Video: Kyl and Hutchison introduce GOP version of DREAM Act

posted at 9:21 pm on November 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via the Daily Caller. It speaks volumes of the politics of this that two of the three senators who are sponsoring it are retiring next month and the other, McCain, just won reelection two years ago and will be 80 when he decides whether to run again. No one here, in other words, is worried about a primary.

The key difference between DREAM and ACHIEVE is citizenship, but in the end it’s not much of a difference:

The DREAM Act offers applicants temporary residency for a six-year period after completing two years of college or two years in the military. Within this period undocumented immigrants may then qualify for permanent residency, and as a permanent residents can later try the path to citizenship.

As for the Achieve Act, it offers three different visas: the first, good for up to six years, for students; the second, a work visa good for four years, and the third is a permanent nonimmigrant visa that would have to be renewed every five years. Those who fall under the Achieve Act and are interested in U.S. citizenship would have to apply for a green card and go through the same procedures as other immigrants.

So DREAM creates a special path to citizenship and makes that path relatively short. ACHIEVE doesn’t create a special path and takes longer, but if you follow the steps and land a renewable W-3 work visa under the act, then…

No new green cards are added in the Act, but a W-3 visa recipient could take advantage of opportunities in current law to obtain one; for example, if a W-3 visa holder were to marry a U.S. citizen, that alien, already in W-3 status and now married to a U.S. citizen, would be eligible for a green card (legal permanent resident status). Citizenship could follow after the requisite number of years required in green card status (and processing usually takes around a year after that).

Kyl was candid about that in today’s presser; click here and skip to 6:15 for the key bit. Since most of the kids who qualify for the W-3 under ACHIEVE will remain in the U.S. and marry American citizens, they’ll end up with a path to citizenship anyway. It’ll just be a path already blazed by current law, not something novel and expedited cooked up by Democrats so that they can bank Latino votes as quickly as possible. Which explains why you’re already seeing reactions like this:

“Today’s Kyl/Hutchinson presser makes it clear that #ACHIEVE is no #DREAM Act. No path to citizenship, only second-class legal status,” tweeted immigration policy analyst Phil Wolgin.

That’s what Kyl and Hutchison get for trying to wear down Republican resistance to a limited amnesty. And there’ll be plenty more where that came from. There are many ways to challenge the basic precepts of ACHIEVE — a few weeks ago Mark Krikorian argued that it simultaneously did too much and too little — but the main liberal line of attack will be that it’s “cruel” to deny these kids their God-given right to elect Democrats by delaying their legal path to full citizenship. If Reid agrees to take this up next year, presumably it’ll only be because he thinks he can get McCain and Rubio and whoever else to bend a little on the citizenship point. But like I said when I wrote about this last time, I don’t understand why he’d agree to take this up when he could try to leverage Republican panic over electoral demographics and push for full comprehensive immigration reform instead. ACHIEVE is basically the GOP’s attempt to buy goodwill from Latino voters by passing the most limited amnesty possible for the most sympathetic illegal immigrant class. Reid would be a sucker to let them do that on the cheap. Demand comprehensive reform and some sort of path to citizenship, however elongated, as part of it, then after it passes immediately begin accusing all of the Republicans who just voted for it of hating illegals because they wouldn’t agree to citizenship on a faster track. The Democrats don’t care about work visas; they care about votes, and voting requires citizenship. The two least surprising sentences published in political media today, via National Journal: “Democrats are rejecting such an idea [ACHIEVE] for now, arguing that the concept would create an underclass of people in the United States if they don’t have full voting rights. In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid is hoping for a broader bill that would address the 12 million illegal immigrants in the country.”

Here’s video from the Caller. Kyl seems oddly taken with the procedural angle, that they’re doing things by the book constitutionally by trying to codify ACHIEVE instead of imposing the policy via executive fiat, as Obama did several months ago. So O exceeded his constitutional power by handing down this new rule, and now his punishment will be that … Congress will just enact his preferred policy for him anyway, with GOP help? (Kyl himself described ACHIEVE at today’s presser as being “not dissimilar” from Obama’s DREAM rule.) Go easy on the guy, Jon.


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DREAM of L.i.B.

Why would they want to be here?

Electrongod on November 27, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Why would they want to be here?

Electrongod on November 27, 2012 at 9:25 PM

When it all crashes, it is going to be one hell of a party.

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Idiot Republicans..this will get you about 10 more votes from hispanics..get it through your thick skulls, THEY WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS! ALWAYS! you can hand them the world and they wouldn’t vote for them..it’s the sad truth

sadsushi on November 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Amnesty == Death.

The GOP almost killed itself with the last run at forcing amnesty on America. They were only saved by the Tea Party, and only then because the dems were so outrageously anti-American that there was nowhere to turn but the GOP. After they got power in 2010, though, the GOP turned around and stabbed the Tea Party in the back and continued to attack the conservative base. And now the idiots are back to shilling amnesty – aiding and abetting illegals to violate American sovereignty. Idiots.

I’ve changed my registration to Independent. 2012 was the last vote I’m giving to the GOP, not that it really matters at this point as America is dead and buried, already. Welcome to the American Socialist Superstate. And these idiot GOPers are auditioning for useful idiot roles in the new nation.

Me, I want a divorce from these people and their insane conceptions of governance. All of them. The leftist dems and their Indonesian are absolutely beyond despicable. And the GOPers are cowardly idiots who are looking to curry favor with the despicable left. Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM

RIP GOP

WordsMatter on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Nice parting shot from Kyle & Hutchison. We expected such nonsense from McLame. So where was Lindsay Grahamnesty? He’s usually in the thick of this.

AZfederalist on November 27, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Serves no one pandering on the way out. Barky won’t settle for 1/2 way anyways. See last thread.

wolly4321 on November 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

That’s so 1950′s. Obama is fundamentally transforming the nation into a lawless nation of cronies and freebies.

The little people get free ice cream for awhile, until they become liabilities, then they will be liquidated.

EVERYBODY GETS ICE CREAM!

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I think we need to install those airport “walkways” at the borders at this point.

It would be a shame for our newest citizens to show up tired.

/s

Hog Wild on November 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM

How about this:

Build a fence that works. No?

How about making Mexico the 51st state? No amnesty argument, everyone gets a social security card (what do we care….SS is already bankrupt…whats a few more trillion in debt when you can’t make the payments on the debt you already have, eh?), and we get Acapulco and the Yucatan Peninsula in exchange.

Ariba!

BobMbx on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I am now, oddly, motivated to take this opportunity to apologize for my support of Mitt Romney. While I still believe he held the greatest potential electability amongst the Republican candidates, I now recognize the pointlessness of supporting the almost electable over the search for the true standard-bearer of Conservative values.

And now, after I figuratively spit upon this group of sh**-spined RINO’s, you all may figuratively kick me in the crotch for my malfeasance.

M240H on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

You would think they would have taken the time to address the out of control spending and our growing +$16.2 Trillion Dollar debt…

… but no, there is pandering a foot!

Seven Percent Solution on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Me, I want a divorce from these people and their insane conceptions of governance. And the GOPers are cowardly idiots who are looking to curry favor with the despicable left. Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Stop lying. You will be crawling over broken glass to vote for your nearest GOP candidate in 2014. You can’t help it regardless of how many times the screw you.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

The Washington DC crowd want a more compliant citizenry, and like what they see the elites in Latin America getting away with, so they are importing new voters. The GOP are moving left anyway so they need a replacement for those pesky conservatives, and the Democrats know that those who vote for socialism south of the border, will keep voting socialist north of the border.

sharrukin on November 27, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

The UN doesn’t like it. We might get a strongly worded letter or something.

BobMbx on November 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Eff you, Kay Barely Republican.
Can’t wait to say, ‘Senator Cruz’.
My grandfather came to this LEGALLY-’course he had red hair, blue eyes, and was Jewish.
Some animals are more equal than others.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Countdown to the SCOTUS case finding that Latino “ACHIEVERS” are being denied their Constitutional rights because they can’t vote . . .

Progressive Heretic on November 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Another chorus of Daisy, HAL!

M240H on November 27, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Me, I want a divorce from these people and their insane conceptions of governance. And the GOPers are cowardly idiots who are looking to curry favor with the despicable left. Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I’ve already filed the divorce papers from the federal-level GOP, I expect the deputy sheriff will be serving the papers any day now.

I could have sworn we already had a crapload of immigration laws on the books, why should I believe the feds will honor and uphold any new laws they create. They won’t. They don’t now. We’re fu**ed.

Bishop on November 27, 2012 at 9:39 PM

“Today’s Kyl/Hutchinson presser makes it clear that #ACHIEVE is no #DREAM Act. No path to citizenship, only second-class legal status,” tweeted immigration policy analyst Phil Wolgin.

Of course they did. BEWARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CHANGE OUR POSITIONS. It doesn’t matter how much the Republicans concede to Dems even if we become Dems with a Republican name- Dems will still claim we are racist, homophobe, misgynist. Until we find someway to fight fire with fire and go after these idiots, we can change and liberalize our positions until the cows come home and we will still lose.

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Stop lying. You will be crawling over broken glass to vote for your nearest GOP candidate in 2014. You can’t help it regardless of how many times the screw you.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Me, I want a divorce from these people and their insane conceptions of governance. And the GOPers are cowardly idiots who are looking to curry favor with the despicable left. Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Since the election, I have been unsubscribing to all of the e-mails I had signed on for over the past couple of years with regards to the GOP. I do not want to hear from Jim DeMint, Rubio, GOPSUA, and all the rest of of these idiots.

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Idiots.

Mimzey on November 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Yep starting to agree with this sentiment

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Stop lying. You will be crawling over broken glass to vote for your nearest GOP candidate in 2014. You can’t help it regardless of how many times the screw you.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Take a look at your chest..

You are bleeding..

Electrongod on November 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Now that’s just crazy talk…!

… We need to construct a new bureaucracy, hire hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats, administrators, and lawyers, buy buildings, computers, data bases, office supplies, fleets of cars, health insurance and pension packages, salary levels, vacation schedules, retreats, S.W.A.T. Teams and Drones, collect union dues, academic teaching aides, TV and radio info commercials in multiple languages, cool new uniforms and badges, as well as lobbyists to increase our baseline budget.

Now we can start not securing the border and the existing laws we already have on the books…

… Smart Power!

/

Seven Percent Solution on November 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

How about making Mexico the 51st state? No amnesty argument, everyone gets a social security card (what do we care….SS is already bankrupt…whats a few more trillion in debt when you can’t make the payments on the debt you already have, eh?), and we get Acapulco and the Yucatan Peninsula in exchange.

Ariba!

BobMbx on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

… and more people in Mexico speak English than those Mexicans coming to the US. We’re all expected to learn Spanish anyway, may as well get the beaches of Cancun and be able to maybe help the Mexicans in Mexico prosper on their own. Although if BHO and regime have their way, ain’t nobody, nowhere going to be prospering.

/… and those drug thugs are going to be real surprised when armed citizens start shooting back.

AZfederalist on November 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

…you shaddup…pay your parking tickets or we will take away your license to drive, if you accumulate more than three, pay every civic fine we feel like writing and obey every ordinance we feel like controlling you with…or it’s endless court battles or jail for you!…meanwhile…

KOOLAID2 on November 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

In the then this is not about getting votes it is about getting rid of something that the left can use to divide and attack on. Give a pathway, don’t talk about abortion, give the taxes and any cuts back to the so called great Clinton years and totally undo all of W’s stuff so the Bush tax cuts will be a footnote.

Then when the left has no issue that can be used to divide and attack on say what you are for be it life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and a strong 2000 foot fence with gun torrents and they will be done as they got all and it did not solve anything as the system has already collapsed.

tjexcite on November 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

You will be crawling over broken glass to vote for your nearest GOP candidate in 2014. You can’t help it regardless of how many times the screw you.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I definitely won’t. No candidate Dems field in 2016 can possibly be worse than Hussein Ogabe, so if we live through the next four years and the voting isn’t outlawed, a little more won’t hurt that much.

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I still don’t understand what they expect to gain. It won’t be Hispanic votes, that’s for sure. And the Dems won’t vote for it, either, knowing the GOP will cave on broader immigration reform.

Openly participating in the legalization of millions of new Dems is not a sound strategy.

changer1701 on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

. I do not want to hear from Jim DeMint, Rubio, GOPSUA, and all the rest of of these idiots.

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:42 PM

That Obama victory must have been extremely painful for you guys. Traffic has dried up here since Nov 6th. Content is now extremely boring. All the HA regulars are all gone.

Once again don’t worry. We felt the same way when Kerry lost go Bush in 2004.

Anyway one positive note for you guys, I hear Plouffe is floating a trial balloon of cutting medicare in return for some trivial revenue concessions from the GOP. If the dems go through with that awful deal, you all will take back the senate in 2014 and regain the WH in 2016.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Substance be damned, we’re reduced to choosing between clever sounding acronyms.

We’ve lost the republic.

Demand comprehensive reform

I demand comprehensive reform … comprehensive government reform!

Lost in Jersey on November 27, 2012 at 9:50 PM

That Obama victory must have been extremely painful for you guys. Traffic has dried up here since Nov 6th. Content is now extremely boring. All the HA regulars are all gone.

Once again don’t worry. We felt the same way when Kerry lost go Bush in 2004.

Anyway one positive note for you guys, I hear Plouffe is floating a trial balloon of cutting medicare in return for some trivial revenue concessions from the GOP. If the dems go through with that awful deal, you all will take back the senate in 2014 and regain the WH in 2016.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Once again:

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts..

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I definitely won’t. No candidate Dems field in 2016 can possibly be worse than Hussein Ogabe, so if we live through the next four years and the voting isn’t outlawed, a little more won’t hurt that much.

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Hey we can meet you half way by fielding Chris Christie. He is currently our favorite republican you know.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Yep starting to agree with this sentiment

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

I posted this on another thread, but I just ordered four “Let. It. Burn.” windshield decals for my rides and a for a friend of mine’s rides. Can’t wait to display them.

predator on November 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

That Obama victory must have been extremely painful for you guys. Traffic has dried up here since Nov 6th. Content is now extremely boring. All the HA regulars are all gone.

I take it you haven’t felt the pain yet..

There in-lies the problem..
Hopefully in the next term…
You will be reached..

Electrongod on November 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

How about a SLAVE act?

The Mexicans, and that is the only group they are after, can come to America and work. 40% of their income is taxed to pay for social security. 15% is taxed for paying for medicare. The rest of their income is taxed as normal, including social security and medicare taxes. Once we no longer need them, they can go back to Mexico.

astonerii on November 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Hey we can meet you half way by fielding Chris Christie. He is currently our favorite republican you know.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Kiss his A$$ then..

What a weird world your Utopia is.

Electrongod on November 27, 2012 at 9:54 PM

How about making Mexico the 51st state?

You all do know that some of Latino lobby groups ultimate goal is to get the overwhelming majority so that they can vote “Mexico’s” territory like California back to Mexico. Don’t believe me- do some research on some of their websites..

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Do these DREAMers and ACHIEVEers get Affirmative Action, too, when we have high unemployment for those who are LEGAL CITIZENS?

Punchenko on November 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

I am now, oddly, motivated to take this opportunity to apologize for my support of Mitt Romney. While I still believe he held the greatest potential electability amongst the Republican candidates, I now recognize the pointlessness of supporting the almost electable over the search for the true standard-bearer of Conservative values.

And now, after I figuratively spit upon this group of sh**-spined RINO’s, you all may figuratively kick me in the crotch for my malfeasance.

M240H on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I’ll pass. The pain of admitting what you did is far worse than anything we can inflict upon you. That being said, I would not want to be responsible for giving you a specific pain to take you mind off that pain. /smirk/

astonerii on November 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Since admissions and class registration in public higher education has become a zero-sum waiting list game what these DREAM and ACHIEVE Acts boil down to is this:

Americans WILL get waitlisted so illegals can get educated. And Democrats care more about illegal aliens than they do waitlisted, debt-ridden American students.

That’s not scapegoating or immigrant-bashing, that’s Game Theory 101.

kd6rxl on November 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Goodbye, Sen. Hutchison. Goodbye, Sen. Kyl. And good God, Sen. McCain, you’re still there. In any case, we thank you all for your contributions over the years that helped lead our country into the coming oblivion. This latest little “gift” from you would surely speed us into that abyss, so thanks once again, for the push. We couldn’t have gotten their without ya.

TXUS on November 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

The RINOs have been on offense since Nov 7.

Wigglesworth on November 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

May your team never lose another election, their agenda be fully implemented, and it destroy you and everyone and thing you have ever loved.

Kiss kiss slave.

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM

You all do know that some of Latino lobby groups ultimate goal is to get the overwhelming majority so that they can vote “Mexico’s” territory like California back to Mexico. Don’t believe me- do some research on some of their websites..

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Mexico is in need of some “shock and awe”. We should take the whole damn country, their resources, and rename them New Bedford or New Nottingham — something with a real good ring to it. :-)

Punchenko on November 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM

“… We need to construct a new bureaucracy, hire hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats, administrators, and lawyers, buy buildings, computers, data bases, office supplies, fleets of cars, health insurance and pension packages, salary levels, vacation schedules, retreats, S.W.A.T. Teams and Drones, collect union dues, academic teaching aides, TV and radio info commercials in multiple languages, cool new uniforms and badges, as well as lobbyists to increase our baseline budget.”

Excellent, Seven. In addition, I would suggest we fill the above positions with the illegals themselves. Who better?! In addition, let’s make Spanish the official language of the United States and require those of us who don’t speak Spanish to learn it under penalty of a fine for the first offense, prison for every subsequent offense to be enforced by the 16,000 new IRS agents who should be recruited from this pool of new “citizens” as well. This requirement should be written into Obamacare. It’s already the law of the land. Should be easy.

ncjetsfan on November 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I bet as soon as they pass this they will totally like secure the border and stuff. You know–so they don’t have to pass another bill like this in 25 years. /

Kataklysmic on November 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM

If this passed and millions of illegals were converted into a group of sub-citizens without a path to citizenship and a future ability to vote how long before the dems would be screaming racism if a new law wasn’t passed to grant them full citizenship? Republicans are so dumb.

Wigglesworth on November 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Nice parting shot from Kyle & Hutchison. We expected such nonsense from McLame. So where was Lindsay Grahamnesty? He’s usually in the thick of this.

AZfederalist on November 27, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Miss Lucy is up for re-election in 2014 so he has to pretend to be more conservative so the good people of South Carolina will re-elect him.

bw222 on November 27, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Well that’s true enough, traffic has dried up including the mysterious leftists and MOBY’s who have all but disappeared. Why, it’s almost as if they were being paid to comment here before the election.

Now even the interesting and heated topics barely break 100. Of course the incessant pop-up ads, survey queries, and auto-play vids don’t exactly make for a contented audience.

Bishop on November 27, 2012 at 10:06 PM

You all do know that some of Latino lobby groups ultimate goal is to get the overwhelming majority so that they can vote “Mexico’s” territory like California back to Mexico. Don’t believe me- do some research on some of their websites..

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Mexico is in need of some “shock and awe”. We should take the whole damn country, their resources, and rename them New Bedford or New Nottingham — something with a real good ring to it. :-)

Punchenko on November 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I was kinda thinking we give up California and all her debt.. It would help us fiscally and Repubs would get an “in” with Latino voters- a win win situation. :)

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 10:07 PM

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Been a ‘regular’ here since 10/06. Nice try anyway.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 27, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Hey.. here’s an idea. Why not propose that we copy Mexico’s illegal immigration policy?

Nor is he all that concerned with hypocrisy, as Mexico’s immigration policy is positively draconian when compared with the Arizona law. Calderon happily pointed this out during a Wednesday afternoon CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer.

BLITZER: So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, they can just walk in?
CALDERON: No. They need to fulfill a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedent. And they coming into Mexico. Actually…
BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?
CALDERON: Of course. Of course, in the border, we are asking the people, who are you?
And if they explain…
BLITZER: At the border, I understand, when they come in.
CALDERON: Yes.
BLITZER: But once they’re in…
CALDERON: But not — but not in — if — once they are inside the — inside the country, what the Mexican police do is, of course, enforce the law. But by any means, immigration is a crime anymore in Mexico.
BLITZER: Immigration is not a crime, you’re saying?
CALDERON: It’s not a crime.
BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job…
CALDERON: No, no.
BLITZER: They can work.
CALDERON: If — if somebody do that without permission, we send back — we send back them.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/21/lets-adopt-mexicos-fair-and-respectful-immigration-policy/#ixzz2DTtl5Yep

See… here’s an example of a perfect sure fire way to win this argument. The GOP falls in line (Boehner has no problem telling that the House Republicans when it comes to bending over for Obama)… so the GOP falls in line and this is the only policy they propose. Lets copy Mexico’s policy on illegal immigration. It’s a simple argument. It’s easy for everyone to understand. Even the youth. The GOP just keeps repeating this policy like a freaking parrot every time the opportunity arises and before long you have the majority of Americans repeating it too!

It’s more than a fair argument…. and why the freaking heck I can understand this and rich important smart Republican leaders can’t is beyond me. Unless they simply don’t want to! Or they are incompetent, tired and useless.

Here’s another idea. Go on freaking offense. Stop sitting round in your expensive leather chairs waiting for America to see the light.

Hey.. you want a few new out of the box ideas?

1. Propose a nationwide/across state lines concealed carry permit for rape victims.

2. Propose a plan that made a way for tenants of subsidized housing be allowed to own their units.

3. How about a plan for small business government loans to people who may not ordinarily qualify… people on welfare. Make a way for them to get out of welfare if they have a good idea for a business. A one time small business loan with a 2 year deferment on repayment. Giving them time to get it up and running as they transition off welfare.

4 School-choice vouchers for inner city kids. Push it everywhere all the time. All the Republicans get in line and every freaking time a microphone is in front of their mouths they talk about inner city school choice vouchers for minority kids. All the freaking Republicans get in line and say the same freaking thing like they do when Boehner tells them to.

Including copying Mexico’s illegal immigration laws… 5 little ideas that everyone would love and understand. Unless you are a Democrat. 5 little ideals off the top of my head.

The GOP leadership is old and tired. We need some fresh ideas. Creative ideas. We need fresh faces and we need to go on offense and if the GOP all fell in line like they do when they are told to bend over for the Democrats we could change the game. Make them respond to our ideas instead of us just sitting around thinking about how we’re going to respond to them.

JellyToast on November 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

May tens of thousands of illegal aliens camp in their yards, destroy their property, rob them, and demand more, until their dying day. Then, may the Devil have his way with them.

Let it burn, and may the GOP burn with it. Dead party walking – they just don’t know it yet, apparently.

Midas on November 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

That Obama victory must have been extremely painful for you guys. Traffic has dried up here since Nov 6th. Content is now extremely boring. All the HA regulars are all gone.

Well, if you are considering the other trolls as regulars, yeah, they are pretty much gone. The rest of us, not so much.

What is painful for us is not so much knowing that the marxist got re-elected as it is knowing that jackasses like you actually voted to enslave yourselves to the state. Willing to give up liberty and freedom for a government check. Yeah, that kind of chaps those of us who view liberty and freedom as kinda sorta important. You fools have the pick of the world to go live in if you want a state-dominated society, why do you feel like you have to inflict that upon everyone? Kinda selfish if you ask me.

Once again don’t worry. We felt the same way when Kerry lost go Bush in 2004.

Yeah, your dream of a statist utopia was delayed for a while. You had to put up with all that pesky liberty and freedom as well as extra dollars in your pockets from tax cuts and had to live with the knowledge that others who worked harder than you or prospered more also got to keep more of what they earned. I know how that tears you up inside seeing that some other people might be doing a bit better than you and that you can’t use the government to go and take that prosperity away from them. Anyway, you really only lost time while Bush was President, we are losing freedom and liberty while your guy is in charge.

Oh, don’t try that “… but, but, the Patriot act” BS, your guy has doubled and tripled down on that, so that dog don’t hunt. It wasn’t that Bush had the Patriot act to pursue international terrorists, its the fact that your guys were going to gain power in the future and use the Patriot act against regular citizens. … and they are.

Anyway one positive note for you guys, I hear Plouffe is floating a trial balloon of cutting medicare in return for some trivial revenue concessions from the GOP. If the dems go through with that awful deal, you all will take back the senate in 2014 and regain the WH in 2016.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Trivial revenue concessions. Yeah, like I said, it just tears you up inside when people who work harder than you or who are prospered more than you get to keep more of what they have worked for. Your envy and covetousness are obvious and absolutely pathetic. You and the rest of the crowd that want to use the power of the government to take from others in order to get something for yourselves are the lowest of the low.

AZfederalist on November 27, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Progressive Heretic on November 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Exactly.

Mimzey on November 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

We may as well send party buses to the border with cell phones, cash cards, insurance cards and gift baskets for anyone willing to stroll across the border. But first we need to pass a law ordering quartering them with anyone voting for ths law.

ktrich on November 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM

That Obama victory must have been extremely painful for you guys.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Only because we know what’s coming and it could have been avoided or at least worked at with less pain.

However, it’s not and you will soon see what we were talking about. Most of us will be fine because we are prepared and know how to get by. However, most of you and yours… no. It will definitely be interesting.

Or, put it another way eventually too many parasites kill the host.

Like all most addicts, it seems that bottom must be reached. Pass the popcorn.

kim roy on November 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Go to Hell, both of them.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2012 at 11:05 PM

That Obama victory must have been extremely painful for you guys.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Only from one perspective…to realize how stupid the land has gotten. She’s been the freest. Now she’s the stupidest on Earth.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2012 at 11:06 PM

You can’t help it regardless of how many times the screw you.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Says the person who eats Obama’s sh*t. It ain’t Beluga caviar, fool.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Nice parting shot from Kyle & Hutchison. We expected such nonsense from McLame. So where was Lindsay Grahamnesty? He’s usually in the thick of this.

AZfederalist on November 27, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Kyl was on board before with Shamnesty. I was very disappointed in him and I contacted him about it. His excuse was that it was “the best we could do.” I suppose he still has that philosophy. Sigh…

It’s already been posted on here, but I must repeat, “what is wrong with just enforcing our existing laws?” We will not need mass deportations. Send them back when they’re caught and the rest will self-deport.

There is absolutely NOTHING to be gained by the GOP in promoting any kind of amnesty.

JannyMae on November 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Riddle me this Senators Kyl and Hutchison:

Why would any self-respecting immigrant ever again waste the time and money required to actually follow our existing immigration laws if you are going to let those aliens who have entered our country ILLEGALLY jump in front of the line of people who actually respect our laws?

Anybody who violates U.S. immigration laws should be deported immediately and not allowed back into our country for at least 10 years.

wren on November 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

To propose this when the borders are not sealed is just flat out traitorous.

SEAL the freaking border you dummies!!!!

PappyD61 on November 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM

gop……..DEAD DEAD DEAD.

Cause of death: Suicide.

PappyD61 on November 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

You can’t help it regardless of how many times the screw you.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Says the person who eats Obama’s sh*t. It ain’t Beluga caviar, fool.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Watching libtards like HAL engage in coprophagia…Obama has an app for that. Know your neighbor’s political affiliation. This information becomes useful and actionable the day of the black swan dive.

tom daschle concerned on November 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

That’s right, HotGas readers, keep telling me how the Republicans and Democrats are two different parties.

Dante on November 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I had an exchange with the DHS/ICE western spokeswoman, Virginia Kice about Obama’s amnesty program. She made it clear that the processes does not require applicants to disclose the SSN they used for employment/earnings/credit/medical treatment.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants engage in such theft to obtain a job etc. This includes “DREAMers” who work before, during, and after college.

Obama’s policy means that the ID theft victims (many of whom are children) are not even informed of the breach and will have to clean it up themselves when they discover it (for child victims, that can be at a critical time such as when applying for student loans etc).

Now Kyl et al (I’m sure Hatch will go for this) want to jump on the bandwagon and spit in victim’s faces.

Just another nail in GOP coffin. I’m done with them and dropping my party affiliation. It will be fun to watch conservative support evaporate and the GOP fail to get any Hispander-votes.

batter on November 27, 2012 at 11:34 PM

That’s right, HotGas readers, keep telling me how the Republicans and Democrats are two different parties.

Dante on November 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Well, of course. If only Mitt had won things would have been sooooooo much different. I mean, we would’ve had Reagan Revolution II!!!!

No, we wouldn’t have.

ddrintn on November 27, 2012 at 11:42 PM

That Obama victory must have been extremely painful for you guys. Traffic has dried up here since Nov 6th. Content is now extremely boring. All the HA regulars are all gone.

Once again don’t worry. We felt the same way when Kerry lost go Bush in 2004.

HotAirLib on November 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Painful? A lot of us were expecting it. But pssssst…you’re going to be very unpleasantly surprised by what comes next. Watch.

ddrintn on November 27, 2012 at 11:50 PM

You all do know that some of Latino lobby groups ultimate goal is to get the overwhelming majority so that they can vote “Mexico’s” territory like California back to Mexico. Don’t believe me- do some research on some of their websites..

melle1228 on November 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

You’re speaking of La Raza, and there is a lot of good information out there on them.

JannyMae on November 27, 2012 at 11:54 PM

That’s right, HotGas readers, keep telling me how the Republicans and Democrats are two different parties.

Dante on November 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

No. You have it backwards. It’s you Ronulan asshats who have been screaming that there is no difference between the parties. You’re wrong. If the Democrats have their way, the amnesty will be full and they will be made citizens and registered to vote Democrat within minutes afterward.

JannyMae on November 27, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Republicans lining up for amnesty will go by way of the Whigs.

TonyR on November 28, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Apparently since it is never an option under consideration.

Cindy Munford on November 28, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Actually, pals, I think that the proposed Act is an excellent compromise. Most Americans are unaware of the differences between non-immigrant status and immigrant status. Starting with the fact that the so called DREAM-ers are not going to be massively deported, putting them in an indefinite non-immigrant status accomplish the goal of taking them out of the shadows (ie, they’ll pay taxes, we know where they are) but it doesn’t give them access to citizenship before those who are here legally. I’ve read the details and from what I see, these ACHIEVE-ers would need to be 10 years as non-immigrants before they can apply for immigrant status (aka greencard). It’s the greencard that gives an automatic path to citizenship (after 5 years). When you add all, it would take at least 15 years for one of these achievers to become citizens (probably more because of the quote system for the greencard). The original DREAM Act wanted to give a greencard right away (no quotas, no waiting) to the DREAM-ers. It’s a big difference. It’s true that they could marry US citizens and get their citizenship in 3 years, but how is that different from any US citizen marrying a foreigner and giving that foreigner a 3 year path to citizenship? None. Why should be the DREAM-ers be penalized for that? I find it more egregious that US citizens can sponsor greecards to parents and siblings.

p_incorrect on November 28, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Since 2006 I’ve been warning you…

What did 2010 do for you? What did the GOP do to stop the Obama agenda? Did they defund Obamacare?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on November 28, 2012 at 5:02 AM

No amnesty, just make ALL illegals no matter what job, fall under the minimum wage with jail time for those that cheat the poor ignorant illegals.

rgranger on November 28, 2012 at 6:44 AM

They even look lost an confused in their photos.

rplat on November 28, 2012 at 6:52 AM

Is there something wrong with securing the borders and enforcing the laws we already have on the books?

JPeterman on November 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

You mean other than it being racist?

/

Odysseus on November 28, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Two party labels. One party rule. America rip.

voiceofreason on November 28, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Will anyone even see it?

tomas on November 28, 2012 at 7:22 AM

So the Left talking point will be that the Republicans want a permanent underclass that can’t vote?

Which means the Left wants a permanent underclass that can vote!

Notice the assumption is that we are stuck with a permanent underclass that is under-priviliged and, thus, needs more ‘entitlements’?

Heads: I win!

Tails: You Lose!

How about we stop playing the damn game and actually fix the borders, first, and then see what the real ‘employment problem’ looks like because, believe it or not, this ‘recovery’ is not getting us out of the ‘recession’ and my guess is that people now stuck with sub-28 hour work weeks just might be willing to work under the table or work for sub-minimum wage to keep food on the table. We don’t need to import a permanent underclass as Obamacare will hand us one made up of already existing citizens! Isn’t that sweet? Close the borders, put our own people to work at sub-minimum wage (either officially or under the table) and compete for the jobs the ‘permanent underclass’ of undocumenteds used to do by just closing the border. That should be a win, win, win for everyone… a sucky Nation, yeah, but thems the breaks when you gots asshats in charge.

ajacksonian on November 28, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Is this real, or is it “not intended to be a factual dtatement?”

greataunty on November 28, 2012 at 8:08 AM

Actually, pals, I think that the proposed Act is an excellent compromise.
p_incorrect on November 28, 2012 at 1:46 AM

So we’ll get half of the border secured first? /

63% of likely U.S. voters think that border control is more important than “legalizing the status of undocumented workers.” Only 27% put amnesty ahead of border security (Rasmussen, March 2011).

67% of likely U.S. voters believe that states should enforce immigration laws if the federal government fails to do so (Rasmussen, February 2011).

67% believe that illegal immigration is a strain on the federal budget, 23% do not think so (Rasmussen, March 2010).

66% agree that the availability of government benefits attracts illegal aliens to the U.S., 19% disagree (Rasmussen, March 2010). Source

lynncgb on November 28, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Sounds like more complicated backdoor amnesty.

nazo311 on November 28, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Unnecessary waste of what political capital these losers have remaining.

Democrats are not going to sign on to any GOP plan (about anything). The media will not credit the GOP for trying.

virgo on November 28, 2012 at 11:10 AM

if a were to marry a U.S. citizen, that alien, already in W-3 status and now married to a U.S. citizen, would be eligible for a green card (legal permanent resident status)

There is a line for green cards for spouses of American citizens who entered the U.S. legally, do the W-3 visa holders get to jump this line?

agmartin on November 28, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Something missing from the proposal: no green cards for the W-3 visa holders (and no path to citizenship) until after the fence is complete and e-Verify in effect.

agmartin on November 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I dream that one day Senators can fulfill the achievement of reading the Constitution.

Joey24007 on November 28, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Kay Bailey…..the favorite Republican of Chuck Todd and Peggy Noonan, ‘nough said…

wraithby on November 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM

lynncgb on November 28, 2012 at 9:12 AM

And yet, Obama/Dems won the election solidly. Not a landslide, but a solid victory (even in the House they won the popular vote, although redistricting delivered a Republican majority there).

I think that one has to be pragmatic here. The estimated 12 million illegal immigrants are not going to self deport. Logistically, it is not feasible to deport all of them. So, the choice is either you keep the status quo (and have those people in the shadows) or you give them some kind of legal status that is short of greencard/citizenship. In fact, I would apply the idea behind this proposal to long term illegals too. That’s what the 2007 comprehensive immigration reform attempted to do. It was a good idea then and it is a good idea now. True that it was the Democratic backed unions that were mostly to blame for the fiasco, but I think that that law would have solve the GOP’s problem not only with Hispanics but with Asians. The latter voted for the Dems even with a higher margin.

There is a line for green cards for spouses of American citizens who entered the U.S. legally, do the W-3 visa holders get to jump this line?

agmartin on November 28, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Actually, there is no line whatsoever for said immigrants. There are no greencard quotas for so called “immediate relatives” of US citizens. At this point those defined as such are spouses, children younger than 21 and parents (yes, you read well, PARENTS). Siblings of US citizens are the ones that have to wait in the line. Another thing that the 2007 immigration reform attempted to do well is to restrict this “immediate relative” category to spouses and children (ie, no parents) and to take away the ability of US citizens to sponsor siblings. This change provoked the ire of those immigrants who abuse the privilege (mainly Asians and Mexicans) that added to the pressure to defeat the bill, however it was a good idea as well. No country that I am aware of gives its citizens power to sponsor parents and siblings the type of immigration benefit that comes with a greencard.

p_incorrect on November 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Obama/Dems won the election solidly
p_incorrect on November 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM

What does that have to do with securing the border? What does Obama/Dems have against national security?

Self-deportation does work when new reforms to our current laws are put in place. The majority of the American people want the states to enforce our immigration laws if federal authorities aren’t going to.

Why do you want to reward criminal behavior? Why should illegals that are here now be granted any sort of legal status when there are so many others who patiently wait to legally come here… and pay beaucoup bucks in the process?

Sorry, I’m in with the majority on this… and our desire to have our current laws enforced is being pragmatic.

lynncgb on November 28, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Why do you want to reward criminal behavior? Why should illegals that are here now be granted any sort of legal status when there are so many others who patiently wait to legally come here… and pay beaucoup bucks in the process?

Sorry, I’m in with the majority on this… and our desire to have our current laws enforced is being pragmatic.

lynncgb on November 28, 2012 at 7:03 PM

It might be news to you but in the only poll that matters, that of election day, the majority of Americans voted for Obama and the Dems, who are for a more aggressive amnesty program than the one proposed here.

I don’t want to reward criminal behavior but there reality is more complex than what you make it look like. These illegal immigrants work for employers who hire them illegally. Nobody talks about punishing the employers. The agriculture industry in California for instance couldn’t function without these illegal immigrants because a) Americans don’t want to do those jobs (and to those who think otherwise, put yourself in the shoes of an employer, why would you go through the trouble of hiring an illegal if you could hire an available American citizen or legal immigrant) and b) because unless you marry a US citizen, there is no legal way to immigrate to the US to do low skills jobs. I am all for securing the border but there is the reality that it’s our irrational immigration laws and a lot of businesses who benefit from them which are as responsible for having these illegals here as are the illegals themselves.

With respect to those who came here legally; I am one of them. I waited patiently in the line to get my greencard and then my citizenship. I would be against giving these illegals a pass with respect to the greencard process. But that’s not what the law does. After 10 years on an non immigrant visa, years during which they will have to duly pay taxes, they will have to wait in the line behind all those who were waiting at the time of applying to the greencard. And, if the current greencard system doesn’t change, that would mean that many of those of Mexican origin will have to wait almost indefinitely in the greencard line because there is an annual cap on the number of people who can immigrate through employment to the US from a single country. I think that the number is ~ 20000 today. If you are a Chinese engineer, you have to wait 6 years now. If you have suddenly several million Mexicans added to the queue, many of them will die waiting in the greencard line before they even get it. So I think it’s a fair deal.

p_incorrect on November 28, 2012 at 11:14 PM

It might be news to you but in the only poll that matters, that of election day, the majority of Americans voted for Obama and the Dems, who are for a more aggressive amnesty program than the one proposed here.
p_incorrect on November 28, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Well it might be news to you too, that not everyone who voted for Obama agrees with his thoughts on how to deal with the problems regarding illegals. Look at the poll numbers again…a clear majority supports border security before amnesty and a decisive majority also wants our laws enforced.

I don’t want to reward criminal behavior

These proposals do exactly that. DREAM and ACHIEVE tell the world that our borders mean nothing. Just show up any old time you like and eventually you will be given amnesty.

I am all for securing the border

Well we found common ground then, but…we need to secure the border first. In 1986 we were supposed to get border security along with the amnesty that was given to millions of illegals. Did it ever happen? No…this time…border secured first. We would be pretty stupid if we fell for that line again.

With respect to those who came here legally; I am one of them. I waited patiently in the line to get my greencard and then my citizenship.

Excellent. I am happy you are here then…however, those that choose not to follow our laws are criminals, and granting exceptions for them will only become an incentive for millions more.

lynncgb on November 29, 2012 at 12:45 AM

lynncgb on November 29, 2012 at 12:45 AM

You are very misguided.

First, true that people voted over many things but, at the end of the day, it seems to me that their opposition to immigration reform was not as strong as might make it look like, otherwise they would not have given Obama/Dems a solid victory. Worse of all, your nonsensical position, which I am sure is shared by many, is costing us, conservatives many votes not only amongst Hispanics and Asians but also amongst middle of the ground Americans of every ethnicity who fail to understand your nonsense.

Second, you are making it look like as if breaking the immigration laws is the same as committing a serious crime such as murder. It is not. Presidents and Governors in the US have the prerogative to give pardons to people convicted of very serious crimes. The exiting Mississippi governor pardoned several CONVICTED KILLERS and I didn’t see much outrage from zealots like you.

Third, I don’t blame you for your ignorance about our current immigration system works. I don’t know how the one of the country where I came from works either. But to say that it is utterly broken is an understatement. The only clear beneficiaries of the current system are US Government bureaucrats working for the USCIS (the new name for the INS) who make a great deal of money out of making the life of immigrants miserable, employers who want to suck the blood of wanna be immigrants and Mexicans/Chinese who abuse the family sponsorship privilege to bring in future Democratic voters to the US. One of the requirements of the proposed law is to keep “good moral character”; since I am sure you are not aware of what that means, let me tell what it is not, it is not compliance with the 10 commandments. It’s legalese to say that those convicted of pretty much any crime not only cannot become permanent residents / greencard holders but, in all likelihood, face deportation. Before you are given your greencard and your US citizenship, you have to pass a very comprehensive criminal background check. Anything beyond a traffic ticket can trigger a finding of lack of good moral character, such as a DUI, even admission of regular drug use for which there was no conviction. None of the last two US presidents would meet the good moral character test. The only time a violation of this standard doesn’t trigger deportation is after US citizenship (ie, greencard alone is not enough to prevent deportation). So with the current law, you are keeping these people who came here illegally under a 10-15 years (for Mexicans probably for life because of the quotas) watch that if they commit any of these crimes, they will be deported.

For the record, I am all for stripping of their US citizenship, and deport them, to all US citizens, including natural born, who fail to maintain good moral character over their lives, but that’s unlikely to happen :D.

Fourth, the 2007 comprehensive reform was a very good deal. It put the GOP on the leadership on the matter. If you see which lobbies caused its defeat you understand why the system has to change. The first that opposed the deal were the high tech companies, the very same that keep complaining about H1B quotas. Why? Because it took away the right to slave high tech workers and gave the immigration benefit to the immigrant. Under the current system, employers have to sponsor immigrants through their way to a greencard; it’s a method that many (although in all fairness not all) employ to suck the blood out of workers. Shifting the ownership of the immigration benefit to the immigrant, so that a qualified immigrant is allowed to change jobs, was a threat to many companies. Canada has been successfully implementing a similar system for decades and it works beautifully there. The second lobby was the unions. Why? Because giving the possibility to low skill workers to work legally in the US was a threat to their increasingly nonsensical demands. They prefer the status quo, that slaves not only illegal immigrants but also businesses to unions, no matter how many jobs it kills. Third it was the Mexican and Asian lobbies because it took away from them the ability to sponsor anybody beyond spouses and children younger than 21. We are the only country in the civilized world that I am aware of that allows its citizens to bring their whole family (parents, siblings) with greencard status.

The 2007 law also significantly increased resources for law enforcement.

We need a little bit of rational thinking here if we are to win (was we were close to do in 2007) the battle over immigration reform.

p_incorrect on November 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM

You are very misguided.

First, true that people voted over many things but, at the end of the day, it seems to me that their opposition to immigration reform was not as strong as might make it look like, otherwise they would not have given Obama/Dems a solid victory.

Well, I’m still going to disagree. However, even if the backlash to any amnesty proposal is only from Republicans, I believe it is safe to say it will be huge. The GOP pushed for amnesty in George W. Bush’s second term and it went over like a lead ballon. It’s not going to be any different now. And I also think that any Republican representative that votes in favor of amnesty better do it when they are no longer interested in holding office. Republican/conservative voters will not forget.

Worse of all, your nonsensical position, which I am sure is shared by many, is costing us, conservatives many votes not only amongst Hispanics and Asians but also amongst middle of the ground Americans of every ethnicity who fail to understand your nonsense.

Aaah, did we get to the heart of the matter? Votes? If the GOP thinks it’s going to bring into the fold a decent portion of the Hispanic vote by giving illegals amnesty, then they are the ones who are denying history and will have shown themselves to truly be the Stupid Party. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that the GOP would be able to capture the Hispanic vote if we pass an amnesty. If that’s all it took, remember that Reagan signed a “one time” comprehensive illegal immigration plan while he was in office. So, if it’s all about amnesty, why aren’t Hispanics already voting Republican? What about McCain in 2008? He ran way to the left on the amnesty issue and he still got less votes from Hispanics than Bush. Nothing will change if we signed on to an amnesty because Republicans will never be able to hand out more free goodies than the Democrats. If we offer a legal status short of citizenship, the Democrats will offer citizenship and say we hate Hispanics because we won’t do it. If we offer citizenship in 10 years, they’ll offer it in five and say we’re dragging our feet because we hate Hispanics. If we offered amnesty for every illegal tomorrow, Democrats would ask for a new amnesty every year for anyone who sneaks across the border and they’d say that we hate Hispanics if we disagree.

You are making it look like as if breaking the immigration laws is the same as committing a serious crime such as murder. It is not. Presidents and Governors in the US have the prerogative to give pardons to people convicted of very serious crimes. The exiting Mississippi governor pardoned several CONVICTED KILLERS and I didn’t see much outrage from zealots like you.

Good grief… you’re the only one comparing illegals to murderers. You are talking about offering eventual citizenship to perhaps 20 million, largely uneducated manual laborers with minimal English skills, most of whom would draw tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars more in government benefits than they pay in over the course of their lifetimes. It would be terrible policy for the country. At a time when the unemployment rate is sky high and the country is running a trillion dollar deficit, how much sense does it make to bring in 20 million new citizens who’ll be a huge net drain on the country? We’re not talking about bringing in ten million engineers, scientists, computer programmers and entrepreneurs, are we?

And as an added thought, if you are serious about wanting to attempt to convince anyone that they should listen to your thoughts….you might want to think about dropping that “zealot” stuff.

If you are at all interested…you can read more here (h/t John Hawkins) about how amnesty distracts us from the voter outreach we really need to do.

lynncgb on November 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM

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