what impact it will have on the budget lines, and the baseline budgeting. I think this is what Mrs. Pelosi was whining about at the end of last week, that she had “made” a trillion dollars in cuts to the budget and gotten no credit for it.

Do You know if this is what she was talking about?

I want the budget in writing, I want it passed by the senate and signed by the president.

If the sequester funds roll the budget lines for departments in the opposite direction this is good, because the 2009 $787 Budget stimulus inflated budget lines.

This is not the cliff with the tax rates, but no one is talking about it, and the only thing you hear about is Devastating cuts to the Military.

Fleuries on December 2, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Not a talk show, the CSB Sunday Morning (and John Meacham) deliver yet another attack on one of our Founding Fathers. How many times do we have to whip ourselves into contrition for their ownership of slaves in early America?

I eagerly await the expose on Woodrow Wilson and his explicit racist policies and on Margaret Sanger, who advocated sterilizing black women. You think it will ever happen??

PattyJ on December 2, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Agree with spending cuts, but our Dear Leader won’t stand for it.
He promised more teachers, police & firefighters….more taxpayer funded jobs. Bigger & better government unions. More solar & wind power to pay back his democratic donors. More vacations, more golf, lets start with a 4 million taxpayer funded 20 day Hawaiian vacation in January.
So one way or another, he’ll get what he wants & think of Congress as invisible.
Just wait until Pocahontas goes to Washington…big mouth, big stick.
Republicrats wanted all of this. Allen West, a fine conservative, done over by his own party.
We need more Boehners, less Wests, right?
No need for me to vote again, we are under 1 party rule.

Belle on December 2, 2012 at 4:34 PM

This country is heading for a split.

Kjeil on December 2, 2012 at 5:49 PM