Boehner: No progress on “fiscal cliff” talks over last two weeks

posted at 1:51 pm on November 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

In case you were wondering why his phone call with O yesterday was reportedly so “curt,” here’s why. Now, a request: Paint me a picture in which the GOP’s leverage not only increases if we go over the cliff, but increases so much that it’s worth assuming the considerable political risk, and economic damage, involved in doing so. A final deal here will involve three basic parts — tax hikes on the rich, extending the Bush tax rates for the middle class, and entitlement reform. The public seems to be aligned with O on all three, i.e. they like the first two a bunch and they’re, shall we say, conflicted about the third. (In reality, Obama doesn’t “like” the idea of lower tax rates on the middle class because he knows he’ll need more from them to pay for the welfare state long-term. But that’s his current position.) Math is math, though, and the House does have some leverage, so there’ll have to be entitlement cuts of some form. Per Politico, Democratic Senate aides claim that they realize this:

There is only way to make the medicine of tax hikes go down easier for Republicans: specific cuts to entitlement spending. Democrats involved in the process said the chest-pounding by liberals is just that – they know they will ultimately cave and trim entitlements to get a deal done.

A top Democratic official said talks have stalled on this question since Obama and congressional leaders had their friendly looking post-election session at the White House. “Republicans want the president to own the whole offer upfront, on both the entitlement and the revenue side, and that’s not going to happen because the president is not going to negotiate with himself,” the official said. “There’s a standoff, and the staff hasn’t gotten anywhere. Rob Nabors [the White House negotiator], has been saying: ‘This is what we want on revenues on the down payment. What’s you guys’ ask on the entitlement side?’ And they keep looking back at us and saying: ‘We want you to come up with that and pitch us.’ That’s not going to happen.”

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) told “Morning Joe” on Tuesday that he could see $400 billion in entitlement cuts. That’s the floor, according to Democratic aides, and it could go higher in the final give and take. The vast majority of the savings, and perhaps all of it, will come from Medicare, through a combination of means-testing, raising the retirement age and other “efficiencies” to be named later.

If we go over the cliff, do we get more or less in entitlement cuts than we would if we made a deal now? That’s the key question, it seems to me. The idea that O will buckle and extend the Bush tax rates for the rich is implausible given how much political capital he’s invested in tax hikes over the past six months; if he yanked the football away from the left when they’re this close to squeezing the dreaded one percent, they’d go berserk. He won’t budge on that. He might budge on entitlements, but will he budge more in December or in January? My hunch is that he’s more likely to budge next month, in the name of avoiding the recessionary shocks that would come with going over the cliff, than he is in January, when those shocks will have already hit. Once we’re over the cliff, chatter about a “grand bargain” will deteriorate into a clamor about the middle class suffering under a new, heavier tax burden. Entitlements will be shunted aside. O will point to the polls showing support for tax hikes on the rich, fold his arms, and demand that the House pass a bill extending the Bush rates for the middle class only. Under that sort of pressure, and given the general unpopularity of entitlement cuts, how likely is it that Boehner would be able to wring broader Medicare reforms from O rather than narrower ones?

We’re holding a bad hand here any way you look at it, but I’m thinking the best possible play might be to offer to pass a bill now that would extend the Bush rates for the middle and lower class in exchange for immediate reform to entitlements. No “promises” of future reform this time; Obama needs to sign something that’ll start to bite next year. The advantage of doing it that way is that it would essentially push the tax issue off the table and put entitlements at the center of the “fiscal cliff” debate. Let’s make the next month a referendum on how serious O is about controlling the sort of long-term expenditures that will swallow any future tax hikes.


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I, for one, welcome the cliff.

Been calling my GOP Congressman urging him to vote against any “compromise” set forth between Boehner (whom I don’t trust) and the Marxist-in-Chief.

Norwegian on November 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Meanwhile the Obama’s are planning their next Hawaiian getaway at our expense ($4 million) just as America is going over the fiscal cliff.

http://www.popmogul.com/celebrity-prez-headed-to-hawaii-for-xmas-vacation-at-our-expense/

The people get the government they deserve.

xstatic on November 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Just give Obama what he wants and let the whole economy go to hell… Just to be on record they need to put two bills to be voted on:

Bill # 1: Extend the Bush tax cuts to people making up to $ 200,000 a year per individual and $ 250,000 per couples. This bill will pass and signed by Obama.

Bill # 2: Also extend the Bush cut to people making more than $ 200,000 a year per individual and $ 250,000 per couples. This bill may not pass the democrat senate and for certain it will be vetoed by Obama. However Obama and the socialists now will own the disaster of taking the economy to hell by increasing taxes on the job creators.

So stop the negotiations and submit these two simple bills tomorrow for vote…

mnjg on November 29, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Boehner: No progress on “fiscal cliff” talks over last two weeks

Barack Obama is driving the Ford Focus into the wall at 120 miles per hour, John “Bonehead” Boehner is in the front passenger seat fiddling with the radio trying to find the appropriate crash music.

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:01 PM

I’m sick to death of arguments over the Bush tax cuts. Let them all expire. Let everyone pay $2,200 more a year, while we still end up with a massive deficit.

El_Terrible on November 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Let the sequester happen. That is Obama’s blueprint and it passed both chambers with bipartisan support. Or just vote present and let Obama own it all.

DanMan on November 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Tax rates need to be extended regardless of whether or not their is entitlement reform.

GOP right now needs to pass two separate bills extending both the highest bracket and another extending all the other brackets.

Put the ball in the Dems’ court. If they want to let the highest rate expire and sink the economy, that will be on them.

commodore on November 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

One breath: OBAMA IS NOT TELLING US THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO CUT

Next breath: I WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY DETAILS ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM

L

et’s make the next month a referendum on how serious O is about controlling the sort of long-term expenditures that will swallow any future tax hikes.

There is an old ditty “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.” You are well past two AP. If O was serious about long-term expenditures we wouldn’t have had 1 trillion plus deficits for 4 years and we wouldn’t have had the Otaxacare monstrosity.

chemman on November 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM

I tossed all of my fire extinguishers in the dumpster, LET ‘ER BURN!

hillsoftx on November 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Obama’s doing what he always does, punting and leaving it up to Congress to do his bidding.

changer1701 on November 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Meanwhile the Obama’s are planning their next Hawaiian getaway at our expense ($4 million) just as America is going over the fiscal cliff.

http://www.popmogul.com/celebrity-prez-headed-to-hawaii-for-xmas-vacation-at-our-expense/

The people get the government they deserve.

xstatic on November 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM
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HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE ON VACATION AND INCUR EXPENSES

OMG

OMG

OMG

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Paint me a picture in which the GOP’s leverage not only increases if we go over the cliff, but increases so much that it’s worth assuming the considerable political risk, and economic damage, involved in doing so.

This is awfully reminiscent of the argument made in favor of TARP.

changer1701 on November 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Fiscal Cliff: Why Congress Might Have to Mess with the 401(k)
http://business.time.com/2012/11/28/fiscal-cliff-why-congress-might-have-to-mess-with-the-401k/

One of the earliest fears about tax-favored savings accounts like IRAs and 401(k) plans was that when this pool of savings grew large enough Congress would not be able to resist tapping it to help solve the nation’s debt problems. We’re about to find out if those fears—persistent for decades—have been justified.

So hold on to your wallet. Congress has many options when it comes to tapping this vast reservoir. It could eliminate the deduction altogether or just for top earners, further restrict the amount that is deductible (currently $17,500; for those over 50, $23,000), start taxing retirement savings growth, or take back the part that has grown tax-free.

In the throes of a retirement savings crisis, none of these options is appealing. But that last one is most troublesome. At stake is any savings that has accrued tax-free in a Roth IRA. Tax-deferred growth could be a target too if you find yourself in a lower tax bracket in retirement. There is no discernible momentum behind such measures. But a retroactive tax on this sheltered income has been a worry from the start. And now these accounts have a meaningful total—and everything is on the table.

Colbyjack on November 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM

We’re holding a bad hand here because guys like McConnell and Boehner tried to be just too slick about negotiations in the past.

Don’t try to be trickey, don’t try to outmaneuver Obama and the Dems. Just give them what they want and let them own it. Let them pass their nonsense without a single Republican vote–raise taxes, increase spending, whatever. Have every R vote against it with just enough ‘present’ votes to let it pass.

If the American people were stupid enough to re-elect these guys, then they deserve whatever comes from their ridiculous ideas. But make sure that there’s no way the Dems can blame us for the crapstorm that follows…

PetecminMd on November 29, 2012 at 2:08 PM

My advice to the GOP? Play chicken. We just had an election, and the next one isn’t for almost two years. Force the democrats to accept entitlement reform. You’ll get them along with the tax cuts. By the next election, everyone will have forgotten about the whole thing.

Mohonri on November 29, 2012 at 2:09 PM

That ‘cut’ in entitlements of $400 billion is spread over what–ten years? Like $40 billion a year is going to make a dent in a $1.6 trillion annual deficit.

Might as well let the Dems have all they want and make them own it, for all the good that forty billion will do for the country. It’s all a big flim-flam, so why bother with a fight the Dems will win anyway. Even if they somehow lost, the MSM will make them victims at the hands of ‘evil heartless Republicans’ so that they come out on top next time in a big way.

Liam on November 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM

We’re holding a bad hand here any way you look at it, but I’m thinking the best possible play might be to offer to pass a bill now that would extend the Bush rates for the middle and lower class in exchange for immediate reform to entitlements.

The problem is Obama and the Dems will never cave on that. They know they don’t need to since as you pointed out, the GOP holds a lousy hand. That’s why they should just go with the “let it burn” option. Give Obama the tax hikes on “the rich”, accept a bunch of BS entitlement cuts that we all know will never go through, and then sit back and watch as the economy implodes and pin it all on the Dems.

Obviously Obama and the Dems will attempt to blame the GOP, but we will have effectively neutralized any attack on Republicans for being obstructionists, protectors of the rich, or beholden to failed policies of the previous administration. I honestly don’t see any other alternative as we’re not dealing with serious people on the left.

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Does anyone else miss the days when we had a speaker of the House who knew how to use his power to bludgeon the President and effectively neuter him to bend to HIS will?

Newt, please school Boehner on how to do this please.

portlandon on November 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Going over the cliff with throw us further into recession.

Giving president Obama everything he wants will throw us further into recession.

Tax hikes on the top 2% will throw us into a recession.

It seems like what we need right now is to figure out this time travel stuff and convince President Obama to go into acting instead of politics. It’s the only way.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 29, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Meanwhile the Obama’s are planning their next Hawaiian getaway at our expense ($4 million) just as America is going over the fiscal cliff.

xstatic on November 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Bark feels your pain, no really he does.

Now get back to work.

Bishop on November 29, 2012 at 2:13 PM

This is awfully reminiscent of the argument made in favor of TARP.

changer1701 on November 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Like I say, paint me a picture of how I’m wrong. We go over the cliff; the public bristles at the new tax hikes on the middle class; Obama says this could all be solved if Republicans just did what the majority prefers and hiked taxes on the rich, and … then what? What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Newt, please school Boehner on how to do this please.

portlandon on November 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM

No kidding. Get that man on speed dial!

cptacek on November 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Newt Gingrich was the most successful House Speaker because he knew how to use the power of the office. He spoke directly to the people, giving them progress reports and using Clinton’s popularity as a weapon against him. Newt mastered it well, and should be tutoring Boehner on this.

Instead, Boehner is doing behind closed doors talks with Obama, and coming out looking like a weak idiot.

Boehner should be holding Speeches on the House Steps of the capitol, BEFORE going in to talk to Obama.

portlandon on November 29, 2012 at 2:18 PM

If we go over the cliff, do we get more or less in entitlement cuts than we would if we made a deal now? That’s the key question, it seems to me.

The thing is. And it is the dirty little not-so-secret truism that there will not be entitlement cuts as part of any deal with the enemy. There will be the promise of entitlement cuts at some point in the future along with massive tax increases in the immediate present. Let’s stop pretending that entitlements will be cut when that was a key reason why the moochers and takers decided to give the filthy rat-eared bastard a second term with even more control of Congress by his equally filthy party.

IN SHORT STOP TALKING AS IF ENTITLEMENT CUTS ARE EVER GOING TO HAPPEN BASED ON THE PROMISES OF A BUNCH OF STINKING DEMOCRATS!

Happy Nomad on November 29, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Walk away. Walk AWAY. WALK AWAY!

Do not negotiate. Do not give yourself the opportunity to cave.

Make them present a plan. A specific plan.

Iblis on November 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

The Mystery Man came over
An’ he said: “I’m outa-site!”
He said, for a nominal service charge,
I could reach nervonna t’nite
If I was ready, willing ‘n able
To pay him his regular fee
He would drop all the rest of his pressing affairs
And devote His Attention to me
But I said . . .
Look here brother,
Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?
(Now who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?)
Look here brother,
Don’t you waste your time on me
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+zappa/cosmik+debris_20056562.html ]
The Mystery Man got nervous
An’ he fidget around a bit
He reached in the pocket of his Mystery Robe
An’ he whipped out a shaving kit
Now, I thought it was a razor
An’ a can of foamin’ goo
But he told me right then when the top popped open
There was nothin’ his box won’t do
With the oil of Afro-dytee
An’ the dust of the Grand Wazoo
He said:
“You might not believe this, little fella, but it’ll cure your Asthma too!”
An’ I said . . .
Look here brother,
Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?
(Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
Look here brother,
Don’t you waste your time on me
Don’t waste yer time . . .

I’ve got troubles of my own, I said
An’ you can’t help me out
So take your meditations an’ your preparations
An’ ram it up yer snout
“BUT I GOT A KRISTL BOL!,” he said
An’ held it to the light
So I snatched it
All away from him
An’ I showed him how to do it right
I wrapped a newspaper ’round my head
So I’d look like I was Deep
I said some Mumbo Jumbos then
An’ told him he was goin’ to sleep
I robbed his rings
An’ pocket watch
An’ everything else I found
I had that sucker hypnotized
He couldn’t even make a sound
I proceeded to tell him his future then
As long as he was hanging around,
I said
“The price of meat has just gone up
An’ yer ol’ lady has just gone down . . . ”
Look here brother,
Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?
(Now is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?)
Don’t you know,
You could make more money as a butcher,
So don’t you waste your time on me
(Don’t waste it, don’t waste your time on me . . . )
Ohm shonty, ohm shonty, ohm shonty-ohm
SSHONTAY

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Nothing. That’s the whole point. The only people in this country remotely serious about doing what’s necessary to prevent the impending meltdown are fiscal conservatives, Tea Party faithful, and a handful of elected Republicans. And hell, even amongst Tea Partiers(if you believe the polls), many of them don’t want any major changes to entitlement programs.

So the GOP is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Which is why they need to take the least politically damaging route which is caving on the tax hikes and letting Obama and the Dems get exactly what they want, therefore forcing them to own the results. I know some pundits like Sour Kraut have said that it’ll destroy the Republicans politically much like Bush 41 breaking his “read my lips” pledge, but I disagree. The damage will be temporary(much like with TARP) since the midterms are nearly 2 years away.

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM

HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE ON VACATION AND INCUR EXPENSES

OMG

OMG

OMG

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Communist Dave Raywall, there is a huge difference between vacationing in your own house (ex: G W Bush in his Crawford Texas ranch) and the parasites class President vacationing in mansions that he does not own and costing the taxpayers a lot of money… The hypocrisy of the communists is simply incredible… They love the poor and the needy but yet they live the very rich life style that only very few can afford to live… And the worst part is that the parasites class does not give a damn about the hypocrisy of their communist rulers as long as these rulers are stealing the producers money to give it to them…

mnjg on November 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM

We’re holding a bad hand here any way you look at it, but I’m thinking the best possible play might be to offer to pass a bill now that would extend the Bush rates for the middle and lower class in exchange for immediate reform to entitlements.

The problem is Obama and the Dems will never cave on that. They know they don’t need to since as you pointed out, the GOP holds a lousy hand. That’s why they should just go with the “let it burn” option. Give Obama the tax hikes on “the rich”, accept a bunch of BS entitlement cuts that we all know will never go through, and then sit back and watch as the economy implodes and pin it all on the Dems.

Obviously Obama and the Dems will attempt to blame the GOP, but we will have effectively neutralized any attack on Republicans for being obstructionists, protectors of the rich, or beholden to failed policies of the previous administration. I honestly don’t see any other alternative as we’re not dealing with serious people on the left.

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM

The “let it burn” option will cause tax pain at all income levels; initiate drastic sequestration cuts in all defense and social programs; increase unemployment, and, send us into a recession. We will cut off our noses to spite our faces in a no win game. The upside could be that they rush to pass legislation that will negate these drastic cuts, but, if they don’t or can’t, then this country and its people are finished. Based on experience do you really believe they can agree on and pass legislation that will turn back this fiscal armageddon? The nation is between a rock and a hard place.

rplat on November 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Good time for Dear Leader to take a 20 day vacation. After all, he has issued his edicts and demands. What more can he do?

farsighted on November 29, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Ever see Doomsday Preppers?

The cultural revolution of the sixties eschewed morality. Decades later we reap what we sowed. You can’t expect an immoral lot of people to govern sanely or responsibly. It is anarchy, and it is only going to get worse before it can get better.

Reject the premise that either side wants to restore fiscal sanity. That ship sailed at least a decade ago. It is all about social engineering and social justice. We have a professional group of looters, moochers, and weepers that are driving policy. We have to stop acting shocked when we see it.

tom daschle concerned on November 29, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Short term, get people like Paul Ryan out there explaining what is wrong with Obama’s approach of only raising taxes and how little effect that has on the problem of national debt. The GOP will not change minds or snotty selfish attitudes of moochers by lectures from John Boehner. The right needs to campaign as vigorously as the rat-eared wonder and his party has in demonizing private wealth.

Call for Dems and the GOP to adopt Simpson-Boles in its entirety (this included cuts to Social Security and Medicare). Call for the appointment of an independent commission akin to the BRAC process to specifically lay out budgetary cuts.

Start talking like Dems in pointing out what will not be funded if we do not cut entitlements and engage in fiscal responsibilty. Point out in every speech the burden to future generations. Remind the stupid moocher/taker class that this is a national security issue as much as it is letting somebody else pay for their existence.

Happy Nomad on November 29, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Truthfully, if the rich get hosed, everyone should get hosed. Its a shame the 47% (aside from those over 65 that paid taxes during their careers), cant be forced to pay their “fair share.”

milcus on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Communist Dave Raywall, there is a huge difference between vacationing in your own house (ex: G W Bush in his Crawford Texas ranch) and the parasites class President vacationing in mansions that he does not own and costing the taxpayers a lot of money… The hypocrisy of the communists is simply incredible… They love the poor and the needy but yet they live the very rich life style that only very few can afford to live… And the worst part is that the parasites class does not give a damn about the hypocrisy of their communist rulers as long as these rulers are stealing the producers money to give it to them…

mnjg on November 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Oh f*ck off with the “president is living high off the hog” garbage.

And you don’t have a f*cking clue what a communist is.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Gee, Charlie Brown (GOP House), I see Lucy (Pelosi/Reid/Obama) kneeling over there with a foot ball, beckoning you to come over and give it a kick!

Wow, what an opportunity, huh?

What to do…

What to do…

Bruno Strozek on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Going over the cliff with throw us further into recession.

Giving president Obama everything he wants will throw us further into recession.

Tax hikes on the top 2% will throw us into a recession.

It seems like what we need right now is to figure out this time travel stuff and convince President Obama to go into acting instead of politics. It’s the only way.DeathtotheSwiss on November 29, 2012 at 2:13 PM

You are delusional if you think a communist like Obama would be convinced now that he won re-election to extend the Bush tax cuts for the job creators… He will not extend the Bush tax cuts for the job creators…

mnjg on November 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Bark feels your pain, no really he does.

Now get back to work.

Bishop on November 29, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Yeah. Those food stamps ain’t gonna pay for themselves.

The Rogue Tomato on November 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Persuade Leftist Americans — the hard way because they’re too evasive or stupid to understand history, basic economics, and human nature — to become more fiscally conservative.

How do we do that? Let.It.Burn. It still won’t persuade all the useful idiots … but perhaps enough to get us over the hump and get back on the path to restoring American greatness.

ShainS on November 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM

SSHONTAY

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

been awhile…nice, insert Obama People for Po’jama People in that song and Zappa looks like a Nostrodamus. Those were some great concerts.

DanMan on November 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Ever see Doomsday Preppers?

The cultural revolution of the sixties eschewed morality. Decades later we reap what we sowed. You can’t expect an immoral lot of people to govern sanely or responsibly. It is anarchy, and it is only going to get worse before it can get better.

Reject the premise that either side wants to restore fiscal sanity. That ship sailed at least a decade ago. It is all about social engineering and social justice. We have a professional group of looters, moochers, and weepers that are driving policy. We have to stop acting shocked when we see it.

tom daschle concerned on November 29, 2012 at 2:24 PM

http://www.hulu.com/doomsday-preppers

Chip on November 29, 2012 at 2:31 PM

There is no way the Dems aren’t aware of what their policies are doing now, will do in the short term, and for the long haul. But they can get away with it because they have their devil: the Republican Party. But if the Pubs give them what they want and the inevitable results, they lose their devil.

The last things a liberal wants is to take personal responsibility, and suffer the consequences liberal policies inflict on everyone else.

Liam on November 29, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Oh f*ck off with the “president is living high off the hog” garbage.

And you don’t have a f*cking clue what a communist is.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I know very well what a damn communist is and you are one of them as well as Obama… The only thing that communists in the US, Canada, and Western Europe have not done yet is to use violence to take over power and people possession like the communists of the ex-Soviet Union, China, and other communist regimes have done.

mnjg on November 29, 2012 at 2:31 PM

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

been awhile…nice, insert Obama People for Po’jama People in that song and Zappa looks like a Nostrodamus. Those were some great concerts.

DanMan on November 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Frank was a Brilliant man who would be deeply troubled by where America is today. Yes, I did know Frank Zappa.

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:33 PM

It’s funny that Politico would call tax hikes for the rich, “medicine”. That would seem to imply that these tax hikes would cure the problem. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the folks at Politico somehow believe that.

BKeyser on November 29, 2012 at 2:34 PM

My goodness, this robbing and regulating donkeys to pay elephants is pretty intoxicating, isn’t it?

Punchenko on November 29, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Very well done…the libs are so over the top filled with stupid, that they wont even understand what you just did.

Alinsky on November 29, 2012 at 2:35 PM

lol, sorry, stepped on the wrong thread.

Alinsky on November 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Oh f*ck off with the “president is living high off the hog” garbage.

And you don’t have a f*cking clue what a communist is.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

You seem mad.

Are you mad, bro?

You seem mad.

Bishop on November 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

The “let it burn” option will cause tax pain at all income levels; initiate drastic sequestration cuts in all defense and social programs; increase unemployment, and, send us into a recession. We will cut off our noses to spite our faces in a no win game. The upside could be that they rush to pass legislation that will negate these drastic cuts, but, if they don’t or can’t, then this country and its people are finished.

rplat on November 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM

This country is already finished. That’s what this election we just had confirmed whether we want to admit it or not. I know it may have been just under 52% of the population who doomed us(meaning as many 48% of us understand what’s coming), but elections have consequences and the reality we have to accept is that an unserious man with some pretty radical ideas for the future of this nation was just given 4 more years in office. And his party which is equally unserious about fiscal responsibility still controls the Senate and has a sycophantic corrupt media that will cover for them every step of the way.

I’m looking long-term here. The only way out of this mess(at least involving ballots and not bullets) will be to get some serious-minded people elected to office to at least attempt to undo the damage this regime and their enablers are causing. And that won’t be possible if the GOP takes such a big political hit coming out of these fiscal cliff negotiations that it destroys their chances at winning the midterms and the 2016 election.

We have to make the Dems own this mess as much as possible. And that means the Republicans have to give Obama and his party what they’re demanding(although not a penny more), have as few of their own members vote for it as they can, and then begin recruiting as many quality candidates as they can for 2014(particularly for the Senate which is up for grabs yet again).

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Ok, we tax the rich and it funds the government for a few hours . . . then what? Entitlement reform is the only solution and if it takes sequestration then so be it.

rplat on November 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

We tell democrats to write it, to own it, and they get one shot without GOP interference to fix the fiscal problems we face using their methods. The GOP votes “present”, or whatever procedural method they can use to allow it to pass without putting their name on it, and then we say, “here you go, America. You voted for it. You got it.”

Then we take back the White House in 2016.

BKeyser on November 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Like I say, paint me a picture of how I’m wrong. We go over the cliff; the public bristles at the new tax hikes on the middle class; Obama says this could all be solved if Republicans just did what the majority prefers and hiked taxes on the rich, and … then what? What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Educate the masses. Easier said than done.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Then we take back the White House in 2016.

BKeyser on November 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

YEEAAAARGH!!!

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I know very well what a damn communist is and you are one of them as well as Obama… The only thing that communists in the US, Canada, and Western Europe have not done yet is to use violence to take over power and people possession like the communists of the ex-Soviet Union, China, and other communist regimes have done.

mnjg on November 29, 2012 at 2:31 PM

In Drywall’s defense, when he was a small child his parent used to give him plastic bags to play with, oh how he loved wearing them on his head… good times…good times… No, Drywall honestly does not understand that socialist’s and Progressives and Communists are all the same thing. Marxists. Chocolate Ice-cream, Vanilla Ice-cream, Strawberry Ice-cream… Different flavors, but all of them are ICE-CREAM…

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Obama’s proposal, such as it is, is a “solution”?

farsighted on November 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

I know very well what a damn communist is and you are one of them as well as Obama… The only thing that communists in the US, Canada, and Western Europe have not done yet is to use violence to take over power and people possession like the communists of the ex-Soviet Union, China, and other communist regimes have done.

mnjg on November 29, 2012 at 2:31 PM
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Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

You seem mad.

Are you mad, bro?

You seem mad.

Bishop on November 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

ROTFLMAO… Oh he is… Mad as a effing Hatter…

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Oh f*ck off with the “president is living high off the hog” garbage.

And you don’t have a f*cking clue what a communist is.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Certainly not living off the high hog:

Obama family ‘costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year’ (that’s 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)

Moreover, much of the money spent on Mr Obama’s family goes to perks such as entertainment and household expenses.

For example, the White House contains a movie theatre which is manned by projectionists 24 hours a day in case one of the family feels like a trip to the cinema.

And even the Obamas’ dog Bo costs the taxpayer thousands of dollars – his handler is reportedly paid over $100,000 a year.

Another huge presidential outgoing, according to Mr Gray, comes in the form of staff members who can be appointed by the commander-in-chief at his own personal discretion.

226 members of Mr Obama’s staff are apparently paid over $100,000 – and the President can increase their salaries at any time.

weaselyone on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

I don’t think the GOP should hold out for a deal and send us over the cliff. We’d definitely get blamed for that in the next 2 elections (at least).

Instead, we should let Obama propose a plan, then vote present on it. Obama supposedly has his finger on the pulse of America, and Clinton said nobody could possibly do any better than Obama has done so far. So let’s see that brilliance in action.

Whatever lame, random, undoable crap he comes up with, well, that’s the price of letting Obama be President. Why should the GOP have to make proposals? We’re the minority party.

hawksruleva on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Marxists. Chocolate Ice-cream, Vanilla Ice-cream, Strawberry Ice-cream… Different flavors, but all of them are ICE-CREAM…

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

EVERYBODY GETS ICE CREAM!

tom daschle concerned on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Boehner should stop taking to Obama and the dems. Rush said that Obama will blame the republicans. We all through we’re going to have a recession, if we ever really were out of it and make Obama and the dems own it.

I read here that Newt said there is no fiscal cliff, I think he’s right.

carolt2 on November 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Certainly not living off the high hog:

Obama family ‘costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year’ (that’s 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)

Moreover, much of the money spent on Mr Obama’s family goes to perks such as entertainment and household expenses.

For example, the White House contains a movie theatre which is manned by projectionists 24 hours a day in case one of the family feels like a trip to the cinema.

And even the Obamas’ dog Bo costs the taxpayer thousands of dollars – his handler is reportedly paid over $100,000 a year.

Another huge presidential outgoing, according to Mr Gray, comes in the form of staff members who can be appointed by the commander-in-chief at his own personal discretion.

226 members of Mr Obama’s staff are apparently paid over $100,000 – and the President can increase their salaries at any time.

weaselyone on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM
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Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Bishop on November 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Dave is feelin’ pretty cocky, now that the horror of the Pierre Trudeau depredations are healed, the canucks have some conservative leadership, and are in tall clover, economically. Good for them. Elections do have consequences.

a capella on November 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

weaselyone on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Apparently “we all have to pay our fair share” isn’t as inclusive as advertised.

Bishop on November 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

“Listen, this is not a game.”

Ummm… given the miniscule amount of the sequestration cuts compared to the deficits we run annually, and given the miniscule amount Obama’s tax hikes on the rich will actually bring in…

So when you consider that neither item at issue in this whole “fiscal cliff” debacle is actually a serious solution to our fiscal problems… yes, it actually is a game. It’s a game among politicians in which the American people and their tax dollars are the pawns.

gravityman on November 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

It’s so simple, it won’t be done…”Give us the cuts first, give us a budget, than we can talk, until then, it’s just bluster and talk”…

Stick with that, don’t waver…

right2bright on November 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Moreover, much of the money spent on Mr Obama’s family goes to perks such as entertainment and household expenses.

For example, the White House contains a movie theatre which is manned by projectionists 24 hours a day in case one of the family feels like a trip to the cinema.

And even the Obamas’ dog Bo costs the taxpayer thousands of dollars – his handler is reportedly paid over $100,000 a year.

Another huge presidential outgoing, according to Mr Gray, comes in the form of staff members who can be appointed by the commander-in-chief at his own personal discretion.

226 members of Mr Obama’s staff are apparently paid over $100,000 – and the President can increase their salaries at any time.

weaselyone on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Not surprised. This extreme self-centered Narcissist-in-Chief has never been concerned about frugality or spending other people’s money.

We don’t really need to his exorbitant and lavishly personal spending to establish that fact. Just look at the increase in the federal debt & deficits under his watch.

Norwegian on November 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

One breath: OBAMA IS NOT TELLING US THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO CUT

Next breath: I WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY DETAILS ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM

What’s 2 trillion minus 80 billion?

1.92 trillion, right?

That’s what the Democrats – and you, apparently – call “fixing the problem.” Which, you know, doesn’t fix anything.

Math is hard.

Good Lt on November 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

There should be no raises in revenue until spending cuts to all entitlements are agreed to. There should be a sunset provision that if the spending cuts don’t materialize on schedule as agreed then revenue increases automatically return to pre-agreement levels. Republicans have been down this road before where they trade tax increases for spending cuts and the spending cuts don’t happen as agreed.

philrat on November 29, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Not surprised. This extreme self-centered Narcissist-in-Chief has never been concerned about frugality or spending other people’s money.

We don’t really need to his exorbitant and lavishly personal spending to establish that fact. Just look at the increase in the federal debt & deficits under his watch.

Norwegian on November 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I don’t think this is a partisan issue. I have seen estimates of the spending for Bush’s family in 2008 as high as 1.5 billion.

I was just pointing out that it is ridiculous that our Presidents live like this. Security and transportation cost a lot and should be taken care of at taxpayer expense…but not THAT much.

I doubt the Obama’s will spend 100k on a dog sitter once they leave the White House.

How can anyone in government be trusted to cut spending when the so-called “head” of our government, Bush or Obama, spend so much on themselves and their families.

weaselyone on November 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Keep laughing you buffoon. When we go over the fiscal cliff, Canada will be shortly behind. Kind of like dominoes.

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JPeterman on November 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM

And you don’t have a f*cking clue what a communist is.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

You do ?

Jabberwock on November 29, 2012 at 3:08 PM

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

I think you may be wrong…it just hasn’t been explained…the political manuvering is more important to these guys than solutions.

If someone, if the GOP, came together, presented their solutions, and stuck with it…
“We will discuss every idea, as soon as we have a budget to work with, and some real cuts in spending that shows the American people the administration is serious about the financial crisis. Until then, it’s just posturing and blustering.”

People will accept that, keep it simple, and keep repeating it…we need a budget to make decisions about a budget…a real budget, not one where 100% of congress votes it down.

right2bright on November 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Bishop on November 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Dave is feelin’ pretty cocky, now that the horror of the Pierre Trudeau depredations are healed, the canucks have some conservative leadership, and are in tall clover, economically. Good for them. Elections do have consequences.

a capella on November 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Actually I think he has just found of of his favorite plastic bags from his early childhood and is having a nostalgic moment playing with it.

SWalker on November 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM

The public seems to be aligned with O on all three

What’s this BS? I’m the public and I’m not aligned with O on anything. No matter what happens, the GOP is gonna get criticized and blamed and you conservative pundits aren’t helping at all so I wish all of you, conservatives, slimestreamers, everyone–just STFU! I’m so sick of you all–let it go over the cliff and I hope they take a buncha pit-a$$ bloggers with.

stukinIL4now on November 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Like I say, paint me a picture of how I’m wrong. We go over the cliff; the public bristles at the new tax hikes on the middle class; Obama says this could all be solved if Republicans just did what the majority prefers and hiked taxes on the rich, and … then what? What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

We seem to be delaying the inevitable here. How many times in the last 5 years have we needed some “deal” to avoid Certain Economic Calamity? All each deal has done is kick the proverbial can down the road…meanwhile, the economy still sputters along, unemployment remains high, and we accumulate more and more debt.

If the GOP offers to raise those tax rates, then they have to extract a ton of REAL cuts along with it, along with other concessions. Why not tie it in with a balanced budget amendment, and/or language making it tougher to raise the debt limit, or starting the Keystone Pipeline? If the Dems reject it, the onus is on them…the GOP will have offered to raise those rates, so they will have done their part. But I don’t see how they’re in much of a weaker position if we go over the cliff as opposed to where they stand now.

changer1701 on November 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM

One breath: OBAMA IS NOT TELLING US THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO CUT

Next breath: I WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY DETAILS ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Pal, all the Senate has to do is pass a budget, like they are supposed to, and discussion, real discussion can take place…what part of “budget” confuses you??
Most people have a budget, all successful businesses have a budget, congress has always had a budget…but this president can’t create a budget after 3 years?

Don’t, even you, consider that strange…and makes it impossible to make major changes without knowing what to change?? Naw, I take that back, you still won’t get it…that’s why you are our favorite pet.

right2bright on November 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Come on Boehner, get out ahead of this and tell the public that Obama’s request for tax hikes and reduction in spending is already written into law and will become effective on January 1. Tell the public that areas of reduced spending are not Republican priorities but rather Democrat priorities and with the Senate and White House being controlled by the Democrats due to the recent election this is how we will approach 2013. Tell the public that it has become impossible to negotiate spending cuts because the Democrat-controlled Senate, unlike the the Republican-controlled House, has refused to submit and pass a budget for the last 4 years.

DaveDief on November 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

We have to make the Dems own this mess as much as possible. And that means the Republicans have to give Obama and his party what they’re demanding(although not a penny more), have as few of their own members vote for it as they can, and then begin recruiting as many quality candidates as they can for 2014(particularly for the Senate which is up for grabs yet again).

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Amen!!!

txhsmom on November 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Rice is going to be on the all the talk shows Sunday explaining the new fiscal plan…

right2bright on November 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM

What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

So the idea is to cave on fiscally conservative principles in the hopes of positioning ourselves better in 2014? Great idea. Oh wait, we won’t be *able* to do anything in 2014, otherwise we’ll screw our chances in 2016. Where does it end?

Burn, baby, burn.

dalewalt on November 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Tell the public that it has become impossible to negotiate spending cuts because the Democrat-controlled Senate, unlike the the Republican-controlled House, has refused to submit and pass a budget for the last 4 years.

DaveDief on November 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

That’s my point…cut what? There is no budget to cut, once we have a budget, than we can discuss what changes need to be made…it’s so simple, it confuses the politicians…

Once we have a budget presented, we can start making decisions regarding the budget, until than, we have nothing to discuss.

right2bright on November 29, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Like I say, paint me a picture of how I’m wrong. We go over the cliff; the public bristles at the new tax hikes on the middle class; Obama says this could all be solved if Republicans just did what the majority prefers and hiked taxes on the rich, and … then what? What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Good point. If you count the voters below the “rich” point (the ones that can least take a tax hike) they will far exceed the “rich” voters. Furthermore, the “rich” can and will absorb the tax hike with a probability near “1″ that they won’t let it affect their voting behavior. Usually, discretion and good sense are the better part of valor.

rplat on November 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM

And even the Obamas’ dog Bo costs the taxpayer thousands of dollars – his handler is reportedly paid over $100,000 a year.

weaselyone on November 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Um… maybe tell the girls that if they want a dog, they have to take care of it. Feed him, give him water, clean up after him.

Oh wait… that’s called personal responsibility.

Never mind.

dalewalt on November 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

The scurrilous Dems have remained viable only through deceit and incrementalism.

They are going to achieve the destruction of capitalism in this country one way or another. Paradoxically, the small victories of the right only serve to postpone the inevitable failure of the socialist state.

Give the despicable Dems what they want. Let them have it in one big toxic lump that they can swallow, choke on and die.

LIB

justltl on November 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Again, the reason we have Boehner is the direct result of the idiotic and infantile douchebags that control the OH Tea Party.

Thanks Ohio Tea Party, you’ve been very helpful in letting the rat eared Mac Daddy have his way with us.

Mr. Arrogant on November 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

DaveDief on November 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

MSM ‘take’ on what you wrote: “Sore loser racist Republicans whining and lying again.”

Tingles will do an ‘in-depth analysis’ of how the Pubs blocked the Senate from submitting a budget, and how the House versions were all so totally unacceptable they couldn’t be amended or possibly negotiable.

We all know how this works.

Just give Obama what he wants with token resistance, then vote ‘present’ when the deal comes to the floor for a vote. Unless Reid sabotages any deal reached, that is. I bet he will, too, because if the Republicans don’t put up a fight and wash their hands of the matter instead, the Dems lose their whipping boy when life in America gets worse for everyone. The Dems need the fight even though they’ll win in the end, and they know it. Liberals need their demons for, without them, they’ll have to own up one day. That would spotlight how useless is the Left to the betterment of a country and its people.

Liberals can’t play the roles of hero and champion if they have no one fighting them.

Liam on November 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM

FORWARD !!!!

Over the dam cliff.

(When will the GOP hire a PR firm and actually train the Republican members of congress to speak clearly in front of tv cameras?)

stenwin77 on November 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM

(When will the GOP hire a PR firm and actually train the Republican members of congress to speak clearly in front of tv cameras?)

stenwin77 on November 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM

You’re asking a lot.

Mr. Arrogant on November 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Here’s the deal…the economy will eventually turn around, it’s always cyclical, it may not be ideal, but it will begin at some time to rebound.

If we take the tax increase, the cycle will begin and the dems will say “See, tax increase didn’t hurt, it spurred the economy”, and if the Republican’s get the tax relief, and the economy turns (and it will either way, one more than the other but we won’t have an comparison), we get to say, “See tax cuts work”…

This is a big, big, big deal…bigger than the immediate crisis.

right2bright on November 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

No, it’s not game. For the Democrats, at least, it’s a war of annihilation. They’ve been fighting it since at least 2000, Republicans continue to act as if they still haven’t noticed, and Obama/Reid won what amounts to its Battle of Stalingrad when they duped Republicans into the sequestration trap in the first place.

Right now the Left either gets Republicans to cave to their every demand–which they’d like, but wouldn’t prefer as it’s sadly the best hand Republicans could possibly play–or they get sequestration and media-sponsored free reign to lay full blame (unjustly, but effectively) entirely in the lap of Republicans–which is their real play here.

Just give Obama what he wants with token resistance, then vote ‘present’ when the deal comes to the floor for a vote. Unless Reid sabotages any deal reached, that is. I bet he will, too, because if the Republicans don’t put up a fight and wash their hands of the matter instead, the Dems lose their whipping boy when life in America gets worse for everyone…

Liam on November 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Exactly. But are congressional Republicans smart enough? I wish I could say I can see it.

Blacklake on November 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Exactly. But are congressional Republicans smart enough? I wish I could say I can see it.

Blacklake on November 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Most of them are lawyers–very rich lawyers. Of course they see it! They just don’t want to use the tactic.

I am persuaded of two things as of late: Sitting Republicans don’t want to upset the applecart because a lot of corporations donate to both sides. To do so might force donors to take sides, and no politician wants to risk being kicked off the gravy train.

Second, I’m of the view that one day the two Parties will become one, however loosely and ‘unofficial’, the same way the AFL and CIO unions in the 1950s formed a coalition. Then the only difference between candidates will come down to who offers the most goodies the fastest.

Liam on November 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I have every confidence the GOP will puss out at the 11th hour.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM

If boehner has any guts, he should just:
- stop answering the presidents calls
- let the sequester happen – state that this was the bipartisan compromise agreed to, and if the other party wants to avoid it…they need to pass a budget which would be negotiated between the house and senate in the normal fashion. However, because the senate has been completely irresponsible, it is likely that this will take sometime for them to get their act together..so don’t count on any fixes in the next few months.
- When the current borrowing authority expires, do not allow any future debt….democrats can propose all the taxes they want to pay for things and the house may somewhat go along with whatever taxes are agreed to, but no more borrowing.

Anything that deviates from the above is cowardice.

deploylinux on November 29, 2012 at 4:53 PM

best possible play might be to offer to pass a bill now that would extend the Bush rates for the middle and lower class in exchange for immediate reform to entitlements. No “promises” of future reform this time

EXACTLY! Because ‘the future’ never comes when you’re talking about entitlement reform. Especially with the Chief-Can-Kicker in the White House.

GarandFan on November 29, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Since the country in the grand scheme of things said to go off the entire fiscal cliff, I say let it happen in its entirety. Let there be 2 years of pain, and then use the lack of seriousness on the Rats’ part as a bludgeon in 2014.

Steve Eggleston on November 29, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Like I say, paint me a picture of how I’m wrong. We go over the cliff; the public bristles at the new tax hikes on the middle class; Obama says this could all be solved if Republicans just did what the majority prefers and hiked taxes on the rich, and … then what? What’s Boehner’s next move? Say “to hell with it” and leave the new higher tax rates in place for everyone? If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Step back and do as Obama did so many times as both an Illinois state senator and a US Senator – vote present. They’re not going to get credit for keeping the Bush/Obama tax rates for the middle/lower class, and if they affirmatively join in on screwing those who pay more than 10% of their incomes to the federal government, they’ll lose all credibility. If they actively block it, they’ll get the blame from the presstitutes (never mind that Obama and Reid are holding the Bush/Obama middle/lower-income tax rates hostage to their desires to tax the “rich” at a 50% marginal tax rate).

In the meantime, keep lobbing Ryan budget after Cut/Cap/Balance budget at Dingy Harry. After all, both of them were the only two Standard & Poor’s said would not have resulted in a credit downgrade.

Steve Eggleston on November 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM

The thing is. And it is the dirty little not-so-secret truism that there will not be entitlement cuts as part of any deal with the enemy. There will be the promise of entitlement cuts at some point in the future along with massive tax increases in the immediate present. Let’s stop pretending that entitlements will be cut when that was a key reason why the moochers and takers decided to give the filthy rat-eared bastard a second term with even more control of Congress by his equally filthy party.

IN SHORT STOP TALKING AS IF ENTITLEMENT CUTS ARE EVER GOING TO HAPPEN BASED ON THE PROMISES OF A BUNCH OF STINKING DEMOCRATS!

Happy Nomad on November 29, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Democrats lie. That is all they do. Name one, any one, agreement on budgets that the Democrats have no lied about and broken in the last generation. Democrats are physically and psychologically incapable of telling or recognizing the truth.

Walk away. Walk AWAY. WALK AWAY!

Do not negotiate. Do not give yourself the opportunity to cave.

Make them present a plan. A specific plan.

Iblis on November 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

The only people in this country remotely serious about doing what’s necessary to prevent the impending meltdown are fiscal conservatives, Tea Party faithful, and a handful of elected Republicans.

Doughboy on November 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM

and finally:

If that costs the GOP a shot at retaking the Senate in 2014, is that a price worth paying? If it costs them the House, is that a price worth paying?

I’m all for a fiscally conservative solution. I just don’t think most of America is. What do we do about that?

Allahpundit on November 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

You just don’t understand. When you look at the way the states fell on November 6, Romney lost the Presidency by 406,349 votes spread across 4 states. Every swing state, every one, had massive vote fraud based on rigged voting machines, physical takeover of polling places, or reporting impossible voting percentages. When the precincts of a county are reporting an average voter turnout of 148% of the registered voters, overwhelmingly Democrat, when 17 of the 64 counties in my state have more registered voters than the 2010 census said they had people over the age of 18; we cannot beat the Democrat margin of fraud.

Once an election is stolen by fraud, the thief dare not EVER allow another fair election. Republicans, let alone conservatives, are not going to take the Senate in 2014. Or hold the House. 6 months before the election the Democrat margin of victory is going to be already set.

A friend of mine, who is beyond doubt knowledgeable about Communism and how to recognize Communists [under his public name, he has authored numerous reference books on the Russian armed forces, from Czarist times to date, who is fluent in Russian, and who has access to Soviet archives; put it his way on another blog discussing the same issues as we are here:

… in what way, either substantive or theoretical, is our government any different from that of the Soviet Union, North Korea, the PRC, Zimbabwe, or other officially communist regime? In what way does the current regime have any pretense of legitimacy? When the Viet Cong robbed villagers of their crops and meager funds, they called it “tax collection”. A woman who is forcibly raped at least retains her honor, the woman who willingly cooperates becomes a whore.

We are going to have harder times than this country has ever had before. Soon. We may or may not come through it. Those who seek to cut deals with the enemy will be aiding the enemy.

Subotai Bahadur on November 29, 2012 at 6:44 PM

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