Good God! So now if Obama smiles and the stock market happens to go up that day, that means Obama must have caused it?!

We really are screwed until we can reform our biased, incompetent media.

netster007x on November 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

The “stock market” is over 70% HFT algos.

Computer programs buying and selling to each other….

Think about it…

It isn’t real.

There is only way to make the medicine of tax hikes go

Anyone proof reading this? I know, but c’mon…

Good God! So now if Obama smiles and the stock market happens to go up that day, that means Obama must have caused it?!

We really are screwed until we can reform our biased, incompetent media.

Paint me a picture in which the GOP’s leverage not only increases if we go over the cliff,

Allah, get real. The debt limit gets hit early next year. Unless Obama’s willing to put up with a balanced budget for the nest two years, he has to give the Republicans enough so that they’re willing to compromise with him.

The starting Republican position should be: Extend the Bush / Obama tax cuts in total, and pass the Ryan budget, and we’ll raise the debt limit $1 trillion.

Read whatever polls you want, but if the economy is good, the President’s party gets the credit, if it’s bad, they get the blame. If Obama wants to trash the economy in the hope the Republicans will get the blame, let him.

The thing is. And it is the dirty little not-so-secret truism that there will not be entitlement cuts as part of any deal with the enemy. There will be the promise of entitlement cuts at some point in the future along with massive tax increases in the immediate present. Let’s stop pretending that entitlements will be cut when that was a key reason why the moochers and takers decided to give the filthy rat-eared bastard a second term with even more control of Congress by his equally filthy party.

IN SHORT STOP TALKING AS IF ENTITLEMENT CUTS ARE EVER GOING TO HAPPEN BASED ON THE PROMISES OF A BUNCH OF STINKING DEMOCRATS!

Happy Nomad on November 29, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Democrats lie. That is all they do. Name one, any one, agreement on budgets that the Democrats have no lied about and broken in the last generation. Democrats are physically and psychologically incapable of telling or recognizing the truth.

Walk away. Walk AWAY. WALK AWAY!

Do not negotiate. Do not give yourself the opportunity to cave.

Make them present a plan. A specific plan.

Iblis on November 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

The only people in this country remotely serious about doing what’s necessary to prevent the impending meltdown are fiscal conservatives, Tea Party faithful, and a handful of elected Republicans.

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM

and finally:

If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

You just don’t understand. When you look at the way the states fell on November 6, Romney lost the Presidency by 406,349 votes spread across 4 states. Every swing state, every one, had massive vote fraud based on rigged voting machines, physical takeover of polling places, or reporting impossible voting percentages. When the precincts of a county are reporting an average voter turnout of 148% of the registered voters, overwhelmingly Democrat, when 17 of the 64 counties in my state have more registered voters than the 2010 census said they had people over the age of 18; we cannot beat the Democrat margin of fraud.

Once an election is stolen by fraud, the thief dare not EVER allow another fair election. Republicans, let alone conservatives, are not going to take the Senate in 2014. Or hold the House. 6 months before the election the Democrat margin of victory is going to be already set.

A friend of mine, who is beyond doubt knowledgeable about Communism and how to recognize Communists [under his public name, he has authored numerous reference books on the Russian armed forces, from Czarist times to date, who is fluent in Russian, and who has access to Soviet archives; put it his way on another blog discussing the same issues as we are here:

… in what way, either substantive or theoretical, is our government any different from that of the Soviet Union, North Korea, the PRC, Zimbabwe, or other officially communist regime? In what way does the current regime have any pretense of legitimacy? When the Viet Cong robbed villagers of their crops and meager funds, they called it “tax collection”. A woman who is forcibly raped at least retains her honor, the woman who willingly cooperates becomes a whore.

We are going to have harder times than this country has ever had before. Soon. We may or may not come through it. Those who seek to cut deals with the enemy will be aiding the enemy.

Like I say, paint me a picture of how I’m wrong. We go over the cliff; the public bristles at the new tax hikes on the middle class; Obama says this could all be solved if Republicans just did what the majority prefers and hiked taxes on the rich, and … then what? What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Step back and do as Obama did so many times as both an Illinois state senator and a US Senator – vote present. They’re not going to get credit for keeping the Bush/Obama tax rates for the middle/lower class, and if they affirmatively join in on screwing those who pay more than 10% of their incomes to the federal government, they’ll lose all credibility. If they actively block it, they’ll get the blame from the presstitutes (never mind that Obama and Reid are holding the Bush/Obama middle/lower-income tax rates hostage to their desires to tax the “rich” at a 50% marginal tax rate).

In the meantime, keep lobbing Ryan budget after Cut/Cap/Balance budget at Dingy Harry. After all, both of them were the only two Standard & Poor’s said would not have resulted in a credit downgrade.

best possible play might be to offer to pass a bill now that would extend the Bush rates for the middle and lower class in exchange for immediate reform to entitlements. No “promises” of future reform this time

EXACTLY! Because ‘the future’ never comes when you’re talking about entitlement reform. Especially with the Chief-Can-Kicker in the White House.

Anything that deviates from the above is cowardice.

Exactly. But are congressional Republicans smart enough? I wish I could say I can see it.

Blacklake on November 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Most of them are lawyers–very rich lawyers. Of course they see it! They just don’t want to use the tactic.

I am persuaded of two things as of late: Sitting Republicans don’t want to upset the applecart because a lot of corporations donate to both sides. To do so might force donors to take sides, and no politician wants to risk being kicked off the gravy train.

Second, I’m of the view that one day the two Parties will become one, however loosely and ‘unofficial’, the same way the AFL and CIO unions in the 1950s formed a coalition. Then the only difference between candidates will come down to who offers the most goodies the fastest.

Right now the Left either gets Republicans to cave to their every demand–which they’d like, but wouldn’t prefer as it’s sadly the best hand Republicans could possibly play–or they get sequestration and media-sponsored free reign to lay full blame (unjustly, but effectively) entirely in the lap of Republicans–which is their real play here.

Just give Obama what he wants with token resistance, then vote ‘present’ when the deal comes to the floor for a vote. Unless Reid sabotages any deal reached, that is. I bet he will, too, because if the Republicans don’t put up a fight and wash their hands of the matter instead, the Dems lose their whipping boy when life in America gets worse for everyone…

Liam on November 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Exactly. But are congressional Republicans smart enough? I wish I could say I can see it.

If we take the tax increase, the cycle will begin and the dems will say “See, tax increase didn’t hurt, it spurred the economy”, and if the Republican’s get the tax relief, and the economy turns (and it will either way, one more than the other but we won’t have an comparison), we get to say, “See tax cuts work”…

This is a big, big, big deal…bigger than the immediate crisis.

(When will the GOP hire a PR firm and actually train the Republican members of congress to speak clearly in front of tv cameras?)

stenwin77 on November 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM

You’re asking a lot.

Over the dam cliff.

(When will the GOP hire a PR firm and actually train the Republican members of congress to speak clearly in front of tv cameras?)

DaveDief on November 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

MSM ‘take’ on what you wrote: “Sore loser racist Republicans whining and lying again.”

Tingles will do an ‘in-depth analysis’ of how the Pubs blocked the Senate from submitting a budget, and how the House versions were all so totally unacceptable they couldn’t be amended or possibly negotiable.

We all know how this works.

Just give Obama what he wants with token resistance, then vote ‘present’ when the deal comes to the floor for a vote. Unless Reid sabotages any deal reached, that is. I bet he will, too, because if the Republicans don’t put up a fight and wash their hands of the matter instead, the Dems lose their whipping boy when life in America gets worse for everyone. The Dems need the fight even though they’ll win in the end, and they know it. Liberals need their demons for, without them, they’ll have to own up one day. That would spotlight how useless is the Left to the betterment of a country and its people.

Liberals can’t play the roles of hero and champion if they have no one fighting them.

Thanks Ohio Tea Party, you’ve been very helpful in letting the rat eared Mac Daddy have his way with us.

They are going to achieve the destruction of capitalism in this country one way or another. Paradoxically, the small victories of the right only serve to postpone the inevitable failure of the socialist state.

Give the despicable Dems what they want. Let them have it in one big toxic lump that they can swallow, choke on and die.

LIB

And even the Obamas’ dog Bo costs the taxpayer thousands of dollars – his handler is reportedly paid over $100,000 a year.

…

weaselyone on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Um… maybe tell the girls that if they want a dog, they have to take care of it. Feed him, give him water, clean up after him.

Oh wait… that’s called personal responsibility.

Never mind.

Like I say, paint me a picture of how I’m wrong. We go over the cliff; the public bristles at the new tax hikes on the middle class; Obama says this could all be solved if Republicans just did what the majority prefers and hiked taxes on the rich, and … then what? What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Good point. If you count the voters below the “rich” point (the ones that can least take a tax hike) they will far exceed the “rich” voters. Furthermore, the “rich” can and will absorb the tax hike with a probability near “1″ that they won’t let it affect their voting behavior. Usually, discretion and good sense are the better part of valor.

Tell the public that it has become impossible to negotiate spending cuts because the Democrat-controlled Senate, unlike the the Republican-controlled House, has refused to submit and pass a budget for the last 4 years.

DaveDief on November 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

That’s my point…cut what? There is no budget to cut, once we have a budget, than we can discuss what changes need to be made…it’s so simple, it confuses the politicians…

Once we have a budget presented, we can start making decisions regarding the budget, until than, we have nothing to discuss.

What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

So the idea is to cave on fiscally conservative principles in the hopes of positioning ourselves better in 2014? Great idea. Oh wait, we won’t be *able* to do anything in 2014, otherwise we’ll screw our chances in 2016. Where does it end?

Burn, baby, burn.