Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 1, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

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One month before the deadline, negotiations between President Barack Obama and Republicans to save the economy from a plunge over the fiscal cliff are still in the throat-clearing stage. Serious bargaining is on hold while the two sides vie for political leverage.

Deal or no deal, nothing is likely to become clear until far closer to the year-end deadline, when the lure of getting away for the holidays will sharpen the focus of negotiators.

‘‘There’s a stalemate. Let’s not kid ourselves,’’ House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Friday, punctuating the end of a week of political theater by divided government. ‘‘Right now we’re almost nowhere.’’

He spoke as Obama all but called Republicans heartless louts from a Charles Dickens story. Their failure to pass an extension of middle class tax cuts would amount to a Christmas ‘‘lump of coal’’ for millions, Obama said in Hatfield, Pa. ‘‘That’s a Scrooge Christmas,’’ added the recently-re-elected president, who claims a voters’ mandate to extend existing tax cuts for all but upper incomes.

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Facing backlash from Republicans as the fiscal cliff nears, anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist defended his position Tuesday, claiming that the constant pressure of hitting the debt ceiling gives the GOP “leverage” to press President Obama on tax rates and spending cuts.

“Taxpayers are best protected if the ‘negotiations are on CSPAN so they cannot be misrepresented by ‘spokesmen,’” Norquist wrote in a column for The Hill. “The debt ceiling that Obama’s plans bump into every month or so for the next four years provides plenty of ‘leverage’ for the GOP to trade for spending cuts — as done in 2011 — or continuing the lower rates.”

Norquist continued: “The debt ceiling and continuing resolutions to fund the government are more secure tools than a hope that Obama has become Bill Clinton.”

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I don’t think President Obama wants to go down as the worst president in history, do you?

Well, that’s what going over the fiscal cliff will make him. And that’s why the Republicans have a lot a leverage.

The massive spending cuts and tax increases set to kick in January 2 will cause a second recession, from which we may not emerge for many months. The economy may not really get going for years. Obama will have presided over two terms of economic disaster. It will ruin his legacy, and sow the seeds for a major Republican revival.

Republican revival? But the Republicans are going to get blamed, you say.

They will, in the short run. But in the end, it will be the president who failed to somehow make a deal. Presidents are ultimately responsible for their presidencies. The good ones tame their enemies, pick off some of them and make them allies, and get a good result. The bad ones go over fiscal cliffs.

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Rep. Lee Terry, R-Nebraska, says it would be politically advantageous for President Obama if no deal on the fiscal cliff is met by the end of the year, calling the administration’s proposals to tame the nation’s debt “disingenuous.” …

If the U.S. economy goes over the cliff, Terry says, Obama could come back to Congress a couple months later with a bill to lower taxes on the middle class. The Republicans would feel pressure to vote in favor of it because the GOP supports lower taxes, he says.

“Many of us feared the president’s real plan was to let us go over the fiscal cliff and blame the Republicans,” Terry said. “That’s what it looks like we’re being set up to do.” …

Terry said the debt ceiling is “about the only level of leverage we have.”

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If you don’t want that, you need to cut spending – like Harry Reid’s been doing. “Now remember, we’ve already done more than a billion dollars’ worth of cuts,” he bragged the other day. “So we need to get some credit for that.”

Wow! A billion dollars’ worth of cuts! Washington borrows $188 million every hour. So, if Reid took over five hours to negotiate those “cuts,” it was a complete waste of time. So are most of the “plans.” In fact, any “debt reduction plan” that doesn’t address at least $1.3 trillion a year is, in fact, a debt-increase plan.

So, given that the ruling party will not permit spending cuts, what should Republicans do? If I were John Boehner, I’d say: “Clearly there’s no mandate for small government in the election results. So, if you milquetoast pantywaist sad-sack excuses for the sorriest bunch of so-called Americans who ever lived want to vote for Swede-sized statism, it’s time to pony up.”

OK, he might want to focus-group it first. But that fundamental dishonesty is the heart of the crisis. You cannot simultaneously enjoy American-sized taxes and European-sized government. One or the other has to go.

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The election is over, a new era begins—and it looks just like the old one. A crisis is declared. Confusion, frustration, and a more embittered process follow. This is . . . the Obama Way. Nothing has changed, even after a yearlong campaign that must, at times, have looked to him like a near-death experience. …

You watch and wonder: Why does it always have to be cliffs with this president? Why is it always a high-stakes battle? … Why is there never a sense with Mr. Obama that he understands the other guys’ real position?

It’s not as if Mr. Boehner and the Republicans wouldn’t deal. They’ve been weakened and they know it. A year ago they hoped winning the Senate and the presidency would break the stasis. They won neither. Mr. Obama not only was re-elected, it wasn’t that close, it was a clean win. If the president was clear about anything throughout the campaign, it was that he wanted to raise taxes on those he calls the rich. …

So they’re weakened, they want this particular crisis to end, and they badly need to win entitlement reforms that would, in the end, buttress the president’s historical standing—and the president isn’t working with them every day and making a deal?


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Leverage????

Hold on folks..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Is AP on vacation or did I miss some big announcement?

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I don’t think President Obama wants to go down as the worst president in history, do you?

Does it matter?

History will say that Obama was better then Washington..or Lincoln..

It’s all in the writing of history..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Is AP on vacation or did I miss some big announcement?

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

AP was banned by Ed..

:)

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Time for the GOP to present their own plan – call that SOB’s bluff.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:35 PM

L.i.B.

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:35 PM

:)

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:34 PM

SNORT

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:35 PM

One month before the deadline, negotiations between President Barack Obama and Republicans to save the economy from a plunge over the fiscal cliff

Oh help us, help us. If our great leaders don’t act we will all die! Everyone give them all your money so they will save us once again and we don’t all die!

VorDaj on December 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I don’t think President Obama wants to go down as the worst president in history, do you?

LOL. Barky is already the worst Precedent in history. He’s the worst national leader in history. Of course, this population of brain dead Americans who hate America are the only population that ever elected someone as head of government who absolutely hates the nation and everything it stands for. And then the idiots did it again!

Barky will be a cautionary tale for millenia and this generation of Americans a laughing stock.

Suicide by Indonesian … and a dog-eating retarded Indonesian, at that. Friggin embarrassing.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Mr. Obama not only was re-elected, it wasn’t that close, it was a clean win.

…who says?

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 8:40 PM

America would be so much better off if Washington D.C. was hit by an asteroid and will none of these con men were on another vacation at the time.

VorDaj on December 1, 2012 at 8:40 PM

You watch and wonder: Why does it always have to be cliffs with this president? Why is it always a high-stakes battle? … Why is there never a sense with Mr. Obama that he understands the other guys’ real position?

Who says he doesn’t understand it?

Cleombrotus on December 1, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Let’s give him unlimited borrowing authority so he can fund obamacare.This guy never stops he’s the energizer spender!

tim c on December 1, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Why does it always have to be cliffs with this president?

“Never let a [faux] crisis go to waste.”

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 1, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Obama is like an arsonist who goes around setting fires and then wants to be praised if he allows someone else to put some of them out a little.

VorDaj on December 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Mr. Obama not only was re-elected, it wasn’t that close, it was a clean win.

…who says?

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Chicago

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Obama is like an arsonist who goes around setting fires and then wants to be praised if he allows someone else to put some of them out a little.

VorDaj on December 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Good analogy

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

History will say that Obama was better then Washington..or Lincoln..

It’s all in the writing of history..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I suspect the final act of Obama’s Presidency will be to initiate an astro-turf movement in the LSM to have Mt. Rushmore blown to bits and replaced with a newly sculpted image of Teh One — being most suitable to the size of his ego … (and if the artist has a good sense of humor, an accompanying teleprompter in front).

ShainS on December 1, 2012 at 8:45 PM

first we have to be real about where we are.

barry has a press that attacks Mitt for bengahzi…they WILL do anything to dis-qualify the R party from ever holding power. Rush is correct about that.

so in some sense i don’t think it makes much difference. They will be the losers…so they best thing is to lose without eliminating their brand.

talking about Medicare will eliminate your brand. Complex discussions aren’t gong to work with a left-wing press and a illiterate electorate. It is what it is. Rs need to play long ball. 5 years, 10 years down the road. They need to reconstruct who they are, and purge the party of corruption

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM

The Official Lady Liberty of Freedom…….(L.I.B Mascot)

**********************LET IT BURN **********************

http://ak4.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/743158/preview/stock-footage-statue-of-liberty-with-fire-background-waving-loop.jpg

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Does it matter?

History will say that Obama was better then Washington..or Lincoln..

It’s all in the writing of history..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Because we let the Leftists take over Academia and so they’re the ones who write the history…among other things. I maintain that having American Conservatives looking down their noses at higher education for generations has gotten us into this mess. Still see it here with constant attacks on the public education and the college debt threads. How’s it working for us?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

It brings a smile to my face when our local trolls have a problem with..

L.i.B.

I am prepared….

Apparently they are not..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Is AP on vacation or did I miss some big announcement?

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

He banned himself.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

If the U.S. economy goes over the cliff, Terry says, Obama could come back to Congress a couple months later with a bill to lower taxes on the middle class. The Republicans would feel pressure to vote in favor of it because the GOP supports lower taxes, he says.

Crisis! Crisis! Crisis!

Isn’t this getting pretty old? We’ve been doing this crap since 2008 and every single time we avert the catastrophe we just have to face another one 6-9 months down the road. Is this what living is like today in America under Obama? Once or twice a year we’ve got fend off financial catastrophe!? We have to hand over massive new powers and trillions of dollars to Obama?

We’re all being taken for a ride on this. From the very first TARP back when McCain had to suspend his non-campaign this has all been theater.

Well if anything… I’d think the GOP.. somebody out there.. could make a good speech on how raising the debt ceiling and bending over never seems to solve a blasted thing!
No.. but we don’t want to do that. That would take effort.

Hey… Obama is always in campaign mode. I remember Bill Clinton would do commercials attacking the Republicans when there wasn’t even any elections going on.
Well.. why doesn’t the GOP try bringing some of this to the people! A few commercials. A presser or two. Some mailings… heck I don’t know. anything would be better than complaining and sitting on their hands.

I just can’t figure this out. We’ve got experienced Republicans in high office who’ve been in DC for eternity and yet they seem dumbfounded and helpless in fixing the same mess they keep creating.

JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 8:52 PM

JihadyGoons,er,alledged Freedom Fighters(sarc) Occupying Tahrir Sqare

LIVE FEED Streaming
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http://reuters.livestation.com/demo

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Mr. Obama not only was re-elected, it wasn’t that close, it was a clean win.

…who says?

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 8:40 PM

KOOLAID, I was going to respond with something funny but I don’t feel funny no more.
Looking at the miserable fkr in the pic just makes me sad. Then you read about his cavalier attitude re the fiscal mess, Interior going with wind,solar, and EPA full bore 15% Ethanol looks like rough waters my friend.

arnold ziffel on December 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM

They need to reconstruct who they are, and purge the party of corruption

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM

The only thing that needs purging right now is the mainstream media.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Can anybody on Nebraska tackle – GEEZ!

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

How’s it working for us?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

The real question is..

How is it working for them..?

Today they dance in the streets…
Tomorrow..

The take a sh1t on a cop car..

Oh wait…

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The only thing that needs purging right now is the mainstream media.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

AMEN. If the media did their job we wouldn’t be in this mess in my opinion.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Well.. why doesn’t the GOP try bringing some of this to the people! A few commercials. A presser or two. Some mailings… heck I don’t know. anything would be better than complaining and sitting on their hands.
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JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 8:52 PM

The GOP is saving their money for Jeb Bush in 2016.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Obysmal goes to a K’Nex toy factory to tout an extension of the Bush tax rates for the middle class? Frame the argument that way, Republicans. It takes away the stigma of the BlameBush routine that preezy pulls.

onlineanalyst on December 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Give Zero whatever he wants, loudly and proudly applaud the results, make sure the MSM reports the applause, catastrophe might actually stick to the Dems for once.

IOW, L.I.B.!

Who is John Galt on December 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I feel like Germany..

1933..

This too will pass..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

The election is over, a new era begins—and it looks just like the old one. A crisis is declared. Confusion, frustration, and a more embittered process follow. This is . . . the Obama Way. Nothing has changed, even after a yearlong campaign that must, at times, have looked to him like a near-death experience. …
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This is a Never/Ending patternization of Team HopeLessNess/ChangeLessNess,

lets review,and has the GOP,learned anything yet,
and the Debt Ceiling is the same as Fiscal Cliff
Part Deux!

Meaning,as Boehners infamous tweet,back in April,that Democrats
are just not serious about cuts,lets go back in time!
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Revealed! Democrats’ Playbook for Blocking Spending Cuts Needed to Boost the Economy
March 30, 2011
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For those of you following along with the budget negotiations in Washington, here’s a handy look at the playbook Democrats are using to block spending cuts needed to end the uncertainty facing job creators:
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STEP 1: Refuse to pass a bill that cuts spending and funds the government for the rest of this fiscal year. This step is right out of 2010 when Democrats didn’t even propose a budget (the reason we’re in this mess to begin with), leaving the government spending binge on auto-pilot. The House took a step toward fixing this nearly 40 days ago when it passed H.R. 1 – but again, to date, the Senate still hasn’t passed a bill of its own. If you think back to elementary school, both houses of Congress have to pass a bill in order for it to become a law.

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So every time you see Democratic leaders on TV talking about a government shutdown (step 2) or labeling spending cuts as “extreme” (step 3), remember, Senate Democrats haven’t even passed a bill.
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STEP 2: Root for a government shutdown. Call it the “Howard Dean Rule.” The former chairman of the DNC and “a de facto head of his party’s left wing“ told National Journal that Democrats should be “quietly rooting” for a government shutdown. Well, they’re listening. Washington Democrats have been ignoring Americans who want spending cuts and cheering for a shutdown for months. Aides to Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) called a shutdown “more likely than not.” And by failing to actually pass a bill to fund the government through September (step 1), Washington Democrats are the ones making their shutdown all the more likely.

STEP 3: Paint the spending cuts the American people want as “extreme.” Stanford economist John B. Taylor said the funding bill passed by the House has spending cuts that “will increase economic growth and employment,” and “encourage job-producing private sector investment.” But Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Democrats have their marching orders: to label spending cuts needed to boost our

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economy as “extreme.” “I always use the word extreme,” said Senator Schumer. No word on whether they think a spending-driven $14 trillion debt crisis is too “extreme.” And remember, since they still haven’t passed a long-term funding bill (step 1), it’s hard to know which spending cuts Democrats don’t think are “extreme.”
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(More…)

http://www.speaker.gov/Blog/default.aspx?Page=4

canopfor on April 8, 2011 at 7:29 PM
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Boehners Tweet
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It’s become sadly evident to me that the White House and Senate Democrats are just not serious yet about enacting real spending cuts
8:25 AM Apr 5th via TweetDeck

johnboehner
John Boehner

http://twitter.com/johnboehner/status/55289849791524864#

canopfor on April 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM

canopfor on November 22, 2011 at 1:02 PM

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM

arnold ziffel on December 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM

…and he’s taking the entourage to Hawaii for 20 days!…I’m so sick of these people and the Press!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Facing backlash from Republicans as the fiscal cliff nears, anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist defended his position Tuesday

Can someone please tell this unelected, lobbyist, Muslim lover to shut up and sit down?

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I feel like Germany..

1933..

This too will pass..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Electrongod:Yup:)

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 9:03 PM

“Many of us feared the president’s real plan was to let us go over the fiscal cliff and blame the Republicans,” Terry said. “That’s what it looks like we’re being set up to do.” …

Terry said the debt ceiling is “about the only level of leverage we have.”

LOLOL. It was only a month ago when these folks felt they were going to take the WH and maybe the senate… Good times i tell you.

Memo to the bought and paid for GOP house, stop holding the middle class tax cuts hostage simply because you want your campaign bundlers to get theirs. We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

How’s it working for us?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

The real question is..

How is it working for them..?

Today they dance in the streets…
Tomorrow..

The take a sh1t on a cop car..

Oh wait…

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

LOL

But remember Cloward-Piven…they are prepared for this, we are not. They want unrest as an excuse to grab even more power. Pretty sure we’re all aware of that.

The Capitalist system as we know it is dying…choose your culprits as you see fit, it makes no difference. What I’m saying is that Conservatism can no longer be divorced from the facets of society that we as a group mistrust and/or feel is superfluous. We can’t continue to sit around and say we’re always right about everything when it’s obvious that they are gaining power and we’re facing the prospect of losing our Republic.

We know the Socialists will keep doing things over and over and over again even if it doesn’t work, but about some things we are little better. We need an attitude adjustment…or we can sit around bitching about the same old things and the same old people and continue to see negative results.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Some choice quotes in the interview that Sarah Palin gave to Greta van Susteren on Friday evening:

Gov. Palin goes OTR with Greta Nov, 30, 2012

john.frank on December 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

And now a message from Team L.I.B……(sarc)

Talking Heads – “Burning Down The House”
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8D4AsLzlM0

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Give Obama whatever he wants, loudly and proudly applaud the results, make sure the MSM reports the applause.

IOW, L.I.B.!

Who is John Galt on December 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Call your GOP rep and tell him or her this. The middle class can not afford the huge tax increase the GOP wants for them.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012

…sing DAISY you socialistic sleazebag!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM

The UK is considering the establishment of an independent board to oversee the media. This sounds very much like the Ministry of Propaganda. How will we deal with the American media without going over the cliff…so to speak?

d1carter on December 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Call your GOP rep and tell him or her this. The middle class can not afford the huge tax increase the GOP wants for them.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Thanks for the good belly laugh.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012

…better yet…GFYS!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 9:09 PM

The middle class can not afford the huge tax increase the GOP wants for them.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

The middle class cannot afford your messiah’s open ended credit card and his spending like a drunken sailor.

It’s going to be great fun watching you Obot’s cry and moan when things come crashing down.

Let. It. Burn.

#Revenge
#Pain

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 9:10 PM

The only thing that needs purging right now is the mainstream media.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

well, bravery must be a component of the reconstructed party…they must get into the press’ face, and call them out for who they are. Rs do not have either the courage or the vision currently

but there is corruption in the R party. Barbour’s thing about KFC needs illegals to work for them so we must past immigration is corrupt at many levels….he should be booted from the R party. I can’t remember the R that pushed the light bulb ban, but he’s still around (committee head). Ingles R-SC is on the forefront of carbon taxing. Boot these people out of the party. there is no reason (aside from personal vanity and wealth) for these people to join the D party…the left party

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Memo to the bought and paid for GOP house, stop holding the middle class tax cuts hostage simply because you want your campaign bundlers to get theirs. We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

And the Dems/Obama have no big shot campaign bundlers to feed?

If you want the “rich” to pay more so you can feel some satisfaction, fine, looks like you’ll get your way. But if you expect the top 2% to sit around and pay more, you’re lying to yourself, because they won’t-on top of that, many rich people are Democrats including your Saviour.

You’re also lying to yourself if you believe that even if they did pay what the Feds told them to, it would make any kind of a dent in the national debt…you can do math like the rest of us.

Who are going to get soaked are the small and medium business people who make enough money to be considered “rich” but can’t afford teams of tax lawyers to stave off the IRS.

I believe we are being and have been ripped off by the big shots in both parties. Perhaps you know this as well, but you believe that if they are instrumental in bringing about some kind of Socialist People’s Revolution, then it makes no difference? Am I right?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:13 PM

LOLOL. It was only a month ago when these folks felt they were going to take the WH and maybe the senate… Good times i tell you.

Memo to the bought and paid for GOP house, stop holding the middle class tax cuts hostage simply because you want your campaign bundlers to get theirs. We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

You have a tether to big Government…
You are flawed..

To bad..

You could have been a model American..

Oh well..

Bye bye..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM

We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

WE???

You mean someone other than yourself..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Gov. Palin goes OTR with Greta Nov, 30, 2012

john.frank on December 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Am I the only one having problems running this?

Cleombrotus on December 1, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Call your GOP rep and tell him or her this. The middle class can not afford the huge tax increase the GOP wants for them.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

If I do call them, it will be to tell them to not budge and let the Federal government go into sequestration. I’ll believe they’ll cave in, so I’m not likely to bother.

As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with you on something. We need to push the “reset” button on this and let things sort themselves out. It’s coming sooner or later, so I say let’s get it on now before it gets even worse for the American people down the line.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Is it time to (shudder) turn libertarian?

rginco on December 1, 2012 at 9:23 PM

When dealing with an alcoholic, you do not give them a fifty and then tell them to buy only the cheaper stuff…

No, you cut them off. No money. No booze. Tell them to get help. But, above all, no more booze. Or they are out the door.

It is the spending, stupid, and this Administration’s addiction to spending and spending what they do not have for things we really do not “need” and handing the bill for it all to our kids and grandkids. [So much for Michelle’s meme, it is for the children…unless foisting the bill to the children is what they had planned all along.]

But, if this House caves in to Obama, with more taxes and yet another vacant promise to reduce spending or reduce the projected rate of intended spending, and not make any real tangible and large cuts immediately, we might as well hang it up…we will have become Greece, only much worse.

God save the Republic.

coldwarrior on December 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

WE???

You mean someone other than yourself..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM

…well…HotLips has had a turd in its pocket and TURDS falling out of its mouth…since coming here!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

And the Dems/Obama have no big shot campaign bundlers to feed?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago:To re-enforce/bolster your case,I give you Exhibit “A”!
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Obama rewarded fundraising “bundlers” with plum jobs
June 15, 2011, 12:26 PM
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President Obama granted plum jobs and appointments to almost 200 people who raised large sums for his presidential campaign, and his top fundraisers have won millions of dollars in federal contracts, according to a new report from the Center for Public Integrity.

In one example detailed by the group’s iWatch News, Telecom executive Donald H. Gips “bundled” half a million dollars in
contributions to the president for his reelection campaign. (“Bundling” is the practice of gathering together a group of donations, and was popularized because of legal limits in individual contributions. It has been used particularly aggressively by Presidents George W. Bush and Obama.)

Gips went on to take charge of hiring in the Obama White House and (was later) named ambassador to South Africa. And his company, Level 3 Communications, was granted millions in stimulus contracts for broadband projects. Gips told iWatch he was “completely unaware” of the federal windfall. The company has taken $13.8 million in stimulus money.

The report found that 80 percent of Obama bundlers who raised $500,000 or more for Mr. Obama – many of whom are being asked to do the same for his reelection bid

- ended up in “key administration posts,” in the words of the White House.

More than half of Mr. Obama’s ambassador nominees were from this group.

One of them, Cynthia Stroum, became U.S. ambassador to Luxembourg;

she resigned shortly before the release of a State Department report that deemed her “aggressive, bullying, hostile and intimidating.”

Mr. Obama’s bundlers were also granted White House access – they and their families “account for more than 3,000 White House meetings and visits,” according to iWatch.

(There were 800 bundler visits to the White House in just the first few months of the administration.)

The report also found that “[a]t least 18 other bundlers have ties to businesses poised to profit from government spending to promote clean energy, telecommunications and other key administration priorities.”

Mr. Obama’s decision to reward his donors follows the pattern of his presidential predecessors.

But it flies in the face of his campaign promise to reduce the clout of moneyed special interests.

The report shows how his bundlers ended up working in the Department of Justice, Department of Energy and the Federal Communications Commission, among other federal agencies, and been appointed to policy advisory commissions.

Moneyed interests “get the access while you get to write a letter, they think they own this government,” Mr. Obama said in kicking off his presidential campaign in 2007. “But we’re here today to take it back.”
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20071271-503544.html

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

He was the DOTUS on January 20, 2009

He will be the DOTUS on January 21st, 2013……

….and he will be on January 20, 2017.

Once you realize that…….it all falls into place.

PappyD61 on December 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I don’t think President Obama wants to go down as the worst president in history, do you?

Well, that’s what going over the fiscal cliff will make him. And that’s why the Republicans have a lot a leverage.

LOL! That ship sailed a long time ago. That is how he got the name SCOAMF. He continues to be a miserable failure, and will leave office, one way or another, as a failure.

Night Owl on December 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Am I the only one having problems running this?

Cleombrotus on December 1, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Cleombrotus:Its running a tad slow,at my end!:)

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Memo to the bought and paid for GOP house, stop holding the middle class tax cuts hostage simply because you want your campaign bundlers to get theirs. We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

>>>>>Jon Corzine<<<<<

Leftists are too stupid to live.

Solaratov on December 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

F U Obama.

jawkneemusic on December 1, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Memo to the bought and paid for GOP house, stop holding the middle class tax cuts hostage simply because you want your campaign bundlers to get theirs. We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

What can we afford? Any accounting for stimulus1,clunker junker,SOLAR for evah? Pretty easy to piss away money when its not your own. Speaking of that, your golden shower is ready, hurry on.

arnold ziffel on December 1, 2012 at 9:33 PM

well, bravery must be a component of the reconstructed party…they must get into the press’ face, and call them out for who they are. Rs do not have either the courage or the vision currently

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Well we know the Republican’s are not going to get anyone’s faces, that race card seems to work well on the squishes.

It’s up to us to get in their faces, but I’m not sure this country is quite ready for that. If we can clean up the mainstream media, perhaps they’ll help clean up the corruption.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

64th!

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

and will leave office, one way or another, as a failure.

Night Owl on December 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Nope.

Obama will leave office (at a time of his choosing, if he has his way) as a hero to about half of the electorate, a legend, walking off into history with his crown intact…because he is Obama.

If Obama gets the House to cave, and starts to more aggressively impose his will on government by hook, crook and Executive Order, and fundamentally changes our form of government as we once knew it, he will have succeeded…and will be far far from failure, as he and his Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, hippie radical friends and fellow travelers and a sizeable portion of America, ethnic America, see it.

coldwarrior on December 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Wat a minute,which is it!

Democrats stuck in the ditch,or did they get it unstuck,
do to Pelosi’s stilletto that were jammed on the gas-
pedal,(accidentally of course)and they are teetering,
on zee cliff!(sarc)

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Call your GOP rep and tell him or her this. The middle class can not afford the huge tax increase the GOP wants for them.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

It takes a bunch of money to have a government big enough to wipe your tookas from womb to tomb, lefty. You azzclowns are gonna have to put some skin in the game…which means you’re gonna have to start paying some taxes.

Now, sing Daisy for us, HAL.
C’mon. You know you want to.

Solaratov on December 1, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Obama is pushing towards redistribution of wealth and socialism in any way he can, damn reality, practicalities, or the future. He thinks he’s helping people by turning American socialist? He’s sadly mistaken. He’s turning the country into a shithole.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20071271-503544.html

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

And CBS no less…whowouldathunkit?

I understand this has been going on for, who knows, 150+ years? But we’re losing (lost?) the information battle on this and it would seem that at least a plurality of the electorate believes this is something only greedy Republicans do and the Democrats are above board and looking out for the Common Man. When did this start…1920s? At any rate, they have a huuuuge head start.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

F U Obama.

jawkneemusic on December 1, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I couldn’t of said it better myself…but…

The Lesters and HAL need some pampering..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Call your GOP rep and tell him or her this. The middle class can not afford the huge tax increase the GOP wants for them.
HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

F U too scum bag. You want a nanny state? Pay for it yourself you prawn.

jawkneemusic on December 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Memo to the bought and paid for GOP house, stop holding the middle class tax cuts hostage simply because you want your campaign bundlers to get theirs. We CANNOT afford it.

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

HA HA HA LOL! Since when? Your side is still saying deficit spending is no big deal. Plus, I thought the Bush tax cuts were only for the rich? If that’s true, we should let them all expire, and find out just what you socialists consider rich. My guess is about $30,000.00 for a family of four. Time for everyone to have a little skin in the game, don’t you think? I’m not rich, but I am willing to do whatever it takes to see you idiots suffer for your ignorance.

Night Owl on December 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

talking about Medicare will eliminate your brand. Complex discussions aren’t gong to work with a left-wing press and a illiterate electorate. It is what it is. Rs need to play long ball. 5 years, 10 years down the road. They need to reconstruct who they are, and purge the party of corruption

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM

in 10 years there will not be a USA that is recognized as such …
very well could have some kind of strongman in charge ..

in 5 years not sure probably not much different today …
maybe a little worse … unemployment around 10-12 percent
inflation higher …

conservative tarheel on December 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

He was the DOTUS on January 20, 2009

He will be the DOTUS on January 21st, 2013……

….and he will be on January 20, 2017.

Once you realize that…….it all falls into place.

PappyD61 on December 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Maybe…I don’t think many of us want to go there because it sounds so much like what the Communists kept saying about President Bush becoming King and all that and it never happened.

But, in the back of my mind, I do realize that possibility.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Night Owl on December 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

with you there … no 99 weeks of unemployment …
boy will the screaming start then ….

conservative tarheel on December 1, 2012 at 9:41 PM

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Besides, HAL, it would just be a return to the Clinton tax rates. You know…the rates that you clowns tout as great. The rates in effect when”the country had its greatest growth and prosperity” – as you dolts keep trying to tell everyone.
Let’s just get rid of ALL of the Bush tax cuts – across the board – so that everyone can enjoy the new prosperity. Why should the “rich” be the only ones to experience those good times? That sounds pretty selfish on your part.

Now, sing Daisy, HAL.

Solaratov on December 1, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I’ve never shared any of my artwork here before. Here’s a little drawing I did a few weeks back. Titled “The Vigilant.”
It speaks for itself.

http://s1326.beta.photobucket.com/user/JellyToast1/media/P1050756.jpg.html

I sorta realize now why past generations wanted great words and speeches written publicly in stone.
Not because they they just wanted people to read them… but so future generations would have a harder time getting rid of them.

America’s ultimate hope is not in any of these politicians.

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!” Psalm 33:12

JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

HotAirLib on December 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Thanks for the good belly laugh.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Ol’ HAL is quite the card, isn’t he? Always good for a laugh.

Solaratov on December 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

I believe it’s Fred Upton you’re thinking of who is on the Energy (or whatever) committee that instituted the incandescent light bulb ban.

In fact, people like him should just become Dems. They are acting like them in all but name anyway.

My hubby insists that there will be a day that Obama will go somewhere too far out even for the Dems (and their bootlickers in the media) and they will dump him like a hot potato the minute he becomes a liability. Maybe so. But I can’t see that happening any time soon. We should think of a little oppo research to hurry it up.

PatriotGal2257 on December 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM

HA HA HA LOL! Since when? Your side is still saying deficit spending is no big deal. Plus, I thought the Bush tax cuts were only for the rich? If that’s true, we should let them all expire, and find out just what you socialists consider rich. My guess is about $30,000.00 for a family of four. Time for everyone to have a little skin in the game, don’t you think? I’m not rich, but I am willing to do whatever it takes to see you idiots suffer for your ignorance.

Night Owl on December 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Bingo!

I can foresee a time where each American (except those with “special exemptions”, of course) will be allowed to have only, say, $2000 in their bank accounts. Above that amount, you will be automatically and instantly taxed at some rate (I’m thinking at least 40%) in the interest of “fairness” and “wealth redistribution” every April 15th (or who knows, some day maybe May 1st?)…I mean, who really needs more than 2000 bucks sitting in a bank anyway?…/s on that last part BTW.

I love digital technology and find it fascinating, but at the same time it’s so easy to see how it can be used to enslave us.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:45 PM

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 9:10 PM

as a former drunken sailor … I am offended ….

conservative tarheel on December 1, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Obama is pushing towards redistribution of wealth and socialism in any way he can, damn reality, practicalities, or the future. He thinks he’s helping people by turning American socialist? He’s sadly mistaken. He’s turning the country into a shithole.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

The media will blame it on the GOP and capitalism, and the fools will buy it.

DFCtomm on December 1, 2012 at 9:47 PM

I don’t think President Obama wants to go down as the worst president in history, do you?

In whose opinion would that be? This implies he measures success and failure the traditional way.

He does not. He’s more concerned with the opinion of Bill Ayers and like minded historians. How he “goes down” in history will depend on who is writing the history book.

Seems people are still delusional about what they are dealing with. Recall Dear Leader said he wanted to fundamentally change the country. It wasn’t just campaign rhetoric. The evidence indicates he means it. He is a hard core socialist who thinks the US has been an evil force in the world up until recently governed by bad men.

His “fun” proposal that he be given unlimited unrestrained power to borrow trillions, that federal government spending should not be cut, and that taxes should go up significantly confirms it. His implicit belief that trillion dollar deficits don’t matter much (to him and his) coupled with his fanatical quest to cut them by 5-10% by taxing the “wealthy” more also confirms it.

farsighted on December 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Ol’ HAL is quite the card, isn’t he? Always good for a laugh.

Solaratov on December 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

He tries so hard to pretend like he knows what he is talking about.

It just makes me giggle.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I can foresee a time where each American (except those with “special exemptions”, of course) will be allowed to have only, say, $2000 in their bank accounts. Above that amount, you will be automatically and instantly taxed at some rate (I’m thinking at least 40%) in the interest of “fairness” and “wealth redistribution” every April 15th (or who knows, some day maybe May 1st?)…I mean, who really needs more than 2000 bucks sitting in a bank anyway?…/s on that last part BTW.

I love digital technology and find it fascinating, but at the same time it’s so easy to see how it can be used to enslave us.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Keynes would love that, but since the GOP is as Keynesian as the Dems look for them to get on board with that.

DFCtomm on December 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM

JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Very nice work!

PatriotGal2257 on December 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I love digital technology and find it fascinating, but at the same time it’s so easy to see how it can be used to enslave us.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Maybe we should start marketing backyard safes. Might come in handy in a couple of years. Either that or mattress storage compartments.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM

JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

That’s beautiful. I would totally hang that in my apartment.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM

“The Vigilant.”
JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

It is beautiful. You have an extraordinary talent.

lynncgb on December 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Maybe we should start marketing backyard safes. Might come in handy in a couple of years. Either that or mattress storage compartments.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Huh? Old school?

Hidden compartments in furniture, disguised floor safes and camouflaged panels in walls is the way to go.

Barter economy is old school that will fit right in to modern times. Mattresses and holes in the back yard, not so much.

Next time you see an ugly (something no thief would steal) piece of art in somebody’s house, think about what could be inside of it.

cozmo on December 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

>>>>>Jon Corzine<<<<<

Leftists are too stupid to live.

Solaratov on December 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

What most people don’t realize about Corzine is that he managed to blow up one of the FEDs primary dealers. They’ve practically got a license to print money. You’d have to be a complete retard to screw up that badly, and yet he found a way.

DFCtomm on December 1, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Because The election is over, a new era begins—and it looks just like the old one. A crisis is declared.

You watch and wonder: Why does it always have to be cliffs with this president? Why is it always a high-stakes battle? … Why is there never a sense with Mr. Obama that he understands the other guys’ real position?

Because crisis is the fire that fuels tyranny.

Valkyriepundit on December 1, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Maybe we should start marketing backyard safes. Might come in handy in a couple of years. Either that or mattress storage compartments.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM

But if they eliminate paper money and coinage, it won’t work…you will have no cash to store.

You could store precious metals and barter for goods and services…that’s about all that will be left. Until they get around to controlling the gold and silver supply of course.

The vast majority of Americans will be content to do all transactions electronically. Most will never own a gun. Most will never own bullion, much less accept it in exchange.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 10:00 PM

cozmo on December 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Oooh secret compartments in furniture I like it.

I was watching Duck Dynasty last night and they seem to think stocking up on tires is the way to go.

I’m telling you there is money to be made here. Just have to come up with the right idea :)

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Is AP on vacation or did I miss some big announcement?

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I never realized that he ever came OFF of vacation………

williamg on December 1, 2012 at 10:01 PM

You cannot simultaneously enjoy American-sized taxes and European-sized government. One or the other has to go.

Alternatively, you can have Zimbabwe-sized inflation.

Archivarix on December 1, 2012 at 10:03 PM

JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

From one artist to another, that is stunning.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 10:03 PM

FYI,

I don’t have any secret compartments.

Neither does Scrumpy.

SparkPlug on December 1, 2012 at 10:04 PM

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