Should Republicans put forth Simpson-Bowles for the fiscal cliff?
posted at 7:19 pm on November 30, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham
My friend Guy Benson and I were talking about this idea the other night, and I liked it when compared to all our other dismal options. It was also the same night we saw “Lincoln,” so I wondered if we were high on celluloid optimism about what’s possible in politics.
But Guy fleshed out the idea in this must-read post today, and I think he’s onto something. You should go over there to read the whole thing, but here’s the gist:
Of the commission’s 18 members, six Democrats and five Republicans endorsed the final document, while the seven ‘no’ votes split four-to-three along Left/Right ideological lines. Paul Ryan was the most prominent opponent of the plan. The eleven-member ‘yes’ camp was ideologically diverse, ranging from Sen. Tom Coburn on the right to Sen. Dick Durbin on the left. Like many conservatives, I continue to harbor significant concerns about various elements of the plan. I’m troubled by some of the tax provisions, especially the revenue cap at 21 percent of GDP (far higher than the historical average of 18 percent). The defense cuts are also worrisome, as is the fact that despite some cuts and tinkering, Medicare — the largest long-term driver of our debt — escapes a desperately needed overhaul. The framework also assumes the retention of Obamacare, which Paul Ryan has cited as a primary cause of his ‘no’ vote. But here is today’s reality: (1) Unhappy tax news is coming, one way or the other. The president is not budging. (2) The fall election guaranteed that Obamacare is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. (3) Sequestration’s defense cuts would be even more punishing and abrupt than Simpson/Bowles reductions. (4) Democrats have shown themselves to be totally unserious about any reforms or reductions to entitlements. In short, even if the major players manage to hammer out an eleventh-hour deal before January 1, it’s probably going to reek. It will have been negotiated in secret, and will almost certainly be jammed through in a rushed and unsavory fashion. This is no way to govern.
Simpson-Bowles, for all its faults, was conducted in an open and transparent manner and brought disparate political players into a room to forge a serious compromise. It overhauls and streamlines our byzantine tax code, takes some important first steps on entitlements, and reduces and caps federal spending. On substance, I’d wager that it would be considerably better than anything Obama and Boehner might produce after weeks of behind-closed-doors acrimony with the proverbial gun to their heads. Politically, it paints Democrats into a tough corner. Republicans could make a grand show of reluctantly supporting Simpson-Bowles for the betterment of the country. Ideally, the press conference would be led by Paul Ryan, who might explain why he voted against the plan as a commissioner, but is now willing to set aside some of his strong ideological preferences to move the nation forward. They would remind viewers that the proposal they’re now backing only exists because President Obama specifically and publicly asked for it. Plus, more Democrats than Republicans voted for it, including Harry Reid’s top lieutenant in the Senate. Put simply, Simpson-Bowles represents the very embodiment of bipartisan collaboration and problem solving — precisely the sort of thing “moderates,” the media, and the public are always demanding. It would be exceedingly difficult for Democrats to paint the plan as radical or draconian in light of the commission’s origins and participants. The GOP’s “party of no” problem would also be hugely diminished; after all, they would have just signed on to the president’s commission, with the previously recalcitrant Paul Ryan magnanimously leading the way. It would be fascinating to watch the president and his allies try to denounce and reject the very proposal he called for.
There are things I don’t like about Simpson-Bowles, though I’ve never been a hater. I think the country would have benefited if President Obama had ever shown enough leadership to address some of its recommendations, and said so on “The O’Reilly Factor” in January 2011. Despite its faults, it comes closer to reckoning with our real problems than Obama ever has. There are other plans I would like more than Simpson-Bowles. But here’s the thing. Simpson-Bowles is far more responsible than what President Obama is currently offering and probably far better than a slapped together grand bargain made by Obama and Speaker Boehner behind closed doors as a deadline closes in. It was created in a more transparent process, and though it certainly focuses more on revenues vs. spending than I’d like, it gives Republicans some of the trade-offs they’re hoping for in a deal with Obama— some simplification of the tax code, some entitlement reform, a cap on spending as a percentage of GDP.
It is also a fully formed plan with on-the-record bipartisan support and near-universal acceptance as “reasonable” and “sober” by the media and Beltway types. A lot of that is lip service from folks who felt rather certain the plan would never be seriously considered, but it still makes it hard to frame Republicans as obstinate obstructionists when they offer up the plan of none other than Mssrs. Simpson and Bowles. On the other hand, liberals hate it. Paul Krugman:
So, a public service reminder: Simpson-Bowles is terrible. It mucks around with taxes, but is obsessed with lowering marginal rates despite a complete absence of evidence that this is important. It offers nothing on Medicare that isn’t already in the Affordable Care Act. And it raises the Social Security retirement age because life expectancy has risen — completely ignoring the fact that life expectancy has only gone up for the well-off and well-educated, while stagnating or even declining among the people who need the program most.
Cue the Democratic infighting. The president has been avoiding this plan like the plague since his own commission finished it, but it is still his commission. Rejecting it out of hand to allow liberals to continue living in debt denial might be a move so irresponsible as to make even the press notice. Republicans would demonstrate they know the calculus in Washington has changed, but that doesn’t mean they must make a flagrantly irresponsible deal when a more responsible one is available.
This idea got a good reception in the Greenroom, when I half-expected it to get torched, which seems to me an indicator that all-important conservative constituents might not be as opposed to something like this as Republican leaders might think they are. But have at it in the comments, here. I’m anxious to see what y’all think.
In the end, it does seem a more philosophically palatable way to change the course of a very bad political situation. And, in the end, the part that’s really important— I think it’d genuinely be better for the country if something like Simpson-Bowles were to pass instead of us going over the cliff or adopting some terrible deal. Worth a thought.
Exit question (Allahpundit™): Who foretold this? Why, Ed Morrissey, of course.
And, read this great, comprehensive Allahpundit post for a flashback to reaction as Simpson-Bowles was first announced. Pelosi: “Unacceptable.”
Update: In addition to general concerns about the contents of Simpson-Bowles, I should add the very reasonable worry some have voiced in comments at the Greenroom, which is that if you make Simpson-Bowles your opening offer, it just turns into a worse Simpson-Bowles by the time a deal is final. Yep, worries me too. But I think Republicans would certainly be on much more solid negotiating ground touting this plan and saying they’ve done lots of compromising than where they stand now. Thoughts?
Update: Food for thought for the “let it burn” crowd, of which my id is intermittently a member. Howard Dean is, too, because it gives him everything he wants. Yikes.
Update: Please also read Randall Hoven, who did a good, detailed write-up of this idea earlier this week. I had not seen it until it was mentioned in comments, or I would have linked it above.
As it is, Obama can wash his hands of it, saying even the commission itself did not pass it. But if it passes, Obama must own it. If Republican congressmen Paul Ryan, Jeb Hensarling, and Dave Camp would switch their votes, it would be enough to pass that hot potato to the Democrats. They should say, “the people spoke on November 6″ and that they listened to the voice of the American people telling us all to work together, yadda yadda. Then let the Democrats own what comes after.
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We. Are. Screwed.
Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM
And B0ner is Pathetic
Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Boehner=Pelosi.
Blaise on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM
The Boehner Mutiny a’coming?
Resist We Much on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM
Lou Bartletta (Pa.) did a great job as the mayor of Hazeltoon fighting illegal immigration. He has sucked as a member of Congress.
bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM
No cajones anywhere except up Nanzi’s skirt
Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM
tom cole, OK. and to think some idiots on this thread thinks he’s something more than just a sellout.
renalin on January 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM
Time for a big scoreboard / matrix website, with all 535 turds on it. With a column for each issue / bill. Know at a glance who’s voting for or against anything. COlor-code the voting positions for conservatives, green for a ‘good’ vote, ‘red’ for the Reds.
Put the chieftains at teh top of each section, or group them by committees, so it’s useful on such levels without re-ordering the data.
Then just key it in for quick reference going forward. At a glance see which RINO is amenable and which is a worthless sellout piece of specter.
rayra on January 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM
Boehner is now leading a coalition of Democrats. Just freaking great! Can it get any worse? Yeah, probably can.
And why and how did this piece of horse manure just win re-election as Speaker?
JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM
Seriously
Big Commitee GOP Members
Big Commitee D Members
Medium Committee GOP Members
Medium Committee D Members
Small Committee GOP Members
Small Committee D Members
Or just do it by party but add two key fields to sort on, to quickly re-order the data.
rayra on January 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM
I’ve let the 2 reps in WA state
Jaime Herrera Beutler (Wash.)
Dave Reichert (Wash.)
that voted for the pork bill
know that I will do everything in my power financially to oust them in 2014. There not even in my district.
Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM
I wonder how many of these guys would also be on board for gun control? If Pelosi needs 18, and I assume she will lose some Democrats on such a bill, but how many?
sharrukin on January 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM
What a hoot. The dems are NEVER out of power. They ain’t brilliant our side is just chickenshit in so many ways.
arnold ziffel on January 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM
Well, we predicted it here. We knew we had a President willing to sell the country down the river because of left wing ideology, and now we have a Majority Leader willing to sell whatever values he had, and his party, and his country for no other reason than fecklessness.
If Boehner led Lincoln’s Union Army, we would have lost the war because some choices were too hard to make.
Starlink on January 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Frelinghuysen is my congress-critter but I doubt I can get a better deal in New Jersey, where Chris Christie passes for a conservative. I’m also somewhat surprised – he might be a backbencher but so far, he used to be as conservative as his purplish district allowed.
Archivarix on January 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Between Boehner and Roberts, it’s game over.
p0s3r on January 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM
No one else stepped up to do it.
kim roy on January 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM
?? Pelosi’s got balls.
sauldalinsky on January 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM
Agreed..This is a “bad” situation all around..Hang in there..:)
PS..Good to see you..:)
Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM
FIFY.
This guy’s an idiot, a useful idiot, in particular.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM
The GOP members from Pennsylvania may find gun control a bridge too far. PA is a heavy 2nd amendment state particularly in the “T” section of Central PA and the northern tier. There are also a lot of Dems out in Western PA that are deer hunters and support the NRA. The ones from southeastern PA are potentially more vulnerable, but even then… this is not an issue they want to be on the wrong side of. The NRA’s backing for incumbents is very helpful for pro-gun right pols holding seats in tough districts.
Jill1066 on January 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM
Yep. I contributed money to him during that fight. He’s a real disappointment, now.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM
.
Between the RINO’s, CINO’s and the gutless – you have a majority of House Republicans who will be given air cover by the Big Business “Republicans” (also known as Cronies) to keep “kicking the can down the road” so there is no disruption to THEIR EARNINGS this quarter.
The new motto of the GOP1 Republican Party,
RUN AWAY !!!
PolAgnostic on January 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM
I hope so, but I recall similar optimism regarding the pro-life Democrats on Obamacare.
sharrukin on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM
Embarrassingly the current GOP doesn’t have the soldiers to win the tough battles so they are resigned to take the lazy way out and fight when the cards are stacked in their favor. Obama plays hard politics and our boys are lead by the crying wimp.
I have never been so embarrassed to be a republican as they stand for nothing.
Bensonofben on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM
nuff said
cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM
Hannity is having Rove on tonight to put us all on the straight an narrow. Gawd, why do people still support FNC?
Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM
…so there is that picture of Boner again…where his lips are presses together as if he might lose the pube that’s there!
KOOLAID2 on January 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM
No she doesn’t.
B’ner’s got a vayjayjay
burrata on January 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM
Can the Republicans not force Boehner off the bench? If he’s going to sell out the only power the GOP has it makes little sense to leave him in that position.
Skywise on January 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM
Time for a change?
POLL: 63% OF GOP VOTERS THINK CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS OUT OF TOUCH WITH BASE
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/16/Poll-63-of-GOP-Voters-Think-Republicans-in-Congress-Out-of-Touch
idesign on January 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM
What a sad commentary.
No one stepped up to fight for our freedom. No one stepped up to defend our constitution. Our rights. Our liberty. No one to stand against the corruption of the Democrats.
We watch our nation slip away because no one stepped up.
One day people somewhere will look back and say.. this was the time it was all lost. Because no one stepped up.
JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM
well, this republican majority was nice while it lasted.
sesquipedalian on January 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM
yeah, they’re going to have leverage once the debt ceiling comes around
psych
cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM
Good God.
Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM
The sequestration vote at the end of March is the GOP’s best play..imho..:)
PS..Good to see you..:)
Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM
Why didn’t they just vote for it all in the beginning and avoid all the faux “hysterics”. Boehner wants to vote yes on Obama’s agenda anyway, they might as well just accelerate this country over the cliff already.
TulsAmerican on January 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM
I hate Nanzi Pelosi with all my soul, but dammit she knew how to run the House with a majority.
SouthernGent on January 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM
Oh, those were tough votes? Two of the most cowardly votes in the history of government.
Buddahpundit on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM
Let’s just say it … Boehner is a member of the Pelosi caucus.
HondaV65 on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM
Is there anything people can do to force Boehner to resign? to screw up his coalition of Democrats?
I know he just won re-election.
We need to force the GOP to make Boehner and Cantor resign. Draft somebody.
all the freaking TEA party people in this country and what good are we?
We’ve got a Republican Speaker of the House effectively leading and working with Democrats.
Is there nothing people could do?
JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM
No let’s just say that YOU are a (should I say proud) a member of the Pelosi caucus..:)
Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Sixteen of the twenty-nine are from Pennsylvania (6), New Jersey (5), and New York (5). NJ and NY are to be expected, I suppose, but PA can do better.
What probably bugs me more is the inclusion of any House members from Kentucky and Oklahoma…
Ace ODale on January 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Insurrection on the capital steps?
Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Federalism people, its the only answer.
http://www.redstate.com/users/derkrieger/
Charlemagne on January 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM
…you’re boring lately!…you ok?
KOOLAID2 on January 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Skywise: “Can the Republicans not force Boehner off the bench? If he’s going to sell out the only power the GOP has it makes little sense to leave him in that position”.
I think the # 29 is misleading. The real # is all the republicrats that voted for either the Fiscal noCliff or the Sandy Pork. & that’s why Boehner represents them. They’re all liberals pretending to be something else. I mean, do you really trust Paul Ryan who voted for the noCliff? Or Eric Cantor voting for Pork? They probably huddled in the back room, & picked straws who would vote for what. That’s about how much integrity the members of Congress have. All they have to do is promise Boehner some free drinks at the local bar, & he’ll vote either way.
Sorry to be so harsh, I’m at wits’ end.
Belle on January 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM
Where’s crosspatch or one of his ilk to complain about how we “TruCons” or “CINOs” are just too stupid to understand the brilliant strategy that Boehner crowd are using?
topdawg on January 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Boehner is exercising power, not abdicating it.
Boehner is showing those who challenged him that he still holds the cards.
There is no “Hastert Rule” in the Senate. It’s a convention, that the Speaker is free to follow or not follow.
Boehner wanted this legislation passed, so he brought it to the floor and let it be passed Hastert rule be damned.
The Tea Party Tough Guys couldn’t do a thing about it, although they did get their “no” votes to protect them in their districts, which is all they really care about, anyway.
One can easily object to this approach, but let’s not mistake what’s going on here.
Mr. Arkadin on January 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM
Your math is waaaaaaaaaay off.
Resist We Much on January 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM
Crooks.
Dr. ZhivBlago on January 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM
These chuckleheads better get their act together. And soon.
scalleywag on January 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM
At least we know what Nanzi Pelosi meant when she said
A) that the democrats would regain the House
and
B) that she’d have the gavel
SouthernGent on January 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Hannity really drinks that Rove koolaid. You know Rove Clintons PR man.
Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 8:49 PM
I stopped watching FNC over a year ago and am much happier.
bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Are you stupid or something??..:)
PS..What movie did that quote come from??..:)
Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Bmore on January 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM
Butler is my Congress person. I campaigned for her. What a disappointment . I wrote her tonight. What’s worse, she’s in a safe district. I heard J.B. got to her. Trying to become a career politician. Not if I can help it.
Whiterock on January 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM
Beutler , darn iPad trying to auto correct on me.
Whiterock on January 16, 2013 at 9:43 PM
Okay, I’m going to try to get you all to understand this one last time……Listen up! Quit thinking in terms of Republican and Democrat. That is not the name of the game any longer.
Begin to think of these idiots as “PROGRESSIVES”, PERIOD. Once you comprehend that fact all these votes make more sense. Progressives come in both flavors and Boehner is at the head of the pack. Last year he goes golfing with Obama and magically he gives hime everything he wanted and then some, goes on T.V. and crys like he just had his arm twisted and had to go along. It was all for show. He wanted just what Obama wanted and that’s exactly what they accomplished. The voters be damned! Here it is a year later and we get an instant replay. Only this time, instead of the golf course, they meet behind closed doors and, once again, Boehner wants everybody to believe that he had no choice but to cave. It’s all a lie. He never intended to vote against Obama because he’s just as much a Progressive as Obama, Pelosi, Reid and all the rest of them. He’s just in the closet about it and hopes the voters don’t figure out the game he’s playing. If you make up a score card for these yahoos, watch how they vote and you’ll be able to identify the Progressives. They don’t care about saving the country and their voting records prove it. What do we do about it? I don’t have a clue unless we turn them all out of office at one time and try again. March on Washington anyone????
MONACO1121 on January 16, 2013 at 10:19 PM
Dick Morris sorry Rove.
Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM
Someone told Boehner that 4 aces is the worst possible hand, and he believed them – or, at least he said he did. Then, he started blubbering.
Is 0dumba a malignant narcissist? :)
Anti-Control on January 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
MONACO1121 : Well said! Are you interested in a political career? There needs to emerge a leader to a 3rd party that will take an oath to uphold our Constitution & support “borders, language, culture”. Ronald Reagan: “A Nation without borders is not a nation”.
Belle on January 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM
How can you call yourself the majority leader when you can’t lead the majority?
bofh on January 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Well, at least we got the bi-partisan thingy right. It’s a good first step.
Kissmygrits on January 17, 2013 at 9:01 AM
Hey Belle,
Perhaps we should pay special attention to Cruz from Texas. He doesn’t seem to mind saying NO and meaning it. And he does it consistantly. Keep an eye on him. So far ao good~
MONACO1121 on January 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM
testing..:)
Dire Straits on January 17, 2013 at 5:23 PM