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		<title>By: Interior Department destroys 100-year old small business&#160;&#124;&#160;Conservatives for America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interior Department destroys 100-year old small business&#160;&#124;&#160;Conservatives for America</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] PhineasBecause, y&#8217;know, we must all sacrifice for Gaia (1). Mary Katherine Ham summarizes at Hot Air:It’s just a 100-year-old company and California’s only surviving cannery, a sustainable, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Feds Shut Down 100-Year-Old Small Business &#124; Fred Thompson&#039;s America &#8211; Official HQ of Fred Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feds Shut Down 100-Year-Old Small Business &#124; Fred Thompson&#039;s America &#8211; Official HQ of Fred Thompson</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Things Not Otherwise Noted: November Edition –</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things Not Otherwise Noted: November Edition –</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Joan of Argghh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan of Argghh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember Michelle Malkin&#039;s video of &lt;a href=&quot;http://primordialslack.com/?p=1465&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the family in Venezuela being evicted from their farm?&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Michelle Malkin&#8217;s video of <a href="http://primordialslack.com/?p=1465" rel="nofollow">the family in Venezuela being evicted from their farm?</a></p>
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		<title>By: georgeofthedesert</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgeofthedesert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously the Lunnys didn&#039;t learn anything from Native American Treaties signed by the U. S. government in the past.  It matters not as long as the current bunch of creatin&#039;s satisfy their supporters of whatever ilk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the Lunnys didn&#8217;t learn anything from Native American Treaties signed by the U. S. government in the past.  It matters not as long as the current bunch of creatin&#8217;s satisfy their supporters of whatever ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: November 30, 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>November 30, 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: listens2glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>listens2glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Axe&lt;/strong&gt; on November 30, 2012 at 5:27 PM &lt;/blockquote&gt;
.
. . . . . Congress stymies itself most of the time. That’s awesome. That’s what I’m talkin’ about. The way government should be.

The problem of big government is accelerated most effectively by executive agencies . . . . . . . . . . . 

. . . . . Eliminate the agencies, make Congress decide everything, and you won’t get very many decisions. Hallelujah!

&lt;strong&gt;J.E. Dyer&lt;/strong&gt; on December 1, 2012 at 12:29 AM &lt;/blockquote&gt;
.
DITTOS ! ... &lt;strong&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt; )
.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The more Government does for us, the exponentially more they do TO us.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><strong>Axe</strong> on November 30, 2012 at 5:27 PM </p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
. . . . . Congress stymies itself most of the time. That’s awesome. That’s what I’m talkin’ about. The way government should be.</p>
<p>The problem of big government is accelerated most effectively by executive agencies . . . . . . . . . . . </p>
<p>. . . . . Eliminate the agencies, make Congress decide everything, and you won’t get very many decisions. Hallelujah!</p>
<p><strong>J.E. Dyer</strong> on December 1, 2012 at 12:29 AM </p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
DITTOS ! &#8230; <strong>:</strong> )<br />
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;The more Government does for us, the exponentially more they do TO us.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: gdonovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdonovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 13:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;And with respect to owning your land, you rent your land from the state.
Bcs if you pay don’t pay your land taxes, they will confiscate your property from you.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That was a bitter pill to accept after paying off my house but true.

Don&#039;t pay your rent (taxes) and they will take the land you spent decades working to obtain.

Doesn&#039;t seem right does it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And with respect to owning your land, you rent your land from the state.<br />
Bcs if you pay don’t pay your land taxes, they will confiscate your property from you.
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<p>That was a bitter pill to accept after paying off my house but true.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t pay your rent (taxes) and they will take the land you spent decades working to obtain.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t seem right does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Good. And. Hard &#187; Cold Fury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good. And. Hard &#187; Cold Fury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] fucked up. You trusted us. Hey, no bigs. It’s just a 100-year-old company and California’s only surviving cannery, a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Badger40</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badger40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t matter if you own your land or not. The Feds come after you if your land is in a place that someone deems sensitive in any way.
If your land is part of anything that could be construed as pretty or nice, or perhaps you have an endangered snail crawl &amp; $hit it&#039;s way across your property once, the Feds will take interest if it&#039;s called to their attention.
I&#039;ve known fellow ranchers to strike up cooperative relationships on purpose with federal agencies, somehow hoping this will endear them to the Feds when the piper comes for payment.
I&#039;ve read extensively about these conservation easements and such.
Nature Conservancy agreements etc.
I find it all dangerous.
And with respect to owning your land, you rent your land from the state.
Bcs if you pay don&#039;t pay your land taxes, they will confiscate your property from you.
So none of us own our land at all. It is like we are in Khasakstan (sp?) now. There, the people do not own their land. They basically, from what I am to understand, lease it from the govt.
We are no different here.
As ranchers, most of us in this profession are good stewards of the land. I will go so far to say that the worst stewards of the land I have seen are farmers.
At least around here. There are a lot of good farmers, don&#039;t mistake me.
But the Federal crop insurance programs &amp; farm payment scams of all stripes have encourage the abuse of the land in a lot of ways.
Our pasture land has a lot of native prairie. It is great for raising cattle.
I know a lot of farmers that are plowing under what little remaining prairie is left in order to establish a crop history so that they can enroll it in crop insurance plans in the future.
Environmentalists aren&#039;t going after these people. They also don&#039;t seem to care about the absent landowners who let their cattle starve to death.
This is the fight we fight all the time.
I can see the feds coming after those of us who live on the Cannonball river. But so far, it&#039;s not pretty enough to come after us yet for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if you own your land or not. The Feds come after you if your land is in a place that someone deems sensitive in any way.<br />
If your land is part of anything that could be construed as pretty or nice, or perhaps you have an endangered snail crawl &amp; $hit it&#8217;s way across your property once, the Feds will take interest if it&#8217;s called to their attention.<br />
I&#8217;ve known fellow ranchers to strike up cooperative relationships on purpose with federal agencies, somehow hoping this will endear them to the Feds when the piper comes for payment.<br />
I&#8217;ve read extensively about these conservation easements and such.<br />
Nature Conservancy agreements etc.<br />
I find it all dangerous.<br />
And with respect to owning your land, you rent your land from the state.<br />
Bcs if you pay don&#8217;t pay your land taxes, they will confiscate your property from you.<br />
So none of us own our land at all. It is like we are in Khasakstan (sp?) now. There, the people do not own their land. They basically, from what I am to understand, lease it from the govt.<br />
We are no different here.<br />
As ranchers, most of us in this profession are good stewards of the land. I will go so far to say that the worst stewards of the land I have seen are farmers.<br />
At least around here. There are a lot of good farmers, don&#8217;t mistake me.<br />
But the Federal crop insurance programs &amp; farm payment scams of all stripes have encourage the abuse of the land in a lot of ways.<br />
Our pasture land has a lot of native prairie. It is great for raising cattle.<br />
I know a lot of farmers that are plowing under what little remaining prairie is left in order to establish a crop history so that they can enroll it in crop insurance plans in the future.<br />
Environmentalists aren&#8217;t going after these people. They also don&#8217;t seem to care about the absent landowners who let their cattle starve to death.<br />
This is the fight we fight all the time.<br />
I can see the feds coming after those of us who live on the Cannonball river. But so far, it&#8217;s not pretty enough to come after us yet for.</p>
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		<title>By: gdonovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdonovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You warn people, and they don’t listen. They insist on voting for leftists (and feel righteous about it), then, predictably, get hurt. It’s a perfectly understandable lack of sympathy, plus hoping now they might get a clue.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you for posting what I could not articulate clearly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You warn people, and they don’t listen. They insist on voting for leftists (and feel righteous about it), then, predictably, get hurt. It’s a perfectly understandable lack of sympathy, plus hoping now they might get a clue.</p>
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<p>Thank you for posting what I could not articulate clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Reads for Friday, November 30, 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morning Reads for Friday, November 30, 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] There: - Snap Crackle Pop. Is Susan Rice crispy yet? - No recovery until 2025? - Shell games. - Hands off my Cheetos! - VP Biden at Costco. At least he kept his shirt on. - Let them eat cake. Or poi. Or something. - Syria shuts down the internet. Not good. - US birth rate falls to a record low. - “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There: &#8211; Snap Crackle Pop. Is Susan Rice crispy yet? &#8211; No recovery until 2025? &#8211; Shell games. &#8211; Hands off my Cheetos! &#8211; VP Biden at Costco. At least he kept his shirt on. &#8211; Let them eat cake. Or poi. Or something. &#8211; Syria shuts down the internet. Not good. &#8211; US birth rate falls to a record low. &#8211; “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 05:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;

And when they burn their fingers, do you stand by and laugh, let the burn get infected and continue to mock them when the doctor eventually amputates their hand?

I think these people have learned a life’s lesson. I guess you are finished learning all of yours.

JellyToast on November 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nobody is laughing, and nobody is, as another person posted, mocking.  In fact, it&#039;s rather grim.

You warn people, and they don&#039;t listen.  They insist on voting for leftists (and feel righteous about it), then, predictably, get hurt.  It&#039;s a perfectly understandable lack of sympathy, plus hoping now they might get a clue.

Not mocking, and not laughing at.  And I defy anyone to find any laughing or mocking (up to the point I&#039;ve read thus far, which is up to your post).]]></description>
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<p>And when they burn their fingers, do you stand by and laugh, let the burn get infected and continue to mock them when the doctor eventually amputates their hand?</p>
<p>I think these people have learned a life’s lesson. I guess you are finished learning all of yours.</p>
<p>JellyToast on November 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM
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<p>Nobody is laughing, and nobody is, as another person posted, mocking.  In fact, it&#8217;s rather grim.</p>
<p>You warn people, and they don&#8217;t listen.  They insist on voting for leftists (and feel righteous about it), then, predictably, get hurt.  It&#8217;s a perfectly understandable lack of sympathy, plus hoping now they might get a clue.</p>
<p>Not mocking, and not laughing at.  And I defy anyone to find any laughing or mocking (up to the point I&#8217;ve read thus far, which is up to your post).</p>
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		<title>By: J.E. Dyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.E. Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 05:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Axe on November 30, 2012 at 5:27 PM &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But Axe!  But Axe!  Pelosi can&#039;t do jack.  She&#039;s in the minority.  She can talk a moronic game, but she can&#039;t get anything done.

Congress stymies itself most of the time.  That&#039;s awesome.  That&#039;s what I&#039;m talkin&#039; about.  The way government should be.

The problem of big government is accelerated most effectively by executive agencies.  If you want to locate the basic systemic sources of our government problems today, that is one of the two biggest.  The other is the corrupted view of the role of the Supreme Court, in the dynamic of the people and their representatives interacting with the Constitution.

Eliminate the agencies, make Congress decide everything, and you won&#039;t get very many decisions.  Hallelujah!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Axe on November 30, 2012 at 5:27 PM </p></blockquote>
<p>But Axe!  But Axe!  Pelosi can&#8217;t do jack.  She&#8217;s in the minority.  She can talk a moronic game, but she can&#8217;t get anything done.</p>
<p>Congress stymies itself most of the time.  That&#8217;s awesome.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talkin&#8217; about.  The way government should be.</p>
<p>The problem of big government is accelerated most effectively by executive agencies.  If you want to locate the basic systemic sources of our government problems today, that is one of the two biggest.  The other is the corrupted view of the role of the Supreme Court, in the dynamic of the people and their representatives interacting with the Constitution.</p>
<p>Eliminate the agencies, make Congress decide everything, and you won&#8217;t get very many decisions.  Hallelujah!</p>
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		<title>By: listens2glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>listens2glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Never, ever, ever, trust the government to renew something “in perpetuity”.
 
&lt;strong&gt;AZfederalist&lt;/strong&gt; on November 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
.
Except tax increases.

&lt;strong&gt;labrat&lt;/strong&gt; on November 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
.
&lt;em&gt; &quot;Rim-shot.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Never, ever, ever, trust the government to renew something “in perpetuity”.</p>
<p><strong>AZfederalist</strong> on November 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
Except tax increases.</p>
<p><strong>labrat</strong> on November 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
<em> &#8220;Rim-shot.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>By: Axe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Chief of Interpretation and Resource Education John Dell’Osso has been with the NPS for 25 years, so he’s seen a few things. He’s watched the situation with Drakes Bay Oysters develop, and he’s the first person to say the episode hasn’t been the agency’s finest hour. “Our job is to protect our resources and follow the law. We don’t typically get involved in defending ourselves,” says Dell’Osso. “But he [Lunny] put us on the defensive by going after our scientists. And this had a snowball effect over the last two years.”

Dell’Osso continues, “Kevin did a good job cleaning up the oyster farm, and we were happy he bought the place. But there’s an agreement he’s known about and we can’t change it. There is no mechanism for us to continue it.”

In the end, given hindsight of 20-20, taking on the Feds may have been a bad business decision for Lunny. “The Park Service added new permit provisions that would cripple the business and began to make allegations of serious environmental harm caused by the oyster farm. We had to find out what could be done and we had to hire consultants and lawyers,” he says a little wistfully.

It’s hard to tell a rancher to back off since, by nature, they seem drawn to doing things the hard way. But Lunny and his brothers have invested more than $1 million into the oyster operation, and if it closes in 2012 as scheduled, there’s going to be a tsunami of red ink to clean up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Chief of Interpretation and Resource Education John Dell’Osso has been with the NPS for 25 years, so he’s seen a few things. He’s watched the situation with Drakes Bay Oysters develop, and he’s the first person to say the episode hasn’t been the agency’s finest hour. “Our job is to protect our resources and follow the law. We don’t typically get involved in defending ourselves,” says Dell’Osso. “But he [Lunny] put us on the defensive by going after our scientists. And this had a snowball effect over the last two years.”</p>
<p>Dell’Osso continues, “Kevin did a good job cleaning up the oyster farm, and we were happy he bought the place. But there’s an agreement he’s known about and we can’t change it. There is no mechanism for us to continue it.”</p>
<p>In the end, given hindsight of 20-20, taking on the Feds may have been a bad business decision for Lunny. “The Park Service added new permit provisions that would cripple the business and began to make allegations of serious environmental harm caused by the oyster farm. We had to find out what could be done and we had to hire consultants and lawyers,” he says a little wistfully.</p>
<p>It’s hard to tell a rancher to back off since, by nature, they seem drawn to doing things the hard way. But Lunny and his brothers have invested more than $1 million into the oyster operation, and if it closes in 2012 as scheduled, there’s going to be a tsunami of red ink to clean up.
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		<title>By: Axe</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/29/video-feds-shut-down-100-year-old-oyster-company-destroys-some-lives-and-dreams/comment-page-4/#comment-6541541</link>
		<dc:creator>Axe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Something Smells Fishy

rukiddingme on November 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

More than that. :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;He continues, “The next day, Don calls me back and says, ‘Was I dreaming? Did you ask about buying Johnson’s?’ Then he says he thinks having us buy it is a great idea. He says there are some permit issues but they can help us with those.”
There were three different permits that had to be obtained. According to Lunny, the first two were simple and caused no problems; the last contained a new clause that contradicted language in the ROU and specifically stated the Lunnys agreed to be out by 2012. “I asked Don, ‘Why would we sign that? The ROU agreement already states the deadline, but why would we want to tie our hands like that?’” Lunny asks. “This wasn’t what Don wanted to hear, and that was where the tension began.”
The debate heats up

Dressed in jeans and a short-sleeve print shirt, Lunny looks like a gentleman farmer. His face is shaded with sandpaper-like stubble, and his left eye is set in a perpetual squint. We’re seated at a folding table adjacent to a gent playing banjo and serenading shoppers with an old Steve Martin song, besieging listeners to put a live chicken in their underwear.

Lunny raises his voice. “We had a business plan so we could break even; make a little money if we left in 2012. But we also found out it was possible for the Park Service to extend the deadline.”
Lunny is referring to a continuation clause within the ROU that states: “Upon expiration of the reserved term, a special use permit may be issued for the continued occupancy of the property for the herein described purposes, provided however, that such permit will run concurrently with and will terminate upon the expiration of state water bottom allotments assigned to the Vendor.” (According to Lunny, the California Department of Fish and Game shellfish lease—aka the state water bottom allotment—expires in 2029.)

In the meantime, the Lunnys invested $300,000 in capital improvements and, soon, the oyster farm was humming along. The family had no problems selling its shellfish and business was good, which meant it was due for some bad news. The last permit required by the NPS was slow in coming. By 2007, it still wasn’t in place, and relations between the Lunnys and the Park Service deteriorated.

Lunny decided to ask Marin Supervisor Steve Kinsey for help. Kinsey met with Neubacher and, after their conversation, asked Neubacher to appear before the full Board of Supervisors to explain alleged environmental problems posed by the farm’s operation, including NPS claims that it disrupts native seal populations and that the boats damage native eelgrass beds. During the meeting, Neubacher gave the Supes some inaccurate information based on questionable science.

“They started a campaign to discredit the farm,” charges Lunny. The issue came to a head when the Lunny family wrote the United States Department of the Interior alleging National Park Service officials of “scientific misconduct and disparate treatment,” according to an official report from the Office of the Inspector General, the investigative arm of the NPS.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Something Smells Fishy</p>
<p>rukiddingme on November 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>More than that. :)</p>
<blockquote><p>He continues, “The next day, Don calls me back and says, ‘Was I dreaming? Did you ask about buying Johnson’s?’ Then he says he thinks having us buy it is a great idea. He says there are some permit issues but they can help us with those.”<br />
There were three different permits that had to be obtained. According to Lunny, the first two were simple and caused no problems; the last contained a new clause that contradicted language in the ROU and specifically stated the Lunnys agreed to be out by 2012. “I asked Don, ‘Why would we sign that? The ROU agreement already states the deadline, but why would we want to tie our hands like that?’” Lunny asks. “This wasn’t what Don wanted to hear, and that was where the tension began.”<br />
The debate heats up</p>
<p>Dressed in jeans and a short-sleeve print shirt, Lunny looks like a gentleman farmer. His face is shaded with sandpaper-like stubble, and his left eye is set in a perpetual squint. We’re seated at a folding table adjacent to a gent playing banjo and serenading shoppers with an old Steve Martin song, besieging listeners to put a live chicken in their underwear.</p>
<p>Lunny raises his voice. “We had a business plan so we could break even; make a little money if we left in 2012. But we also found out it was possible for the Park Service to extend the deadline.”<br />
Lunny is referring to a continuation clause within the ROU that states: “Upon expiration of the reserved term, a special use permit may be issued for the continued occupancy of the property for the herein described purposes, provided however, that such permit will run concurrently with and will terminate upon the expiration of state water bottom allotments assigned to the Vendor.” (According to Lunny, the California Department of Fish and Game shellfish lease—aka the state water bottom allotment—expires in 2029.)</p>
<p>In the meantime, the Lunnys invested $300,000 in capital improvements and, soon, the oyster farm was humming along. The family had no problems selling its shellfish and business was good, which meant it was due for some bad news. The last permit required by the NPS was slow in coming. By 2007, it still wasn’t in place, and relations between the Lunnys and the Park Service deteriorated.</p>
<p>Lunny decided to ask Marin Supervisor Steve Kinsey for help. Kinsey met with Neubacher and, after their conversation, asked Neubacher to appear before the full Board of Supervisors to explain alleged environmental problems posed by the farm’s operation, including NPS claims that it disrupts native seal populations and that the boats damage native eelgrass beds. During the meeting, Neubacher gave the Supes some inaccurate information based on questionable science.</p>
<p>“They started a campaign to discredit the farm,” charges Lunny. The issue came to a head when the Lunny family wrote the United States Department of the Interior alleging National Park Service officials of “scientific misconduct and disparate treatment,” according to an official report from the Office of the Inspector General, the investigative arm of the NPS.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: rukiddingme</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/29/video-feds-shut-down-100-year-old-oyster-company-destroys-some-lives-and-dreams/comment-page-4/#comment-6541525</link>
		<dc:creator>rukiddingme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;When the Lunny family purchased the company in 2005, it inherited a “reservation of use” (ROU) with the National Park Service. The ROU specifies that the farm and cannery can only operate until the end of 2012—and then it’s out of business.
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.northbaybiz.com/General_Articles/General_Articles/Something_Smells_Fishy.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Something Smells Fishy&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>When the Lunny family purchased the company in 2005, it inherited a “reservation of use” (ROU) with the National Park Service. The ROU specifies that the farm and cannery can only operate until the end of 2012—and then it’s out of business.<br />
</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.northbaybiz.com/General_Articles/General_Articles/Something_Smells_Fishy.php" rel="nofollow">Something Smells Fishy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane &#187; Ken Salazar&#8217;s war on Drakes Bay Oyster Company, Science.</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/29/video-feds-shut-down-100-year-old-oyster-company-destroys-some-lives-and-dreams/comment-page-4/#comment-6541458</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Lane &#187; Ken Salazar&#8217;s war on Drakes Bay Oyster Company, Science.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Executive summary: a bunch of people in Marin County, California made a serious mistake, forty years ago. To wit, they trusted the federal government to honor an agreement by which the Drakes Bay Oyster Company transferred ownership of their land (in order to protect the wetlands from development) in exchange for 40 year leases on that land in perpetuity. Several years ago, the folks who later bought Drakes Bay discovered that Interior Secretary Ken Salazar didn&#8217;t particularly care about that: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Executive summary: a bunch of people in Marin County, California made a serious mistake, forty years ago. To wit, they trusted the federal government to honor an agreement by which the Drakes Bay Oyster Company transferred ownership of their land (in order to protect the wetlands from development) in exchange for 40 year leases on that land in perpetuity. Several years ago, the folks who later bought Drakes Bay discovered that Interior Secretary Ken Salazar didn&#8217;t particularly care about that: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dongemaharu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dongemaharu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just want to thank many of the other commenters for posting more details about this case that MKH didn&#039;t post. Gives a much deeper and less hysterical view of the situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to thank many of the other commenters for posting more details about this case that MKH didn&#8217;t post. Gives a much deeper and less hysterical view of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Axe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You are stuck on one detail that doesn’t have anything to do with the agenda.

plutorocks on November 30, 2012 at 5:28 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dante is an anarchist. In case anyone doesn&#039;t know or get that. And he&#039;ll never stop arguing for removal of the structure, in one way or another. So MK puts this post up as an example of government corruption, which should, I agree, piss off every conservative on earth; but for Dante, it&#039;s an example of the corruption that is government.

There&#039;s no &quot;winning&quot; the argument with Dante without capitulating to Dante&#039;s overall terms, because he&#039;ll never capitulate to anyone else&#039;s.

Just FYI. For the worn-out or flummoxed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You are stuck on one detail that doesn’t have anything to do with the agenda.</p>
<p>plutorocks on November 30, 2012 at 5:28 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Dante is an anarchist. In case anyone doesn&#8217;t know or get that. And he&#8217;ll never stop arguing for removal of the structure, in one way or another. So MK puts this post up as an example of government corruption, which should, I agree, piss off every conservative on earth; but for Dante, it&#8217;s an example of the corruption that is government.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;winning&#8221; the argument with Dante without capitulating to Dante&#8217;s overall terms, because he&#8217;ll never capitulate to anyone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Just FYI. For the worn-out or flummoxed.</p>
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		<title>By: labrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>labrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Never, ever, ever, trust the government to renew something “in perpetuity”.

AZfederalist on November 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except tax increases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Never, ever, ever, trust the government to renew something “in perpetuity”.</p>
<p>AZfederalist on November 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM </p></blockquote>
<p>Except tax increases.</p>
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		<title>By: plutorocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>plutorocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Owning the land has nothing to do with it. 

plutorocks on November 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM
 
Ownership has everything to do with it.

Dante on November 30, 2012 at 4:35 PM &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can&#039;t see the forest for all the trees.

You are stuck on one detail that doesn&#039;t have anything to do with the agenda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Owning the land has nothing to do with it. </p>
<p>plutorocks on November 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM</p>
<p>Ownership has everything to do with it.</p>
<p>Dante on November 30, 2012 at 4:35 PM </p></blockquote>
<p>Can&#8217;t see the forest for all the trees.</p>
<p>You are stuck on one detail that doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with the agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: listens2glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>listens2glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Screw them . . . . . 
. . . . . I won’t shed a tear for these idiots.

&lt;strong&gt;ThePrimordialOrderedPair&lt;/strong&gt; on November 29, 2012 at 9:31 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

.
Screw you.

Mary Katharine Ham on November 29, 2012 at 9:40 PM
.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow! And I thought you were pretty.

&lt;strong&gt;Bulletchaser&lt;/strong&gt; on November 30, 2012 at 12:15 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
.
They’re not mutually exclusive.

&lt;strong&gt;Mary Katharine Ham&lt;/strong&gt; on November 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM &lt;/blockquote&gt;
.
.
Don&#039;t ever stop being &lt;em&gt;yourself&lt;/em&gt;. .  &lt;strong&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt; )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Screw them . . . . .<br />
. . . . . I won’t shed a tear for these idiots.</p>
<p><strong>ThePrimordialOrderedPair</strong> on November 29, 2012 at 9:31 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
Screw you.</p>
<p>Mary Katharine Ham on November 29, 2012 at 9:40 PM<br />
.</p>
<blockquote><p>Wow! And I thought you were pretty.</p>
<p><strong>Bulletchaser</strong> on November 30, 2012 at 12:15 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
They’re not mutually exclusive.</p>
<p><strong>Mary Katharine Ham</strong> on November 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM </p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
.<br />
Don&#8217;t ever stop being <em>yourself</em>. .  <strong>:</strong> )</p>
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		<title>By: Axe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Congress must make every decision.

J.E. Dyer on November 30, 2012 at 3:03 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/30/pelosi-of-course-i-support-giving-obama-unilateral-control-to-hike-the-debt-ceiling/

:(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Congress must make every decision.</p>
<p>J.E. Dyer on November 30, 2012 at 3:03 PM</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/30/pelosi-of-course-i-support-giving-obama-unilateral-control-to-hike-the-debt-ceiling/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/30/pelosi-of-course-i-support-giving-obama-unilateral-control-to-hike-the-debt-ceiling/</a></p>
<p>:(</p>
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