WaPo/ABC poll: Six in ten favor raising taxes on $250K+ households for fiscal-cliff solution

posted at 12:11 pm on November 28, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Well, that $80 billion a year will come in handy, no?  That’s the impression that six in ten Americans have as a solution to the trillion-dollar deficits in the latest Washington Post/ABC poll — and 39% of Republicans, too.  The result demonstrates the political leverage of Democrats in the fiscal-cliff fight, and perhaps the leeway for the House GOP to compromise as well:

Sixty percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll support raising taxes on incomes more than $250,000 a year, long a popular option overall, but also a divisive one: While 73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree.

Interestingly, the move to limit deductions doesn’t get nearly as much support:

Americans divide on another item on the table, reducing income-tax deductions. In a question testing the concept generally – that is, without suggesting that wealthier Americans would be harder hit – 49 percent oppose limiting deductions, while 44 percent are in favor. On this option, strong opposition exceeds strong support, although intensity isn’t high on either side, 28 vs. 20 percent.

Partisan divisions on this question are less pronounced than they are on a tax hike for the better-off: Support ranges from 45 percent of Democrats and independents to 39 percent of Republicans; opposition, 48 to 51 percent across these groups. “Strong” opposition, likewise, is similar across partisan groups, 26 to 30 percent.

Does that make any sense at all?  Part of the problem with the tax rates, from the populist point of view, is that the wealthy are perceived to have too many ways around them.  That’s why Mitt Romney belatedly took up the cause of limiting deductions to a capped amount.  That way one can limit the ability to shield income without having unpleasant conversations about the distortions provided by certain types of deductions.

Peter Orszag writes today at Bloomberg that these unpleasant conversations are the reason we won’t see deduction reform, even with a cap:

Let’s take a closer look at the effects of such a limit, though. In 2009, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service, taxpayers who itemized their deductions and had incomes of more than $200,000 had average deductions of $50,000 or more. For those with $200,000 to $500,000 in income, average deductions amounted to more than $51,000; from $500,000 to $1 million in income, the average was more than $100,000. At higher incomes, the averages rose further.

That households with incomes of more than $200,000 would be disproportionately affected by the deduction limit is neither surprising nor necessarily troublesome. Here comes the problem. In 2009, those taxpayers deducted more than $300 billion, 90 percent of which came from just three categories: taxes paid (mostly state and local taxes), home-mortgage interest and charitable contributions.

Of the big three, charitable giving is the most discretionary (unless a family moves to a smaller house with a smaller mortgage, or a city or state with lower taxes). The charitable sector thus has the most to lose from a limitation on itemized deductions.

How much money is involved? In 2009, households with incomes of more than $200,000 claimed almost $60 billion in charitable deductions — or about 20 percent of total charitable giving in the U.S. that year. Households with incomes of more than $10 million claimed an average of $1.75 million each in charitable donations in 2009, and they accounted for roughly 5 percent of all giving.

Charitable giving reacts to tax incentives, and in response to any limits on deductions it could even fall by about the same amount as the increase in the tax bill, according to John List of theUniversity of Chicago, who recently reviewed the literature on this subject. Other studies have suggested an effect about half as large. Even that smaller estimate, though, suggests that limiting deductions to $50,000 a year could easily reduce giving by tens of billions of dollars.

How long do you think it will take the charitable sector to figure this out?

Well, how about some simple entitlement reform — like raising the retirement eligibility age?  That’s the most unpopular option of all, opposed by two-thirds of Democrats and Republicans:

Sixty-seven percent in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, oppose another suggestion, raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67.  And on this idea, strong opposition surpasses strong support by more than 3-1, 49 to 14 percent.

Opposition to increasing the Medicare eligibility age crosses partisan and ideological lines; it’s 68 percent or more among Democrats and Republicans and liberals and conservatives alike. Instead views relate to age; opposition peaks at 78 percent among adults age 50-64. It’s also higher among women and people with less than $100,000 incomes, compared with men and the better-off.

Terrific.  The only broad consensus for action is the populist tax-hike option which will solve less than 10% of the problem, and two-thirds won’t even take a basic step like mildly indexing retirement eligibility to life expectancy in order to reduce costs in the biggest fiscal train wreck of the federal budget.

If we could trade marginal tax-rate increases for real cuts in spending and actual entitlement reform that would end the long-term problems in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, I’d take that trade, if somewhat reluctantly.  This poll shows that Americans still have not come to grips with the scope and size of the problem … or even basic math.


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LIB… everyone’s taxes go up.

Illinidiva on November 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM

This is California logic. It has and continues to fail there, it will fail here.

Only problem is this will affect all 57 states.

CorporatePiggy on November 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM

DOUBLE ALL TAX RATES and start taxing social security (regardless of additional income), medicare, medicaid, food stamps, Obamaphones, you name it.

The country voted for a European-style welfare state. Fine. It’s time that it got European-style tax rates to pay for it.

Eliminating the Bush tax rate cuts on the top 2% will raise about $80 billion per year. THAT’S IT.

The “We can have all of this and get the ‘evil rich’ to pay for it” BS that Obama the Medicine Man sold to the country needs to be exposed for the cr@p that it is. Time to belly up to the bar and pay the tab. From now on, pay first, drink later.

It’s time that EVERYONE put some skin in the game… including Peggy Joseph and the Obamaphone woman.

If Americans want a big government, make them pay for it. We’ll see just how big of a government they really want. I suspect that we will find that they want a much smaller government once they are on the hook for the taxes needed to support it. Right now, they believe that they can have a free lunch and stick the “evil rich” with the tab. Unfortunately for the clueless, there aren’t enough “evil rich” people to pay for the lunch to which the moochers believe they are entitled.

Resist We Much on November 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

LET IT BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bgibbs1000 on November 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

If the media did its job, people would know it adds up to only $80 billion.

The Rogue Tomato on November 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Too bad that isn’t an actual “solution”. That’s what is called a “drop in the bucket”. But good to know that 6 in 10 people are morons.

deadrody on November 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

But it’s not just $250,000-plus households that we’re talking about. It’s businesses, which will have a disincentive to hire, keeping the unemployment rate high and the economy in a perpetual depression (and that’s what we’re in, no matter what it’s officially “termed.”)

It’s a cliche, but has anybody ever been offered a job by a poor person?

Right Mover on November 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

LET IT BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bgibbs1000 on November 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Well, how about some simple entitlement reform — like raising the retirement eligibility age? That’s the most unpopular option of all, opposed by two-thirds of Democrats and Republicans:

I can’t believe more people don’t support this. 67 is reasonable and I would even support 68-70.

But I’m not going to worry, the entitlements won’t be there when I’m that age (I’m 30 now). I’m not counting on it, nor do I want them. Wish I could opt out…..

nazo311 on November 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Oh brother! The US is really sol with this poll numbers!
L

letget on November 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Let it burn.

SirGawain on November 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

I would like to see the wording of the poll question on the Medicare eligibility age. Something about the 49-14 opposition strikes me as being awful fishy.

Mohonri on November 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Worse news: Six in ten think this is actually a “solution.”

Bat Chain Puller on November 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

If the media did its job, people would know it adds up to only $80 billion.

The Rogue Tomato on November 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

If the media did its job people knew math, people would know it adds up to only $80 billion.

nazo311 on November 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Right Mover on November 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

That’s what they voted for. Give it to them. Cut your Obamavoters from your payroll.

Resist We Much on November 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Too bad that isn’t an actual “solution”. That’s what is called a “drop in the bucket”. But good to know that 6 in 10 people are morons.

deadrody on November 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

What? You didn’t get that from the election?

WryTrvllr on November 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

How about this poll about the media that produces these results

*78% of people look unfavorably on political media
*only 10% look favorably on politial media
(by the way, the poll was done by the commies at SEIU/Daily Kos. So they are probably 10% high on who looks favorably on political media)

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/184480/poll-political-media-viewed-unfavorably-by-78-percent-of-people/

Danielvito on November 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Why stop there? Why not just tax everyone – ALL earners of every level – more and let them all have some more skin in the game?

Let everyone feel the pain of what the federal government is doing to them.

They’ll think twice next election day about pulling the lever for ‘free’ stuff.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Good Lt on November 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM

At this point I hope they get what they want and raise the taxes on the “rich”. And then they will learn there is no free lunch when the “evil rich” start laying them off.

ojfltx on November 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Sure, why not.

Feel the burn!

John_Locke on November 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

love polls, they make it sound like everyone likes, how about breaking it out by people that actually pay the government income taxes, not the one that pay get it all back and then some.

RonK on November 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

I support raising taxes on those in the highest tax bracket if the Democrats agree to cut entitlement spending.

So basically, I don’t support raising taxes on those in the highest tax bracket.

Liberals are like weeds: you give ‘em a foot, they take the whole yard.

mintycrys on November 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I wonder how many of the 39% of Republicans in the poll are part of the “Let it burn” crowd. (hee-hee…)

CurtZHP on November 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Including 39% of Republicans.

Banging head on desk

portlandon on November 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Certainly, an extra $80 billion will fix the multi-trillion dollar problems this administration has exacerbated in the last 4 years.

That’s not even the size of TARP, and is 1/10 the size of the stimulus.

Yeah. That’s the answer we’ve all been looking for. So SPEND MORE!

Good Lt on November 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Let the class warfare continue.

Obama Asks Supporters to Make Videos on How They Want to Bilk the Rich

I have no words left on how creepy and scary this is. Anyone have a phone number where I can turn in my neighbor for having a bigger and more expensive car than I have?

JPeterman on November 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Good Lt on November 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM

I have a better chance winning the lottery than for that to happen!
Can’t have ‘poor’ pay for anything now can we?
L

letget on November 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

<a href="A little riddiculus gibberish“>This is shorter, simpler and easier to understand than the Obama Debt reduction plan…

SWalker on November 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Those who wanted the whole house of cards to tumble down so we can start all over again will get their wish, I’m afraid.

I hope China and Russia have enough respect for what’s left of our navy to stand off until it’s all sorted out.

Akzed on November 28, 2012 at 12:23 PM

“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

Benjamin Franklin

”The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money”.
Alexis de Tocqueville

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.

Thomas Jefferson

Chip on November 28, 2012 at 12:23 PM

This poll proves 6 in 10 Americans are morons.

ButterflyDragon on November 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Marx would be so proud.

kingsjester on November 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

The media is doing an astronomical disservice by not putting this tax debate in context against the real issues of debt and entitlements. There simply aren’t enough people to tax at any rate which will cover the real crisis. Zero interest in covering this other than possibly on CNBC and FNC.

MechanicalBill on November 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Fine. It will fail. And then the argument will be to raise them even more. And it will fail. Indeed, it will produce perverse results. And then the argument will be to raise them further. Marxism is very monotonous. And Conservatism is very gutless.

rrpjr on November 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Polling on a question like this and considering it news is why there is nothing to be gained by following them.

Why not do this…

Walk into a ABC Restaurant and ask the 2 owner and 8 customers if the menu prices should be cut in half. I’m guessing you get a similar result to this poll. 70% would say YES!

The 2 owners perhaps one reasonable customer will say no. the other 7 customers will say sure … “I like half price meals, it won’t cost me anything” (until the restaurant is forced to close.)

To say the results of such a poll gives credence to the thought that ABC Restaurant is overpriced … That would be just silly.

MarkCasper on November 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

The media is doing an astronomical disservice by not putting this tax debate in context against the real issues of debt and entitlements. There simply aren’t enough people to tax at any rate which will cover the real crisis. Zero interest in covering this other than possibly on CNBC and FNC.

MechanicalBill on November 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The Fifth Column Treasonous Media ARE America’s most dangerous enemy.

SWalker on November 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Obama was just on TV urging Republicans to “listen to those who sent us here to serve.”

Funny he didn’t feel the same way when he was pushing for Obamacare.

steebo77 on November 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM

If a small increase is good, a large one would be better. Tax them at 75%.

forest on November 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM

6 in 10 polled are morons…

If Obama gets his way taxing the rich at best will bring in 80 billion, that 8 days of Obama govt spending. 

So besides scaring rich into hiding their money what good will this tax increase do for America??

Will it create jobs?

Will it significantly reduce the debt?

This is this just a campaign tactic of class warfare from the Liberal/Democrats/Obama team.

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

WaPo/ABC poll? LOL

Mr. Arrogant on November 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

The Results of Legal Plunder

It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.

What are the consequences of such a perversion? It would require volumes to describe them all. Thus we must content ourselves with pointing out the most striking.

In the first place, it erases from everyone’s conscience the distinction between justice and injustice.

No society can exist unless the laws are respected to a certain degree. The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law. These two evils are of equal consequence, and it would be difficult for a person to choose between them.

The nature of law is to maintain justice. This is so much the case that, in the minds of the people, law and justice are one and the same thing. There is in all of us a strong disposition to believe that anything lawful is also legitimate. This belief is so widespread that many persons have erroneously held that things are “just” because law makes them so. Thus, in order to make plunder appear just and sacred to many consciences, it is only necessary for the law to decree and sanction it. Slavery, restrictions, and monopoly find defenders not only among those who profit from them but also among those who suffer from them.

Akzed on November 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

People want to fix the debt problem by making other people pay. SHOCKING! Thats why the deductions part tanks, because its not presented to the poll answerer as affecting the rich. They think it will affect them, so they’re against it. We’re well and truly fracked.

Zaggs on November 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Haven’t taxes already been raised on “The Rich” with ObamaCare??

Buy Danish on November 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM

If we could trade marginal tax-rate increases for real cuts in spending and actual entitlement reform that would end the long-term problems in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, I’d take that trade, if somewhat reluctantly. This poll shows that Americans still have not come to grips with the scope and size of the problem … or even basic math.

Never. Going. To. Happen. (as long as liberal democrats are any part of the federal government)

Rovin on November 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Funny he didn’t feel the same way when he was pushing for Obamacare.

steebo77 on November 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM

That depends entirely on how you define “listen to those who sent us here to serve.”

SWalker on November 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Confirmed, we’re being enslaved by the stupidest people in our nation.

$220 trillion in uncovered liabilities can’t be taxed away at any rate.

Bishop on November 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Confirmed, we’re being enslaved by the stupidest people in our nation.

$220 trillion in uncovered liabilities can’t be taxed away at any rate.

Bishop on November 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Don’t be silly… Obviously the Rich 1% have that much stuffed under their mattresses… o_O

SWalker on November 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

THE RICH LOVE THIS INCREASE. They can keep the upper middle class from using all their perks.

Mormontheman on November 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

The only broad consensus for action is the populist tax-hike option which will solve less than 10% of the problem

It will solve none of the problem. They already have plans to spend that money on new programs.

Just say no to class warfare and meaningless tax increases that will do nothing to address the issue at hand.

xblade on November 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Obama has already floated his intent to take away charitable tax deductions. How else can you force everyone to be dependent upon the mighty state?
I predict the Catholic Church will be among the first on his hit list. Why? Two reasons; Because faux messiah and socialists cannot tolerate either competition, or dogmatic truth coming from any source but themselves. Secondly, atheistic systems aren’t neutral (You are either with Me or against Me), but loathe God and all those things He requires of us. Remember that anti-God Democratic convention?

Don L on November 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Six in ten favor raising taxes on $250K+ households for fiscal-cliff solution

Please, just stop calling them “millionaires”. It appears six in ten Americans have given up and given in to class warfare. They sadly believe they will never be successful in life.

L.I.B.

Do not continue ANY of the Bush tax cuts. There just aren’t enough taxpayers to feed the Obama/Democratic beast.

Fallon on November 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM

THE 53% have no skin in the game. they have obamas stash as a back up.

black friday broke records, how much ya wanna bet christmas will also see a continuation of the spending orgy.

renalin on November 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM

WAPO/ABC Poll? That says enough about the bias and ignorance of what makes our economy work! Only inside the Beltway can one rationalize the efficacy of passing that POS legislation!

tomshup on November 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM

B.S. Where was this poll done? New York City?

Susanboo on November 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM

If we could trade marginal tax-rate increases for real cuts in spending and actual entitlement reform that would end the long-term problems in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, I’d take that trade, if somewhat reluctantly.

Ed, you squish. There is no way a 2012/13 ‘grand compromise’ will constrain future congresses from raising spending.

Try again.

socalcon on November 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Liberal indoctrination and propganda bears fruit.

Let them have what they want. People must feel the full brunt of liberalism before they can even begin to understand how destructive it is.

darwin on November 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

A tiny percentage of people who pay 86% of all taxes are NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE according to the 47% who pay NO TAXES.Those figure are wealth redistribution in a nutshell. Any further taxes on the 86% payers will distort these figures even further and literally kill the goose who lays the golden egg.

MaiDee on November 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

“You can fool some of the people all of the time…” – A. Lincoln.

Obama and the democrats are good at this. Unfortunately, “some” ends up being a majority.

Welcome to serfdom.

sadatoni on November 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Alternate headline:

Only four in ten understand macroeconomics.

blink on November 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

The number of people who actually do understand macroeconomics is probably way less than four in ten. Some of the people being polled probably just didn’t understand the question.

UltimateBob on November 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Regardless of whether that’s a good idea, I think one of the most dishonest parts of it is how the Dems keep saying “millionaires must pay their fair share”, yet they’re going to dump on families making $250K+, most of whom are solidly middle-class and nowhere near being millionaires. (I admit I don’t have a link to prove this; it’s just a feeling.)

KS Rex on November 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

If a small increase is good, a large one would be better. Tax them at 75%.

forest on November 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I notice you used the pronoun THEM, not US??

If men should not be allowed to comment on abortion …
If whites should not be allowed to comment on racism …

Why should someone making 50k, or nothing and living on the government entirely, be allowed to comment about tax rates for 250K+??

MarkCasper on November 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Our messaging sucks. We need to take out ads, target gen x&y, women, dolts in media. Explain how raising taxes covers debt payments for all of 8 freaking days; Explain how their jobs are at risk as businesses cut staff or go out of business. Scare the hell out of them with the truth. Make it clear their jobs are on the line, not someone somewhere who isn’t them. This should not be difficult. Even Paul Ryan does poor job of explaining this. When they talked about cuts to Medicare to fund ObamaCare they were never explicit in what this did, how it cut funding to hospitals, directly harmed seniors. Talking about debt left to our children is just so much blah blah blah. It doesn’t register.

Buy Danish on November 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM

The country voted for a European-style welfare state. Fine. It’s time that it got European-style tax rates to pay for it.

Resist We Much on November 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

WooHoo! That would mean I retired 5 years ago. I’ve got some catching up to do!

tomg51 on November 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM

The GOP would be smart to comprimise, holding the line at tax raises on 250K, but allow them on $500k, and then put a really high rate (like 50% or 70%) on incomes over $2M (which is far more injurious to limousine liberals

SAMinVA on November 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Liberals convinced enough people that raising taxes on people making over 200k or families over 250k (which is not much where I live), will solve their problems with little to no pain to themselves. Easy sell.

NJ worked this way for years before Christie.

Dash on November 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM

I’m prepared to accept that 6/10 people in this country are dumbasses. I wonder how many of those six could correctly tell you the effective federal tax rate on somebody making $250K/yr

SAMinVA on November 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

No really, we’re screwed. Sow & reap, so L. I. B.

conservative pilgrim on November 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

I don’t think this is an impossible battle for the Republicans to win, although they’ll have to do it in spite of the media. Just demand the appropriate level of cuts to the most treasured Democratic programs.

The Democrats depend on lots and lots of government spending. That makes them vulnerable. If they find out they can’t raise taxes witout cutting their own throats, they will cave quickly.

As for tax cuts, either keep them all or throw them all out. We already have 47% of the country paying no income taxes. The tax code is already as progressive as it can be made. Any more progressive, and you might as well put saddles on the backs of the people in the top market, because you just gave the majority of the country to right to demand someone else pay all their bills.

tom on November 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

and O ended his speech by community organizing his followers…asking them to not only post to their representatives social media pages but to get their friends and family to do the same.

Oivey

CoffeeLover on November 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Not hard to understand, Ed – with the “tax the rich only” strategy, those polled perceive it as potentially helping them while only affecting “the rich”, while deduction reform would necessarily affect a large portion of the middle class.

Sadly, most have no problem availing themselves of other people money, when it benefits then. However, when it starts to affect their pocketbook, the poll numbers reverse.

It’s not about what’s best for the country, is about what’s best for ME-ME-ME.

spinach.chin on November 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Why should someone making 50k, or nothing and living on the government entirely, be allowed to comment about tax rates for 250K+??

MarkCasper on November 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Because we’re a majority. Let’s make it 80%.

forest on November 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I’m shocked, 60% of people want to raise taxes, raise someone elses taxes.

Kat_man on November 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The tax code before Bush was better. Bush was the original Santa Claus. He jacked up the refundable credits and left us with fewer and fewer people paying any taxes. I would trade higher marginal rates on upper income taxpayers for reductions in credits to lower end taxpayers. The reason: people will not vote for Santa Claus if they fell they are an elf working all year to make the toys, and not Cindy Lou Who getting a slice of roast beast.

Ted Torgerson on November 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

This is the Obama Economy hitting the fiscal cliff… Any questions?

SWalker on November 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Just got back from my favorite bar. I asked how many would favor Ed Morrissey buying everyone a round of drinks. 90% were in favor of it. The other 10% wanted to know who is Ed Morrissey. OK Ed! Time to pay up!

dhugh on November 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Yeah, except that it’s no solution. Doesn’t even come close to being able to say it that it doesn’t even come close, but it should be done anyway so that we can proceed to CUTTING THE DAMN SPENDING!!

HiJack on November 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM

What is so “surprising” about these results?

Obama and his team of spin masters have done a helluva job selling this “theme” for months. It doesn’t make economic sense (not even considering the glaring equal protection violations inherent in the tax code to start with, no matter what the Supremes say about it – not the singing group, the court), but it doesn’t matter.

What makes sense does not matter in this climate. When will we get that through our thick skulls? What matters is message and marketing. That’s it. Nothing else.

The Republican party blows at both. Obama excels at both.

At governing? No. He’s an unmitigated disaster. But, guess what? Most people have no idea of how bad it is, and he is, because that message is being drowned out by his machine’s message and the public’s eyes are being constantly dazzled by his glittering smile.

Goodness, even the standard-bearer of the Republicans, before being whipped and sent to bed without his presidency, Mitt Romney, bought the line that BHO is basically a nice, endearing fellow.

That is insanity. To quote someone with far more insight, Clint Eastwood, Barack Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetuated upon the American people.

And so long as we treat him as anything else, as a misguided fellow who’s really trying and doing his best, we are buying more snake oil. To be “surprised” that others are also buying snake oil is the height of ignorance. It’s staggering to the mind to see how blinded even the opposition has become to the true nature of this man and those who continue to prop him up, soak up his BS, and hail him as their Messiah.

IndieDogg on November 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

The poll sampling reveals all respondents have incomes less than $50,000. /sarc

voiceofreason on November 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Dear GOP:

Have Obama submit his plan for a vote, and vote yes for everything he asks for. He owns it 100% from then on. Your going to get blamed for anything that happens no matter what you hold the line on or compromise on.

From that point on just keep pointing out the systemic failures that will inevitably occur.

Inflation?…oh that was Obamas plan
Deficits?….of that was Obamas plan
Recession?….oh that was Obamas plan
Unemployment…oh that was Obamas plan

Get it???…

We had nothing to do with it.

PatriotRider on November 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Let it burn. And watch a ton of these guys go John Galt.

dczombie on November 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM

And I favor every politician getting zero salary, benefits, pension/retirement, and basically working for free. And no vacations. And they have to live in their offices, answer their own phones and email, and they can only eat peanut butter sandwiches for as long as they are in office. Whee! It’s fun to say what happens to other people!

DrMagnolias on November 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Higher taxes! All problems solved! Democrats are geniuses!

tom daschle concerned on November 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Oh goodie!

And, for all you Tea Partiers out there who oppose this!

Well, a certain Lib radio vomiteer wants you BEHEADED!!

is this a great Country or what!!??

ToddPA on November 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Respectfully, this post, and the entire conversation concedes the battlefield before it starts, and does so only by ignoring plain and simple history. There has been NO time when increasing taxes (or gov’t revenue, if you want to buy that phrase) has been done solely to make up the existing difference between spending and revenues. No one on the other side is talking about any real reduction.

We do not need to “give” more money to leviathan. Increasing the amount taxes through whatever means will NEVER be applied against a steady or decreasing spending curve. The conversation should instead be about getting leviathan to reduce its spending.

Unfortunately, by accepting the “we need to find new revenues” approach, the opportunity to explain to the American people what the real problem is — constantly increasing spending by gov’t at all levels — is never taken. Until someone on the right side of the spectrum (and I’ve given up on the Republican party to be truly conservative) starts to explain, in a way that connects with voters, that throwing more money into gov’t is just like feeding a junkie more heroin, we will inexorably move more and more to Britain in the late 70s, when earned income was taxed at up to 88% and a surplus of 15% was applied to “unearned” income.

FiveG on November 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

The only broad consensus for action is the populist tax-hike option which will solve less than 10% of the problem

Without reading the details or the other comments, I thought such tax hikes would take care of WAY LESS THAN 10%. Like $70 billion a year on a $1.5 trillion debt, or around 5%. So that leaves 95%. And it will slow down the economy, and small business will pass their losses through greater taxes onto consumers.

And we have a President who ran on taxing the rich being a big deal, and a big help with the deficit? Our President is a bald-faced liar, and he knows he’s a liar. To use his own words, what a horrid and complete “failure of leadership”.

He’s always worked to be in a position to blame others for failures. Soon it will become a theater of the absurd of Obama pointing the finger of blame at others. Four years, an additional $6 trillion in debt, and associated interest payments, own it.

Obama and his supporters think there’s some big pie to cut up and pass around to everyone? They look around and see nice things and think, “I want some of that for myself and my loved ones. We deserve it”. Good luck with that. Let’s see how that goes in the next 4 years.

Paul-Cincy on November 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM

1 Increased taxes NEVER go to pay down the debt or balance budgets. Instead they go for pork projects and to extend and increase government jobs and payrolls and welfare benefits-making ever more dependent on ever less.
2 Increased taxes at the 250,000 will stifle big business growth resulting in LESS revenue and FEWER jobs.
3 Increased taxes in a recession causing LESS revenue, MORE unemployment and FEWER employers is the kerosine needed to ignite a DEPRESSION.
4 Add additional seasoning to this bilious stew-Obamacare,environmental harassment and other over regulation and you have the North American equivaqlent of Greece.

MaiDee on November 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Dear GOP:

Have Obama submit his plan for a vote, and vote yes for everything he asks for. He owns it 100% from then on. Your going to get blamed for anything that happens no matter what you hold the line on or compromise on.

From that point on just keep pointing out the systemic failures that will inevitably occur.

Inflation?…oh that was Obamas plan
Deficits?….of that was Obamas plan
Recession?….oh that was Obamas plan
Unemployment…oh that was Obamas plan

Get it???…

We had nothing to do with it.

Screw you for not standing up for smaller government and notfighting the Dems for their ruining this country. FIFY
PatriotRider on November 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM

HiJack on November 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Dear GOP:

Have Obama submit his plan for a vote, and vote yes for everything he asks for. He owns it 100% from then on. Your going to get blamed for anything that happens no matter what you hold the line on or compromise on.

From that point on just keep pointing out the systemic failures that will inevitably occur.

Inflation?…oh that was Obamas plan
Deficits?….of that was Obamas plan
Recession?….oh that was Obamas plan
Unemployment…oh that was Obamas plan

Get it???…

We had nothing to do with it.

PatriotRider on November 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM

SURE. And next congress has 400 democrats. Good job.

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WryTrvllr on November 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM

WaPo poll? Yeah ok. They are full of crap.

80 Billion? How much did Emperor Zero piss away on fake green energy loans?

This BS poll and story are intended to pressure the GOP to roll over.

dogsoldier on November 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Bring the pain!! An election with an uninformed public having 47% or more wanting free stuff did not work. Untill those types feel some personal pain and can’t run out on Black Friday to buy big screen TVs, shoes and other goodies with their gubmint checks then they won’t care how much the makers are robbed (taxed) of their hard earned money.

Let it burn!! Us makers will survive and rebuild.

I would suggest moving to a heavily red state if you already don’t live in one. It will be easier to get through it all.

If the pain doesn’t wake enough people up, then the only answer will be divorce.

Rockshine on November 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I like this:

“Fine. It will fail. And then the argument will be to raise them even more. And it will fail. Indeed, it will produce perverse results. And then the argument will be to raise them further. Marxism is very monotonous. And Conservatism is very gutless.”

I, unfortunately, predicted Romney would lose (check my older posts, if it’s even possible). And 1 of the most infuriating things about the Tea Party, was that most (not all), but most of them would not allow changes to Medicare/Old Age entitlements as well

80B a year, on a 1.3 T (Yes that’sa Trillion) dollar DEFICIT a YEAR… I already have low expectations, but this takes the cake.

Just bought another 8.000 worth of gold/silver this morning, it’s all but unavoidable now.

I guess, allowing the Left to conquer the schools, forced unionization of all government employes, sealed the doom of the republic (and canada) long term, with only small bumps in the road on the way (Reaganism/ Thatcherism).

I ONLY hope that Congress lets ALL the taxes rise, lets Obamacare through, let the people expereince the CONSEQUENCES of their Bad choices…

L.I.B

JMG

Gauthijm on November 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

So we’ve confirmed 6/10 Americans have a combined income of less than $250,000/yr.

I wonder what the results would have been if respondents were asked if THEIR taxes should raised.

heretic on November 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM

The land is full of fools.

Middle class hardest hit. Obama hates the middle class and will destroy it.

Schadenfreude on November 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM

This poll shows that Americans still have not come to grips with the scope and size of the problem … or even basic math.

i blame the lsm for that….if they actually reported the issues we probably would be getting ready for a romney administration

cmsinaz on November 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Schadenfreude on November 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Any R who doesn’t contest when idiots on the left call taxes “revenue” should instantly combust.

Schadenfreude on November 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Screw you for not standing up for smaller government and notfighting the Dems for their ruining this country. FIFY
PatriotRider on November 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM

HiJack on November 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM

I argued that position on the headline thread. The GOP must fight this.

Would the dems roll over, or would they fight dirty?

GOP – time to take of the gloves.

dogsoldier on November 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM

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