Why not real tax reform?

posted at 12:11 pm on November 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Thanksgiving and Christmas aren’t the only holiday seasons that will expire at the end of the year.  While the Obama administration and the Republicans both talk about protecting the middle class from the fiscal cliff, all sides have kept mum about the soon-to-expire payroll tax holiday.  This rebate on Social Security withholding was first implemented as a bipartisan economic stimulus, coming from the lack of a resolution on the same dispute over tax rates that Democrats and Republicans are fighting now.  Its expiration will cost workers — mostly from the working- and middle-class ranks — about $1000 a year.

Sam Stein at the Huffington Post notices the silence from the White House on a stimulus policy it once bragged about owning:

For the past two years, U.S. workers have enjoyed a 2 percentage-point increase in take-home pay thanks to a payroll tax reduction trumpeted by lawmakers as an effective lift for a sagging economy. Come Dec. 31, that cut will expire — and policymakers don’t seem too upset about it.

In a victory for the Obama administration during the lame duck session of 2010, Congress reduced the payroll tax rate from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent, giving the average U.S. household an additional $1,000 per year. Democrats demanded an additional extension at the end of 2011, and while Republicans initially balked, the political repercussions of hiking taxes on struggling families proved too much to bear.

Now facing another deadline, the White House has gone almost completely quiet on one of its favorite stimulus policies. In a report released Monday morning, the administration warned that middle-class families will pay thousands more in taxes next year unless Republicans relented on income tax breaks for the rich. But the report didn’t mention the soon-to-expire payroll tax cut.

That’s not to say we should mourn its passing, as I argue at The Week today, and there are good reasons why the White House wants to remain mum on its expiration.  As a stimulus, it flopped, and as fiscal policy, it was even worse:

Both sides sold the payroll tax holiday as an economy-stimulating policy. As such, though, it simply followed the failures of Barack Obama’s Making Work Pay weekly tax rebate and George Bush’s lump-sum tax rebate. The numbers involved, about $20 per week, hardly constitute an incentive for spending freely. In the first year of this particular holiday season, personal consumption expenditures (PCE) increased by 3.1 percent (annualized) in the first quarter, but then only rose 1.0 percent, 1.7 percent, and 2.0 percent in subsequent 2011 quarters. In the year prior to this policy’s enactment, PCE grew at more than 2.5 percent each quarter, hitting 4.1 percent in the final quarter before Congress passed this particular stimulus. It’s possible to argue that these 2011 numbers might have been worse without the tax holiday, but it’s impossible to argue that it led to resurgent economic growth.

Furthermore, this “holiday” comes with a price. The money comes out of the Social Security Fund’s revenue stream, which already doesn’t produce enough income to cover outgoing expenditures. This stimulus measure is aptly named, as it provides a “holiday” from fiscal sense in a program that is already on the road to insolvency, if not as quickly as Medicare. At least in principle, this tax cut doesn’t keep funds from the government — it takes it from the retirement funds of the taxpayers themselves, just as if the money had come out of a 401(k) account.

Instead of creating gimmicky economic policy like Making Work Pay or the payroll-tax holiday, though, we should be aiming at real tax reform — especially since both parties can benefit from it, as well as investors, workers, and everyone else:

If the same Congressional leadership that exists today had taken a reform-minded approach to the tax system in 2010 to resolve the standoff on tax rates, we could not only have avoided at least two more standoffs on the problem, but also have created the kind of investor confidence that would have brought real and long-lasting economic growth. Congress and the White House could have wrung much more of the short-term gimmicks from both the personal and corporate tax systems, restoring the ability of capital holders to price risk more clearly, and create jobs that will improve revenues organically rather than confiscating more of the capital needed to expand the economy.

What form will that take?  Democrats these days talk about the need to return to the Clinton-era tax rates, but Jackie Leo reminds us that we’d also be better off with Clinton-era spending, too:

Toward the end of his second term, Clinton came up with major policy reforms that worked, including tax cuts.  He lowered the capital gains tax rate to 20 percent from 28 percent, and increased the death tax exemption to $1 million ($2.8 million today) from $600,000.

More importantly, he cut spending, starting with a welfare system that kept people locked in poverty instead of moving up and out of it. Clinton had his eye on economic growth and knew what it took to have a shared prosperity. We can get there again if Congress and the President do the right thing.

Yes, that’s the real long shot.


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Scr3w tax reform.

L.I.F.B. and pronto

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Where’s the fork? somebody find the fork and apply as needed.

DanMan on November 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I am all in favor of comprehensive tax reform, but it’s too complicated an issue to try and make it part of the “fiscal cliff” deal.

There isn’t enough time to get the details hammered out. We’re probably better off putting it aside until we have some more conservative leadership anyway.

UltimateBob on November 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Thankfully I’ll only have to do this a couple more times (unless, of course, I’m right on a 2-year extension being part of Le Grande Compromise Part Deux) – as far as the SocSecurity “Trust Funds” are concerned, the 2-point reduction in FICA/SECA never happened.

Instead, a worse scenario happened – money was borrowed on the general revenue credit line to replace what was foregone in the 2-year holiday, so that the “Trust Funds” could “survive” just as long as it would have without the holiday. To put it another way, the Treasury Department borrowed money on the open bond market so it could borrow money from SocSecurity.

Steve Eggleston on November 27, 2012 at 12:27 PM

“Tax Reform” didn’t win the election. “Finance our spending through a ‘balanced’ combination of tax hikes and unicorn farms (but mostly unicorn farms” won the election.

Real tax reform would mean forcing the bottom 47% of filers to start actually paying some taxes as they once did. Bush’s “compassionate” tax cuts (& credits) for the middle class pretty much screwed us on that end. Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube.

SAMinVA on November 27, 2012 at 12:27 PM

It’s possible to argue that these 2011 numbers might have been worse without the tax holiday, but it’s impossible to argue that it led to resurgent economic growth.

Why are we even having that argument. Having that argument is saying that the government is entitled to that money to begin with. Since when is letting people keep more of their money a bad thing?

weaselyone on November 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Do you think Mitt Romney might have won (or had a better shot of winning beyond the margin of cheating) had he campaigned on replacing the current demoralizing, labor-intensive, confusing, and unfair tax system with a simple consumption or flat tax?

Just ONE big idea like this is likely all that was needed … but, God forbid we nominate someone who would take a stand against the status quo.

ShainS on November 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You want tax reform? It doesn’t get any more reformational than the Fair Tax. Hits the rich in their wallets and provides a guaranteed rebate for the truly impoverished. No more loopholes, no more 47 percenters. Everybody has “skin in the game” as the president once pretended to care about. The bill’s been sitting in Congress for a decade. Pass the damn thing and spare us the drama. If our political “leaders” don’t do something meaningful, this crap is all we’re going to hear about for the next four years.

RobertE on November 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Why not just let the Obama tax rates expire – all of them?

Most of the Republicans in Congress were not there when these tax rates were enacted. Why not let them revert back and then claim the fiscal high ground? They still will not produce enough revenue to close the deficit, but this will then throw the ball back in the Democrats’ court to cut spending.

If these little tax reductions have done nothing to stimulate the economy, it’s pretty hard to argue that a little tax increase is going to wreck the economy.

But in return, let’s demand that we roll back spending to 2007 levels. Nothing that the Democrat-controlled Congress and Barack Obama have enacted are popular enough to save.

rockmom on November 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

It would be nice to know which vaunted economists predicted the “payroll tax holiday” would stimulate the economy. Regardless of which political side they come from, they should be seen as generally unreliable and unworthy of council.

And I suspect that the biggest reason Democrats don’t like tax “reform” is because it takes away the opportunity for special interest tax breaks; eliminating loopholes and deductions makes is much more difficult to transfer taxpayer money or burden to or from preferred corporations and causes.

BKeyser on November 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Thanks for finally posting AllahPundit’s pic

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

You want tax reform? It doesn’t get any more reformational than the Fair Tax. Hits the rich in their wallets and provides a guaranteed rebate for the truly impoverished. No more loopholes, no more 47 percenters. Everybody has “skin in the game” as the president once pretended to care about. The bill’s been sitting in Congress for a decade. Pass the damn thing and spare us the drama. If our political “leaders” don’t do something meaningful, this crap is all we’re going to hear about for the next four years.

RobertE on November 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Funny, my liberal husband and I were talking about the tax/spending issues this morning. He described what he thinks a fair tax reform should look like. I told him, “you just described the Fair Tax.” Now, he is a bit more intelligent than most liberals, but still it made sense to him and he really did think it was the fairest plan.

rockmom on November 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Barky and ried aren’t interested in solving ANYTHING. Cloward-piven full speed ahead. 8 years with no budget. All they money in to gubmint possible, and all of it out, and as much as you can borrow out as well.

wolly4321 on November 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM

And I suspect that the biggest reason Democrats don’t like tax “reform” is because it takes away the opportunity for special interest tax breaks; eliminating loopholes and deductions makes is much more difficult to transfer taxpayer money or burden to or from preferred corporations and causes.

BKeyser on November 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Democrats are generally economic illiterates. They don’t understand enough about the tax code we have now to even game it like that. They simply know Republicans don’t like tax increases, Bill Clinton increased tax rates and everyone loves Bill Clinton, so they are for tax increases.

rockmom on November 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

The GOP needs to quit talking and pass a bill through the House (where all tax bills must originate) that broadens the base, reduces entitlement spending, retains many of the sequester cuts, and will avert a fight over the debt limit. If Obama and Reid fail to act, the American public needs to know it is them who are at fault.

Tater Salad on November 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Why not real tax reform?

Ask Big Bird.

forest on November 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Corporate taxes 0%. Cut taxes on upper income. Increase taxes on lower brackets so everyone plays at least SOMETHING.

nazo311 on November 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Why not real tax reform?

Idiots.

Obama is only interested in winning 2014. Nothing else. Nothing.

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Because rich liberals in general and the Hollywoodenheads in particular live on all the loopholes. If they were to all vanish overnight and a truly aggressive attack made on offshore bank accounts, they’d go into pure blind panic.

MelonCollie on November 27, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Since the right-wing media bubble ignores or downplays any good economic news, here’s my public service for today:

Reports Signal Lift in U.S. Economy
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: November 27, 2012
WASHINGTON — American companies in October increased their orders of machinery and equipment that signal investment plans by the largest amount in five months, a hopeful sign for future economic growth.

Two other indicators out on Tuesday — private surveys of home prices and consumer confidence — rose briskly, more signs of optimism. Consumer confidence rose in November to its highest level in almost five years, the Conference Board said.

Americans were more optimistic because, the survey found, they saw the job market getting better. Employers added 171,000 jobs in October and more jobs were created in August and September than first thought.

In the Commerce Department report, economists called the rebound in orders in the business investment category encouraging but said that business would remain cautious until Congress and the Obama administration reach a budget deal.

“We don’t anticipate any marked turnaround until Congress gets its act together and reaches an agreement,” said Paul Ashworth, chief United States economist at Capital Economics. He said if a deal is reached either late this year or early in 2013, “then we would expect to see something of a rebound in business investment as firms give the green light to projects put on hold in the second half of this year.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/business/economy/report-signals-lift-in-business-spending.html?ref=business&_r=0

The world economy is likely still going to be a drag in the next year, but there’s a lot of reason for optimism in the U.S.

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Barack Obama cares nothing about the national debt. All he is concerned about is getting some more spending money. Don’t fall for the charade.

supersport667 on November 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

DOUBLE ALL TAX RATES and start taxing social security (regardless of additional income), medicare, medicaid, food stamps, Obamaphones, you name it.

The country voted for a European-style welfare state. Fine. It’s time that it got European-style tax rates to pay for it.

Eliminating the Bush tax rate cuts on the top 2% will raise about $80 billion per year. THAT’S IT.

The “We can have all of this and get the ‘evil rich’ to pay for it” BS that Obama the Medicine Man sold to the country needs to be exposed for the cr@p that it is. Time to belly up to the bar and pay the tab. From now on, pay first, drink later.

It’s time that EVERYONE put some skin in the game… including Peggy Joseph and the Obamaphone woman.

If Americans want a big government, make them pay for it. We’ll see just how big of a government they really want. I suspect that we will find that they want a much smaller government once they are on the hook for the taxes needed to support it. Right now, they believe that they can have a free lunch and stick the “evil rich” with the tab. Unfortunately for the clueless, there aren’t enough “evil rich” people to pay for the lunch to which the moochers believe they are entitled.

Resist We Much on November 27, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The numbers involved, about $20 per week, hardly constitute an incentive for spending freely.

AGAIN: Boosting aggregate demand will have ZERO EFFECT on real growth in our economy. Let’s go full out keynes: no taxes. Just fund our govt completely through deficit spending. We will still not see REAL growth. Wherever form “stimulus” takes, it is still not real growth. Real growth is when people invest real money (savings) in to real businesses, which create a real product / service that people want more efficiently then was previously available.

Debt / “tax credits,” “tax rebates” etc etc are not growth, and in fact hinder growth when when the money to fund said credits and rebates (which are not to be confused with tax rate cuts) is borrowed or, worse, printed (ie fed reserve buying t-bonds, which is who is buying most of our t-bonds right now)

THIS is why we have a boom and bust economy. Supply-side and Demand-side Keynesians.

Timin203 on November 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Corporate taxes 0%. Cut taxes on upper income. Increase taxes on lower brackets so everyone plays at least SOMETHING.

nazo311 on November 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Exactly. Corporate taxes are a myth. You can’t tax a corporation, only people. A corporate tax means either 1) goods / services are more expensive 2) employees are paid less 3) investors see a lower ROI. Either way, real PEOPLE pay the tax, not a “corporation.” Zero out corporate tax, put all income tax rates at a straight 10% payroll deduction on top of the stupid FICA deduction, and whatever revenue comes in is what the government gets to spend. Nothing more. Watch real economic growth explode.

Or we could continue on our current path, which seems to be working well.

Timin203 on November 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM

And I suspect that the biggest reason Democrats don’t like tax “reform” is because it takes away the opportunity for special interest tax breaks; eliminating loopholes and deductions makes is much more difficult to transfer taxpayer money or burden to or from preferred corporations and causes.

BKeyser on November 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

This! 1000 times this!

And not just Democrats, GOP too… all politicians. Making the tax code simple, without the loopholes and tax breaks and havens and carve-outs, will take away the politician’s key method of giving hand outs to the corporations, unions, and special interests (via their intermediaries, the lobbysits). It’s what helps fund their campaigns and get them re-elected. They will never voluntarily slaughter that milk cow, and since they are the ones who make the rules on how it works and they benefit from those rules, they are never going to change them.

gravityman on November 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Vote Present. Make the Democrats negotiate with themselves and own whatever they come up with. Any negotiations by the Republicans will only redound to them getting blamed for the troubles that will surely come. Let the Dems drive the economy off the cliff without gaming the Republicans to put a hand on the wheel just so they can be blamed.

Don’t obstruct, don’t filibuster, don’t negotiate. Just vote Present.

After this past election it’s clear that the only way that a majority of Americans will learn the drawbacks to Democratic policies is to let the Democrats ruin the economy.

Give them what they voted for, good and hard.

rokemronnie on November 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I’m interested. Could it be the Democrats are afraid of owning a 2nd Recession or a new Even Greater Depression? I think they are, but I don’t see them having the cajones to actually implement anything that’s necessary reform.

We need a 2016 Republican candidate with a flamethrower. Someone who says, “The laws of the country are impossible to enforce as the Executive”. We need a new Constiutional Congress that targets laws that are obsolete, laws that are damaging to the country, laws that promote reasonable regulation and laws that don’t give Congress unreasonable access to property rights via the Commerce Clause.

Simplify everything.

Nethicus on November 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Since the right-wing media bubble ignores or downplays any good economic news, here’s my public service for today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/business/economy/report-signals-lift-in-business-spending.html?ref=business&_r=0

The world economy is likely still going to be a drag in the next year, but there’s a lot of reason for optimism in the U.S.

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

“To summarize: according to one of the least susceptible to manipulation indicators of US economic strength and growth, the US economy is now in a recession.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-27/chart-day-continued-collapse-capital-goods-new-orders-confirms-us-recession

Minarchy on November 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Yesterday, after the new broke about that study showing that female teachers give boys worse grades than girls, I spent some time perusing Mens’ Rights and Pickup Artist sites.

I think that Republicans can learn a lot from “game”. I’m no PUA but it seems to me that the PUA game is all about not playing women’s games. You win by not playing, and if you don’t score with a woman, oh well, there are 3 billion other women on the planet. The key is to be comfortable in your own skin alone. One thing that women (and voters) pick up on is desperation.

The Republicans have to be the opposite of desperate. Don’t play the Democrats’ game and negotiate with them. PUA have a term, “sh1t test”, which is what women do to men to see if they qualify for their attention and affection. It’s a question or a situation for which a male cannot possibly give the correct answer, they just want to see how you react. You can fail a sh1t test but you can never pass one once you take it. The only way to pass a sh1t test is to not participate in the test.

As soon as the Republicans can feel comfortable in the political wilderness and not worried about making a bad impression, they’ll start attracting some of the 70 million eligible voters who don’t vote.

rokemronnie on November 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

You are truly stupid, and in for one hell of a surprise. May it collapse on you like 1.5 quadrillion lbs of bricks.

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM

The world economy is likely still going to be a drag in the next year, but there’s a lot of reason for optimism in the U.S.

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

We’ll easily hit 20 trillion in debt under Obama – about 125% of GDP.

Optimize that, you ignorant sycophant.

Chuck Schick on November 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

“To summarize: according to one of the least susceptible to manipulation indicators of US economic strength and growth, the US economy is now in a recession.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-27/chart-day-continued-collapse-capital-goods-new-orders-confirms-us-recession

Minarchy on November 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

ZeroHedge is one of the biggest cheerleaders of economic doom and gloom out there, and isn’t all that different from getting your news from Alex Jones’s InfoWars.

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM

ZeroHedge is one of the biggest cheerleaders of economic doom and gloom out there, and isn’t all that different from getting your news from Alex Jones’s InfoWars.

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Translation: I love Obama with complete devotion and nothing you put in front of me will change my mind.

Chuck Schick on November 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Translation: I love Obama with complete devotion and nothing you put in front of me will change my mind.

Chuck Schick on November 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Bootlickers are totally beta, he picked the wrong nom.

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 2:00 PM

ZeroHedge is one of the biggest cheerleaders of economic doom and gloom out there, and isn’t all that different from getting your news from Alex Jones’s InfoWars.

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM

So how is the DATA in the charts wrong? What is your argument? The second chart is straight from the St. Louis Fed. I suppose they get their data from this “InfoWars” character?

Minarchy on November 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Until the stupid amongst us start understanding that Earned INcome & Working credit is not a tax refund, tax reform is not going to happen that is meaningful.

Badger40 on November 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Until the stupid amongst us start understanding that Earned INcome & Working credit is not a tax refund, tax reform is not going to happen that is meaningful.

Badger40 on November 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM

The stupid only learn from experiencing pain. That pain is desperately needed so we can reset.

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Why not real tax reform?

Ed, it would be easier for you to figure out what this means, then to get real tax reform. Democrats and math… Nuff said…

SWalker on November 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM

ZeroHedge is one of the biggest cheerleaders of economic doom and gloom out there, and isn’t all that different from getting your news from Alex Jones’s InfoWars.

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Translation: I love Obama with complete devotion and nothing you put in front of me will change my mind.

Chuck Schick on November 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Translation: I hate Obama with complete devotion and nothing you put in front of me will change my mind.

That was exactly the point I was trying to make by posting a perspective you won’t find at Hot Air. Why wouldn’t you want to have all the information and then make up your own mind? Why hide in a conservative media bubble? Do you like being shocked on November 7 because you’ve been told for months that Romney will win in a landslide? Is it better to live in the fiction you create than the reality you dislike?

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM

That was exactly the point I was trying to make by posting a perspective you won’t find at Hot Air. Why wouldn’t you want to have all the information and then make up your own mind? Why hide in a conservative media bubble? Do you like being shocked on November 7 because you’ve been told for months that Romney will win in a landslide? Is it better to live in the fiction you create than the reality you dislike?

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM

We’ve been seeing “the recovery is around the corner” for 4 years now. Also, since we all live in pop culture, we all see these news stories everywhere. CNN is on in dunkin donuts, USA Today headlines are on the wall near the elevators, Drudge links dozens of MSM stories a day. For liberals to see a conservative perspective, they have to seek it out.

Yes, I agree that it did get a little echo-chambery around here, but I (and most of us, I’d think) read a wide variety of news from around the world, the majority of which has a liberal spin.

As for the election, not sure too many people were saying “landslide,” but we bet that the American people would vote for liberty over tyranny. Obviously we were wrong. I think the thought of a second O turn was too terrifying for those who said, “don’t worry, we can still save this” after the ’06 midterms, again after the ’08 election, then felt validated by 2010 midterms…

Timin203 on November 27, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Translation: I hate Obama with complete devotion and nothing you put in front of me will change my mind.

That was exactly the point I was trying to make by posting a perspective you won’t find at Hot Air. Why wouldn’t you want to have all the information and then make up your own mind? Why hide in a conservative media bubble? Do you like being shocked on November 7 because you’ve been told for months that Romney will win in a landslide? Is it better to live in the fiction you create than the reality you dislike?

Beta_Male on November 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM

I offered you information, which you of course ignored.

Obama will easily run us up to a $20 trillion debt which is 125% of GDP.

Do you now know that, or you just choose to believe this sort of fiscal incompetence has no consequences?

Chuck Schick on November 27, 2012 at 2:32 PM

“now know that” –> “not know that”

Chuck Schick on November 27, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Assumptions, ignorance, presumptions, and thinly veiled contempt

Alpha_Male is awesome.

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Let it burn.

woodNfish on November 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

The answer to the payroll tax going up IS entitlement reform.

Restructure the program, make it easier to pay for, take away a lot of things they do with the SS money that goes to people who are not ELDERLY.

Fix disability SSI. It’s out of control, it’s a welfare check for someone who can’t get welfare at their state, and for someone who is not ELDERLY.

Fix all the spin off ways they use the money like death benefits, and what portion might be “Vested” somehow for YOU.

SS does cost too much, the employers are paying way too much, AND if you work for yourself, the SS Self Employment tax is 15%. THAT IS CREEPY. It makes people hide their cash income. When they hide thier cash income, they qualify for all kinds of programs and benefits. The Obama underground economy, with cash and EBT fraud is ridiculous. It is always the people that want somebody else to pay, that voted for Obama, that don’t count rents and cash they get under the table mowing lawns, as their own income.

Fleuries on November 27, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Silly me….when you said real tax reform I was thinking about a flat or fair tax…..or even a nation-wide tax strike! Now THAT would bring real reform in spending too.

devan95 on November 27, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Is it better to live in the fiction you create than the reality you dislike?

Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM

That’s an interesting statement to make about millions of human beings in our society.

From alllll the comments, articles and televised messages I hear and read from the Left, they nearly allllll contain the use of the very same, repeated phrases and especially issues: same terms used, same phrases used…it’s as if they’re all involved in…”THE FICTION THEY CREATE” FOR AND AMONG THEMSELVES.

I’m betting a huge majority of Obama supporters/Dem voters/Leftwingers receive the MoveOn newsletters, read and comment on Kos and HuffPo and watch, predominantly, MSNBC, NBC, CNN and ABC with some CBS afterward.

Lourdes on November 27, 2012 at 7:00 PM

About 10% are employed by the government and that figure rolls off your tongue like ice cream. Pop. of USA about 330 million now the light comes on 3.3 million work for the government, WOW! That many? Lets look at the staff for Congress which totals just over 23,000 for 535 elected reps. The lights getting brighter when you think we do have a few questionable reps. One thinks an island will tip over if you put too many people on it and there’s always Charlie Rangel a convicted criminal still serving in Congress. Without the staff doing the grunt work many are plain useless as a representative for their districts. Here’s my sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_staff

http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml

mixplix on November 27, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Thanks for finally posting AllahPundit’s pic

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

…it looks like he just got done voting!

KOOLAID2 on November 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM

If they solve the problem that would mean there wouldn’t be a crises that has to be avoided by ramming thru crap legislation in the future. Why let a crises go to waste, when you know you can create another one in a few months and beat the Republicans like a baby seal with a club.

odannyboy on November 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM