I just don’t know what to do?

lisa fox on November 28, 2012 at 5:25 AM

…W H Y
D I D N ‘ T
A N Y B O D Y
A N S W E R
H E R…!!!

Nothing damn well changes, nothing has changed… what is it gonna take?

Will we have to do as our forefathers did? Fight literally for this country?

Or, as a Phoenix, can we arise from the ashes…

I wish I had the answers, I really do… I don’t…

God Bless us all and America!!

I always knew we have some of the smartest people on HA!!!

And uncommonsense, my prayers to you and your family for your Father.

God Bless

All camps believe it is burning anyway. That’s critical. The economy is floating in the air like a cartoon character and it’s going to plunge because anything that could have been done wasn’t. So move, brace as best you can, and let the people of America who made the choice get what they wanted — the consequences of their own choices.

Multiple camps go from there. From Objectivists that want to get on with rebuilding, to people who want to get on with dissociating themselves from the people they consider to be utterly dead weight who are never going to have any virtue, to people who just want to pull the band-aid and shorten the pain.

You are like Jackie and INC and AZ and all — you think the fire can be tamped out and the situation is still salvageable.

I am in the camp of “going my own way.” :) I don’t know if it’s salvageable or not. I suspect it’s a tar-like pit that we can get out of after we give up some skin, and a fire we can put out after a whole lot has been burned up. It’s almost a worst-case scenario: I don’t think we get a clean restart. Some evil changes are here to stay. For a while. So I’ve resigned my patriotism and am now paying attention to order: God, the guideposts he put in me to accomplish (my assignment; otherwise life’s wasted), my family (and other people I can help along their paths) — eventually wandering back to Country, to America — but with uncertainty, because I don’t know who she wants to be anymore. This puts me at odds with my Sarah. Probably you too.

But, please don’t yell at me for not “loving my country” or something. :) My position doesn’t involve moving to France. I’m just saying that I’m watching her pack, and if she’s leaving me, I have to let her go. I am hoarse from my previous pleading and I’m sort of done with it. Maybe she wants to join a commune. K. I’m not. If she wants to stand for something I can still believe in, I’ll stand with her until I die.

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Sorry, but I’m kind of tired lately of the “Let-it-burn” crowd or the “Going-my-own-way” stuff. Imagine where we would be if the founders of our country had such defeatist leanings. And they fought a tyranny that makes the current one look like a day at the beach. They were out-armed, out-manned, and certainly had no recently-lost (and narrowly, I might add) election to bring them down.

They fought for freedom, they died for freedom, and in so doing gave birth to freedom. Those men and women who put their lives and families and property on the line back then would have loved to be in our position now, having just a chance to elect their leader instead of having one imposed on them by virtue of their birth.

If you believe that this fight is over, that all is lost, that there’s nothing that can be done, please step aside (as many colonialists did back then) and stay out of our way. We have a war to win.

TXUS on November 28, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Politicians are rotten to the core, as they use some form of “free stuff” to get elected. Politicians are the problem, as they are more than willing to spend others money to garner the vote. This isn’t a R vs. D problem. It is the nature of the beast. As long as we allow the politicians to make money, and receive money from any interest group, this is the inevitable outcome of society. Tourquemada stated it best, “when the populace realizes they can vote themselves the treasury, democracy is lost.”

uncommon sense on November 28, 2012 at 1:42 AM

What is sad, is that my parents came to the US from a socialist country before I was born. My father went into the hospital on Nov 6th. I truly think his heart was broken based on the outcome of the election. He left Europe for this country based on our freedom, and chance to succeed, I think he saw that die on election day.

uncommon sense on November 28, 2012 at 1:48 AM

It didn’t die. It can’t.

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 2:11 AM

We can either get to work and see that what we believe in get’s CONSERVED, or we can roll over and let the progressives destroy everything our antecedents built. I’ve never stopped writing my congressmen, calling regularly to demand they stand up for our principles, and writing and calling any congressman whom I believe a little pressure might sway in our cause.

thatsafactjack on November 28, 2012 at 2:19 AM

That’s something else that is bugging me. Generally, it seems like the insolvent welfare policies will hit the people that actually want them last. I mean, the very people that one might want to feel the pain and change their minds about what they are doing will be the last people to feel any actual pain. The general environment itself would have to be so sour that they felt it, even though their bills are all being paid.

Apologies for eves-dropping.

Axe on November 28, 2012 at 2:58 AM

We all have valid points and opinions, who can say who is right or wrong for their various reasons eh? You all know I am from the UK, I am in my late 50′s, when I was 8 or so Kennedy was assassinated, and me a child, cried my eyes out, even then as a small child I KNEW what America meant to the world, what this one man meant…

That is a daunting task isn’t it… thats why I said before it starts in the HOME!!!!

Sen Peppermint Patty: “Let them put revenue on the table first.”

Speaker Charlie Brown: “You can’t explain anything to Peppermint Patty because you never get to say anything. I’m doomed.”

May her head split apart every time she says “revenue” instead of “taxes”. May all the heads who allow this to also spontaneously combust, turkeys.

It’s proof at how stupid the land has become.

Starve the Looters (as in bad characters of Rand).

Taking a cue from the martial arts, you don’t always have to be on the attack to win a fight. Learning from war, sometimes a strategic retreat will lead to a victory.

There is going to be a fiscal disaster no matter what the Republicans do. If they obstruct what the Democrats do, they’ll be blamed for what happens. If they negotiate with the Democrats, they’ll be blamed for what happens.

So vote Present and let the Democrats negotiate with themselves and own the problem. Obama is bluffing, call his bluff.

I wish we could deport him and his district to Mexico.

If the GOP does not go along with a deal then Patty Murray gets her way and we go over the cliff. Everyone (who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts) sees a tax increase.

Terrye on November 28, 2012 at 7:01 AM

So, be it. The Dems are definitely Lucy pulling away the entitlements again and Republicans are Charlie making a false-hope attempt to “compromise.” As long as we are going with Peanuts…

Sen Peppermint Patty: “Let them put revenue on the table first.”

Speaker Charlie Brown: “You can’t explain anything to Peppermint Patty because you never get to say anything. I’m doomed.”

We have a spending problem. Entitlements first.

Elections do have consequences, and Mr. Obama ran on a clear platform of increasing taxes on the wealthy.

That is a lie.

Here are some things he did run on:
- Big Bird
- Binders
- Bayonets

Remember those? Just three of the shiny objects deployed by Obama. He ran on nothing in particular, threw the kitchen sink of stuff out and would never stay on any of them. His ‘fair share’ stuff got mentioned so little and his tax ideas so rarely because he didn’t want to get into any venue where he would actually have to talk about them where any audience with a recording device would capture him so he had to own up to his own ideas.

There was no ‘there’ with his campaign and it can only be said to run on shiny objects.

As to the ‘fiscal cliff’: a deal is a deal.

Obama and the Democrats wanted one more year of the tax cuts in exchange for a one-time debt ceiling raise that would last for one year. They got it. Now they get their ‘revenue’ and no more debt ceiling raises. Everyone should be damn HAPPY with that as it was what everyone AGREED to and SIGNED OFF ON. If you don’t like it: tough. Sucks that you made such a bad deal. Live with it. Or your word is worth nothing and you have put politics ahead of the Nation when you specifically said that the deal was good for the Nation and above politics. You can have one or the other, but not both.

Republicans can get blamed for soaking everyone.

The counter is that Democrats now have to live with a set debt ceiling, a bit more revenue and balance the budget. You can’t balance the budget without restructuring the ‘entitlements’ which is their hobby horse they love to ride to victory. Sucks that they have to go after their great pet like the Republicans went after theirs, but there it is.

Stick to the deal.

Even a 5 year old does that better than these so-called adult politicians in two branches of government from both political parties. Some of these elites need to go to kindergarten and get a massive ‘time out’ with a dunce cap on their heads sitting in the corner. For one branch it will be the first time that has ever happened to them, and for the other there are plenty of good corners in their lovely Capitol Building to sit in so the public can point and laugh at them.

They all deserve the pain they all agreed to as necessary.

Suck it up.

Do the right thing.

Yeah, you’ll kill your political parties. So? They have proven to be untrustworthy and useless and capable of only generating spineless spendthrifts. For once you can get your deal by doing NOTHING and letting the flames toast you up to a crisp. Just sit there. Like you’ve done on the border issues for decades. Like you’ve done on encroach regulations. Like you’ve done allowing the Nation to fracture with cities and counties making their own foreign policy. You idiots could have done anything on these topics that are also lethal to the Nation and did NOTHING to stop them from harming the country. So sit again, be slugs, delay the process, stick to the agreement and finish the job on yourselves. Maybe pick up a copy of Seppuku For Idiots, The DIY Kit while you’re at it so as to save us all the 2 year old antics that you dole out on a daily basis.

The country can get along fine without your parties, so do us the favor of self-destructing them, wouldya? That is cheap to do. Just sit there and do nothing. And out of the flames some actual adults who realize that this is self-destructive behavior just might emerge and say, ‘you know, all this spending really does have to stop’. And then act like adults and STOP THE SPENDING because we are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY. You got a last bite on taxes, no prove you are adults and STOP THE SPENDING. I DARE YOU TO ACT LIKE ADULTS.

Terrye on November 28, 2012 at 7:01 AM

from what i’m hearing on the lsm…its all about the gop needs to cut taxes and the dems don’t have to do squat…everything that needs to be cut is OFF the table according to them…

dems want gop to cave while not doing a dang thing about spending

lucy and the football gop…

wake up for cripe sakes

all dem talking points come with expiration dates…

cmsinaz on November 28, 2012 at 5:50 AM

I am not sure it is that simple. The GOP is a minority. If the GOP does not go along with a deal then Patty Murray gets her way and we go over the cliff. Everyone sees a tax increase.

And there are cuts in medicare already to fund Obamacare. I think there will be tax increases and cuts in spending anyway…the question is whose taxes and what spending and it if it will lead to recession and a decrease or an increase in the deficit. If you see what I mean. It is all so confusing.

The Republicans can not stop these tax increases…only Obama can. They go up automatically unless he says otherwise and I do not think that is going to happen…so the whole argument about getting Republicans to agree to this seems a bit off to me…the truth is if there is no deal there will be cuts to medicare and tax increases for everyone. So how does either side win?

The whole thing is just getting ridiculous. I have to admit, after I read that 8 out of 10 of the richest counties in America went for Obama I thought screw em, raise their taxes…after all, we can not stop it and why try to protect the morons?

People are entitled to keep the money they earn. To control the property they own. To live their lives as they freely chose free from government abuse.

People should be freaking entitled to live out their Christian faith without government infringing on that faith! They should be entitled to choose the doctor they want! To acquire the health care services they want without a government bureaucrat stepping in and saying “NO.. you can’t have that operation. You’re too old and worthless. Here’s a pain pill instead. We’ll be pulling the plug soon anyway!”

There are a lot of entitlements out there that our Grand Old Party could be fighting for if they got their heads out of the rears!
One thing I would like to know though is how they can warm their chairs so well with their heads up their rears like that. It has got to be freaking uncomfortable. But somehow they do it.

its all good
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dems want gop to cave while not doing a dang thing about spending

lucy and the football gop…

wake up for cripe sakes

all dem talking points come with expiration dates…

or force vulnerable populations to bear the burden of deficit reduction

We’re all EFFing vulnerable doofuses!

It is symptomatic of America’s national condition that the worst humiliation ever suffered by America as a nation, and by an American president personally, passed almost uncommented last week. I refer to the Nov. 20 announcement at the Asian summit meeting in Phnom Penh that fifteen Asian nations comprising half the world’s population would form a Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership excluding the United States. President Barack Obama attended the summit to sell an American-based Trans-Pacific Partnership excluding China. He didn’t. The American led-partnership became a party to which no-one came.

Instead, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, plus China, India, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, will form a club and leave out the United States. As 3 billion Asians become prosperous, interest fades in the prospective contribution of 300 million Americans—especially when those Americans decline to take risks on new technologies. America’s great economic strength, namely its capacity to innovate, exists mainly in memory four years after the 2008 economic crisis.

A minor issue in the election campaign, the Trans-Pacific Partnership initiative was the object of enormous hype on the policy circuit. Salon.com enthused Oct. 23, “This agreement is a core part of the “Asia pivot” that has occupied the activities of think tanks and policymakers in Washington but remained hidden by the tinsel and confetti of the election. But more than any other policy, the trends the TPP represents could restructure American foreign relations, and potentially the economy itself.”

http://pjmedia.com/spengler/

these little signs, like the student loan delinquencies won’t be in any ‘news’ stories on the TV….but they a bright warning flags

Maybe an R can screw up enough courage to interupt the R bashing on TV and talk real stuff

By “revenue,” I’m assuming she means money from taxes, i.e., other people’s money. Can some politician on our side start calling taxes “taking people’s money” instead of “taxes?” Look across the table and challenge this nitwit. “You want to take people’s money. I want to stop spending money we don’t have.” Yeesh, I was surrounded by the likes of her in Maryland most of my life.

Dongemaharu on November 28, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Well said. However, I think that it is intentional. The R’s want to get on board with raising taxes as well and so have adopted the language of the left to soften their own rhetoric.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 28, 2012 at 4:04 AM

:)

*shrug*

Lots of beta in there, anyway. It’s good to see beta working again.

MarshFox on November 28, 2012 at 4:04 AM

Yeah mahn. I’m going to go pass out — over there — for the night and dream of passing out in a nicer place. You take care.