Report: Obama’s “fiscal cliff” offer to Republicans calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes and end of debt ceiling in exchange for … nothing, basically; Update: McConnell laughed out loud; Update: Walk away, says Krauthammer

posted at 6:02 pm on November 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

Even more unbelievable than the “offer” itself is the fact that the our hack media will go on painting Republicans as the unreasonable ideologues in this equation.

House Republicans said on Thursday that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner presented the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a detailed proposal to avert the year-end fiscal crisis with $1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, an immediate new round of stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits.

The proposal, loaded with Democratic priorities and short on detailed spending cuts, was likely to meet strong Republican resistance. In exchange for locking in the $1.6 trillion in added revenues, President Obama embraced $400 billion in savings from Medicare and other entitlements, to be worked out next year, with no guarantees.

He did propose some upfront cuts in programs like farm price supports, but did not specify an amount or any details. And senior Republican aides familiar with the offer said those initial spending cuts might well be outnumbered by upfront spending increases, including at least $50 billion in infrastructure spending, mortgage relief, an extension of unemployment insurance and a deferral of automatic cuts to physician reimbursements under Medicare…

[T]he details show how far the president is ready to push House Republicans. The upfront tax increases in the proposal go beyond what Senate Democrats were able to pass earlier this year. Tax rates would go up for higher-income earners, as in the Senate bill, but Mr. Obama wants their dividends to be taxed as ordinary income, something the Senate did not approve. He also wants the estate tax to be levied at 45 percent on inheritances over $3.5 million, a step several Democratic senators balked at. The Senate bill made no changes to the estate tax, which currently taxes inheritances over $5 million at 35 percent.

Here’s Peter Suderman’s idea of a commensurate counter-offer:

Two possibilities. One: Obama reeeeally wants to avoid the cliff, so he’s engineering some political cover for the other side to compromise. Ante up with a ridiculous bid, then pretend to let Republicans “win” by letting them negotiate him down to, say, “only” a trillion in new revenues. In order to believe that, though, you have to believe that O fears the cliff. Why would he? Polls show that Republicans will take most of the blame, which means not only will Obama have more leverage after January 1 (see my earlier post about that) but he can then blame any economic sluggishness over the next year or two or four on the GOP too. That might be the difference between a Republican Senate versus a Democratic House in 2014. Which brings us to two: He’s either indifferent about going over the cliff or now actively wants it to happen, and since he knows he can count on the press to scapegoat Republicans when it does, he’s decided to shoot for the stars with his “offer” and see how desperate Boehner is. Is the GOP sufficiently nervous about being called enemies of the middle class if a deal isn’t reached that they’ll cave on tax hikes on the rich in exchange for some smaller bundle of concessions, with this insane package the only other alternative on the Democratic side? That’s what O wants to see.

Exit question: Let it burn?

Update: NRO’s Dan Foster asks a good question:

We’re supposed to be paying down the deficit here, not squeezing the rich to fund Obama’s next government expansion. How much of this mega-soak is designed to do the former rather than the latter?

Update: Laughable, literally:

Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, says he “burst into laughter” Thursday when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner outlined the administration proposal for averting the fiscal cliff. He wasn’t trying to embarrass Geithner, McConnell says, only responding candidly to his one-sided plan, explicit on tax increases, vague on spending cuts…

Geithner suggested $1.6 trillion in tax increases, McConnell says, but showed “minimal or no interest” in spending cuts. When congressional leaders went to the White House three days after the election, Obama talked of possible curbs on the explosive growth of food stamps and Social Security disability payments. But since Geithner didn’t mention them, those reductions appear to be off the table now, McConnell says.

Update: Via NRO, hard to argue with this.


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$1.6 trillion in tax increases

That’s the signal businesses have been waiting for … and since high taxes send the economy into overdrive, we’re to relive the Roaring Twenties!!!!!

Yay!!!!!

darwin on November 29, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Yes. Let it burn.

hatecraft on November 29, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Let it burn. It is going to burn sooner or later.

esr1951 on November 29, 2012 at 6:05 PM

lucy and football…

don’t fall for it gop

cripe….

SSDD

cmsinaz on November 29, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Here’ we go again. Can’t wait to see Boehner on that unicycle.

forest on November 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Let it burn. Burn baby Burn.

Sekhmet on November 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM

dems and the idiots who voted for them, will not wake up until this sucker burns…

cmsinaz on November 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

The House should pass this plan as presented to them by Obama. Send it to the Senate and don’t use the filibuster to block the vote.

Mark1971 on November 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Counter offer: Raise taxes on rich Democrats. Special surcharge on stupid Hollywood Democrats

kurtzz3 on November 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Let’s see. The plan has two main components: one for additional taxes, and one for additional spending.

If one were to assume Obama won’t eat the Republicans’ lunch on this deal, and if one were to assume that there was any intellectual honesty in Democrat arguments, this would be the part where I would point to this proposal and say Democrats are never allowed to balk at the “tax and spend” label ever again.

But it won’t matter, cause they care not a whit.

The Schaef on November 29, 2012 at 6:08 PM

The real danger is how long the tax rates will remain. The rate is negligible if there’s a sunset.

If we play our cards right we should be in control of Congress before any people with real money really feel the pinch of raised taxes.

How many in this thread will actually experience a bump in the tax-liability if the top-tier rates are raised? There are more gay people in the US population than there are people who will experience a substantial tax burden.

Raise taxes for a short time or they will be raised for us.

Capitalist Hog on November 29, 2012 at 6:08 PM

1 – Vote present.

2 – Let it burn

thirteen28 on November 29, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Two Republicans not involved in the actual negotiating said on Hannity’s program that the Republican have already sent a bill (among several) to Reid with proposed tax ideas and suggested cuts. Apparently Reid has these buried somewhere in his crypt.

Obysmal can go over the cliff, as far as I am concerned. He is the embodiment of audacity.

onlineanalyst on November 29, 2012 at 6:08 PM

$1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, an immediate new round of stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits.

These people are nuts. Like Rush said … Republicans, “just walk away”. Let it burn.

darwin on November 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Boehner will jump at this. Going further into debt is the only way to keep Washington functioning. Besides, we all know he wants to. It’s the GOP thing to do. Because as Vishnu as my witness, there will be a deal at the 11th hour. There always is. Keeping the charade going is in the interests of every politician. It’s what they do.

keep the change on November 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I am tired of playing the let’s give them this one because we will be blamed for the shutdown, downturn, etc. We will always be blamed for any bad news. The GOP can’t avoid it. To illustrate, Bush relented on the auto bailout because the GOP would be blamed for killing the auto industry if he didn’t. Yet, despite Bush’s actions, the GOP got no credit for “saving” the auto industry; instead, it was hammered for wanting to kill it…

So, I say, let it burn. At least we will get the cuts from sequestration…if were going to be blamed anyway, what is the difference?

I hate the media…

RedSoxNation on November 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM

The House should pass this plan as presented to them by Obama. Send it to the Senate and don’t use the filibuster to block the vote.

Mark1971 on November 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Insanity.

riddick on November 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM

More stimulus? Why not? We’ve had stimulus every year since the original porkulus as the baseline was then raised to that. Give him the tax increase on the wealthy for crying out loud already!! Get it off the table!!! Then make him propose entitlement reform/ cuts. When they are not enough, tell him you need x y z. When Reid won’t do it, say we dealt in good faith, they didn’t, & then watch it burn.

JAM on November 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM

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RedSoxNation on November 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM

The Republicans can’t seem to figure out whether to stand and fight against Obama’s tax increases, go back into negotiations, or, just drop their guns and run.

(By the way…is anybody out there interested in two WW II French Army Rifles? Dropped once. Never shot.)

The question remains…are the Republicans going to be Spartans? Or, Vichy French?

kingsjester on November 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

How much of this mega-soak is designed to do the former rather than the latter?

None. These exit question keep getting easier as Obama consolidates power.

forest on November 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

RedSoxNation on November 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM

+1
well said

cmsinaz on November 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Pubs should accept what ever will destroy the country the quickest. The sooner it is destroyed, the better. All Pubs. have ever done is to slow the destruction so that the idiots don’t think it is actually happening. The quicker it happens, the better.

they lie on November 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I understand Obama’s backup offer is to require that all conservatives take a whizz on Ronald Reagan’s grave.

Man, he’s really reaching across the aisle.

To grab Republicans by the nether region.

SteveMG on November 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

GDBHF’nU

SirGawain on November 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM

It should be abundantly clear to Boehner and the rest of the GOP house that Barky won’t concede anything, wants to keep spending all our money on his cronies, and the GOP will be blamed. So let it burn.

This is the time to finally call Barky’s bluff.

Slainte on November 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Gravity always wins.

mchristian on November 29, 2012 at 6:13 PM

“… then he shows these men of will what will really was.”

Let it burn…

… all the way to the ground.

Seven Percent Solution on November 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Ooooh, Allah asks “let it burn” also?

I say yes.

hawkdriver on November 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Another solid gold (plated) turd from Pharaohbama.

Hey, Barry – screw you, and the cow you rode in on your woman.

Pork-Chop on November 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

If only he negotiated this aggressively with the Iranians.

I can dream……

SteveMG on November 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

*clink*

get the marshmallows ready

cmsinaz on November 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

If the GOP falls for this POS we deserve to never have control of any piece of the government.

katiejane on November 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I’m sure that McLame and Grahamnesty will both sign on for this.

RoadRunner on November 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Give the idiot everything he wants – but be smart enough to hold 20 press conferences – saying – Obama get’s whatever he wants – this is his plan -

jake-the-goose on November 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

As Obama’s inner fat child pounds the table and screams, “More cake and ice cream! I want more cake and ice cream!” And Harry Reid scrambles the Secret Service to Baskin Robbins (assuming they’re still in business).

IndieDogg on November 29, 2012 at 6:18 PM

This is obviously (has to be) a negotiating ploy. An opening bid that they don’t expect to be accepted.

Just a starting point.

Right? Somebody convince me….

SteveMG on November 29, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Good. Put it on the floor and vote present.

The Count on November 29, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Good God!

Someone should go on the lame morning shows like Today or The View, hand 10 $1 bills to the host and then say “now spend $20″. And if they say they can’t do it, reach over to another host and ask them for 3 more $1 bills, hand it back to the first host then say “now spend $25″. That’s the insanity going on here…

nextgen_repub on November 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

ot: un vote for palestine
139 aye
9 nay
41 abstain

cmsinaz on November 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

We don’t need no water tax cuts let the mother burn.

John_Locke on November 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

GOP should walk away, call a press conference, and tell the press that the POTUS is not serious.

Then the GOP should adopt the Levin plan of passing a bill lowering the rates of the two middle income tax classes. Pass it and send it over to the Senate, with a courtesy copy to the WH with a note saying, Your Move.

platypus on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

The Punkass President.

blatantblue on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

John_Locke on November 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

heh

cmsinaz on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Give Obama (and his voting majority) what they want.
Vote “Present” in the House and Senate.
When the economy goes in the tank – as it inevitably will – all the blame is on the Dem/socialists.
But, nooooooooo, the STUPID party will continue to negotiate to protect the tax rates for the top 2%, cause the fall over the cliff
and take the blame.
The next morning, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and the rest of that clueless collection will be genuinely surprised.
“You mean Obama lied and the media are all Democrats and will lie???”

The Dems are socialists (and near-traitors), the Tea Party is into self-destruction (“we’d rather be right than win”) and the Republicans are just plain f***ing stupid.

graywolf on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Give the idiot everything he wants – but be smart enough to hold 20 press conferences – saying – Obama get’s whatever he wants – this is his plan -

jake-the-goose on November 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

We should let it burn. Make no mistake though, it has been the media popular meme to push since George Bush Sr. that somehow Donks run the economy better.

Amid the ashed the media will blame and convince the US public that it was the GOPs fault.

Count it.

Change the media, we might survive.

hawkdriver on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

BOHICA America…..

crosshugger on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Exit question: Let it burn?

All right. That’s just unrepentant stoking, right there. :)

It won’t work as a political strategy if Boehner gets into bed. It has to have both parts.

1. Oppose vehemently.

2. Lose, fair and square.

Without 1, they get nothing but a pile of ashes and people banging our history books at how they destroyed the best chance at The Dream the world ever had.

Axe on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Obummer can blame the Rs now or he can blame them later, we’ll still be over the cliff and headed for rock bottom. The Rs better get used to the blame game, it’s all they got.

Kissmygrits on November 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Then the GOP should adopt the Levin plan of passing a bill lowering the rates of the two middle income tax classes. Pass it and send it over to the Senate, with a courtesy copy to the WH with a note saying, Your Move.

platypus on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I agree. IDK why the GOP is always playing p*ssy defense.

Draft a bill. Raise rates on top two brackets. Lower rates for middle America, and have in it a plan to raise the retirement age for SS, amongst other things.

Then, “Your Move”

blatantblue on November 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Everyone call Boehner & McConnell and tell them to accept it!! Get out of the way, please!!! Burn it down in ’13!!

JAM on November 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Beyonce the TEATERCRATS in Congress!

Over the cliff we go.

Do it.

How else will we EVER get spending cuts???

PappyD61 on November 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Is this a poison pill offer to encourage the GOP to say no?

These people are nuts. Like Rush said … Republicans, “just walk away”. Let it burn.

darwin on November 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I agree.

dogsoldier on November 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

okay, “ashes” and since I can’t type tonight I’m going to fix dinner.

L.I.B

hawkdriver on November 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

But HondaV65 promised us that if Willy McDole lost the Democrats would get the blame.

gwelf on November 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I realize nobody is listening, but Republicans should just fully endorse the Simpson-Bowles commission, wait for Obama to reject the proposals of his own bipartisan commission, and then let it burn by voting present and forcing him and the Democrats to own what they passed.

Daemonocracy on November 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Let it burn. I’m done with these liars.

Philly on November 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Burn baby.

the_nile on November 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

ok, several weeks ago i was thinking 1.5T..so i was off a 0.1T.

Bohner was up to 800B last time, and barry walked away. Now that barry has had a rousing victory in the Senate…and a second term, of course he’s upping the game

barry is NOT the guy who will Ever cut entitlements…he’ll mumble something about efficiency while taking your $$$$$.

he want Money….and a transition to a governance that systematically redistributes income

r keller on November 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM

I know the first cut – Obama’s 4 million dollar vacation coming up.

gophergirl on November 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Burn Baby, B-U-R-N. Pour gasoline on it. Raise taxes to 75% rate on every one making over $24000.Double entitlements. Extend unemployment benefits to 30 yrs., then give great unemployment retirement bennies. Cut off SS and medicare. Let the old white MFers die. They vote for Pubs. anyhow and Pubs now say they don’t need their votes. Quadtruple spending. Outlaw corporate profits. Go’vt. should take over all businesses. Make every able bodied person a gov’t employee. Give free housing, food, clothing,etc. Have 5 yr. plans. Share the wealth.

they lie on November 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM

By the way, what if Republicans stopped worrying about being blamed for not giving in and considered being thanked for standing up and saying ENOUGH!

IndieDogg on November 29, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Take it!

Work it all out, baby. My SScheck is in the mail already. All you youngns can spit on my grave later.

Limerick on November 29, 2012 at 6:24 PM

It’s getting to the point for another American Revolution. Wonder what the feds would do if we all stopped paying taxes at once.

IR-MN on November 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I don’t mind a bit spending your money until it is gone.

Limerick on November 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

LIB apparently is the battlecry. That’s what the liberals voted for – give the moonbats what they want. I can’t wait to hear them wail when Barky’s bluff gets called.

Philly on November 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Then the GOP should adopt the Levin plan of passing a bill lowering the rates of the two middle income tax classes. Pass it and send it over to the Senate, with a courtesy copy to the WH with a note saying, Your Move.

platypus on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I agree and they should add taxes on EBT funds, foodstamps and every other handout. SSDI should also be taxed.

dogsoldier on November 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

GOP should walk away, call a press conference, and tell the press that the POTUS is not serious.

Then the GOP should adopt the Levin plan of passing a bill lowering the rates of the two middle income tax classes. Pass it and send it over to the Senate, with a courtesy copy to the WH with a note saying, Your Move.

platypus on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

That’s great.

We’ve always been so bad at messaging. Run an ad on every TV station if you have to.

Change the narrative.

gophergirl on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

This should be the GOP offer: Raise taxes all you want on whomever you want. But the budget has to be balanced.

It takes away all of the Democrat talking points and reveals the utter lie that we have a revenue problem instead of a spending problem.

gwelf on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

I will Plea guilty to arson , let the smoke begin!

hillsoftx on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Exit question: Let it burn?

Yes let it burn..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Mark1971: The House should pass this plan as presented to them by Obama. Send it to the Senate and don’t use the filibuster to block the vote.

I agree except that the Democrats should draft the actual bill so there are no Republican fingerprints on it anywhere and when it comes up for vote all Republicans vote “present”.

Nomas on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Throwing as much mud as possible against the wall and see what sticks. Dems are good at it, GOP falls for it every time.

Were going over the cliff no matter what we do.

tommer74 on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Hey, champ – how about $3trillion in new taxes, and $5trillion in new spending – I mean, that’s your recipe, only bigger, right? Let’s *really* let ‘er rip and witness the power of this fully operational DeathStar, shall we?

Midas on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

The GOP needs to give Obama whatever he wants. Let him OWN the coming collapse.

Jack_Burton on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

It’s getting to the point for another American Revolution. Wonder what the feds would do if we all stopped paying taxes at once.

IR-MN on November 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

If everyone did it there would be nothing they could do.

dogsoldier on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

I agree and they should add taxes on EBT funds, foodstamps and every other handout. SSDI should also be taxed.

dogsoldier on November 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Don’t forget making the 47% pay their “fair share”.

gophergirl on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Burn Baby Burn.

JPeterman on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

That’s great.

We’ve always been so bad at messaging. Run an ad on every TV station if you have to.

Change the narrative.

gophergirl on November 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

We need to play offense. The GOP perpetually plays D. Sad.

blatantblue on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Sorry, Barry, you agree that the debt limit is something that was necessary last time around… you wanted it, you agreed to it, you got it and now you are just a two-faced double-dealer.

You should have held out for that LAST TIME. Sucks for you that you endorsed the idea by agreeing to it… now you have to live with that past. I’m sure that the MFM and Left will give you a pass on this… but why should anyone else? Because you’re special?

ajacksonian on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

The gop is dead, dead, dead.

Boehner and McConnell will cave.

We’re stuck with trillion dollar deficits and 8/9/10 % unemployment from now on.

WE ARE SOCIALIST EUROPE!!!

TeaterMerica 2012!

PappyD61 on November 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM

IR-MN on November 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

What will happen if we all drastically decrease personal spending all at once? We should try it to fan the flames as it all burns down.

Philly on November 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM

The GOP needs to give Obama whatever he wants. Let him OWN the coming collapse.

Jack_Burton on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Dems owned the one we’re in and the media basically lied for them. Hell they’re telling people we’re in a recovery! Real GDP is NEGATIVE.

dogsoldier on November 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM

The quicker it happens, the better.

they lie on November 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

this, we ain’t getting any younger after all

DanMan on November 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, says he “burst into laughter” Thursday

that’s racist
-lsm

cmsinaz on November 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Let. It. Burn.

ConservativeinCO on November 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Don’t forget making the 47% pay their “fair share”.

gophergirl on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

heh

dogsoldier on November 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM

House Republicans said on Thursday that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner presented the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a detailed proposal to avert the year-end fiscal crisis with $1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, an immediate new round of stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits.

So have we finally established that Obama wants the House to say no? And indeed, it’s inevitable. The House cannot compromise enough to avoid being blamed by Obama and his media sycophants.

But if the House is ever going to dig in against the Democrats, it has to be now. In another year, their negotiating position is even worse, as every House member will be desperate to look good to their constituents just before the 2014 elections.

So now is the best time to take the damage they’re aiming at the House. It’s time to start inflicting some damage instead.

There’s no point stepping into a boxing ring if you’re hoping to avoid getting hit. The Republicans have to learn to hit back.

tom on November 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM

That’s why we have to call his bluff and let the democrats write the plan on the promise that it will cut the deficit and turn the economy around. Obama knows this plan won’t do either, so he’d prefer to go off the cliff and blame Republicans a problem for which he has no solutions.

BKeyser on November 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Exit question: Let it burn?

I’ll let Rock Master Scott And The Dynamic Three answer that (obligatory language warning).

Steve Eggleston on November 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM

We need to play offense. The GOP perpetually plays D. Sad.

blatantblue on November 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Exactly and this is the perfect time.

Go out there and present a plan and hammer it home. The media will eventually have to cover it if you are in their face 24/7.

We are too well-mannered. We are always worried about doing the “right thing”.

gophergirl on November 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM

alinsky. cloward piven

do not forget who this fker is.

tom daschle concerned on November 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Dems owned the one we’re in and the media basically lied for them. Hell they’re telling people we’re in a recovery! Real GDP is NEGATIVE.

dogsoldier on November 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM

let events play out, like they lie said

All Pubs have ever done is to slow the destruction so that the idiots don’t think it is actually happening.

let it play out

DanMan on November 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Walk away. Make them own it. Just walk away.

petefrt on November 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I’m filing for every benefit and gimme I can find. If Uncle Sugar wants to spend it I’m going to the darkside.

Limerick on November 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM

obamas plan 20-day, $4 million vacation … Residents alerted to obamas’ Hawaiian holiday plans …

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/residents-alerted-to-obamas-hawaiian-holiday-plans/123

Pork-Chop on November 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Meanwhile, CBS Evening News is running a piece about how great the economy is doing.

Bizarro World.

kingsjester on November 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Exit question: Let it burn?

Yes. I’ll bring the marshmallows.

rbj on November 29, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Honestly, the GOP will get the blame whether they vote for or against this.

They must either decide to play hardball and do what’s right (LOL, I teared up a bit just laughing at the notion of that actually happening), or they must simply sit on their hands and vote ‘present’, whatever – and let the Dems simply own it when it burns down.

Of course, we do realize that the media will be standing in front of the flames yelling that the GOP let it happen, right?

Seriously – this isn’t all going to end and get headed in the right direction until the shooting stops. It’s just a question of when it starts at this point.

Midas on November 29, 2012 at 6:33 PM

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