Q3 GDP estimate rises to 2.7% — on gov’t spending

posted at 9:41 am on November 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

When I wrote about the advance estimate from the Commerce Department on Q3 GDP hitting 2.0%, some commenters warned that the report — which came out just before the election — would be sharply revised after it.  They were right, although the revision went in the opposite direction they suspected.  The revised Q3 GDP number jumped upward to 2.7%, the best quarter of the year, although still substantially a stagnation number, especially when one sees the source of the growth:

Real gross domestic product — the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States — increased at an annual rate of 2.7 percent in the third quarter of 2012 (that is, from the second quarter to the third quarter), according to the “second” estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis.  In the second quarter, real GDP increased 1.3 percent.

The GDP estimate released today is based on more complete source data than were available for the “advance” estimate issued last month.  In the advance estimate, the increase in real GDP was 2.0 percent (see “Revisions” on page 3).

The increase in real GDP in the third quarter primarily reflected positive contributions from personal consumption expenditures (PCE), private inventory investment, federal government spending, residential fixed investment, and exports that were partly offset by negative contributions from nonresidential fixed investment and state and local government spending.  Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, increased slightly.

Actually, though, the numbers aren’t quite that good internally.  Growth in consumer spending was only 1.4%, although durable goods spending rose 8.7%.  Exports of goods and services only went up 1.1%.  Real final sales of domestic product — the actual growth in end-user spending, as opposed to inventory growth — went up just 1.9%.

So what did go up?  Government spending, emphasis mine:

Real federal government consumption expenditures and gross investment increased 9.5 percent in the third quarter, in contrast to a decrease of 0.2 percent in the second.  National defense increased 12.9 percent, in contrast to a decrease of 0.2 percent. Nondefense increased 3.0 percent, in contrast to a  decrease of 0.4 percent.  Real state and local government consumption expenditures and gross  investment decreased 0.4 percent, compared with a decrease of 1.0 percent.

Even Reuters couldn’t muster up much enthusiasm for these numbers:

Gross domestic product expanded at a 2.7 percent annual rate, the Commerce Department said on Thursday, as faster inventory accumulation and export growth offset weak consumer spending and the first drop in business investment in more than a year.

While the growth pace was much quicker than the 2.0 percent rate the government estimated last month and the best since the fourth quarter of 2011, it was hardly a sign of strength in the economy given the boost from restocking and weaker consumer spending.

That will likely be lost in the fourth quarter and inventories may be a drag on growth, which is already being weighed down by fears of austerity, known as the fiscal cliff.

In other economic news, the rate of new jobless claims returned to its 18-month level as the effects of Hurricane Sandy dissipated:

In the week ending November 24, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 393,000, a decrease of 23,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 416,000. The 4-week moving average was 405,250, an increase of 7,500 from the previous week’s revised average of 397,750.

The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.6 percent for the week ending November 17, unchanged from the prior week’s unrevised rate. The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending November 17 was 3,287,000, a decrease of 70,000 from the preceding week’s revised level of 3,357,000. The 4-week moving average was 3,296,250, an increase of 6,250 from the preceding week’s revised average of 3,290,000.

The data table at the end shows the major decreases in state numbers from the previous reporting week, which is dominated by Sandy states — except for California, whose decrease in new claims goes unexplained.  Basically, the two reports indicate that the stagnation status quo continues.


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Only solution to this for Dems and RINOs, for tax ‘expenditures’ –

Tax Ireland!

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Shouldn’t O’bama be able to talk to some of his relatives over there and sort things out?

rightmind on May 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

That is called “competition’. Something Obama understands about as well as he spells or pronounces common words.

pat on May 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Abolish the corporate tax. It isn’t even close to being worth having. Just make dividends part of income.

Count to 10 on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Don’t touch the Guinness…

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Don’t touch the Guinness…

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Tax it like hell!

It’s costing American liberals spending money.

What are you — anti-American?

I bet you’d shoot a guy you might catch raping a woman, without knowing his circumstances and how he feels.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Since some of my companies do business offshore, I am as guilty as Apple, albeit on a comparatively infinitesimal scale, in setting up Irish holding companies that place company funds in American banks and other American-based financial vehicles. All perfectly legal.

Why, because I don’t wish to pay a single penny more in taxes, no matter to which government that’s involved. Why does Apple do it or, for that matter, any other huge publicly traded entity do it? Well, if they didn’t, they’d be open to shareholder suits for “wasting corporate assets” or shareholder “Change of Management” proxy fights at their next annual meeting, which would be prosecuted by some multi-billion dollar investment fund holders.

A publicly held company has a lot more scrutiny, due to its board’s fiduciary duty to shareholders, than does a simple, greedy bastard like me.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I bet you’d shoot a guy you might catch raping a woman, without knowing his circumstances and how he feels.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

lol, He was just socially awkward and didn’t know how to ask politely.

arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

A publicly held company has a lot more scrutiny, due to its board’s fiduciary duty to shareholders, than does a simple, greedy bastard like me.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I hope you get filthy rich.

And never hire liberals.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I love to mention this sort of stuff to my Apple using lib friends.

How Apple uses foreign labor (toss in exploit for extra effect) and minimizes their tax exposure thru perfectly legal means.

Fun to watch them squirm.

Hill60 on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Ban St Patrick’s Day parades !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

lol, He was just socially awkward and didn’t know how to ask politely.

arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Kill a rapist, offend a liberal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Ban St Patrick’s Day parades !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

No! We can’t do THAT!

Tax it instead! See — a level playing field.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

If following the law to avoid paying taxes is wrong, can we impeach Obama on the fact that he claimed deductions on his 1040?

malclave on May 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

If following the law to avoid paying taxes is wrong, can we impeach Obama on the fact that he claimed deductions on his 1040?

malclave on May 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

That’s funny. When Clinton made one of his returns public years ago, he wrote off his used undershorts at $2.50 each.

I don’t file a long form any more. But when I did, I never claimed my charitable donations. What I return to God does not leave me room to try getting back a piece of it.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

I’d like to travel back into the past and bitchslap everyone involved in setting up LoN/UN

dmacleo on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I hope you get filthy rich.

And never hire liberals.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Well, when your choice is paying the Irish 12.5% on offshore earnings vs. the IRS’s 35% on same, almost three times as much, this Texan’s ready to share a pint and a “top ‘o the mornin’ to ye.”

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Tax it instead! See — a level playing field.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Great !
Now let them try to tax Cinco de Mayo parade ,
you know for a level playing field !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Well, when your choice is paying the Irish 12.5% on offshore earnings vs. the IRS’s 35% on same, almost three times as much, this Texan’s ready to share a pint and a “top ‘o the mornin’ to ye.”

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Long as ye buy the first pint, we celebrate!

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Great !
Now let them try to tax Cinco de Mayo parade ,
you know for a level playing field !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

That would be racist, man. What is wrong with you?

The Irish aren’t a minority.

Why do I hang out with you people? /

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Long as ye buy the first pint, we celebrate!

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Nigh a problem, William. I’ll buy the pints, you bring the lassies.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Nigh a problem, William. I’ll buy the pints, you bring the lassies.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Deal!

I have a thing for redheads. That okay there?

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Éirinn go Brách (or for my English friends, Erin go Bragh)

IrishEyes on May 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Éirinn go Brách (or for my English friends, Erin go Bragh)

IrishEyes on May 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

From an American of Scot lineage: Ciamar a tha thu?

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Tax Bono.

Ronnie on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I don’t file a long form any more. But when I did, I never claimed my charitable donations. What I return to God does not leave me room to try getting back a piece of it.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

That’s one way of looking at it, the other way of looking at it, is that by claiming the deduction, it provides more to give. i.e, if you are in the 28% bracket, if you don’t take the deduction, for every dollar you donate, you have to earn $1.39.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Tax Bono.

Ronnie on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

+1000

Out his a$$!

He’s nothing but an international panhandler in a Bond Street suit.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

That’s one way of looking at it, the other way of looking at it, is that by claiming the deduction, it provides more to give. i.e, if you are in the 28% bracket, if you don’t take the deduction, for every dollar you donate, you have to earn $1.39.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I’m no longer in position to itemize. But I have a personal religious view. I worked from there.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

But I have a personal religious view. I worked from there.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I do, too. If I get $100 bill from a bank (I hate $100 bills) I put it in the first charity box I see, wrapped in a $1. We’re not rich, rich. We just have a little breathing room. My philosophy is good deeds don’t count if you tell someone or claim it as a deduction. My accountant hates me… lol.

Fallon on May 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I do, too. If I get $100 bill from a bank (I hate $100 bills) I put it in the first charity box I see, wrapped in a $1. We’re not rich, rich. We just have a little breathing room. My philosophy is good deeds don’t count if you tell someone or claim it as a deduction. My accountant hates me… lol.

Fallon on May 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I’m of the view, as according to Scripture, that for what we do in private with the Lord, He will reward us openly.

I believe as you do.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I do, too. If I get $100 bill from a bank (I hate $100 bills) I put it in the first charity box I see, wrapped in a $1. We’re not rich, rich. We just have a little breathing room. My philosophy is good deeds don’t count if you tell someone or claim it as a deduction. My accountant hates me… lol.

Everybody needs to do what their conscience tells them. I think where one would get off track is if one were to give because it is tax deducttible.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

… as far as giving without publicizing it; up until this week, I was under the impression that my charitable donations were completely private and that the IRS would keep those records private.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Everybody needs to do what their conscience tells them. I think where one would get off track is if one were to give because it is tax deducttible.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

THAT describes a liberal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Everybody needs to do what their conscience tells them. I think where one would get off track is if one were to give because it is tax deducttible.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Think about it — Bill Clinton deducted from his $2.50 a pair for his ‘donated undershorts, and we’re expected to think he’s somehow a ‘nice guy’?

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

I’m in a bad mood all day.

Give me a troll to chew on.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

We do a lot of things wrong in Ireland
but the corporate tax rate was one of the things we did right
now the eurocrats want to take it away

breffnian on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Apple: “Hey Ireland how about a low tax rate?”

Ireland: Brilliant!

Apple: Brilliant!

BKennedy on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Hill60 on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Good. That’s my only problem with Apple doing this; that they are a bunch of hypocritical progs.

As to declaring taxes, I’ve considered the doing in private aspect, and really respect those who chose that route, but when I consider all the pure evil the government does with my tax dollar, I chose to keep as much out of their wicked hands as legally possible. I still fear it won’t be enough to wash me of the guilt I have in continuing to fund that evil.

pannw on May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

While Ireland misses out on some tax revenue, analysts say its economy more than makes up for this in other ways, including the tens of thousands of jobs that American technology companies have created there – and the income taxes that well-paid programmers and executives contribute to the Irish treasury.

The proggie lib hears only “misses out on … tax revenue” and says, “That’s not fair! You’re not paying your fair share!”

When asked about the jobs, the proggie lib responds indignantly, “Well, since you won’t give EVERYONE a well-paying programmer or executive job, then THAT’S NOT FAIR either!”

When told life isn’t fair, the proggie lib snarls, “Once the government controls everything, IT WILL BE!”

Marcola on May 22, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Letting too many snakes onto the Emerald Isle in P.C. stupidity.

O’Sharia.

profitsbeard on May 22, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Say there wasn’t anyone on that panel that has a rich heiress wife that shelters her NINE-figure fortune in a Trust, is there?

Cough-Cindy-Cough-McCain…

Tekov Yahoser on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 AM

I guess the Senate Democrats figured they’d found a pot o’ gold.

Odysseus on May 22, 2013 at 7:27 AM

The nerve of those Irish.

Not taxing everyone that wants to do business in their country over 50%. To not support their ruling elite with well earned compensation and benefits such as “seperate but equal” healthcare, pensions/social security, immunity from tax and regulations as well as most non felonious law.

They are obviously infidels and heathens unworthy of our fearless leaders support.

acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 7:31 AM