AAA warns EPA to halt sale of E15 gas

posted at 7:01 pm on December 1, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Back in August we told you about the courts rejecting a challenge to an EPA mandate to start using 15% ethanol blends in fuels. The industry said we weren’t ready for it, consumer guides were nervous and the testing pointed to likely problems to come. Naysayers claimed that the tests were being done by partisan groups with a vested interest in the energy companies or… whatever. Either way, the EPA wasn’t going to listen.

This weekend, a decidedly non-partisan organization sent up a distress signal on the subject which just might garner a bit more attention. The AAA has warned the EPA that E-15 fuels will have a detrimental effect on the current fleet of cars, fuel distributors and just about everyone else.

The AAA says the Environmental Protection Agency and gasoline retailers should halt the sale of E15, a new ethanol blend that could damage millions of vehicles and void car warranties.

AAA, which issued its warning today, says just 12 million of more than 240 million cars, trucks and SUVs now in use have manufacturers’ approval for E15. Flex-fuel vehicles, 2012 and newer General Motors vehicles, 2013 Fords and 2001 and later model Porsches are the exceptions, according to AAA, the nation’s largest motorist group, with 53.5 million members.

“It is clear that millions of Americans are unfamiliar with E15, which means there is a strong possibility that many may improperly fill up using this gasoline and damage their vehicle,” AAA President and CEO Robert Darbelnet tells USA TODAY. “Bringing E15 to the market without adequate safeguards does not responsibly meet the needs of consumers.”

King Corn still holds a lot of sway, and the EPA seems willing to back up anything that promotes “green energy” regardless of the cost. But if you read into the findings cited by the AAA, the message may become very clear to consumers in a hurry. What will be affected? Damage to engines over the long run is a direct hit to consumers’ pocketbooks, but retail outlets are seeing the larger hit they may take as well.

The National Association of Convenience Stores says it’s also worried about the effect of E15 on station pumps and fuel lines. “The EPA says its OK to sell it, but for most retailers, there is too much uncertainty related to consumer demand and liability protection, especially if it’s later determined E15 is a defective product or there are problems,” spokesman Jeff Lenard says.

It may look like it’s too late to back off from this particular cliff, but it’s not. The EPA can loosen the restriction and grant waivers until such time as new technologies can be put in place to handle the hotter burning, more corrosive blends. Will that happen?

Well… it’s the government. You know how good they are at staving off disaster. Don’t worry, citizens. I’m sure everything will be just fine!


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This is intentional negligence and total malice by the EPA.

They are well aware most modern vehicles are engineered to use a maximum of 10 percent ethanol and more than than will cause harm to engines and fuel systems, violate new car warranties and endanger lives through reducing reliability which would compromise safety through otherwise avoidable vehicle failures.

viking01 on December 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Come on, does anyone actually think the #$#%$#% EPA gives a damn?

clippermiami on December 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

The AAA says the Environmental Protection Agency and gasoline retailers should halt the sale of E15, a new ethanol blend that could damage millions of vehicles and void car warranties.

Cash For Clunkers had a similar effect on millions of vehicles..

This damaging effect goes by the name of..

Democrat.

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Stupid EPA.

Hope you’re happy, dumbazz Obama voters.

22044 on December 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Shades of when the US (and then the rest of the world, forced us to us unleaded).

Those of us with cars not built to take it either sold them or had to use fuel additives to make up for the lubricity in leaded fuel.

There are several key macro-economic differences between then and now but the end result is this will affect a heck of a lot more people.

Forward.

CorporatePiggy on December 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Isn’t this the epitome of being screwed by onerous, mindless, unchallengeable federal regs? And speaking of epitomization, isn’t this the epitome of the Obama administration?

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Come on, does anyone actually think the #$#%$#% EPA gives a damn?

clippermiami on December 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

We have a severe bedbug problem in Cincinnati. We’re like the bedbug capital of America, a problem that was solved decades ago, controlled by the proper pesticide. But then the EPA banned that pesticide, because of possible ill effects on children. (Even if the household had no children in it!) So a few years ago then governor Ted Strickland (D-OH) wrote the EPA a letter pleading with them for us to use that banned pesticide. So they replied with some bulls***, upshot was, no. And then we have suffering, and not only that, houses burned down from a treatment of making the inside temp 160F, which goes awry. Oh, and recently, a woman soaked her mattress in alcohol to try to kill the bedbugs, then somehow lit it, burning her house down.

No. The EPA doesn’t give a s***. They’re a federal bureaucracy. They have no heart. This is the living embodiment of Obama’s America of Compassion. It’s a huge heartless machine. Next, onerous energy policy that hurts, and kills, people. All in the name of goodness.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Ethanol sucks so bad. It’s insanely stupid.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

This blend was specifically formulated to destroy engines – Period. Have no doubt – Pharaohbama knows exactly what he’s doing. And, in completely unrelated NEWS: obama’s Government Motors will soon be offering a full line of sub-compact all-electric vehicles to replace all current combustion engine vehicles on the road.

Pork-Chop on December 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

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@AAAnews

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canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

So when this new blend destroys our cars can we sue the EPA?

jawkneemusic on December 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM

What happens when the manufacturers sell $40,000.00 cars with no engine warranty?

docflash on December 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

You have it all wrong. This is part of Obama’s stimulus plan. Cars wear out faster, which is better for the economy. I’m just disappointed you just don’t recognize brilliance in action. Clearly AAA is a racist, big-oil, anti-green, and socially conservative organization.

STL_Vet on December 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Ethanol-free gas is available. Here’s where.

M240H on December 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

…R E V O L U T I O N …!!!
….(is that *scream* bannable?)

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Speaking of the little work-horses!!!!

Protecting the Life of Small Equipment: A Brief Summary
Here’s what you need to know, bottom line….

2011 was a great year for small engine repair shops
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View our Technical Bulletin:How to Pr As the EPA announced plans to approved E15 for use in the national fuel supply, it was anticipated that it would be a number on boats, cars and trucks. Boats were certainly affected and most drivers complained of poor mileage, but didn’t really see too much damage in newer vehicles from ethanol.

Problems for Small Engines Posed By Ethanol

Ethanol’s tendency to pull water from the air and its tendency to dissolve rubber and plastic parts pose the biggest problems for these kind of engines, especiallysmall engine ethanol problems if you tend to leave the fuel in the machine for long periods of time (like with stand-alone emergency generators that run on gas). The longer the fuel sits, the more water collects, which causes phase seperation of the fuel and leaves you with a tank full of poor-octane gas with a layer of water-alcohol sitting on the bottom of the tank. That’s not a good situation for afuel problems in gas generators generation machine that may have to be relied upon to provide emergency or support power at any time.

Dissolving of Critical Parts

Consumers who use ethanol in small engines like lawn mowers, garden equipment and power equipment have been dismayed to find leaky fuel lines and damaged seals, even to the extent as to render their expensive equipment inoperable. Little did they suspect that the ethanol fuel they left in their machines would dissolve the rubber and plastic parts over time.

2-Cycle Lubrication Problems

Not only this, but owners of small 2-stroke engines that mix fuel and oil are finding that ethanol has terrible effects on the performance of this mixture within their engines. The ethanol pulls water into the fuel, and the water dilutes the dissolved oil in the blend, ultimately preventing it from reaching all of the parts it needs to to provide adequate lubrication. Poor engine performance and damage are the inevitable result.(More….)
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http://www.bellperformance.com/we-fix-fuel/what-are-you-aiming-to-do-/-protect-small-equipment/

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

What happens when the manufacturers sell $40,000.00 cars with no engine warranty?

docflash on December 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

…JugEars will give you the ‘millionaires’ and ‘billionaires’ cars… who are making over $250,000.00

KOOLAID2 on December 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Let It (your car) Burn …

ShainS on December 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Of course, the big thing is that almost no station carries E15. They have to have a separate pump and concerns that people with cars made before 2007 would use it. So, they don’t bother.

William Teach on December 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

King Corn still holds a lot of sway, and the EPA seems willing to back up anything that claims to promte promotes “green energy” regardless of the cost

fify

Count to 10 on December 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

So when this new blend destroys our cars can we sue the EPA?

jawkneemusic on December 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Sure…
Just write a letter to our King..
He will petition for a new bill to be created called..

The Willie Nelson Drink less Act..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

mandate all cars to run on algae

Slade73 on December 1, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,fourth video down……

Video Library

Ethanol (E15)
Outdoor Power Equipment Institute to Spearhead Campaign to Educate Consumers About E15
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Showdown at the Pump – E15 Ethanol Fuel Threatens Equipment

06/29/2012

Total Landscape Care interviews Kris Kiser, President of OPEI, regarding efforts to stop the use of E15 ethanol fuel. What you need to know & why it’s important to act.

http://opei.org/opeipress/video-library/

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

What happens when the manufacturers sell $40,000.00 cars with no engine warranty?

docflash on December 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

docflash:Cash for Clunkers Part Deux?(sarc)

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

let’s raise the GasTax but call it GasCare to fool the peons and John Roberts

Slade73 on December 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Speaking of a Fuel user…………………….

The world’s 1st nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, USS Enterprise, has retired from active service in the US Navy – @AP

2 hours ago from http://www.cbsnews.com by editor
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December 1, 2012, 5:20 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57556629/uss-enterprise-retires-from-active-service/

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

let’s raise the GasTax but call it GasCare to fool the peons and John Roberts

Slade73 on December 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

GasCare LOLOLOL

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

let’s raise the GasTax but call it GasCare to fool the peons and John Roberts

Slade73 on December 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Somehow we need to roll in “Commerce Clause”..

Then Roberts will take the road of TAX…

Then re-write the bill to accommodate..

Gotta love the Supremes..

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

One of the reasons I bought a flex-fuel truck–I can’t build a refinery, but I can build a still.
rg

rginco on December 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

One of the reasons I bought a flex-fuel truck–I can’t build a refinery, but I can build a still.
rg

rginco on December 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Then the Congress will limit you to how much you can “Still” per acre..

No acreage you say…..

No Flex For You!

Electrongod on December 1, 2012 at 7:54 PM

The AAA has warned the EPA that E-15 fuels will have a detrimental effect on the current fleet of cars, fuel distributors and just about everyone else.

That’s yer problem right there. As far as the EPA and Obama regime are concerned, this is a feature, not a bug. Destroy as many gas burning engines as possible as soon as possible in order to make people buy the kinds of engine the regime believes the peasants should be allowed to own.

AZfederalist on December 1, 2012 at 8:00 PM

let’s raise the GasTax but call it GasCare to fool the peons and John Roberts

Slade73 on December 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

People must buy E15 gas whether they drive or not.

STL_Vet on December 1, 2012 at 8:02 PM

All according to plan.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Bring back Cash for Clunkers! Except this time, instead of spending 10K on paper work to give out 2K vouchers for useable cars, these cars will have damaged engines!

AshleyTKing on December 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

NEW:…Stuff corn down your tank….

OLD: Stuff a tiger into your tank….
(snark)
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ESSO -TIGER Commercial Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLG-S8XeSmQ&list=PL5160CCCE28A6EF34&index=6&feature=plpp_video

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Examples of octane ratings

The RON/MON values of n-heptane and iso-octane are exactly 0 and 100, respectively, by the definition of octane rating. The following table lists octane ratings for various other fuels
============================================================

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating#Examples_of_octane_ratings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Meat prices are up 50% to 100% due to the drought and grain prices, do we really need to subsidize big corn anymore?

Mr. Joe on December 1, 2012 at 8:25 PM

The government want us out of our older cars. Also, the government owns GM. It benefits them to sell people cars.

This was the goal is cash for clunkers. Now the want to destroy the cars of the owners who refused to participate.

portlandon on December 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Q: What does a Democrat call 212,000,000 dead cars?
A: Utopia!

Kenosha Kid on December 1, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Stupid EPA.

Hope you’re happy, dumbazz Obama voters.

22044 on December 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Sure, but the way it works is they’ll blame Bush, the oil companies and Republicans.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Oh, and recently, a woman soaked her mattress in alcohol to try to kill the bedbugs, then somehow lit it, burning her house down.

Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Is soaking your mattress and setting it on fire to kill bedbugs an EPA-approved use of Ethanol?
Also unless the house fire was permitted it was probably another Environmental Crime.
That woman has some ‘splaiin’ to do.

Kenosha Kid on December 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

People must buy E15 gas whether they drive or not.

STL_Vet on December 1, 2012 at 8:02 PM

“It’s got the electrolytes plants crave.”

Kenosha Kid on December 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

They’re going to destroy all of our cars and then make us buy Chevy Volts.

Is this not criminal? The government is mandating we destroy our cars. How is this not criminal?
The government is mandating we use a product on our vehicles that will destroy our engines.

JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM

s got the electrolytes plants crave.”

Kenosha Kid on December 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM“It’

I saw what you did there. heh heh

rginco on December 1, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Come on, does anyone actually think the #$#%$#% EPA gives a damn?

clippermiami on December 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

It’s worse than that. They are of the broken window school of economics.

Just think of all the new cars that will have to be bought when the current fleet breaks.

They were kicking around a rust threshold on vehicles’ undercarriages here in Ohio. One of the idiot balloon floaters was cheering about how it would help the auto industry, everyone being convinced that their cars are unsafe and needing replaced…

Nathan_OH on December 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

But our government wouldn’t do anything as awful as this… Obama and the EPA care about us, after all.

MT on December 1, 2012 at 9:23 PM

When is Obama going to finally pay for gas for my car!

It’s not fair that the “richest among us” can pay for their fuel but the rest of us struggle!!

FEDERAL FUEL SUBSIDIES NOW!!!

PappyD61 on December 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I wonder….is there a way we can alter E-15 after we get stuck with it to make it less harmful? I know that alcohol evaporates out…can we exploit that inexpensively? With some sort of snap-on filter? Or like fuel additives that deal with water in a gas tank, only with alcohol in a gas tank?

I’m not a chemist, but I can raise questions and wonder a bit.

ProfShadow on December 1, 2012 at 9:32 PM

M240H on December 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

thanks for that website number. Or more precisely, my 1983 200 Hp Mercury Nlack Max 2 stroke outboard thanks you.

8 weight on December 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

They think we are rich and spoiled and can withstand all these attacks on our pocketbooks. They despise us.

Surprised at AAA; usually they support the state religion of enviromentalism.

PattyJ on December 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Nlack = Black

8 weight on December 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

How about AAA stop trying to pick up a turd by the clean end, and call E15 for what it is – sabotage and terrorism.

Archivarix on December 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Forward.

CorporatePiggy on December 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Yeah. Forward.

To Washington DC with torches and pitchforks.

Isn’t it about time?

UltimateBob on December 1, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I’m not sure why any retailer would choose to sell this product. It seems ripe for future lawsuits. My guess is there will be little demand for it. I’m glad I heard about it.

Ellis on December 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Iowa leads the nation in Ethanol production BY FAR.
We all know how money buys votes and influence in D.C.

Iowa voted for Obama in both presidential elections.

And yet, Republican candidates will spend the next four years prancing around the state of Iowa pleading for caucus votes (kind of a screwy way to hold a primary, IMO).

Maybe it’s time the GOP found another state to kick of it’s primary season. Maybe someplace like Colorado.

MichaelGabriel on December 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

It is a feature, not a bug.
When are (most of) you folks going to figure out that it is not stupidity and ‘unexpected consequences’ behind these disasters that these rulings cause, but INTENT????

LegendHasIt on December 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Well with E15, EVERYONE will have to go into hock and buy a new car.

Barry doesn’t see a problem with that.

GarandFan on December 1, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Don’t forget that the government owns a huge portion of GM. So when the government enacts by law a fuel that destroys existing cars, consumer demand for replacement vehicles will skyrocket.

This is exactly like a windshield repair store hiring kids to go around town and shoot out car windows with BB guns to generate business…with one exception. The BB gun trick is illegal.

E15 is not.

BobMbx on December 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

If you own rural land clear it, plow it under and plant corn. Or other grains. I see lots of land sitting fallow these days and wonder why. There is such opportunity and $$ to be made.

Darvin Dowdy on December 1, 2012 at 10:50 PM

If you own rural land clear it, plow it under and plant corn. Or other grains. I see lots of land sitting fallow these days and wonder why. There is such opportunity and $$ to be made.

Darvin Dowdy on December 1, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Please do not ever make it out to be that simple to a real farmer, you will either be laughed at, educated on your folly, or decked.

Nathan_OH on December 1, 2012 at 11:02 PM

America deserves the government it has. Those who are paying attention will adapt, those who are focused on American Idol and Dancing With the Stars will suffer and well they should, they elected the coming disaster.

Rancher on December 1, 2012 at 11:04 PM

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Maybe we could snatch up the reactors coming off it and use those to power a car or two?

The government is mandating we use a product on our vehicles that will destroy our engines.

JellyToast on December 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM

That’s OK, the government has already mandated we use a product that will destroy our lives. (Obamacare)

Isn’t it about time?

UltimateBob on December 1, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Past time. Well past time.

GWB on December 1, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Darvin Dowdy

on December 1, 2012 at 10:50 PM

.
Please do not ever make it out to be that simple to a real farmer, you will either be laughed at, educated on your folly, or decked.

Nathan_OH on December 1, 2012 at 11:02 PM

.
What is the practical reason for letting other-wise productive farm land sit fallow?

listens2glenn on December 1, 2012 at 11:07 PM

What is the practical reason for letting other-wise productive farm land sit fallow?

Payment for little work? Filling out paperwork is a lot easier than planting and harvesting a crop and a lot less risky.
/From the farmers perspective

Rancher on December 1, 2012 at 11:16 PM

What is the practical reason for letting other-wise productive farm land sit fallow?

listens2glenn on December 1, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Federal subsidies.

It’s been SOP ever since farming began that intentionally allowing land to sit fallow (aside from a scheduled period of ‘letting it rest’) is stupid. But no, the government knows better…

MelonCollie on December 1, 2012 at 11:19 PM

ESSO -TIGER Commercial Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLG-S8XeSmQ&list=PL5160CCCE28A6EF34&index=6&feature=plpp_video

canopfor on December 1, 2012 at 8:16 PM

.
Ho – ly … balls, . . . . . did that ever take me back.

Anyone else recognize that music?

Thanks canap’. : )

listens2glenn on December 1, 2012 at 11:23 PM

What is the practical reason for letting other-wise productive farm land sit fallow?

listens2glenn on December 1, 2012 at 11:07 PM
.

Payment for little work? Filling out paperwork is a lot easier than planting and harvesting a crop and a lot less risky.
/From the farmers perspective

Rancher on December 1, 2012 at 11:16 PM

.

What is the practical reason for letting other-wise productive farm land sit fallow?

Federal subsidies.

It’s been SOP ever since farming began that intentionally allowing land to sit fallow (aside from a scheduled period of ‘letting it rest’) is stupid. But no, the government knows better…

MelonCollie on December 1, 2012 at 11:19 PM

.
I’m aware of Federal subsidies, but didn’t consider that to be practical.

With today’s fertilizer technology, I wouldn’t have thought there would be a practical necessity for letting land rest.
But I’m not a farmer (I’ve just been around it), and can’t swear as to the validity of that claim.

But government subsidies to “not grow” certain crops is stupidity gone exponential. Or … it’s a very smart move on the part of our enemies, who have infiltrated our government.

listens2glenn on December 1, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Perhaps the chosen one doesn’t want the little people to have cars, only the uber rich oligarchs will have money to buy taxpayer motor electric cars.
Then the little people will have to leave the suburbs & go back into the liberal entitlement cities to live & rely on trains to nowhere for transport. & once the little people move into the cities, they’ll learn to love & vote for the Democrats.

Belle on December 1, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Yeah. Forward.

To Washington DC with torches and pitchforks.

Isn’t it about time?

UltimateBob on December 1, 2012 at 9:53 PM

In my state you cannot buy gas without ‘up to 10% ethanol in it’.

We border 2 states that sell what was once known as gasoline.

It’s a 10th amendment issue but not the way you’d think – this state has effectively outlawed real gasoline itself.

CorporatePiggy on December 1, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Not only does it corrode your fuel system but it also decreases your fuel economy. I’ve got a ’05 Subaru Impreza and I was getting 25-26 MPG in mixed driving with pure gasoline. Then the 10% blends came out and it went down to 22-23 mpg. With e15 it’d go down to 20 mpg. Not only is the gas getting more expensive by the gallon but it doesn’t take you as far also.

Heftyjo on December 1, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Ruining cars is a feature, not a bug. I’m serious. The government wants to break us. From the top down to the least little self-important minion.

Alana on December 1, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Beat the rush, buy your bicycles now.

Rebar on December 1, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Fat chance the illiteratti in EPA will do a thing. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead…into the iceberg.

ironked on December 1, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Heftyjo on December 1, 2012 at 11:46 PM

It’s also going to blow your valve seals including your head seal, well before you had to worry about that.

Short version – higher temps, less lubricity.

And yes you can engineer around this but 95% of cars out there will be affected.

CorporatePiggy on December 1, 2012 at 11:57 PM

There are still some stations in my state that sell ethanol free gas. Its the only one I’ll use, until Big Brother EPA puts a stop to it. Worth the extra cost; much improved gas mileage.

Belle on December 2, 2012 at 12:01 AM

The only way is to beat the EPA in court, like that couple in Idaho did, over the use of their property.

Ward Cleaver on December 2, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Lawn mowers will be trashed as well.

FlaMurph on December 2, 2012 at 12:20 AM

The EPA doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about what E15 may do to the refueling infrastructure, or to the vehicles it will be used in (under duress), or what the economic damages that may accrue to businesses and individuals.
You must understand, they want everyone to stop using internal-combustion engined vehicles, and that is the only thing that matters – to them!

Another Drew on December 2, 2012 at 12:39 AM

intentional negligence

ama on December 2, 2012 at 1:51 AM

So we are now pivoting to the party of limited fuel choice? Sounds like bad news

jayhawkboilermaker on December 2, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Obama is a far more dangerous additive.

He destroys the nation’s economic engines.

profitsbeard on December 2, 2012 at 2:58 AM

This is intentional negligence and total malice by the EPA.

viking01 on December 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM

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intentional negligence

ama on December 2, 2012 at 1:51 AM

.
Aw c’mon, you two. There’s a much better word for “intentional negligence”.

… I had it on the tip of my tongue, a second ago . . . . . a word fairly familiar …
.

How about AAA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . call E15 for what it is – sabotage and terrorism.

Archivarix on December 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM

.
YEAH ! … that’s it.
But I wouldn’t include “terrorism” with that.

listens2glenn on December 2, 2012 at 3:35 AM

It has been an historic goal of the Democrat Party to ubite:

1) Blue Collar & Union Workers.

2) Inner city residents.

3) Women and those they identify as other minorities.

4) The poor.

5) Farmers.

Any buying program or subsidy of farm products has a lot of near automatic support.

IlikedAUH2O on December 2, 2012 at 6:10 AM

Talk about bass ackward thinking. The EPA deems E-15 the law of the land. Millions of car engines may be harmed. Millions of Smart Consumers move one pump to the left or right and buy higher-priced non-ethanol gas. Makes a person wonder if “big oil” was behind E-15, as they laugh all the way to the bank.

RADIOONE on December 2, 2012 at 6:58 AM

So, E-15 will destroy the internal combustion engine, tie up the oil companies, gasoline resellers and automakers in crippling product-liability litigation, and enrich plaintiffs’ lawyers (and, of course, the corporate defense bar). This sounds like someone has developed a computer algorithm to create the perfect Democratic Party policy. Does E-15 cause spontaneous abortions? Then we’ll know.

Brendon Carr on December 2, 2012 at 8:08 AM

Of course E-15 will destroy car engines; that is the intent of this policy.

Wealthy Obama voters can replace their Evil Internal Combustion Engines with Government Motor Volts, subsidized by the taxpayer of course.

The rest of us peasants can take public transport–why do you think all those high speed rail lines are being built? It’s not just to create union jobs.

MidniteRambler on December 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Damage and wear out existing cars early?

Not a bug – a feature.

Midas on December 2, 2012 at 9:13 AM

They will ban ethanol once we’re all tooling along in electric cars. Then, the price of tacos will fall and Mexican restaurants will be hardest hit.
A judge here has just banned the trapping of wolverines after a lawsuit from a tree hugger group even tho the studies don’t show enough info to list the little buggers as endangered and get them listed. No one really knows how many there are in the wild because they are so elusive but just the idea that they could be on the way out as a species was enough for the ban. No proof of anything is necessary in fed courts.

Kissmygrits on December 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Damage and wear out existing cars early?

Not a bug – a feature.

Midas on December 2, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Exactly.

People buy gas cars but not electric? Easy to fix, just poison the gas.

petefrt on December 2, 2012 at 9:20 AM

AAA, which issued its warning today, says just 12 million of more than 240 million cars, trucks and SUVs now in use have manufacturers’ approval for E15. Flex-fuel vehicles, 2012 and newer General Motors vehicles, 2013 Fords and 2001 and later model Porsches are the exceptions, according to AAA, the nation’s largest motorist group, with 53.5 million members.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the a-holes in charge of this country have decided to deliberately destroy vehicles that don’t comply with their desired agenda (environmental, to our economic detriment). Then everyone would have to buy a Volt or something like it – or do without.

People keep assuming that President Obama would never deliberately harm the country or the economy, which is just too cute! Open your freaking eyes – what has he done in the last 4 years that a normal, America-loving president would do?

disa on December 2, 2012 at 9:34 AM

what has he done in the last 4 years that a normal, America-loving president would do?

disa on December 2, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Oh right – I’ll answer my own question: he allowed the Seals to take out Bin Laden. And remember – that was a very gutsy call.

disa on December 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Nudge the little people out of their cars. Nudge them from suburbs and rural areas into the cities.

Agenda 21.

petefrt on December 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM

What is the practical reason for letting other-wise productive farm land sit fallow?

listens2glenn on December 1, 2012 at 11:07 PM

The costs of planting an acre of corn national average was $504 in 2012. That is from USDA.
They predict corn prices to be around $5.25 per bushel and a yield of 180 per acre. $945 per acre at harvest time sounds nice, $450 buck in your wallet!

The issue is that they are compiling that data on the high output farming methods that most farmers in the US use. Which means big fields, low down time, and quick machinery turn over.

Now, those fallow land plots that we see all over the US, (I too have seen them, but knew farmers to ask why they were fallow), they fall outside the USDA’s calculation range for several reasons.
1. Have drive the equipment several miles to be able to work the land. THe modern farm equipment does ALOT of stuff amazingly well, driving down the road in an expeditious manner, is not one of them.
So you lose time and add wear and tear to the equipment, when you are paying $2-$5k per tire you really want them to last. So that $504 number is toast
2. Many in my area have moisture issues, so those 180 bushel yields are fantasies. Too wet and you have issues, too dry, well we have all seen what happens there.
3. Run off issues, several farmers have been threatened by the agency we all love so much that if they did not eliminate the runoff, biological as well as chemical, they would be facing fines or prosecution. So no way to put herbicides, fertilizers (natural or chemical), nor would you want to plow these areas due to erosion. Cannot get those types of harvests without a lot of soil care.

Hopefully that helps you start to see how much of a cut throat businessman your local farmer has to be to keep his boat afloat.

Nathan_OH on December 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Nathan_OH on December 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

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Everything you’ve listed doesn’t justify “government subsidizing fallow farmland”.

One thing you did list above, would justify the abolition of “the agency we all love so much”.

Because of our inability to predict long term weather patterns, farmers have always (since Noah’s flood) been the biggest gamblers in the strictest sense of “capitalist venture”.
But the successful farmers did it without government subsidy.

listens2glenn on December 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Nudge the little people out of their cars. Nudge them from suburbs and rural areas into the cities.

Agenda 21.

petefrt on December 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM

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Agenda 21 is the brain-child of Maurice Strong.
It is not a “goal”, but rather is a “tool” to be used in achieving what is their goal; One World Government.

listens2glenn on December 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM

All according to plan:

Utilizing this fuel will ensure that older vehicles go belly up. Who drives them? Middle class and the poor, and they should all be using public transport.
The upper class can afford the new cars. The auto manufacturers get to sell, banks get to finance, insurance companies sell and don’t have to worry about liabilities of older, poorly maintained vehicles, which will be a ‘safety’ selling point.
When few people drive, fuel retailers will be hit hard. Electric vehicles become more attractive, and that limits driving and freedom.

Central planning wins again.

TinMan13 on December 2, 2012 at 11:50 AM

This blend was specifically formulated to destroy engines – Period. Have no doubt – Pharaohbama knows exactly what he’s doing. And, in completely unrelated NEWS: obama’s Government Motors will soon be offering a full line of sub-compact all-electric vehicles to replace all current combustion engine vehicles on the road.

Pork-Chop on December 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

An effort to completely destroy the United States suggests an enemy within. History will look back at this time and denote those responsible for treason. I’m just say’n.

onomo on December 2, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Agenda 21 is the brain-child of Maurice Strong.
It is not a “goal”, but rather is a “tool” to be used in achieving what is their goal; One World Government.

listens2glenn on December 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The last event on their 2012 calendar ends on Dec 21st. Coincidence?

NapaConservative on December 2, 2012 at 1:57 PM

We’ll just have to buy new cars when our old ones are ruined, which will be good for Government Motors.

Akzed on December 2, 2012 at 2:11 PM

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