Second look at tax hikes on everyone?

posted at 7:41 pm on November 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

Lottttt of support in the comments to the last thread for the “let it burn” option. Here’s a variation on it from Jim Geraghty that I kinda like, just because it would force the public in the starkest way to face the consequences of a metastasizing entitlement state:

At this moment, Republicans in Congress need to examine which presents a more dire threat to the country:

A) A double-dip recession driven by the sequester and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, or

B) the public’s belief (verified through polling) that our giant debt, our ticking time bomb of entitlements, and our gargantuan government can be solved by “asking the richest Americans to pay a little bit more,” as Obama insists.

Option A is terrible, but Option B is the giant locked door blocking all of the real solutions.

So if we must have tax hikes, let the tax cuts for every income level expire and let everyone of every income level pay higher taxes. Destroy the illusion among so many voters that they can get all the government they want without paying more in taxes.

You want to continue putting off reforms to Medicare and Social Security while making only token cuts to the rest of the budget? No problem. But if we can’t have fiscal responsibility on the front end, by cutting spending, then we’ll have some measure of it on the back end by squeezing a ton of new revenue from the middle class. Everyone in government understands that the rich can’t pay for all of this; if you want to keep the popping-and-wheezing Great Society machine duct-taped together for a few years longer, you’ll need to start soaking average Americans. Democrats would prefer a VAT because it can disguise future tax hikes better, but one way or another Joe Sixpack has to start meeting his obligations. The GOP can make it happen on January 1 simply by walking away.

This isn’t a true “let it burn” plan. “Let it burn” calls for giving Obama whatever he wants so that he can’t blame Republicans for anything that happens later. That would mean hiking taxes on the rich and no one else because O’s not — yet — at the point of informing the middle class that they’ll have to pay more to enact his agenda. By contrast, if the GOP followed the Geraghty plan and let tax hikes on the middle class take effect, O would merrily blame them for it while privately rejoicing that the Overton window had been moved back towards higher rates on working-class Americans. Likely end result: The GOP would be brutalized in the midterms, no doubt with some Democrats campaigning on a plan to (temporarily) lower the new middle-class rates if elected in exchange for even higher rates on the rich — and no entitlement reform, of course. But Geraghty realizes all that. He’s playing a long game of “let it burn” here: At some point, Democratic tax-and-spend policies will squeeze so many people and cause so many problems that the public will revolt and turn back towards Republicans with a mandate to undo it. The “blue social model,” in Walter Russell Mead’s term, will eventually collapse because the left ultimately can’t make the math add up. But how long are you willing to wait? The public’s belief in soaking the rich as a solution to core budgetary problems is one of the sturdiest in American political life, rivaled only by their belief that defense spending and foreign aid are something like four-fifths of the federal budget or whatever. Democrats will put off the reckoning on entitlements as long as they can, until a Grecian debacle finally forces their hand. (That’s the flaw in my own fiscal-cliff strategy, of course. I said the GOP should offer tax hikes on the rich in exchange for immediate entitlement reform. But why would Obama agree to that when he knows the public is kidding itself about both parts of that equation?) Are you prepared to wait that long for a mandate to fix it? Through how many electoral cycles should the “let it burn” strategy be carried out (and why vote for a Republican committed to that strategy in 2014 instead of a Democrat)? Is it worth watching lopsided Democratic majorities in Congress pass single-payer health care in the interim?

The fact that the entire “fiscal cliff” clusterfark revolves around taxes instead of entitlement reform is proof enough of how deep the denial runs here. If you follow the “let it burn” approach on the assumption that the public will finally wake up and reach for the fire hose when it feels a little heat, before everything burns down, then you have more faith in the public than I do. Reminds me a little, in fact, of the assumption that a “starve the beast” approach to taxes would eventually force government to shrink. Not so, as it turns out: The beast doesn’t starve, it just borrows and continues to gorge. That’s how we got here. And on that note, enjoy insane person Jay Carney insisting that it’s “deeply irresponsible” to want spending cuts as a condition of raising America’s debt ceiling ever onward to infinity. Click the image to watch.


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Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

So says the Lib whose administration has provided 94 of 25,000 documents and whose one same Ms Nuland has uttered “do we want Congress knowing we didn’t heed warnings”….golf clap.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 8:20 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Gibber all you want, bubi.

You have NO credibility around here.

But I do see you constantly defending yourself. That tells me a lot, because I have seen you so many times and for so long.

The people here who rise against you aren’t at fault, no matter what you think of your pitiful self.

We rise against you because YOU ARE YOU.

End of story there, whether you like it or not.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Scum or otherwise, there is nothing ‘pure’ about a liberal.

While I agree with you in full, I find liberals to always be tainted somehow.

+100 to you

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:54 AM

tainted” “pure scum”? haha I know what you mean, though. :)

This is the kind of immoral, unintentionally comedic mental case who should be only ignored or mocked here:

I’m probably more christian than anyone here.

HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Unspiritual d-bags like HAL are like the Jews who thought they were more Jewish & closer to God than Jesus Himself while they were pressuring Pilate to crucify Him.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Republicans must guard against the temptation to count on scandal to deliver election victories in 2014 and 2016.

Perhaps you confuse a mere political scandal with clear evidence of widespread oppressive intimidation and law breaking by an calloused all powerful government with a “mere” scandal?

The idiots understand fear easily enough. Therefore, it is the GOP’s role to help them to start shaking deep inside over this abuse that our forefather’s knew would come from only from our own government.
Follow the Chicago way and double down on this perfect opportunity to rid our nation of the evil called Godless liberalism as government. It is anything but “just a scandal.” It is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:27 AM

the IRS should be sued in the most public manner possible.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

***

“These guys are awfully frustrated right now,” Carville said, referring to the GOP. “They’re taking the anger out, and I understand that. I think the White House has just go to live with this for 30 days, get the truth out and you know, just roll with the punches here. They’re down to swinging pretty wildly here.”

Why do I suspect that if he were around in 1941, that he’d be directing the Zeros to their targets? What total lack of moral character.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Historically speaking, now would be about the right time for Obama and company to stage a false flag operation/Reichstag fire episode. Hopefully he or Jarrett and company won’t go after Michelle, for whom I am feeling some small amount of sympathy.
I think that I put my tinfoil hat on a bit too tight today.

justltl on May 17, 2013 at 8:37 AM

No, they are not decent people. They are either defending the actions this administration has taken or even gloating over the fact that they so effectively subdued the TP and are getting away with it.

I used to think that some of the comments about reeducation camps and such nonsense were the stuff of tin foil brigades. Fun to joke about, but far-fetched. These days, I just don’t know. I think they’re capable of anything.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

To successfully implement a working Gulag system geography is a consideration?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Hold on tight to that thread. I’m sure it’ll support your weight.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/05/14/The-White-House-s-New-Game-The-Benghazi-Emails-Were-Doctored

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I disagree: this is just starting. The GOP is just getting on top of this issue, and the media is just now getting around to paying attention to it. Sekulow has 15 to 25 clients already. People–small businesses and individuals–are now coming out of the woodwork in addition to these tea party groups.

Look, liberals (see that Jon Stewart video) are exasperated by all this. I’m sure that liberals like some of the Morning Joe panels are just p*ssed that the IRS got caught. But non-ideologues will not go for seeing individuals, businesses, and legitimate charities harrassed by the IRS. I really do think that this is a solid 60% outrage issue, with another 10% to 20% knowing it’s dead wrong but not voicing an opinion because–whatever their issue–they can’t side with conservatives. That leaves the crazy 20% who who believe the only problem is that the IRS got caught.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Why do I suspect that if he were around in 1941, that he’d be directing the Zeros to their targets? What total lack of moral character.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Yep, and I admit I find it very cute when they project that deficiency onto Repubs, as though we are just as amoral as they are.

They are extremely stupid when it comes to understanding their own psychology, let alone when it comes to understanding how others’ minds work.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Yeah, I was going to say that I’d read that almost as soon as libs were dancing on tables, that lame WH effort had already been debunked by the very emails they distributed.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

the IRS should be sued in the most public manner possible.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

There are a few class action suits against the IRS in the works. The number of lawsuits will likely increase as more information comes forward…

“Earlier this morning, several members of the Kentucky 9/12 Project, the Richmond Tea Party, and Ohio Liberty met with the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) in Washington, DC, to discuss plans for civil suits against the IRS for the admitted intimidation and targeting they received after applying for tax exempt status…”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/16/some-conservatives-targeted-by-irs-say-they-plan-on-filing-civil-suit-against-irs/

And there’s one class action filed for theft of records

“What happens when a fundamentally flawed entitlement program that threatens to usurp one sixth of the U.S. economy runs up against a scandal involving the government’s second most powerful enforcement agency? The answer is a class-action lawsuit filed by a California HMO alleging that 60 million medical records from 10 million patients were stolen by the IRS.

Healthcare IT News (via Courthouse News Service) writes that an unnamed HIPAA-covered entity in the Golden State is bringing the action against 15 IRS agents. “The personal health information seized on March 11, 2011, included psychological counseling, gynecological counseling, sexual/drug treatment and other medical treatment data….”

http://libertyunyielding.com/2013/05/15/class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-irs-over-theft-of-60-million-medical-records/

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Ok well try again:

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

It still doesn’t work. Go to mi site or Instapundit to get the link.

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

They are extremely stupid when it comes to understanding their own psychology, let alone when it comes to understanding how others’ minds work.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Agreed…These are the actions of the Self-Centered.

The problem is that many old school liberals are in utter denial as to the hijacking of their agenda by Progressive Totalitarian Leftists (Operating using the tools of Fascism).

These old school liberals cling to their denial because the cognitive dissonance is too painful psychologically,intellectually and emotionally.

I spent some time reading and commenting at some liberal blogs during the 07′ – 08′ primary season…and it was evident the generational and ideological divide between conventional Bluedogs and Progressives.

I did this because I was curious to see how Obama’s divide and conquer strategy within his own party was effecting the Bluedogs v Progressives.

At the time I was completing a political series and was adding the responsive activity of New Media into the work…So it was research really to add heft to the series.

This became especially clear with the old school feminists who supported Hillary Clinton and then were divided ideologically with the media treatment of Sarah Palin. Some are disillusioned by the revelation of their corrupt fallen heroine Hillary Clinton.
Personally I have little sympathy but I understand it.

What I saw was that many of these old school liberal folks assumed a kind of protective psychological helmet that blinded them to what they knew was a clear Fascist agenda working within their midst…They became the most confused lot I’ve ever seen.

I got booted off a lot of blogs…My crime was using logic and asking questions about the obvious shifts in politics/philosophy that became fluid to meet whatever objective was necessary. All politicians have feet of Clay.

It was interesting…Quite the education.

When I was an undergraduate in the mid-1980′s we had a great government professor…He was an excellent rhetorician. He warned us about Socialist/Fascism and the mechanics of it’s implementation. There is little difference in either philosophy or mechanic since both tenets achieve the same goal…Totalitarianism.

What I learned both as a student in college…and in life is that Fascism can creep into any culture when people get lazy.

The sheeple citizenry become content with Bread & Circuses.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Ok well try again:

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Here ya go…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

WAPO also has a link for another map on ethnic diversity.

According to their conclusions the US is in the middle when it comes to ethnic diversity because the wealthier the nation the less ethnically diverse.

I find this conclusion spurious…likely due to the definition of ethnicity they are using since most of the countries in Africa and the Middle East are deemed more ethnically diverse than the US.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

…new name!…dumbphuckordie !

KOOLAID2 on May 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 5:09 AM

Because it’s target practice… allowing us to sharpen our skills on their strawman corpses before engaging in dialog that really matters… with our friends and relatives that don’t know any of this is going on, but were still Democrat supporters.

I know that the debating practice spent with these morons have made me a better debater with those who do matter. Without them constantly falling on my sword, I wouldn’t know how to handle my “rapier wit” to most effect.

Just speaking for myself, I’d like to thank the trolls here on HotAir… you have made me SOOO much more informed on my conservative worldview and effective in communicate it with others. Because of you, I have been feeding articles and viewpoints to my conservative friends, and helped them prepare their debating skills. You have made me so much more effective… as a person, as an informed citizen, as a patriot of this nation… and sealed the fate of your own party! On behalf of conservatives, thank you for your ceaseless stupidity in defending your corrupt ideology! Thank you for your support!

Liberals, please keep posting your drivel, as it only makes us better…

dominigan on May 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Well, I don’t disagree with you on your point that suits will happen. I guess I differ on a matter of degree when you say “in the the most public manner possible“.

You and I both know, the press and the television media will chase diversionary “Breaking News” as soon as possible and the continuing suits will find space on page 17 in the ho-hum columns, soon after they cobble together a couple of obscure, off-the-record sources and headline a “Bush may have done it too some experts say”. Then the GOP will run to the next television camera and save us from steroids-in-high-school-football-causing-the-tea-party-attitudes-that-have-prevented-Congress-from-getting-anything-done, dancing to the tune that the liberal media plays.

Business as usual as soon as possible.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM

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