Top Romney strategist: No regrets, baby

posted at 5:11 pm on November 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

People are already tearing this up on Twitter and in the comments to the Headlines item. A few points. One: In which alternate universe was Romney not supported by “D.C.’s green-room crowd”?

I appreciate that Mitt Romney was never a favorite of D.C.’s green-room crowd or, frankly, of many politicians. That’s why, a year ago, so few of those people thought that he would win the Republican nomination. But that was indicative not of any failing of Romney’s but of how out of touch so many were in Washington and in the professional political class. Nobody liked Romney except voters. What began in a small field in New Hampshire grew into a national movement. It wasn’t our campaign, it was Romney. He bested the competition in debates, and though he was behind almost every candidate in the GOP primary at one time or the other, he won the nomination and came very close to winning the presidency.

It was the “green-room crowd” that insisted Romney would be, and had to be, nominated because he was the only guy in the GOP field who was sufficiently well funded, well organized, and moderate to give Obama problems in a general election. And they may have been right; for all his faults, I’m still not convinced that anyone else who ran last year would have done better than Mitt on November 6. Why Stevens feels obliged to ignore that chief credential, his alleged electability, in favor of some bizarre narrative here about a grassroots “movement” of Romneymania slowly building around the candidate, I don’t know. There was nothing resembling a movement until October, after the game-changing debate in Denver and the final frenzy of the campaign gave Republicans new hope that Romney really might find a way to torpedo Hopenchange after all. Before then, people were making jokes like this. In fact, the very truth of what Stevens says about Romney trailing virtually every other candidate in the primary field at one time or another puts the lie to the idea of Romneymania. The reason everyone else, including Herman Cain, did a stint as a frontrunner is because so many grassroots Republicans were loath to nominate the architect of RomneyCare. Eventually he simply outspent and out-organized the competition, and that was that. But let’s not use his own base’s ambivalence towards him for most of the campaign as some sort of testament to his resilience.

Two: I’m not sure what his point is here.

On Nov. 6, Romney carried the majority of every economic group except those with less than $50,000 a year in household income. That means he carried the majority of middle-class voters. While John McCain lost white voters younger than 30 by 10 points, Romney won those voters by seven points, a 17-point shift. Obama received 4½million fewer voters in 2012 than 2008, and Romney got more votes than McCain.

Here’s the data that I assume he’s using, from the national exit poll:

Would you consider a young adult making $40,000 a year “middle class”? If so then, per the data, the claim that Romney won a majority of the “middle class” becomes more complicated. Besides, to suggest that Romney was a hit with the middle class because he won a majority of the 50-99K crowd is misleading. He got utterly destroyed among black and Latino voters of all ages, which makes me think he almost certainly lost the black and Latino middle class by wide margins too. (There were no race/income crosstabs in the national exit poll.) Do these look like numbers you’d expect to see of a candidate who’d been a true winner among middle-class voters?

The split for Obama on that question was 10/44/31 by comparison. My strong suspicion is that Romney won the $50,000+ group because he won big with whites and whites comprise more of that group on balance than they do of the < $50,000 group. And even if I’m totally wrong about all this and Stevens is right, what’s his point? Should the GOP take comfort in having won the middle class if it continues to lose in perpetuity because poorer voters are turning out in higher numbers?

Three, this is awfully ironic: “In the debates and in sweeping rallies across the country, Romney captured the imagination of millions of Americans. He spoke for those who felt disconnected from the Obama vision of America. He handled the unequaled pressures of a campaign with a natural grace and good humor that contrasted sharply with the angry bitterness of his critics.” Why is it ironic? Because it was Stevens, more than any other Romney advisor, who was blamed for being too slow to trumpet Mitt’s warmth and generosity early in the campaign, when Obama was busy defining him as a Gekko-esque ogre to ruinous effect. Remember this Politico piece in early October about Ann and Tagg Romney allegedly staging a “mutiny” over the campaign’s one-note anti-Obamanomics message? Quote:

Chief strategist Stuart Stevens — whom the family held responsible for allowing Romney’s personal side to be obscured by an anti-Obama economic message — has seen his once wide-ranging portfolio “fenced in” to mainly the debates, and the television advertising that is his primary expertise, according to campaign officials. Tagg Romney, channeling his mother’s wishes, is taking a much more active role in how the campaign is run…

In public and private, Ann Romney made no secret of her frustrations. Candidates’ spouses often think the husband or wife is getting a raw deal, and that they are better than the political caricature being drawn. But Ann Romney’s agitation was palpable: She felt the Obama campaign had dishonestly made her husband out to be something he is not, and was eager to see a more forceful response, especially one that played up his humanity. She wanted to humanize her husband; play up his charity; and showcase how in politics, business and life, he has tried to do the right thing, even when it was not popular.

She wanted, in other words, to show off his “natural grace and good humor.” Erick Erickson was hearing complaints about Stevens weeks before that along the same lines: “Frankly, he is the senior strategy guy and the strategy clearly is not working. All you need to know is that the GOP had three nights of prime time television coverage and the people whose kids Mitt Romney helped before they died got speaking slots outside of prime time in a convention designed to make people like Mitt Romney.” Stevens’s op-ed today is titled, “A good man. The right fight.” The real right fight would have emphasized much more heavily that Romney is, in fact, a good man.

Finally, I don’t know what to say about this:

When Mitt Romney stood on stage with President Obama, it wasn’t about television ads or whiz-bang turnout technologies, it was about fundamental Republican ideas vs. fundamental Democratic ideas. It was about lower taxes or higher taxes, less government or more government, more freedom or less freedom. And Republican ideals — Mitt Romney — carried the day.

He carried the day at the first debate, yes. Not so clearly at the other two. But in the wake of Project ORCA turning into the fail whale, how can any campaign vet dismiss “whiz-bang turnout technologies” that blithely? Obama appears to have won because he figured out a way to identify and then deliver droves of “irregular voters” to the polls on election day. Sophisticated data-mining and GOTV techniques were certainly key to that; given all the election fundamentals lined up against him, the fact that he nearly duplicated his electoral-vote take from four years ago makes me wonder if they were, in fact, decisive. Maybe we shouldn’t fault Stevens, Romney’s chief strategist, for overlooking the tech gap, but when the campaign is built on the alleged managerial genius of its candidate, someone has to be faulted. The “green-room crowd” assured us Romney wouldn’t get beat on nuts-and-bolts stuff; that was one of the biggest reasons to nominate him. And yet here we are, with the consolation of Republican ideals to get us through four more years.


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idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

At least he tried..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I look forward to seeing a strong, credible conservative candidate in 2016. But I am not interested in sacrificing electability and going with an unqualified and frankly incompetent sure loser like you know who. I want to see serious candidates like Jindal, McDonnell and others step up their game and seize the moment.

Rubio has fallen down several pegs in my estimation after his apparent expressions of support for illegal alien amnesty.

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

The 2012 ticket also did way better among independents and also
did better among white voters.

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Romney 2016!

I don’t know how many times it has to be explained to you the differences between running against the 2008 mystical cipher of Obama after the national exhaustion with Bush and the 2012 abject failure of Obama. You lost the most winnable election in American history. “Loser” isn’t adequate to encompass the meaning of it all.

rrpjr on November 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Its was Rhino dumb to have Rhino Christie front and center at the convention. He patted himself on his Rhino back didn’t give any Rhino credit to Mitt.

The he Rhinoes himself a nice position by butt munching Barry and dicking over Mitt.

Thats what Rhinos do. They betray you. We tried to warn you.

SparkPlug on November 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I’d like to point out that Paul Ryan did not help the ticket in any way. Not geographically, not electorally, not socially, not with his Catholic faith. VP’s are suppose to fill in the voids found in the nominees portfolio. Paul Ryan brought nothing.

portlandon on November 28, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Point taken.

SparkPlug on November 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I’m done with the Good Old Boy Network.
They fight wars to win hearts and minds not to win!
Palin/ West we need ya to revive the conservative restoration of American values if its not too late four years from now.

ConcealedKerry on November 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

What breaks my little pig heart valve is that all summer many of us were OK with Mitt—or at least viewed him as better than, you know. Repeatedly we kept saying amp it up. But would they listen to us rubes?

arnold ziffel on November 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Also did you NOT see a difference in Romney and Obama??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

At least he tried..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

So did Palin, with a lot better results..:)

Cruz | Fisher | Flake | Hatch

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM

At least he tried..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

A presidential election isn’t the Special Olympics, you don’t get a Participation Medal for just showing up…wait

OK, thinking about it again, maybe IT WAS a lot like the Special Olympics.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:18 PM

just hope its isn’t going to be ‘counter-revolutionaries’ on trail.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:02 PM

and that is the essence of the risk we take by standing up.

If wee don”t do it now for our kids or future kids…

well ..
let me assume for a good nights sleep tonight, that the America I love, is still there.

seesalrun2 on November 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Really??..Can you name any “losers” she backed??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Palin/ West we need ya to revive the conservative restoration of American values if its not too late four years from now.

ConcealedKerry on November 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Any path for SP would have to include some time in Purgatory now. I mean the Senate. Heh. I said Purgatory? I meant the Senate. Anyway, her direct path is probably gone, what with the mines and razor wire.

I don’t think she’s into it anymore. She seems to want to be her own franchise at the moment, sort of America’s First Agitator. Which is a strange role, but she might be custom built for it.

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Also did you NOT see a difference in Romney and Obama??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

What was the difference?

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

*Kind of a national conservative Whip.

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

One thing I will give Sarah Palin. She sure does have a unique appeal to the dumbest 3% of voters in our party. I guess that is something.

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

At least he tried..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

You would see nobility in changing one’s political ideology to get into any given office.

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Also did you NOT see a difference in Romney and Obama??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Of course there was a difference, but Romney was a bad candidate. He only talked about the economy and stayed away from controversial issues such as Benghazi. All Obama had to do is paint him as old rich dude who had no clue about your average American.

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I forgot to list the number 1 reason Romney lost – Sarah Palin (sarc)

I find it amazing that Romney’s hard core acolytes are blaming Sarah Palin for his defeat. I like Sarah Palin, but I still voted for Romney and I believe that both of them are good people. Romney is too much of a big government guy for my tastes, but he would have governed better than Obama. The vile hatred for Sarah is beyond my comprehension.

Fun conspiracy theory – the anti-Palin posters are part of the lawsuit cabal that tried to destroy her.

Ibanez Lotus on November 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Look..I have no problem with whoever the GOP (Ru Paul is the exception) nominated..Bottom line is Romney ran and won the primary..I would have been just as happy casting my vote for Perry, Gingrich ect..ect..That was the ONLY way to get rid of Obie..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

One thing I will give Sarah Palin. She sure does have a unique appeal to the dumbest 3% of voters in our party. I guess that is something.

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

And the smartest! I have documentation.

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Really??..Can you name any “losers” she backed??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Richard Mourdock/Indiana

JPeterman on November 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

You would see nobility in changing one’s political ideology to get into any given office.

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

How would you know??..Romney did not win..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

There is a little thing called a GOP primary..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM

One thing I will give Sarah Palin. She sure does have a unique appeal to the dumbest 3% of voters in our party. I guess that is something.

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

nice little bluegill. And you wonder why people go after you.

Me dum like rok. Me love Sarah.

arnold ziffel on November 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM

IndieDogg on November 28, 2012 at 5:35 PM

At least Stuart didn’t purposely sabotage the campaign. Schmidt and the Wallaces likely did.

bw222 on November 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM

JPeterman on November 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

LoLz..Not that it matters..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:29 PM

arnold ziffel on November 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM

LoLz..Good one..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Really??..Can you name any “losers” she backed??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Mourdock and Sarah Steelman, who would have been a better candidate than Akin..:)

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM

One thing I will give Sarah Palin. She sure does have a unique appeal to the dumbest 3% of voters in our party. I guess that is something.

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Dumbest 3% of our the voters in “our party?” That describes you to a tee.

Anyone who follows HA realizes you are one of the dullest knives in the drawer. “Oh, Mitt is so handsome, so wonderful, so …. I have to vote for him”

bw222 on November 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

LoLz..Not that it matters..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Just stating a little mentioned fact.

JPeterman on November 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Just stating a little mentioned fact.

JPeterman on November 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Mourdock and Sarah Steelman, who would have been a better candidate than Akin..:)

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM

When Palin doesn’t support the most conservative candidate, there’s usually a good reason.

bw222 on November 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

How would you know??..Romney did not win..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

This ideology-morphing would naturally take place before election day for it to have any effect.

Now I will click “Submit Comment.” This can be accomplished by using my hand to move the mouse over the proper button and left clicking.

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Who do we blame for Akin since we are playing the blame game?!!??..:)

PS..Not that it matters..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

One thing I will give Sarah Palin. She sure does have a unique appeal to the dumbest 3% of voters in our party. I guess that is something.

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Me too dumb to comprendo – what does % mean?

Ibanez Lotus on November 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

There is a little thing called a GOP primary..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Too bad mitt wasted all his money trashing fellow Republicans, but saying that Obama was a nice guy..:)

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Dumbest 3% of our the voters in “our party?” That describes you to a tee.

Anyone who follows HA realizes you are one of the dullest knives in the drawer. “Oh, Mitt is so handsome, so wonderful, so …. I have to vote for him”

bw222 on November 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Yeah, bluegill has zero credibility at this point regardless of where you’re coming from.

Dack Thrombosis on November 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Again I ask how do you know what Romney or fill in the ____ for the GOP would have done if they would have won??..:)

PS..I am proud you have mastered the submit key..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Who do we blame for Akin since we are playing the blame game?!!??..:)

PS..Not that it matters..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Akin

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

If Palin had been in the primary, I would have voted for her in a heartbeat. But she wasn’t! She didn’t run.
Had Palin been the nominee, I would have supported her, sent my money to her campaign, done all of the gotv stuff I did for Romney – who was not my first choice, by any stretch of the imagination. But she wasn’t the nominee!
She NEVER got into the game at all! If you cultists have any beef at all – it’s with Sarah herself. She didn’t even get into the game. But you little snots decided to stay home with your principled little butts planted firmly on the couch and SULK because you didn’t get who you wanted. Just like the paulbots and the TruCons.
Well, your little pout got us another four years of a man who just may destroy this country. For that, I consider you all to be no better than the ghetto trash whose votes were bought with free “stuff”. In fact…screw you!
Spare us all your feigned “righteous indignation” and protestations that “only Sarah could have beaten obama.” She didn’t run! So, we’ll never know will we? Perhaps, IF she had run…. But we’ll never know because SHE DIDN’T RUN, you insufferable little snots.

Solaratov on November 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:37 PM

You do understand that Romney was “limited” in what he could do during the GOP primary..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Again I ask how do you know what Romney or fill in the ____ for the GOP would have done if they would have won??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

How do you know what Obama would have done if he had won?

Maybe there is a clue to be found in the past behavior of individuals that could help us here?

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Agreed..But does he deserve all the blame..A lot of folks voted for him in the primary..:(

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM

bluegill on November 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Well, look where the smart set led us — to the delectably electable Mitt Romney.

And what about the ones who warned the Establishment and their Romneybot tools for months, with unerring accuracy as we now know, that Mitt Romney would never win a national election and never defeat a committed Leftist. How dumb were we?

Sorry sister, your candidate lost the most important election in our nation’s history by performing as if he’d stepped out of a 1950s quiz show. Has a national candidate ever so grossly misread his time and his opponent so completely as Mitt Romney did?

I don’t think the “we who don’t like Palin” are going to have much of a say in this business the next time around. Just a feeling.

rrpjr on November 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Maybe there is a clue to be found in the past behavior of individuals that could help us here?

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM

I mainly keyed in on what Romney and Ryan said they would do while campaigning..Obie had 4 years in office..There is/was your clue..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM

But you little snots decided to stay home with your principled little butts planted firmly on the couch and SULK because you didn’t get who you wanted.

Solaratov on November 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM

BS

I along with most Palin supporters voted for Romney, but he lost. DEAL WITH IT!!!

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Did you guys settle/solve this yet?

faraway on November 28, 2012 at 10:46 PM

PS..I am proud you have mastered the submit key..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

lol

you insufferable little snots

Solaratov on November 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM

lol

***grouphug***

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I mainly keyed in on what Romney and Ryan said they would do while campaigning..Obie had 4 years in office..There is/was your clue..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM

And Romney had a stint as governor of Massachusetts as I recall.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:47 PM

You do understand that Romney was “limited” in what he could do during the GOP primary..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Was he also limited in what he could do in the general election?

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Did you guys settle/solve this yet?

faraway on November 28, 2012 at 10:46 PM

lol

lol

***grouphug***

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 10:47 PM

lol

:)

Anti-Control on November 28, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Was he also limited in what he could do in the general election?

idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Actually I thought he did a good job..So I was wrong..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Again I ask how do you know what Romney or fill in the ____ for the GOP would have done if they would have won??..:)
Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

You base all judgement on the candidate’s past legislative record, what they supported, how often they changed positions and how recently, attempts at trickery – like calling taxes “fees” and so on. This helps to establish the trustworthiness of a candidate. Romney’s history in all these areas were considerably worse than the other candidates, despite their other deficiencies.

The bit about the submit button was to head off any other necessary explanations of the blatantly obvious. Looks like you’re still having trouble.

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM

For Rinos it’s Palin and her supporters that got Obama re-elected by not supporting Romney. However, these same Rinos blame Palin supporters and tea party members for losing the Indiana Senate race. Wouldn’t the case be that the Lugar fans who didn’t show up to vote or voted for the democrat candidate are to blame? So the guy is anti-abortion, big deal, they should have voted for him to help gain control of the Senate. It’s not like there was going to be a crucial vote on abortion coming up any time soon. Lugar himself took his ball and went home, refusing to support his primary rival. This happens all the time with moderates. Conservatives must support the moderate, moderates won’t support the conservative.

Ibanez Lotus on November 28, 2012 at 10:53 PM

I along with most Palin supporters voted for Romney, but he lost. DEAL WITH IT!!!
idesign on November 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Exactly. I voted for him. I didn’t dislike him. But I recognized years ago he would never beat a Leftist. In no way was he suited to the task. Pretty obvious, really.

rrpjr on November 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 10:47 PM

That is correct..I think he made a sharp “right” turn..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I didn’t see any of those “fees” during the campaign..:)

PS..Again I am proud you can use the “submit comment” key..That was a big joy for me when I mastered it..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:00 PM

That is correct..I think he made a sharp “right” turn..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM

He did nothing of the sort and the majority of people recognized that. He was talking about keeping Obamacare just weeks before the election so when did this “right turn” take place?

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I didn’t see any of those “fees” during the campaign..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:00 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303933404577503212355280288.html

“The governor believes that what we put in place in Massachusetts was a penalty, and he disagrees with the court’s ruling that the mandate was a tax,” Mr. Fehrnstrom said.

Pressed whether Mr. Romney believes “that you should not call the tax penalty a tax, you should call it a penalty or a fee or a fine,” Mr. Fehrnstrom said, “That’s correct.”

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:02 PM

This from RCP:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html
Look at the results map from Ohio. White rural voters not turning out for the rich Mormon.
I’m telling you all. We lost this race because a significant number of center-right-white voters were prejudiced against Romney. Team Obama’s personal attacks made a difference with some bitter clingers.
This is sickening to conclude and I’ll keep an open mind regarding my hypothesis, but I believe I’ve seen the enemy and they are us.

Randy

williars on November 28, 2012 at 11:03 PM

rrpjr on November 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I should clarify — I did dislike him at one time, but I let it go and accepted he was all we had to stop Obama. I didn’t sulk or sit on my butt. I didn’t meet a single Palin supporter who did. I was a member of O4P of California, and every one that I met totally accepted her decision and vowed to support the nominee. In fact, this was one of the pledges I heard our chairman make and ask all of us to make on one of our first meetings. Our leader was a terrific guy who plunged headlong into the large political battle without a single recrimination. So the rumors or slanders of Palin’s “Cult” or bitter clingers is totally false according to my experiences.

rrpjr on November 28, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I’m telling you all. We lost this race because a significant number of center-right-white voters were prejudiced against Romney. Team Obama’s personal attacks made a difference with some bitter clingers.
This is sickening to conclude and I’ll keep an open mind regarding my hypothesis, but I believe I’ve seen the enemy and they are us.

Randy

williars on November 28, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Those center-right-white voters didn’t vote for Obama so they must hate black folks as well.

Or maybe those center-right-white voters didn’t want to vote for a leftist candidate and it didn’t matter if his name was Obama or his name was Romney…they just didn’t want to vote to expand the welfare state.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:09 PM

PS..Again I am proud you can use the “submit comment” key..That was a big joy for me when I mastered it..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Yeah…uh you did that gag already. C’mon, get that right brain stimulated!

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Majority??!!..I assume you mean the “majority” that voted for Obie..How is/was that better??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:12 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Heh. Besides even that, good Lord I can’t even keep track of all the interviews he said “fees” in when explaining his time as governor.

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Yeah…uh you did that gag already. C’mon, get that right brain stimulated!

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Right..I was the one who led with it in their posts..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Romney said he would get rid of Obiecare as it is written..So how is that working out now?..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Majority??!!..I assume you mean the “majority” that voted for Obie..How is/was that better??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I mean the 75% during the primaries who wanted anyone but Romney, and I mean the majority that voted for someone else, or stayed home in the general. Even many of those who did vote for him did so because they disliked Obama, or out of party loyalty. He was uninspiring in every sense of the word.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Right..I was the one who led with it in their posts..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM

…? Are you drinking?

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Romney said he would get rid of Obiecare as it is written..So how is that working out now?..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:16 PM

And he said he would keep it.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Heh. Besides even that, good Lord I can’t even keep track of all the interviews he said “fees” in when explaining his time as governor.

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Dire obviously wasn’t paying attention during the primaries or the general.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Try again..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:24 PM

And he said he would keep it.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:19 PM

No he didn’t..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:25 PM

In which alternate universe was Romney not supported by “D.C.’s green-room crowd”?

We allow “narratives” to take shape in politics and popular culture that don’t correspond to reality. Then later we sit around wondering why most of the country is ill informed on pretty much anything.

Romney was the elite Washington insider RINO candidate. Except he never served in Washington. Or worked there. or lived there. and all the insiders favored Mcain. and he had hardly any major endorsements during the primary. and he was attacked from the LEFT in the primary. and he moved policy as governor to the RIGHT despite getting whacked with veto over rides.

Where are the facts anywhere that he was the career insider candidate? This was a media narrative straight out of the Boston Globe which people still cant see through 5 years later.

Resolute on November 28, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Only 25% in the Primaries??..I thought it was 38%..But does it matter??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM

No he didn’t..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Romney: I’ll Keep Parts of Obamacare

Though he’s promised to repeal Obamacare as president, Mitt Romney said on Meet the Press Sunday that he’d keep several important parts of the health reform legislation. “Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place,” he said. “One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage.” Romney also said he would allow young adults to keep their coverage under their parents’ health-insurance. “I say we’re going to replace Obamacare. And I’m replacing it with my own plan,” Romney said.

And…

So some similarities, some differences, and I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, repeal the bad and keep the good. – Mitt Romney

Maybe a switching of the names from Obamacare to Romneycare impresses you, but it didn’t impress most others.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:32 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Parts..He would “probably” rewritten the law to keep some parts..But he would have dumped the law as it was written..:)

PS..I did not agree with Romney’s stance on keeping some parts of Obiecare..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Maybe a switching of the names from Obamacare to Romneycare impresses you, but it didn’t impress most others.

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I agree..Those were the folks that voted for Obie right??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:47 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Most Republicans didn’t vote for Obiecare (Including myself)..I hope you were with us??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Exactly. I voted for him. I didn’t dislike him. But I recognized years ago he would never beat a Leftist. In no way was he suited to the task. Pretty obvious, really.

rrpjr on November 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM

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375,000 votes to turn the other way is never ? Winning 24 states of 50 is never?
President Revenge had to use every trick and lie he had to win. And even at the end

You saw who was the better President on Oct. 3rd. The greatest generation is dying of and be replaced daily by a “me” generation.

No R will ever get THAT CLOSE again. that’s what’s obvious,

FlaMurph on November 28, 2012 at 11:59 PM

PS..I did not agree with Romney’s stance on keeping some parts of Obiecare..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM

All I wanted was a bureaucracy staffed with appointments from somewhere other than the rejects list of Jesus Christ, Superstar. Someone sitting on the EPA stack who didn’t look two seconds from declaring themselves Countess Teapot and trying to fill everyone’s glasses, that kind of thing. :)

My dreams . . . they seemed so measured and reasonable at the time.

Axe on November 29, 2012 at 12:02 AM

There’s a pattern here when of GOP outsiders run and / or campaign versus when GOP Upper East / elitist career politicians / Ivy Leaguers run and/ or campaign:

2006: Do-nothings Frist and Hastert and GOP Beltway elite and their ilk following Rove strategery and feeling entitled get trounced.

2008: Beltway elite field career senator from Arizona. GOP Beltway / Ivy League (Noonan, Will, etc) have attack of the vapors because VP candidate not Ivy League, not Beltway elite, not career politician, not filthy rich with predictable results.

2010: Tea Party candidates receiving Palin endorsements, campaigning energy and grass roots support make major gains in the House, establishment senator Bob Bennett (R-UT) primaried out of race. Candidates trash-talked by GOP Beltway establishment (e.g. Karl Rove sabotage vs. “the witch” and notorious Scozzafava endorser Newt Gingrich) less successful.

2012: GOP Beltway / Ivy League / Upper East candidate of substantial wealth selected to represent struggling middle class as do-nothings Boehner and McConnell reliably do nothing as Darryl “I’ve almost got ‘im” Issa’s investigation into Fast and Furious gets postponed and marginalized into oblivion. ABP crowd criticizes Palin’s wealth and success as though somehow unacceptable compared to Romney’s wealth and success thereby amplifying Zero’s Envy Card strategy for him.

Of course there’s also the 1996 “it’s his turn” establishment candidate Bob Dole’s lackluster campaign vs. Billy the Perv…

…. and 1992′s GHW Bush’s Ivy League / GOP establishment “read my lips” candidate who barely campaigned election outcomes.

viking01 on November 29, 2012 at 12:03 AM

No R will ever get THAT CLOSE again. that’s what’s obvious,

FlaMurph on November 28, 2012 at 11:59 PM

What’s obvious is that Romney or anyone like him won’t.

We could have won this in a landslide. Check out Bill Whittle’s recent speech from the Horowitz Retreat. We have to do so little to turn this around it’s embarrassing. The Left is EASILY beatable. The problem is that people like Romney and the rest of the GOP are simply, internally incapable of understanding.

rrpjr on November 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Only 25% in the Primaries??..I thought it was 38%..But does it matter??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Actually it was a little over 50%..But agin does it matter??..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 12:08 AM

My dreams . . . they seemed so measured and reasonable at the time.

Axe on November 29, 2012 at 12:02 AM

lolz..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Thats what Rhinos do. They betray you. We tried to warn you.

SparkPlug on November 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Rinos?

You don’t watch the left closely enough. The oft cited example of the Roman Senate knife job on Hillary is 08 is just one example.

The Dems just get over it like kids who knock each other down jumping in line on the way to lunch.

President Obama won for various reasons. One was the cool and dispassionate Romney Campaign that seemed to buy the Republican notion that everyone is really over President Bush and 2008. That is about the only weakness he had.

My 2012 posts talked about debate(s). I thought the nation could learn. They needed to! Ha Ha Ha

I liked Mitt early and really expected a good debate and election win. I was fooled. Nobody could say what would have happened with another R in the lead slot. Mitt looked good…

IlikedAUH2O on November 29, 2012 at 12:12 AM

375,000 votes to turn the other way is never ? Winning 24 states of 50 is never?
President Revenge had to use every trick and lie he had to win. And even at the end

FlaMurph on November 28, 2012 at 11:59 PM

And if Romney has invited Palin and Ron Paul to the convention instead of the backstabber Chris Christie?

If Romney had maintained some consistency with his new pretend severe conservatism?

If Romney had fought in the second or third debate like he did in the first?

If Romney had shown the same antagonism towards Obama as he did towards Republicans in the primaries?

If Romney had reached out to the Tea Party?

If Romney had fought back while Obama spent months painting him as a cartoon character?

If Romney’s ORCA disaster, or the GOTV effort had been tested, or run by someone other than an incompetent?

Romney could have done a great number of things differently and many of us here were screaming for him to do exactly that.

All of these things were obvious and yet… Romney didn’t do them.

Why?

Why did Romney think Chris Christie was a better bet than Palin?
Why did Romney pull his punches with Obama?
Why was their a top-down approach to the GOTV effort and a secretive untested ORCA system used instead?

Romney was more comfortable with his fellow progressives than with the Tea Party, Paul supporters, Palin supporters who could have been there with the GOTV effort.

He was uncomfortable attacking Obama and the left and yet cheerful at attacking Republicans.

He preferred Christie despite the fatman playing footsies with the left.

Romney heart was with the progressives and that is what lost him the election, and we saw the same thing with John McCain for the same reasons.

Romney has lost before the battle was even joined because he didn’t believe in what he claimed to be fighting for.

sharrukin on November 29, 2012 at 12:16 AM

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 11:32 PM

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SCOTUS stole your thunder on obiecare, or did you forget.

You had no one. The best credentialed and decent man the Rs have had for a candidate in a long time ran.
You have no one for 2016.

Your hollow trash Romney argument is tiresome.

Fantasy candidates never win elections.

FlaMurph on November 29, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Only 25% in the Primaries??..I thought it was 38%..But does it matter??..:)

Dire Straits on November 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Actually it was a little over 50%..But again does it matter??..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Sorry..fixed..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Your hollow trash Romney argument is tiresome.

Those are his own words, genius.

Fantasy candidates never win elections.

FlaMurph on November 29, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Neither does Romney.

sharrukin on November 29, 2012 at 12:22 AM

No apologies, no kissing up to the left, no to illegals taking over.
DeMint/West….neither would back down. & Christie won’t be talking at the convention.

Belle on November 29, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Neither does Romney.

sharrukin on November 29, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Will one or both of you take a look at something other than Romney’s miscues and how unbeatable PalinChristiePaulNewtHuntsmanPerryCainSantorum may have been?

And don’t call it an easy election just because the administration is a wild west train wreck.

The Republicans wrecked the train and Wall Street stole the safe!

Jobs? Why President O saved the railroad jobs and killed Jesse Osama.

It wasn’t an easy election when people don’t want jobs and don’t care if a leader fails. As long as he is trrrryyyyiiiinnnnggg! Whah!

This country turned out for our president like it was their freaking OCCUPATION in some areas.

We have a corrupt and lying media.

We have a victim culture of men raised by their moms who think losing and being cuddled is the norm.

Yea, they will go for a woman with a machine gun who shoots wolves fro the air. Right.

Hitting this on ideology wastes everyone’s time.

Think.

IlikedAUH2O on November 29, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Romney has lost before the battle was even joined because he didn’t believe in what he claimed to be fighting for.

sharrukin on November 29, 2012

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Yeah, That’s exactly what those 65 million dumbocrat voters were thinking. Weak on policy. And he had horses.

Good luck in 2016.

Clinton 45.

FlaMurph on November 29, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Hitting this on ideology wastes everyone’s time.

Think.

IlikedAUH2O on November 29, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Consider this. Those who vote for a living aren’t going to vote away that paycheck. So why pander to them?

Why not go for the millions of voters who don’t even bother to show up for the freakshow?

The Republicans wrecked the train and Wall Street stole the safe!

Yes they did, and yet it’s Thurston Howell the III who gets nominated. How was that ever going to appeal?

The votes are there, but it requires someone with credibility to get them and a progressive like Romney has none. We need a conservative who will really make the cuts and explain conservatism because liberal-lite isn’t cutting it.

sharrukin on November 29, 2012 at 12:45 AM

sharrukin on November 29, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Who do have in mind that can get those votes??..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Who do have in mind that can get those votes??..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 12:49 AM

There isn’t much left in the Republican Party, but Demint maybe, or Rand Paul.

sharrukin on November 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM

nice little bluegill. And you wonder why people go after you.

Me dum like rok. Me love Sarah.

arnold ziffel on November 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM

No moran its roc. MOAR SARA!

kim roy on November 29, 2012 at 12:57 AM

sharrukin on November 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM

C’mon we have a deep bench..:)

Dire Straits on November 29, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I feel some sympathy for those of you who looked at Romney and thought he was OK. People who have watched for years knew he was a fake conservative and a stiff. The people who stayed home are the ones who saw through the facade and noted his utter lack of conviction leadership qualities. He had nothing to campaign on because he believes nothing that resonates with his base. No one would march behind him anywhere. The people he needed the most, who he had either ignored or insulted, just smiled and cleaned the garage on Election Day, as predicted here for months. People will turn out for a fake if he is a leader but not an unconvincing stiff.

SurferDoc on November 29, 2012 at 1:39 AM

portlandon on November 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM

He’s still drinking.

HerneTheHunter on November 29, 2012 at 4:22 AM

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