Supercut: Hey, remember when Democrats loved the filibuster?

posted at 7:41 pm on November 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

Fish-in-a-barrel fun from BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski, co-starring a future president of the United States who loved the filibuster so much that he once tried to use it to torpedo a Supreme Court nomination. Since then the numbers in the Senate have changed, and now so will the rules — maybe:

In a news conference at the Capitol on Tuesday, McConnell questioned the post-election judgment of Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid proposing changes to filibuster rules that would limit the power of Republicans to stop legislation in the Senate.

He suggested that Reid’s proposal threatens the possibility of bipartisanship cooperation.

“The last thing on my list would have been to throw a bomb into the Senate, have it blow up and have everybody mad as heck,” McConnell said, referencing Reid’s filibuster proposals after the election. “I’m just perplexed about the judgment on display here.”

Here’s what he means by throwing a bomb into the Senate:

So here’s what is likely to happen, according to a senior Senate Democratic leadership aide. Dems will likely pass reforms that include ending the filibuster on the motion to proceed and on on motions to move to conference; and forcing “talking filibusters,” which would require a much more public role for filibustering.

Dems may not change the rules on the first day of the session. Rather, the aide says, they are likely to do a rules change, almost certainly in January, via what’s known as overruling the chair. Democrats ask the chair for a ruling on whether it is within the rules to, say, filibuster the motion to proceed. When the chair says Yes, Dems overrule it by a simple majority vote. And so on with the other provisions.

Let me play devil’s advocate. Should McConnell reconsider and go along with the changes? The GOP needs to pick up six seats in 2014 to reclaim a Senate majority. The Democrats have to defend 20 seats and at least six of them — the magic number — are in red states. Rumors of Democratic retirements before then are already swirling, which would make things even easier for the GOP. If, if, Boehner thinks he can hold the Republican caucus together in the House, then letting Democrats nuke the filibuster in the Senate won’t get them much closer to passing the left’s agenda but it will set a precedent that McConnell can use in 2014 to ram Republican bills through with simple majorities. Yeah, granted, Obama would only end up vetoing anything the GOP Congress passed, but that in itself could be useful strategically ahead of the next presidential free-for-all in 2016. The great gamble in playing this angle, though, is that one of the conservatives on the Supreme Court might retire or die in the next two years; if the filibuster has already been nuked when that happens, suddenly you’re in a terrifying scenario where O can nominate any liberal he wants, no matter how far left, and be more or less assured that the Senate will rubber-stamp it. So McConnell can’t agree to nuke the filibuster across the board, but maybe he could make a deal with Reid to nuke it for normal legislation in exchange for maintaining it on presidential appointments. That’s what O, would-be filibusterer of Sam Alito, would want, right?

It’s risky business, no doubt, but if you’re in the “let it burn” camp when it comes to dealing with Democrats — i.e. let them pass their agenda and see how much good it does the country — then here’s one easy way to advance the ball. Unleash the Democratic “vision” of tax hikes and endless debt. Elections have consequences. Let the people have what they voted for.


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This all makes sense unless Obama decides to go the Morsi route – then what?

redguy on November 27, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Four seats baby.. I like the lieutenant governor lady in IA for that seat

Illinidiva on November 27, 2012 at 7:45 PM

It’s risky business, no doubt, but if you’re in the “let it burn” camp when it comes to dealing with Democrats

That pretty much sums it up right there.

Let it burn.

nukemhill on November 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Screw it. Let it burn.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Unleash the Democratic “vision” of tax hikes and endless debt. Elections have consequences. Let the people have what they voted for.

Yeah… the Sons of Anarchy option.

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Dems should never control the Senate mostly. It’s ludicrous how they keep winning races in red states like what happened in MT, ND and well we know about the dumb@ss R candidates in MO and IN, but still.

gsherin on November 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM

This all makes sense unless Obama decides to go the Morsi route – then what?

redguy on November 27, 2012 at 7:45 PM

The little fella is already testing the waters. Meanwhile Boehner and McConell are getting his towels and robe ready.

arnold ziffel on November 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM

This all makes sense unless Obama decides to go the Morsi route – then what?

redguy on November 27, 2012 at 7:45 PM

You think the Republicans would do anything other than trot Boehner out in front of the cameras for a good cry?

sharrukin on November 27, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I can’t see Reid agreeing to continue the filibuster on nominations. He knows the Dem legacy will really live on in federal judges appointed for life.

Budge bills cannot be filibustered, anyway. Reid has gotten around Boehner’s passing of individual spending bills (rather than an omnibus), by combining some bloated senate versions of bills with some essential spending bills, and sending the “minibus” back to the House at the last minute in a must-pass form.

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Dems should never control the Senate mostly. It’s ludicrous how they keep winning races in red states like what happened in MT, ND and well we know about the dumb@ss R candidates in MO and IN, but still.

gsherin on November 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Hey now, God told Akin to stay in the race. Apparently God is really into the junk science pro-life stance, not legitimate pro-life arguments.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Let the people have what they voted for.

Policy speaking, voters for Coolio have no idea what they voted for…go quiz a few, it is astounding what they don’t know…

hillsoftx on November 27, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I still don’t see how this helps them. Do they still think that Pelosi is running the house?

Call their bluff. They’re just showing off for the netroots.

The filibuster does not work for those “recess appointments” either…

rw on November 27, 2012 at 7:51 PM

gsherin on November 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM

MT had a libertarian running, as well as the Dem and GOP candidates.

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Policy speaking, voters for Coolio have no idea what they voted for…go quiz a few, it is astounding what they don’t know…

hillsoftx on November 27, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Yes, they only know that it’s Republicans’ fault. If we’re screwed, might as well get on with it.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 7:51 PM

The Cloward-Piven strategy was based on the view that if everything collapses that the government would then have to step in to rescue folks.

“Let it burn” leads to the same thing in my view. The economy collapses and where will the people turn?

Nah, that won’t work.

SteveMG on November 27, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Time to govern rule…

Seven Percent Solution on November 27, 2012 at 7:55 PM

God is really into the junk science pro-life stance, not legitimate pro-life arguments.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Have you always hated God, John?

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 7:56 PM

They can make all the deals they want, because the next time the Dems lose the Senate and their own ploys are used against them, the MSM will be screaming the Republican majority doesn’t want to take an ‘adult’ hands-across-the-aisle approach. The only time the Pubs use rules that benefit only them, it’s in mirror of the rules the Dems set first. Then the liberals cry foul and whine.

Why don’t both parties get it over with and form one bloc, and be done with it; they’re not much different anyway. Elections will be easier, because they’ll boil down to which candidate promises the most goodies the fastest.

Liam on November 27, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Screw it. Let it burn.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Speaking of that, I just ordered four “Let. It. Burn.” rear windshield decals for me and a friend. Should have them in 7-10 days.

predator on November 27, 2012 at 7:56 PM

The danger is not of some coup; the danger is that there’s nothing harder to kill than a federal program. Two years of fun, and the nation’s problems will be even more difficult to fix once Republicans regain control. But then we’ve seen that before, haven’t we?

calbear on November 27, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Should McConnell reconsider and go along with the changes? The GOP needs to pick up six seats in 2014 to reclaim a Senate majority. The Democrats have to defend 20 seats and at least six of them — the magic number — are in red states. Rumors of Democratic retirements before then are already swirling, which would make things even easier for the GOP

.

Seriously? We were supposed to gain control of the Senate this year, because the Dems had to defend so many and a lot were in red states. NE, ND, MT, and MO were sure things…we only got ONE of those. The GOP has p!ssed away so many Senate seats away over the last two cycles, it’s hard to imagine it’ll be any different in ’14.

changer1701 on November 27, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Two years of fun, and the nation’s problems will be even more difficult to fix once Republicans regain control.

calbear on November 27, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Republicans spend money like drunken sailors. Not as much as the Democrats but they aren’t in the business of fixing anything.

sharrukin on November 27, 2012 at 8:01 PM

He and 24 others filibustered Alito and I assume it didn’t work since we appear to have a Justice Alito, so what’s he afraid of?

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Have you always hated God, John?

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 7:56 PM

No, just morons. There is a solid Christian argument against abortion in all circumstances, which is that life is life, regardless of how it is conceived. Akin’s remarks cede ground to a secular worldview because he’s an intellectual lightweight (or intellectually dishonest, maybe both).

Akin’s comments maintain that a child born of rape/incest/some other horrible circumstance shouldn’t exist, which is the secular belief. He just contorted around to say that those children couldn’t really exist scientifically, which is a load of crap.

In reality, a Christian message is a hard one to deliver, but it needs to be delivered regardless.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM

The GOP has p!ssed away so many Senate seats away over the last two cycles, it’s hard to imagine it’ll be any different in ’14.

changer1701 on November 27, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Can you explain how the Dems managed to elect a fake Indian?

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM

The danger is not of some coup; the danger is that there’s nothing harder to kill than a federal program. Two years of fun, and the nation’s problems will be even more difficult to fix once Republicans regain control. But then we’ve seen that before, haven’t we?

calbear on November 27, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Don’t know that I can speak for everyone, but in the ‘let it burn’ camp, I don’t think we’re trying to figure out how to pick up the pieces at the end of this, I think nothing will be left.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Republicans spend money like drunken sailors. Not as much as the Democrats but they aren’t in the business of fixing anything.

sharrukin on November 27, 2012 at 8:01 PM

When McCOnnell last ran for re-election, he advertised how much pork he’d brought back to KY.

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 8:04 PM

When McCOnnell last ran for re-election, he advertised how much pork he’d brought back to KY.

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Whose fault is that? I fault Senators for wasting money on earmarks, but if the incentive (votes) weren’t there, they wouldn’t waste nearly as much.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Seriously? We were supposed to gain control of the Senate this year, because the Dems had to defend so many and a lot were in red states. NE, ND, MT, and MO were sure things…we only got ONE of those. The GOP has p!ssed away so many Senate seats away over the last two cycles, it’s hard to imagine it’ll be any different in ’14.

changer1701 on November 27, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Yup. Exactly. Its deluded to blame messaging, computer software, voter fraud, etc., Sure they may have been an issue, but this election was a very clear choice regardless… and the people made their choice. Demographics and dependency only work in their favor going forward.

Maybe we can pick up some seats in an off year like 2014, but ultimately it won’t matter. A few “moderate” big spending republicans barely eeking out a win and a wimpy caucus not willing to do anything but “better manage” the decline.

Timin203 on November 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Speaking of Reid….

US Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says he’s disappointed by little progress with Republicans on fiscal cliff discussions – @Reuters

5 hours ago by editor

canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Can you explain how the Dems managed to elect a fake Indian?

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Well, for one the fake Indian’s daughter worked for a “community organization” group that went to court to get an order requriing welfare offices help people register to vote.

Add in the usual Dem vote fraud….

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Speaking of Reid….

US Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says he’s disappointed by little progress with Republicans on fiscal cliff discussions – @Reuters

5 hours ago by editor

canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM

It would almost be worth it to switch parties just to see how big a load of manure you could feed to the media before they finally choked on it.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Whose fault is that? I fault Senators for wasting money on earmarks, but if the incentive (votes) weren’t there, they wouldn’t waste nearly as much.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Well, KY then went on to elect Rand Paul, who beat out McConnell’s preferred candidate in the primary. So who knows what works in KY.

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Well, KY then went on to elect Rand Paul, who beat out McConnell’s preferred candidate in the primary. So who knows what works in KY.

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Makes your head hurt doesn’t it?

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:10 PM

It’s risky business, no doubt, but if you’re in the “let it burn” camp when it comes to dealing with Democrats — i.e. let them pass their agenda and see how much good it does the country — then here’s one easy way to advance the ball. Unleash the Democratic “vision” of tax hikes and endless debt. Elections have consequences. Let the people have what they voted for.
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Me thinks more American Flags might be flown,upside down
for the next four years!
(sarc)

canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 8:11 PM

OT: If you want your blood to boil on ‘high’

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:14 PM

“the danger is not of some coup”

You sure about that? We can change coup to mega-putche. I fully expect it. What they can’t putche threw the Senate, they will change the rules. What the house doesn’t cave on will just happpen anyway with no budget. To much resistance? Exec order, or they will just use exec agencies.

Don’t pretend they will follow rules.

With no budget and boehner,,, the HO reps doesn’t exist.

wolly4321 on November 27, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I think it’s cute that anyone thinks that our Senate GOP’s would do anything more than talk a good game against the mostest leftist person Obama could nominate for SCOTUS.

myrenovations on November 27, 2012 at 8:14 PM

OT: If you want your blood to boil on ‘high’

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Personally I think turnabout is fair play. If liberals want to personally destroy people for their actions, we can play the same game. Many employers would think twice about hiring a lot of teenagers living the liberal lifestyle (drugs, alcohol, fighting ‘the man’).

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:16 PM

McConnell and Bonehead! Leaders?
What have they done in the last 2 or 4 years?
I keep forgetting!

KOOLAID2 on November 27, 2012 at 8:17 PM

It’s risky business, no doubt, but if you’re in the “let it burn” camp when it comes to dealing with Democrats — i.e. let them pass their agenda and see how much good it does the country — then here’s one easy way to advance the ball. Unleash the Democratic “vision” of tax hikes and endless debt. Elections have consequences. Let the people have what they voted for.
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Four more years of Hopey/Changey ClueLessNess,of the Superior
Smart Power,that is pulling a Carter,seeking public assistance
to dig himself out of the hole that there in,and are ever digging
deeper!

Nuts!!
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The Associated Press ‏@AP

MORE: Obama to appeal to the public on how to deal with the fiscal cliff: http://apne.ws/Upmus8

canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Let the people have what they voted for.

The “people” may not know what they voted for, but it’s time for them to find out. If the 52% don’t feel any pain, they’ll continue voting for freebies.

No pain for the takers, no gain for the makers.

Curtiss on November 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM

McConnell should agree that the legislative filibuster can go, with a specific conditions.

Up/Down votes without amendments on all House bills. Bills that fail, may then have amendments added, and be sent back to the House, if they pass.

amazingmets on November 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM

just remember that the let it burn includes that 401K thingy…you know, where you trade your 401K for a ‘public-private’ partnership deal where ‘your’ money is annuitized and you get a monthly check.

and remember who is coming into the Senate…Warren, Baldwin. Hell, Sanders will have his own out and proud caucus now..

r keller on November 27, 2012 at 8:20 PM

just remember that the let it burn includes that 401K thingy…you know, where you trade your 401K for a ‘public-private’ partnership deal where ‘your’ money is annuitized and you get a monthly check.

and remember who is coming into the Senate…Warren, Baldwin. Hell, Sanders will have his own out and proud caucus now..

r keller on November 27, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I’ll take the penalties and liquidate the damn thing, I’ve already been saving on top of any ‘retirement plan’ vehicle because the 401k taxation idea has been flying around for quite a while.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Let the people have what they voted for.

They’ll still blame the Rethuglicans.

John the Libertarian on November 27, 2012 at 8:22 PM

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I’m not a big fan of going after Lefty kids but it might not take many times before they stop this crap.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Can you explain how the Dems managed to elect a fake Indian?

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM

The same way they managed to keep electing a guy who drowned a woman?

changer1701 on November 27, 2012 at 8:24 PM

canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM

It would almost be worth it to switch parties just to see how big a load of manure you could feed to the media before they finally choked on it.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:07 PM

John_Locke:Good point,Donkey Sh*t,I’m assumimg,haha!:)

canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Can you explain how the Dems managed to elect a fake Indian?

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM

The same way they managed to keep electing a guy who drowned a woman?

changer1701 on November 27, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Hell, the people just elected, for the second time, a Kenyan communist to be president. Nothing further will surprise me.

predator on November 27, 2012 at 8:26 PM

If there was no filibuster the Bush tax cuts would be permanent, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would’ve been reformed before the financial crisis, and part of my Social Security would be invested in the stock market. So I don’t feel any big need keep it.

Mark1971 on November 27, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Let the people have what they voted for.

They’ll still blame the Rethuglicans.

John the Libertarian on November 27, 2012 at 8:22 PM

The 52% will blame the GOP in any event. But so what, 95% of them will never vote for a conservative candidate anyway. They need to feel the pain.

Curtiss on November 27, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I have a feeling after 8 years, Obama will leave the Democrats in the same shambles Bush left Republicans in. His reelection was virtually identical to Rove’s 51% strategy. No business will get done in the next 4 years. Obama is an ideologue who would likely be the most inflammatory poster at a place like DU And doing away with the filibuster would be a disaster. I’m not sure if the courts really matter much with Justice Roberts already in someones back pocket.

TonyR on November 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Burn, baby, burn.

Drive those taxes through the roof.

Debt as high as the eye can see.

Let the moochers squeal when their Free Stuff doesn’t arrive.

MidniteRambler on November 27, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Can you explain how the Dems managed to elect a fake Indian?

faraway on November 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM

faraway:Good point,they have re-targetted:)
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Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

DCCC trolls House Republicans fairly well. pic.twitter.com/TnFha3CM

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canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I have a feeling after 8 years, Obama will leave the Democrats in the same shambles Bush left Republicans in. His reelection was virtually identical to Rove’s 51% strategy. No business will get done in the next 4 years. Obama is an ideologue who would likely be the most inflammatory poster at a place like DU And doing away with the filibuster would be a disaster. I’m not sure if the courts really matter much with Justice Roberts already in someones back pocket.

TonyR on November 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM

The similarities are striking, but I think the difference is that while Bush left behind no real successors and didn’t do much to help develop leaders in the party, Obama has proven that all you need is a good whitewash from the media and you can run people with zero accomplishments but demographic appeal and catchy slogans. Republicans have to have solid achievements in order to gain ground.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Should McConnell reconsider and go along with the changes? The GOP needs to pick up six seats in 2014 to reclaim a Senate majority. The Democrats have to defend 20 seats and at least six of them — the magic number — are in red states.

Silly Allahpundit.

Just how many seats were Dems defending this year? And they managed to gain two seats.

Never, ever underestimate the power of the True Conservative. I’m going to make a modest prediction that we will not be taking the Senate majority two years hence. Terrible candidates championed by the worst among us will see to that.

And to those who say, “Oh King, you RINO, there’s no way that will happen,” I have three words for you. Shelley Moore Capito. Already being challenged by our blind wing, who have rallied behind her primary opponent, nobody.

KingGold on November 27, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Why not take some money left over, cut that clip in to 30 seconds spots and the second that Reid introduces the end of the fillibuster ad buy in all markets that money will by. cut that

No one will care as long as they are not the ones felling the pain Obama can do a Morsi and as long as they are not affected they do not care. Well make everyone feel the pain and care. First they came for the filibuster and I did nothing as I was not a filibuster. During the great depression of the 30′s the whole world felt it. Well there are still areas mostly around state capitals and college towns that are in a boom time and the only pain they feel is they are out of the type of alcohol they like. So they get another type and it does not matter that the new type cost 50% more they will just send the bill to someone else or add it to there personal debt that they don’t about as there next pay check will cover it all. Well make everyone feel the pain. When people are so poor that they have to use 1 ply Toilet paper as the 2 ply cost to much and SNAP does not cover it then maybe there will be a glance at what Washington does.

tjexcite on November 27, 2012 at 9:07 PM

ugh. What a collection of morons. Really, this is the best we’ve got?

ctmom on November 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Hey, remember when Democrats loved the filibuster?

Heck, I can remember when Democrats even loved their country.

“Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

petefrt on November 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Speaking of the Nuclear Option!

PacNet #77 – Obama’s Nuclear Agenda: The Next Four Years

By Ralph A. Cossa, David Santoro
Nov 26, 2012

http://csis.org/publication/pacnet-77-obamas-nuclear-agenda-next-four-years
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http://csis.org/files/publication/Pac1277.pdf

canopfor on November 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Republicans have to have solid achievements in order to gain ground.

John_Locke on November 27, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The differences that may develop over the next four years between the GOP-run red states’ economies and the Dem blue states could give some good illustrations.

Wethal on November 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Give the people what they want!

Protecting morons and idiots from themselves is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Oxymoron on November 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM