Quotes of the day
posted at 10:41 pm on November 27, 2012 by Allahpundit
Congressional Democrats are starting to draw a much tougher line on entitlements in the increasingly messy fiscal cliff talks, warning Republicans to keep their hands off Social Security and Medicare benefits…
For many Democrats, these entitlement programs are part of their core identity — aggressively protecting the social safety net programs created by the New Deal and the Great Society is as much a part of the progressive worldview as tax cuts and smaller government are for conservatives. And if President Barack Obama reaches a bipartisan deal with GOP leaders that cuts entitlements, he can expect a rebellion from his allies on the Hill — that is, unless he wins what they consider major concessions from Republicans on taxes.
“Let them put revenue on the table first,” veteran Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) told POLITICO. “I don’t want to hear, ‘Oh well, we’ll close loopholes.’ What the hell does that mean? That’s nothing.”
Durbin frequently deviated from his script but the message was clear: Democrats should engage in debate over how to revamp Medicare and Medicaid, but not right now.
His effort to siphon off changes to entitlement programs from the fiscal cliff debate that must be resolved by Dec. 31 outraged Republicans, who feel like they’ve gone out on a limb by embracing changes to the Tax Code that would net more revenue.
“By ruling out any meaningful changes to our entitlement programs, Sen. Durbin and like-minded Democrats are threatening a nose dive off the fiscal cliff that our economy cannot afford,” said Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio…
“If they are backing off entitlements, this is going to be a very difficult 30 days,” Chambliss said.
Two staunch liberals, Senators Tom Harkin of Iowa and John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, said in a letter to Mr. Obama that he should “reject changes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security that would cut benefits, shift costs to states, alter the structure of these critical programs, or force vulnerable populations to bear the burden of deficit reduction.”
More than 40 House members, led by the Congressional Progressive Caucus, declare in a resolution that any deal on taxes and spending “should not cut Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits.”
Republicans say the revenue to be gained from Mr. Obama’s tax proposals would be dwarfed by the growing costs of the benefit programs.
Elections do have consequences, and Mr. Obama ran on a clear platform of increasing taxes on the wealthy. But he was clear on something else, too: Deficit reduction must be “balanced,” including spending cuts as well as tax increases. Since 60 percent of the federal budget goes to entitlement programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, there’s no way to achieve balance without slowing the rate of increase of those programs.
This could be accomplished in a progressive manner, shielding the poorest beneficiaries from cuts. But that seems less likely to be achieved if progressives boycott serious negotiations by pretending that Social Security and Medicare are sustainable with no reform at all.
Mr. Obama has understood this since at least 2009, when he told The Post’s editorial board that he would tackle entitlement reform…
Four years later, has the moment arrived? Since his reelection, Mr. Obama has fueled a campaign-style effort to pressure Republicans to give ground on taxes. That’s fine, but it won’t be enough. At some point, he has to prepare the American people — and his own supporters most of all — for the “hard decisions” required to put the country on a sound financial footing. That means spending cuts, it means entitlement reform, it means compromise, it means a balanced solution that will please neither House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) nor Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). Only one person is in a position to make it happen.
Obama senior adviser David Plouffe predicted that the fiscal cliff negotiations are “going to get hairy” in the coming weeks, saying President Barack Obama is committed to achieving the elusive “big deal” on taxes and spending he and Speaker of the House John Boehner have tried to strike for more than 18 months…
“The only way that gets done is for Republicans again to step back and get mercilessly criticized by Grover Norquist and the Right, and it means that Democrats are going to have to do some tough things on spending and entitlements that means that they’ll criticized on by their left,” Plouffe said at his alma mater in conversation with former McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt…
Plouffe added that while the White House wants to engage in comprehensive tax reform, they know they must also “carefully” address the “chief drivers of our deficit”: Medicare and Medicaid.
Cavuto reassured McCain that Norquist is aware of such an anti-earmarks record, but noted that “what concerns him is that Republicans seem to be running around with the tail between their leg after the election and acquiescing on revenues and letting the Democrats stream roll them and he says they’re going to pay for that two years from now.” He asked the senator: “Do you feel threatened?”
McCain’s response:
Republicans have to be for some things and we need to be for things and we need to be for spending cuts. We need to be for entitlement reform. That has to be done if we are ever going to be serious about this debt issue. I don’t think we should disrespect Grover Norquist any more than I believe we should disrespect the Heritage Foundation or, AEI, or any others. I respect them. We just don’t always agree.
[T]hree powerful unions — the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, the Service Employees International Union, and the National Education Association — are sending 200 local labor leaders to the Senate on Wednesday to lobby Democrats on “creating good jobs, protecting Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Education, and not cutting vital services that millions of Americans rely on” during the lame-duck session.
Nonetheless, several key aides to Republican leaders told RCP in separate conversations that “the only Democrat who matters is President Obama.” They reason that enough Democratic legislators will fall in line after the White House announces its stance on any potential deal. One Republican source privy to some of the talks between Obama and congressional Republicans told RCP that the president has shown “some willingness to talk Medicare as long as it doesn’t affect his health-care bill.”
RCP asked a handful of those leadership aides whether Senate Republicans would consider raising tax rates on the top 2 percent of earners — as Democrats are pushing — if the White House and Democratic leaders promised to move forward with entitlement reform next year. Responses were muddled: The consensus was that they might begrudgingly go along, but that it would be extremely difficult for such a concession to pass muster with House Republicans, even if Speaker John Boehner tried hard to sell it.
1. If there is no bill, the U.S. economy will probably dip into recession for much/most/all of 2013, and it’s impossible to predict whether such a recession would be short-lived.
2. A 2013 recession would be terrible for the country and terrible for the Obama Presidency. It would limit the President’s options across his entire policy agenda, economic and non-economic. And it could define and dominate his entire second term.
3. President Obama believes #1 and #2, and therefore avoiding the risk of triggering a recession with his veto is an even higher policy priority than his fiscal policy goal.
4. The President wants to get things done. He cares more about his own chances for policy success (across the entire breadth of his agenda, whenever he figures out what it is) than he cares about relative political blame. A scenario in which Republicans get most of the blame for a veto-triggered recession is still a loser for him if it means he can’t accomplish his second term goals.
If my assumptions are correct, then the President cannot afford to veto a bill and have no compromise enacted.
Matthews sure got former Wyoming Sen. Simpson excited over the GOP’s recent war on Grover’s decades-old pledge to not raise taxes. “So how do you deal with guys who came to stop government, or Grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub?,” Simpson asked to no one in particular. “I hope he slips in there with it. We’ll put some soap in the tub.”
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“Whaaaaaat? We’re not supposed to be paying more! That’s for them Republicans!”
–liberals
Liam on April 23, 2013 at 10:07 AM
The tax hikes are not his plan. Somebody else wrote this plan.
BobMbx on April 23, 2013 at 10:07 AM
It only lasted as long as the useful idiots were useful.
Grunt on April 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM
Wow,I’ve always wanted to be rich and now I am.
docflash on April 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM
If this is brought up to him, he will just deny it & make up some lie and the media will let it pass.
tommer74 on April 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Come on. You knew he was lying. His lips were moving.
GarandFan on April 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Being part of the one percent used to feel a lot more exclusive.
But, in a way, it is good to get back to the budget issues (even as the administration is working to make sequestration inconvenient). Last week’s gun-grabbing attempt and the violence and death sorta pushed everything else out of focus. Anybody heard anything from Kim Jong Un lately? Seemed like he was about to invade South Korea or something the last time anybody was paying attention to him. I wonder how that worked out.
Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM
OT: ObamaCare takes another victim…Per USA Today, Max Baucus to retire to avoid reelection bid in 2014.
d1carter on April 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM
We’re doomed!
Deano1952 on April 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM
These tax increases are trivial compared to the ruin that Obamacare will bring down on the middle class.
slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM
If you have a job you are part of the the “1%”.
gwelf on April 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM
ROFL at all you deluded suckers who voted for this putrescent nutcase.
Gitmo still open for business, drones killing everyone everywhere, American soldiers dying at a record rate in Afghanistan, government spying on your every move, terrorists attacking us in our own cities, and now tax hikes on everyone.
You stupid aholes, congratulations on electing this Dog Eating fool and sending us all hurtling toward the abyss; appreciate it and many thanks.
Bishop on April 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM
It is all gonna be ok folks. Honest. Now go back to work and support your President.
Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM
I see a very rocky road ahead for Oslima and the Democrats.I predict a couple more Dem Senators retiring before 2014.Let’s hope 2010 pales in comparison to Nov 2014.
jeffinsjvca on April 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM
After only 36 years? Quitter. That’s why he only made it to third most senior Senator.
He’s not really retiring, he’s just going home to Montana to wait for the death panel to come knocking on his door.
Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 10:22 AM
*DASTARDLY*
Hammie on April 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM
Seriously, you guys, the money for his, the Mooch, and his daughters va-cay-cays has to come from somewhere.
Blake on April 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM
Yeah get back to work! Those vacations and lobster dinners don’t pay for themselves and sure as hell the rat-eared coward and his vile racist wife aren’t going to foot the bill.
Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM
The $600 billion increase they gave us — a gift to themselves — wasn’t enough. They want more. And they’re quite the experts at nickel-and-diming us to death.
First, an increase in the gasoline tax. Then taxing Internet sales. Now, more in income taxes. These are across-the-board tax hikes. I wonder also where they’ll quietly increase excise taxes, like on our phone and cable bills. Or for energy use. They’re still trying to figure a way to directly tax Internet use even if no purchases are made; just having a connection will one day be taxable.
There are other ideas in the works, like a national sales tax and value-added tax. Special taxes on guns and ammo, too. Also, they’re out to either tax retirement plans or take over ‘management’ of them outright. Those aren’t a big sell yet, but one day we’ll see a phony poll that claims 90% of Americans want those taxes on themselves.
It’s not ever going to end, and government will still be running perpetual deficits.
Liam on April 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM
Where is my Obama phone???…
PatriotRider on April 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Your comment is an insult to dastards everywhere.
Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM
His work in Washington is done. No he can go home and let everyone else deal with the consequences.
LeftCoastRight on April 23, 2013 at 10:27 AM
Anybody who doesn’t see that Obama is an outright liar is blinded by partisanship.
….His lies about not bombing other countries without Congressional approval…
…….the Stimulus bringing unemployment to 5%….
……every single major promise about Obamacare has turned out to be a lie…
……..being in the tank with special interest…
………………..taking money from lobbyist…
………..going to cut the deficit in half…
……………….dedicated to transparency…
…Bengahzi being about a youtube video…….
……….”we’ve got al-qaeda on the run”…………
Obama’s whole Presidency is based on one big lie after another and his Jim Jones disciples continue to stay on bended knee to this corrupt poser.
How pathetic liberals are.
Baxter Greene on April 23, 2013 at 10:27 AM
Does your dog bite?
ITguy on April 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM
Do you know what a ton of live Atlantic Lobshter costs these days?
slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM
but, will it be more than one dime?
ted c on April 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM
Crickets chirping on msdnc
cmsinaz on April 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM
those vacations ain’t gonna pay for themselves, ya hear?!!
ted c on April 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM
Don’t forget to send a big F U to all of those Republicans who stayed home from the polls in 2008 and 2012, simply because they thought O’bama was better than McCain and Romney.
Del Dolemonte on April 23, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Patience, Grasshopper. NASA launched 3 new O’bamaphone satellites just yesterday.
Del Dolemonte on April 23, 2013 at 10:37 AM
Where are the trolls to explain this to us?
docflash on April 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM
Looking for tax shelters?
Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM
SHHHHHHHHH!
Liam on April 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM
OT: Some great news for our Democrat friends here. Not only did O’bama get absolutely no bounce in his job approval numbers over the past week (he’s stuck at exactly 50%) a new “poll” out today shows that the approval for Chimpy Bush is at its highest in over 7 years, at 47%. So technically he and Dear Leader are now tied.
Hope and Change!
Del Dolemonte on April 23, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Shame on anyone who didn’t think he was lying.
morganfrost on April 23, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Who knew elections have consequences?
Bitter Clinger on April 23, 2013 at 10:41 AM
My taxes have gone up this year, and I make a lot less than 200k. Obama also promised during the debates “Sequestration won’t happen”. He’s just a liar, as are all Democrats and most Politicians.
kirkill on April 23, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Slurp it up with a straw, lefty tw*ts. You voted for the dog eater and all it entails.
Thomas More on April 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM
Obama is a liar? Who knew?
The Rogue Tomato on April 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM
What Obama has done, he has done in plain sight. He’s told the truth nearly as often as he has lied. He’s made it absolutely clear that he does not scruple sacrificing the future of the nation for decades to hold power for a few months longer. The majority of the electorate simply didn’t notice or didn’t care.
ElectricPhase on April 23, 2013 at 10:44 AM
It’s way past time to go Galt.
UltimateBob on April 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM
…or those that wasted their vote on Grandpa.
slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM
I’ll get the mop ready.
CurtZHP on April 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM
I’m sorry, but haven’t we learned that stories like these are a waste of time?
1. he is not held accountable
2. his budget will not pass
Thus, this story is moot.
Carnac on April 23, 2013 at 10:49 AM
*
DBASTARDLY*Hammie on April 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM
There, thats much better! FIFM… :-)
Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies and LIES!
Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 10:52 AM
Ed, that’s nothing. The real lie is Obama’s Hidden Tax – Inflation .
elfman on April 23, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Google likes Obama’s taxes…how about a massive Google hit tax…that they may go the way of Obama’s green energy rich friends?
Don L on April 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM
technically, he’s right as from what I understand, none of the rates have increased.
nonpartisan on April 23, 2013 at 11:11 AM
Whoopie doo! The folks who booed God at his convention are really going to be upset because he lied? The folks who cheered when his team cried “soak the rich” are going to be upset? The folks who get their free lunches and sit around all day are going to no longer like him?
Look, only people of principle and morals are offended by liars–thus, no Democrat will mind in the least…perhaps cheer some more.
Don L on April 23, 2013 at 11:14 AM
Forget the mop. Get the shovel.
CurtZHP on April 23, 2013 at 11:15 AM
This is the elagant beauty of “taxing the rich”.
All you have to do is redefine “Rich”
I’m almost at a point of being too tired to even get mad. Almost.
Let’s face it, it does not matter what any budget proposal contains. These b@stards will not stop spending more and more, and we reached the tipping point some time ago, more riders than wagon pullers. Damn depressing is what it is.
JusDreamin on April 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM
We need higher taxes on low income voters. Or better said, we need smaller credits for non-productive fax filers. Lowering revenue as a means to shame the Congress into cutting spending (“starving he beast”) has failed miserably. That’s because Congress has no shame. The only way to reduce the size and scope of the federal government is to reduce the looting by tax credit mentality. If people think the Congress is spending their money they will think twice about voting for the candidate that promises to give them the most free stuff.
Ted Torgerson on April 23, 2013 at 11:18 AM
The guy that did my taxes said essentially everyone’s taxes went up. The most significantly those who make more than 150K.
hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 11:23 AM
He didn’t say “rates”, he said “any form”.
Any means any.
F- but thanks for playing.
No consolation prize for you. You do not even get a lousy copy of the HA home game.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on April 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Want to get some love on a slow day? Get a threat to handcuff you to the back of a Prius and have your Cadillac spat upon?
Did you ever go to a Democrat rally and suggest that people who can’t pay tax can volunteer at gov’t offices or semi-gov’t depts, parks, hospitals, nursing homes and etc. (even scrubbing floors, making copies, delivering stuff in trucks) and then watched their reply?
Hhhhmmmmmm?
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM
Partisan has no clue about taxes, since he doesn’t pay any. Maybe his mom does.
BeachBum on April 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM
Pinocchios forthcoming?
socalcon on April 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM
It’s a Tax! Obama vs Admiral Ackbar
Mervis Winter on April 23, 2013 at 11:41 AM
I saw it as my civic duty to Fix this for the pseudo-president
NOMOBO on April 23, 2013 at 11:44 AM
np = Refundable Tax Credit on parents 1040
BobMbx on April 23, 2013 at 11:44 AM
And while Rome burns, Dave Camp is busy playing footsie with a lame-duck Baucus (yep, the same one that authored the “train wreck”), while they waste the first real chance to take a hack at Roberobamacare; John has apparently stepped out to have a cigarette; and Marco wants us to believe that Durbin and Schumer have suddenly become interested in border security and making sure that Republicans are loved by Hispanics. (I guess Marco can’t be blamed too much — they’ve even apparently sold the great future-seer Fred Barnes that Hispanics will embrace Republicans).
Since there’s no sign of any conservative with both strategic and tactical vision, how about one with a simple willingness to stand up and just point out the facts?
Sometimes I think there are 3 Republicans — pundit or politician — left in Washington — Sessions, Cruz, and Paul.
EastofEden on April 23, 2013 at 11:45 AM
Apparently you missed the “not any of your taxes” part. Reading comprehension. Try it sometime.
stvnscott on April 23, 2013 at 11:49 AM
Face it, the moment Obama promises something, it expires.
sadatoni on April 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM
You might be right.
If so, we are lost.
Since I was part of the messed up underclass and was by their side, I found many with dreams and goals and pride.
I have tried to offer ideas and one on a thread was misunderstood and may have led to Vice President Biden’s “back in chains” remark. Since I identify with them, nothing could be more remote from the truth.
Sending people tiny checks every month leaves them in a hellish existence and sucks vitality from the other players. It does seem to insure a permanent vote pool…
By the same token cutting loads cash loose to the general economy will result in it being spent in the predictable channels and it never reaches the real losers. So MACRO APPROACHES will never work to raise the poor. This is unlike what the rulers of Hot Air think. Poverty in our nation is a macro issue with micro targets.
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 12:20 PM
Does Obama want us to like him?
He wants to tax:
1. Flavored Vodka — Distilled spirits currently get a tax break if they include flavors, but the president’s budget proposal does away with that.
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 12:23 PM
2. Golf Courses Are No Longer Tax Havens – developers and deed some land to recreational use (like around houses they will build, no doubt for bigger $$$) and get a write off.
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM
3. A Higher Tax on Cigarettes — and he golfs, too.
Did his wife write these regs?
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM
4. Corporate Jets — but I think it just raises the ADR from five years to seven so more cosmetic than substantial.
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM
5. Businesses Can’t Deduct Punitive Damages and I wonder if he is braced for bailouts.
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 12:29 PM
After this I shut up.
Black friends of mine wonder about our POTUS. His approach to high gas prices is really confusing. Who does he think is hurting? The guy with a Ferrari? Hardly.
I know blacks who compared him poorly to Bush and Reagan. Write and we can go see them!
I talked to some people about the Keystone pipeline. They could create inspection and monitor jobs all along the route with a possible quick transfer to flying labor groups if there is a leak. Yea, I know about PIG tech and pressure checks and sensors and etc. but there is no substitute for people on site with eyes for inspections. And security firms have key systems or other verify instruments to see they keep to a route.
And for the long term seemingly hopeless unemployed: social, therapeutic and possibly pharmacological intervention. I know experts who claim they can get people in a position to succeed. Or at least contribute.
IlikedAUH2O on April 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM
I’d just like to slap his face. *very hard* *several times* *back and forth* *forth and back*
avagreen on April 23, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Where, in Obama’s statement, is the word “rate”? I see “any form” and “any of your taxes”. But no “rate”.
Mitoch55 on April 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM
Technically, he’s a lying scumbag pile of stinking bullschiet and a total a$$ hole.
Any further questions?
NOMOBO on April 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM
Because politicians (and far too many economist-enablers) do not believe there is anything fundamentally wrong with deficits or debt.
AesopFan on April 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM
What? The jug-eared imbecile lied to us again?
Impossible.
Polish Rifle on April 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM