Hatch: Obama offer a “classic bait-and-switch on the American people”

posted at 2:31 pm on December 1, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Orrin Hatch offered today’s Republican response to Barack Obama’s weekly address, and the Senator from Utah wasn’t in a punch-pulling mood.  Venting the anger from the GOP on Capitol Hill after the President’s opening bid on fiscal-cliff negotiations, Hatch called it the equivalent of consumer fraud:

“What [Obama] proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the American people—a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on, billions of dollars in new stimulus spending and an unlimited, unchecked authority to borrow from the Chinese,” Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said in Saturday’s weekly GOP address.

“Maybe I missed it but I don’t recall him asking for any of that during the presidential campaign. These ideas are so radical that they have already been rejected on a bipartisan basis by Congress.”

I wrote about this earlier in the week.  During the campaign, Obama insisted that he wanted a balanced approach to deficit reduction, and even proposed a cuts-to-revenue ratio of 5:2.  In his convention speech, Obama even made a passing mention of entitlement reform in a second term as a way to control spiraling deficits.  Yet, this was the deal Obama had Tim Geithner deliver this week as an opening bid:

On Thursday, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was dispatched to Capitol Hill to share Obama’s plan with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) The deal included $1.6 trillion in tax hikes, $50 billion in economic stimulus spending and $400 billion in spending cuts. Republicans have demanded more severe spending cuts – including entitlement reform – to begin a discussion on raising taxes.

That ratio turned into a 1:4 rather than a 5:2.  Democrats spent yesterday defending the bait-and-switch effort, claiming that Obama was just a good horse trader:

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) even went so far as to agree that the president’s proposal looked little different than a Democratic wish list.

But Hoyer also said that was wholly appropriate for an opening bid.

“I don’t think it’s a take-it-or-leave-it offer. I think it is, frankly, responsive to what the Republicans said they wanted, which is a specific offer,” Hoyer added during his weekly press briefing in the Capitol. “That doesn’t mean they have to like the offer. It does mean that they should put a very specific offer back on the table.”

The problem with negotiating under those circumstances is that it’s clear Obama isn’t negotiating in good faith.  In fact, he’s not negotiating at all — he’s campaigning.  Joe Scarborough blasted him yesterday for his hands-off leadership in a crisis of Obama’s own making in substantial part, and unfavorably compared him to Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich:

The former Florida congressman added that for all their flaws, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former President Bill Clinton’s mutual cooperation should be an example to Obama and Boehner.

“It begs the question, really — it’s a question that we have to be asking or at least I’m asking, why is the president in Philadelphia holding a campaign rally instead of sitting behind closed doors, you know, with John Boehner?” Scarborough said. “I keep going back to the 1990s. Who would ever look at Bill Clinton and think — would look at Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich as the models of, you know, of compromise in the age of impeachment? But those guys did not like each other at the beginning of the process. In fact, they hated each other in ’94.”

“But they spent four years behind closed doors, you know, knocking each other’s heads,” Scarborough continued. “They figured out how to balance the budget together. And they will both say it. The president will say to Gingrich, Gingrich will say to the president, four years in a row for the first time since the 1920s, and the president is flying off today to a campaign rally. I’m rooting for the president. I am. I’m rooting for Boehner. I really am. I want them to all succeed. I want us to avert this crisis. It depresses me, though, the way the president’s team is having him perform on the national stage. I think this is a bad mistake.”

It’s par for the course for Obama, using an analogy I chose very, very deliberately. It works better than the Star Wars analogy.

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…Bmore…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:35 PM

…and what will Hatch do?

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM

…talk!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM

..more talk!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:39 PM

…and more talk!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:40 PM

…and then what?

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:40 PM

The entire GOP establishment is scum. Total sellouts. Orrin Hatch is vermin. I wouldn’t believe anything these scumbags said anymore. They’ll cave just like they always do. We need a revolution.

WhatSlushfund on December 1, 2012 at 2:41 PM

…then find another issue to ‘talk about’…

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:42 PM

bho is not going to cave but just to let the r’s get the blame if they do or don’t! It is my way or the high way with bho! bho is a snotty, spoiled, horrible brat, won’t take advice from anyone but jarrett/mo/soros/union thugs, hates the US/wants everything here under his control, and a even worse president. But he is what the ‘free stuff santa’ people wanted and they got it!

BTW, I loath and detest bho big time!
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letget on December 1, 2012 at 2:42 PM

“It begs the question, really — it’s a question that we have to be asking or at least I’m asking, why is the president in Philadelphia holding a campaign rally instead of sitting behind closed doors, you know, with John Boehner?” Scarborough said.

Because Obama has no idea how to negotiate. He knows how to community organize and make demands then pit one group against another to to get his way. Whatever lies have be told to do that, he tells. It’s all he knows.
Why is anyone surprised?

Curmudgeon on December 1, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Hatch, did you never hear of Geraghty’s classic, “All of Barack Obama’s statements come with expiration dates. All of them.”?

Wethal on December 1, 2012 at 2:44 PM

He’s been using the Alinksy playbook for years and you’re surprised now, Oren?

Wethal on December 1, 2012 at 2:46 PM

what to say? Peggy Noonan’s lachrymose column yesterday about the all drama obama tells me this is a surprise to her

there is no surprise…political theater, agitprop and Alinsky all to hand in hand in obama’s glove. He is Mr. Street Theater. Always the agitator for the have-nots to get dollars from the haves. It is who he is.

Honestly, the entire ‘fiscal cliff’ is an ad campaign to get eyeballs and clicks. As constructed we will decrease Government Spending and increase taxes on Jan 1.

that is what this country will be doing anyway…Suprise! barry want 100 percent to come from Taxes…who would have thought!

and even if this 600B package is enacted as is…barry will still spend another 600B in deficit spending.

The cliff is when by one means or another we come down to rough parity between revenues and spending. That is the cliff….which is to say of course…from a Keynesian world view, the only thing that is propping up the economy is funny money, borrowed from the Fed.

Surprise? Not

r keller on December 1, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Obamacare was a bait and switch…single payer here we come.

CW on December 1, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Democrats spent yesterday defending the bait-and-switch effort, claiming that Obama was just a good horse trader sh!t

…there!…that’s truer!

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Hatch has no business even being in the Senate, and he’s an amnesty traitor to boot.

Even traitors are right sometimes, but he’s worthless to conservatives anyway.

rightwingyahooo on December 1, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Uhhh…yeah Orrin, this Barack Obama character hasn’t been very honest with us. Maybe you should send him a sternly worded letter. You know, go all UN on him.

86 on December 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Obama and the Dems know the MSM will never call him on this. The biggest challenge to Obama’s credibility so far has been a joke by Jay Leno.

Wethal on December 1, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Lester: Hatch’s opposition to tax cuts for 98%, a classic hostage taking of the American people.

lester on December 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM

“I won. Again. Suck it.”

Expect that for four years.

Aplombed on December 1, 2012 at 3:04 PM

So given that the ruling party will not permit spending cuts, what should Republicans do? If I were John Boehner, I’d say: “Clearly there’s no mandate for small government in the election results. So, if you milquetoast pantywaist sad-sack excuses for the sorriest bunch of so-called Americans who ever lived want to vote for Swede-sized statism, it’s time to pony up.”

Okay, he might want to focus-group it first. But that fundamental dishonesty is the heart of the crisis. You cannot simultaneously enjoy American-sized taxes and European-sized government. One or the other has to go.

Enjoy the demise, fools. That includes all of you who brought Obama, twice, from the left, to the right. I hope you all get hurt very badly. YOU deserve NO less!!!

p.s. lester, lester, you’re once again not utilizing your brain.

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Lester: Hatch’s opposition to tax cuts for 98%, a classic hostage taking of the American people.

lester on December 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM

You wouldn’t know an original thought if it hit you in the snout.

CW on December 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Obama hates the middle class and will destroy it.

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM

lester on December 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Why is Obama holding tax cuts for 98% of Americans hostage just so he can wring enough money out of job creators to fund his failed superstate for another 6.5 days?

Kataklysmic on December 1, 2012 at 3:09 PM

White House celebrates National AIDS day: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9DJzvcCYAATNye.jpg:large

davidk on December 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Lester: Hatch’s opposition to tax cuts for 98%, a classic hostage taking of the American people.

lester on December 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM

lester !…change your name to stupidshit when they have a new open reg…

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Who cares? All this has been decided already. This is just a “Dog & Pony Show” and you have no say in what is going to happen. Cliff, No Cliff? Either way, the American Business People are Screwed & the Moochers are gonna get stuff, until the Traitor-in-chief decides he doesn’t need you peons! You know, like the Coal Miner’s Union!

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on December 1, 2012 at 3:11 PM

The entire GOP establishment is scum. Total sellouts. Orrin Hatch is vermin. I wouldn’t believe anything these scumbags said anymore. They’ll cave just like they always do. We need a revolution.

WhatSlushfund on December 1, 2012 at 2:41 PM

davidk on December 1, 2012 at 3:11 PM

“Just make me dictator for a while, aaaaaand… I’ll fix, uh, everything,” -Obooba.

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Because Obama has no idea how to negotiate. He knows how to community organize and make demands then pit one group against another to to get his way. Whatever lies have be told to do that, he tells. It’s all he knows.
Why is anyone surprised?

Curmudgeon on December 1, 2012 at 2:43 PM

He doesn’t want to negotiate.

He wants to rule like they do in China.

Anything else is b/s.

Look, he and Hillary/S. Rice and etc. never denounced Morsi declaring himself a pharaoh. Yesterday Egypt passed a constitution, sharia rules, slavery is legal and women have NO rights.

The Arab ‘Spring’ is Obama’s baby. He has blood on his hands in Lybia, Syria and Egypt and the world loves him.

Leftists and righties love modern day dictators. They elected one in the US, again. Enjoy the scrooming. I hope many feel it very badly.

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Obama hates the middle class and will destroy it.

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM

If the GOP caves and the DFL In Minnesota acts like I expect them to – I’m so screwed.

I’m not rich by any stretch of the imagination but I also don’t have any of the loved deductions either.

I’ll be the first person they come looking to for money.

gophergirl on December 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Lester: Hatch’s opposition to tax cuts for 98%, a classic hostage taking of the American people. lester on December 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Obooba’s offering tax increases for everyone. Raising taxes on businesses means they will just pass their taxes on to everyone else in the form of higher prices.

Keeping in place the current tax rates means no one’s taxes goes up, not that anyone gets a tax cut.

Since liberals enjoy lying, which is the oly way they can advance their causes, they also tend to swallow lies easier than others, which is why you think Obooba wants to give people tax cuts.

I know that’s complicated, but try to keep up.

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM

So given that the ruling party will not permit spending cuts, what should Republicans do? If I were John Boehner, I’d say: “Clearly there’s no mandate for small government in the election results. So, if you milquetoast pantywaist sad-sack excuses for the sorriest bunch of so-called Americans who ever lived want to vote for Swede-sized statism, it’s time to pony up.”

Okay, he might want to focus-group it first.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/334549/kindly-note-impending-bankruptcy-mark-steyn

Axe on December 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM

the American Business People are Screwed & the Moochers are gonna get stuff, until the Traitor-in-chief decides he doesn’t need you peons! You know, like the Coal Miner’s Union!

paratisi on December 1, 2012 at 3:11 PM

NO – Obama knows the businesses will increase their prices, and the middles class and the poor will pay. It’s all a joke.

He will actively destroy the middle class. He needs more poor.

Some of you need to open your brains. God gave them to you to see and think.

Speaking of God – he is mad and is not blessing AmeriKa.

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM

he’s not negotiating at all — he’s campaigning.

ding ding ding…..

campaigning on something totally different than just a few weeks ago

the real dear leader

cmsinaz on December 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Speaking of God – he is mad and is not blessing AmeriKa.
Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM

We’re entering a Book of Judges cycle.

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Akzed, you get it. We typed concurrently. Good on you!

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM

darn i missed jim geraty on morning joe…i bet he did well

cmsinaz on December 1, 2012 at 3:23 PM

The cliff is when by one means or another we come down to rough parity between revenues and spending. That is the cliff….which is to say of course…from a Keynesian world view, the only thing that is propping up the economy is funny money, borrowed from the Fed. Surprise? Not r keller on December 1, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Personal transfers now eat up all Federal tax revenues: $2.4 trillion in, $2.4 trillion mailed out.

Nearly every dime of federal government receipts goes to personal transfer payments.

Between 1960 and 1970, personal transfer payments were 30-35% of federal government receipts.

From 1980-2000 the percentage fluctuated between 50% and 65%.

If (when) the economy slips back into recession personal transfer payments will exceed 100% of federal government receipts.

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 3:25 PM

My Goodness…even Joe is disillusioned…the problem you see is that the Democrats have done such a bang up job of lying to the American people that if they get serious now they have to admit that a lot of the stuff they said about the rich and medicare and all that was just bs.

Terrye on December 1, 2012 at 3:25 PM

“Re-trading” a bid is not in good-faith unless it is late in the negotiations and you want to clearly say “we really, really meant it last time when we said that this is all we can offer”

phreshone on December 1, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Akzed, you get it. We typed concurrently. Good on you!
Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Great minds, etc…

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Obama says a lot of plausible, sensible stuff, that he never does. Stop borrowing, as raising the debt limit puts a burden on our grandchildren. He really said that on the Senate floor in 2006, and many times after that in his campaign. To self-limit campaign spending to federal limits, then he was the only candidate to ever break those limits in 2008. Put important policy debates (i.e. ObamaCare) on C-Span. Never even contacted C-Span about that.

When Obama says stuff that he then never does, doesn’t follow up on, or does the exact opposite, then how can you trust such a person? How can you see them as a leader who you will follow? Most everything he says is either a lie, or meaningless. As a leader of this country, he’s horrible.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Aplombed on December 1, 2012 at 3:04 PM

yup

mika didn’t think it was a mistake for dear leader to go campaigning, natch

cmsinaz on December 1, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Obama hates the middle classwhite people and will destroy itthem.

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM

FIFY

rik on December 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM

yup

mika didn’t think it was a mistake for dear leader to go campaigning, natch

cmsinaz on December 1, 2012 at 3:31 PM

It’s the NYC mentality. Sheep that gets their talking points at the cocktail circuit

rik on December 1, 2012 at 3:38 PM

rik on December 1, 2012 at 3:38 PM

indeed

cmsinaz on December 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM

lester on December 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM

“Math, Science and research is hard, logic is harder and thinking is hardest of all”

With that answer you failed at math, research, logic and thinking all in one post.

chemman on December 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM

So he’s a liar?

Gee, didn’t we just have an election in which this sort of thing could have been brought up? You know, like all the lies we were told over the past four years?

FU Romney and the entire GOP Establishment.

rrpjr on December 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM

I thought we would be through seeing bho’s face on the tube, in his shirt sleaves rolled up, totus, and his in your face attitude when he was elected! BUT, NO that slug will be doing the same thing everytime he wants something done getting out of dc on AF1 spending money we don’t have for HIM. The only thing that helps is the mute button and not looking at him.

I am at the point now, seeing and even for a moment hearing bho, I get ill! And I’m not kidding! bho lies so much he has no idea what the truth is.

And on the issue of someone who lies, it seems rice has herself an attitude also? Snotty and you might make the case threatening bunch bho has around him?

http://nation.foxnews.com/susan-rice/2012/12/01/book-susan-rice-warns-people-know-not-mess-me
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letget on December 1, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 3:13 PM

It is funny you should write that, the other day I was on a thread at one of the liberal sites watching them disparage anyone who questions the Boy King, so I simply asked, ok if you love him so much, why don’t you just get him and the Democrats to repeal the 22 Amendment and you can keep voting him in, I mean according to you he’s so great and needs more time to fix what all the Republican Presidents have screwed up. There were quite a few who thought that was the greatest idea in the world, and just a few who cautioned against it. My guess even they would go along with it, not knowing what it would unleash. The bad thing is, we here couldn’t do a thing to stop it, I mean, if we are outnumbered by the 51% seems to me by the time it is 2016 he could have enough to try and repeal it. Kooky I know, but from what I am seeing, not so much!

MarshFox on December 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Dear Liar being deceitful? Who could have seen that coming, aside from all of us who’ve been paying attention.

rbj on December 1, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Barack Obama is not and never was a community organizer, Obama is a rabble rouser,lets face facts folks that how he won re-election and that is how he intends to govern.
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philly_PA on December 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM

why is the president in Philadelphia holding a campaign rally instead of sitting behind closed doors, you know, with John Boehner

Because he is not interested in governing or legacy in a traditional sense like Clinton was! He is interested in transforming America into a social democracy, and he can’t do that unless he gets his hands on the middle class to pay for it. Ergo, the cliff, and shifting all blame to the GOP, just like he did in the election.

He’s not a traditional president; if he was, he would have shifted to the center after his party’s 2010 shellacking! When will people like Scarborough admit what is right before their eyes?

PattyJ on December 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Kooky I know, but from what I am seeing, not so much!

MarshFox on December 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Not kooky at all. Dr. Harvey Mansfield (the lone conservative at Harvard) just gave a wide-ranging interview in WSJ about the Progressive disdain for the Constitution. They are essentially trying to create a world which subordinates it rather than exalts it. If Obama can get 51% of the people to no longer believe the Consitution is the preeminnet document (and, better, that it represents an impediment to Progress) what isn’t possible?

rrpjr on December 1, 2012 at 3:48 PM

MarshFox on December 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Only two ways to repeal the 22nd and 51% of the voters can’t do it directly.
Congress passes a new amendment to repeal the 22nd and 3/4 of state legislatures vote to accept the new amendment or enough state legislatures vote to have a constitutional convention and the amendment comes out of their. I believe, but might be mistaken, that even after a CC 3/4 the of the state legislatures must vote to approve any changes.

chemman on December 1, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Because he is not interested in governing or legacy in a traditional sense like Clinton was! He is interested in transforming America into a social democracy, and he can’t do that unless he gets his hands on the middle class to pay for it. Ergo, the cliff, and shifting all blame to the GOP, just like he did in the election.

He’s not a traditional president; if he was, he would have shifted to the center after his party’s 2010 shellacking! When will people like Scarborough admit what is right before their eyes?

PattyJ on December 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM

He is not interested in a democracy. He wants absolute control.

Scarborough, et al, want what Obama wants.

davidk on December 1, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Everything about this is all dead wrong.

Obama demands tax increases to close the deficit, but at the same time wants more ‘stimulus’ spending to ease the drag on the economy that would result from tax hikes.

Natch is an idiot, too–a Beltway beggar-boy who should have been voted out a decade ago.

Everything is all wrong.

Liam on December 1, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Obamacare was a bait and switch…single payer here we come.

CW on December 1, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Yep. Roughly, the following looks like the plan:
1) Make a total debacle of this fiscal cliff negotiation issue. If taxes go up because of no deal, blame the Republicans for obstructionism. If taxes go up because Boehner & crew cave, blame the Republicans and go after them for breaking their promises. When the economy craters because of taxes going up and producers being punished, blame the Republicans.

2) Use the results of (1) during the 2014 elections to get the Republican House defeated and put the democrats back in charge of the whole government.

3) Also, during 2014, the entire Obamacare implementation will be a debacle. People will see costs rise, availability of services go down, and waiting lines out the wazoo. Blame the Republicans for obstructionism, also helps with the 2014 campaign to crush the Republican party
3a) The democrats and the MSM (but I repeat myself) spend the year with sadsack stories of people being sick and unable to get care. The sob stories will be the lede of every newspaper and the top soundbites of every alphabet channel newscast. The human interest stories at the end of the newscast will likewise focus on someone who is sick, poor, and hurting.

4) With the government solidly in democrat control in 2015, don’t recognize that it was Obamacare that caused the health care crisis, the health care crisis was caused by the obstructionist Republicans when ObamaCare was first passed and the idea of the exchanges was forced upon the democrats by the Republicans. [Note, the truth is not an issue for democrats. They are sons of the devil and speak lies, the native language of the devil]. The fact that almost 1/2 the states have refused to implement exchanges is further proof of the evil of that awful Republican scheme.

5) Propose that the only solution to this whole mess and the only way to restore the health care system we used to have is to have the federal government take over the whole industry via single payer. The president, the democrats,and the MSM (but I repeat myself) will make this above the fold headlines and all the alphabet channels will lead their newscasts with breathless excitement of this “bold, innovative” solution proposed by the President and the New Congress. Human interest story of the day will provide example of how this will cure cancer and bring the dead back to life.

6) Single payer is implemented and the final nail in the coffin of freedom and liberty is placed.

7) This one is up to us. At this point, the choices are a) accept the tyranny and surrender to the Beast or b) Take a good hard look at what our ancestors did in the 1770′s.

AZfederalist on December 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Natch is an idiot, too–a Beltway beggar-boy who should have been voted out a decade ago.

Everything is all wrong.

Liam on December 1, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Yes, but Sarah Palin endorsed Hatch, so there’s that or something.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 3:59 PM

chemman on December 1, 2012 at 3:51 PM

No, you are right, I apologize there was some implied things in my statement that I shouldn’t have left unanswered. My meaning was that if we can’t stop him getting reelected, what is to say we could stop him from beating the war drums loud enough and long enough to get the people worked up on a fervor to where they get their state legislatures to act on it. Now, it is a long shot sure, I mean too many red states right now, should blunt the attempt, but I did a lot of research for a paper when I was in college on the 17th Amendment, no one really saw that coming either and somehow Wilson and the boys got it done. Although what I found is that the 16th and the 17th were on shaky ground due to some technicalities, of course no one questions anymore because everyone believes that the Government would never due anything that wasn’t right./s!

MarshFox on December 1, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Yes, but Sarah Palin endorsed Hatch, so there’s that or something.

JPeterman on December 1, 2012 at 3:59 PM

A totally irrelevant and useless detail, except for those smug smarmy types who think being snide is somehow a ‘gotcha!’ that somehow matters as actual history unfolds.

Liam on December 1, 2012 at 4:03 PM

We’re entering a Book of Judges cycle.

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Actually, if you read the Book of Judges, this was a good time for the Israelites. They were led by the Judges like Deborah, Samson, and Samuel. They had a great deal of freedom

Judges 21: 24-25

At that time the Israelites left that place and went home to their tribes and clans, each to his own inheritance.

25 In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit.

It was actually in sin that the Israelites demanded that they have a king, despite Samuel’s warning of what a king would demand of them (taxes, slavery, and conscription). Yet they still insisted on being given a king. — That seems to be where we are at today. Fools in our country don’t realize the freedoms we have because we do not bow to a king and want one to give them all that they desire from the fruits of what others have done.

AZfederalist on December 1, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Because Obama has no idea how to negotiate. He knows how to community organize and make demands then pit one group against another to to get his way. Whatever lies have be told to do that, he tells. It’s all he knows.
Why is anyone surprised?

Curmudgeon on December 1, 2012 at 2:43 PM

He has no desire to negotiate and in reality, doesn’t have to since the media will use their influence to point the blame at the Republicans.

He is doing what he wants, dividing and conquering the country.

I shudder to think of what we will be discussing after four more years of him.

Jvette on December 1, 2012 at 4:05 PM

…lester !…change your name to stupidshit when they have a new open reg…

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Will remember this for a chuckle when needed.

Jvette on December 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM

All this is really just about power. The democrats could have changed the tax rates in 2009, when they controlled both houses of congress and the presidency. Not interested.

Democrats could have changed the evil carried interest loophole that Obama brought up so often in his campaign and during the debates. Turns out democrats like Sen Chuck Shumer, who sits on the Senate Finance Committee, make sure that change never gets out of committee. Go figure.

They don’t really care about the middle class, they just use taxes as a club to beat the Republicans over the head with.

STL_Vet on December 1, 2012 at 4:12 PM

It was actually in sin that the Israelites demanded that they have a king, despite Samuel’s warning of what a king would demand of them (taxes, slavery, and conscription). Yet they still insisted on being given a king. — That seems to be where we are at today. Fools in our country don’t realize the freedoms we have because we do not bow to a king and want one to give them all that they desire from the fruits of what others have done.

AZfederalist on December 1, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I have likened Palin to Deborah.

One one need to read I & II Kings to see what absolute power yields. And the judgement of God on that abuse.

davidk on December 1, 2012 at 4:15 PM

davidk on December 1, 2012 at 4:12 PM

We’re aware of it, and that Pelosi is all for it, too.

I find that strange, really, because giving him that kind of power removes hers from her place in Congress. Or, maybe, she wants the result without having to take responsibility. If the latter, she’ll throw Obama under the bus if it comes down to it.

Of course, with a Pub president seeking to expand the military during a crisis, Nancy would have serious issues. But that’s another story.

Liam on December 1, 2012 at 4:18 PM

These ideas are so radical that they have already been rejected on a bipartisan basis by Congress.”


And yet…….they were deemed TEATERLICIOUS at the polls last month by a majority of the American people Senator Hatch.

Latch on America this Federal Sow has enough warm milk for everyone pay no attention to those extremist tea bagger so called Conservatives.

sllllllllllllllllurp it up.

PappyD61 on December 1, 2012 at 4:20 PM

The ‘bait and switch’ was in 2008…

Obama campaigned as Mr. Moderate and Mr. Uniter, while everyone who bothered to look at his record was calling BS.

Then, when he gets elected, it is Mr. Fundamental Transformation of America that we get to see.

This is not a new tactic on Obama’s part, Sen. Hatch: if you have taken this long to realize it, then you really are unable to see the nose on the front of your face.

ajacksonian on December 1, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Actually, if you read the Book of Judges, this was a good time for the Israelites. They were led by the Judges like Deborah, Samson, and Samuel. They had a great deal of freedom AZfederalist on December 1, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Well, without the stretches between the judges there is no cycle, is there? And those periods were characterized by foreigners oppressing the nation.

Judges 2

11 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and served Baalim:

12 And they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the Lord to anger.

13 And they forsook the Lord, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

14 And the anger of the Lord was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies.

15 Whithersoever they went out, the hand of the Lord was against them for evil, as the Lord had said, and as the Lord had sworn unto them: and they were greatly distressed.

16 Nevertheless the Lord raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them…

This is repeated many times.

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Uh guys… in negotiations your opening bid is never going to be the actual result that you wish to end up with. I’m pretty sure everyone here knows that, otherwise you’d be a terrible negotiator.

Typhonsentra on December 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The Republicans are going to be extinct if all they can do is vent and whine. They better learn how to fight this guy successfully.

Charm on December 1, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Zero has no intention of negotiating. His intent is to crash the economy, make things bad enough so the sheeple will accept anything offered up by “our lord and savior”. The GOP will sit around smugly holding strategy sessions while Zero pulls yet another end run on them and Obama’s faithful will eat it up.

ghostwalker1 on December 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Uh guys… in negotiations your opening bid is never going to be the actual result that you wish to end up with. I’m pretty sure everyone here knows that, otherwise you’d be a terrible negotiator.

Typhonsentra on December 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Well, it’s nice to know that even though they’ve had over a year to do something, with a month to go your messiah feels there is still time to play games for a few more weeks before pulling his head out of Jarrett’s butt and getting to work.

Night Owl on December 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Uh guys… in negotiations your opening bid is never going to be the actual result that you wish to end up with. I’m pretty sure everyone here knows that, otherwise you’d be a terrible negotiator.

Typhonsentra on December 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Bought and sold a lot of RE in New Egland. When some lowballing Ahole makes an offer like this one I would form the bird with my hand, press it across their offer and outline it with a marksalot.
I suggest that the Repubs do the same.

rik on December 1, 2012 at 5:08 PM

If the opening bid was the same as what has been roundly rejected by both Houses on a bipartisan basis, and

Credit agencies have looked at and said it would lead to another downgrade, and

Modern history- as well as current events show that massive spending leads to economic catastrophe, and

This is nothing more than democratic wish list according to Steny Hoyer, then

The democratic economic agenda is nothing more than a path to the end of the Republic.

How can this be denied?

BKeyser on December 1, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Due to the current financial situation caused by the slowdown in the economy, President Obama has decided to implement a scheme to put workers of 50 years of age and above on early retirement, thus creating jobs and reducing unemployment. This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early).

Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to President Obama to be considered for the SHAFT program (Special Help After Forced
Termination).

Persons who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under
the SCREW program (System Covering Retired-Early Workers).
A person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as President Obama deems appropriate.

Persons who have been RAPED could get AIDS(Additional Income for
Dependents & Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel Early Severance).

Obviously persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or
SCREWED any further by President Obama. Persons who are not RAPED and are staying on will receive as much ‘shiznit’ (Special High Intensity Training) as possible. President Obama has always prided himself on the amount of ‘shiznit’ he gives our citizens.Should you feel that you do not receive enough ‘shiznit’, please bring this to the attention of President Obama, who has been trained to give you all the ‘shiznit’ you can handle.

Sincerely, The Committee for Economic Value of Individual Lives (EVIL)

RasThavas on December 1, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Orin “go screw yourself Microsoft” Hatch? Yeah, I’m just not that impressed by this Johnny come lately.

SuperBunny on December 1, 2012 at 5:30 PM

“Maybe I missed it but I don’t recall him asking for any of that during the presidential campaign. These ideas are so radical that they have already been rejected on a bipartisan basis by Congress.”

Dear Senator Hatch,

Please check with Candy Crowley. Apparently she walks around with transcripts of every word uttered by the rat-eared wonder.

Happy Nomad on December 1, 2012 at 5:40 PM

You ever have the sentiment, “if not for *so and so in my life*, I don’t know that I would have made it”?

This is a case of, “If America didn’t have a strong leader from 2008 to 2016 (yes folks, he’s in til 2016 … 2017 even!), I don’t know that we would have made it. And we haven’t, and we aren’t. How history can be changed by one man. Was watching a panel on Churchill on “Charlie Rose” today. There was someone who rose to the occasion. Obama … meh. Obama is a nothing. He’s the Paris Hilton of our day. Neville Chamberlain would kick his butt.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 5:43 PM

The Republicans are going to be extinct if all they can do is vent and whine. They better learn how to fight this guy successfully.

Charm on December 1, 2012 at 4:35 PM

The jury is in: they can’t fight him.

rrpjr on December 1, 2012 at 5:50 PM

This is repeated many times.

Akzed on December 1, 2012 at 4:29 PM

You are correct of course. However, after Solomon, they did the same thing with Kings as well, only it was the kings leading them in their idolatry. My point was more to the fact that they were responsible for their actions and were able to act more freely before they demanded a king. Their worship of false gods was unfortunately true both before and after the establishment of the royal line.

AZfederalist on December 1, 2012 at 5:52 PM

The only thing Obama has ever succeeded at is convincing people to put him in a position to fail even more epically.

Count to 10 on December 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM

There was someone who rose to the occasion. Obama … meh. Obama is a nothing. He’s the Paris Hilton of our day. Neville Chamberlain would kick his butt.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I think you’ve got it wrong Paul.

The rat-eared wonder came into office intent on destroying America as we know it. Too arrogant and special for his socialist upbringing by a hippie slut mother, anti-Western Dad, and Muslim socialist step-dad. Throw in the hatred of America by native Hawaiians and you’ve got a guy who thinks America needs to be taken down to be like the rest of the world. The death of American exceptionalism.

His ethnic background and affirmative action gave this intellectual lightweight the credentials he needed to destroy America. The MSM love of the story about the first black President ensured his success in destroying America. I’m having a hard time not hating everybody who supported this filthy bastard.

Happy Nomad on December 1, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Thelma has it right. “Just keep goin’.” Drive off the “cliff” so everyone can know what it’s like to actually PAY for what you’re getting from the government. Do it. Floor it.

Mojave Mark on December 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Thelma has it right. “Just keep goin’.” Drive off the “cliff” so everyone can know what it’s like to actually PAY for what you’re getting from the government. Do it. Floor it.

Mojave Mark on December 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I’m not holding hands with Bishop while we go over. It’s just too gay.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

“Obama offered a bait and switch”

Wait a minute…you mean some people still don’t know what he is yet???
We’re screwed.

Mimzey on December 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Happy Nomad on December 1, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Bad time to be a Happy Nomad eh? Well put post. As for me, I am not having a hard time hating those who voted for destruction of America.
They need a crash.

arnold ziffel on December 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

He’s the Paris Hilton of our day. Neville Chamberlain would kick his butt.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Neville was actually a well meaning fool who thought appeasement was a reasonable rational policy that would work. Dear Leader is not rational and reasonable. His “fun” proposal on taxes and the debt ceiling is evidence of that. He is a fascist socialist and apparently a megalomaniac.

Also, Neville probably wore the pants in his house. Dear Leader is dominated by at least two women, and maybe three — Michelle Antoinette, Valerie, and possibly Susan Rice.

farsighted on December 1, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Maybe there’s another approach: Just have the Republican House pass their solution bill and send it to the Senate. The Senate won’t agree, but then the onus will be on the Democrat Senate.

Later, the argument will be that the Republicans put forward an unworkable solution. But, the counter-argument will be that the Senate couldn’t improve or work out the House proposal.

As the situation now stands, the Democrats are looking to cast blame on the Republicans, which is a no win situation. At least, the House Republicans can later say that they offered a proposal but the Democrats wouldn’t accept it. So, the Republicans can then make the best out of an otherwise bad position.

Special Forces Grunt on December 1, 2012 at 10:41 PM

We’re 4 weeks away and just now the Presidents has his opening offer ? For what are we paying him for ?

J_Crater on December 2, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Maybe my my math’s not so good but how do you give 98 % of the people a tax cut when only 53 % pay taxes.

kwbrownie2003 on December 2, 2012 at 4:11 AM

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