France to vote for UN recognition for Palestine

posted at 10:31 am on November 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, the US warned the Palestinian Authority not to seek recognition at the UN General Assembly, but the warning doesn’t appear to have carried much weight with Mahmoud Abbas … or even our closest diplomatic allies. Earlier this morning, France’s Foreign Minister announced to the National Assembly that it would vote in favor of granting Palestine non-member status in the UNGA:

France said on Tuesday it would vote in favour of Palestinian non-member status at the United Nations, boosting Palestinian efforts to secure greater international recognition.

Frustrated that their bid for full U.N. membership last year was thwarted by U.S. opposition in theU.N. Security Council, Palestinians have launched a watered-down bid for recognition as a non-member state, similar to the status the Vatican enjoys.

The proposal, which is due to be put to the vote in the General Assembly at the end of the week, would implicitly recognize Palestinian statehood. It could also grant access to bodies such as the International Criminal Court in The Hague, where the Palestinians could file complaints against Israel.

The UK may not be far behind, reports The Guardian, although London has put conditions on its support.  One of those conditions is that Abbas agree not to seek access to The Hague:

Britain is prepared to back a key vote recognising Palestinian statehood at the United Nations if Mahmoud Abbas pledges not to pursue Israel for war crimes and to resume peace talks.

Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, has called for Britain’s backing in part because of its historic responsibility for Palestine. The government has previously refused, citing strong US and Israeli objections and fears of long-term damage to prospects for negotiations.

On Monday night, the government signalled it would change tack and vote yes if the Palestinians modified their application, which is to be debated by the UN general assembly in New York later this week. As a “non-member state”, Palestine would have the same status as the Vatican.

Whitehall officials said the Palestinians were now being asked to refrain from applying for membership of the international criminal court or the international court of justice, which could both be used to pursue war crimes charges or other legal claims against Israel.

Abbas is also being asked to commit to an immediate resumption of peace talks “without preconditions” with Israel. The third condition is that the general assembly’s resolution does not require the UN security council to follow suit.

Two issues arise from this break in Western unity.  First, the British might seek a guarantee that Abbas won’t abuse the UN’s enforcement agencies to pursue claims against Israel, but they’re absolutely deluded if they think Abbas will keep that commitment.  One only has to look at the history of the UN’s human-rights panels to see exactly what will happen once the Palestinian government has access to those groups.  They will spend all of their time and effort demonizing Israel, while being chaired and run by some of the most detestable tyrannies on the planet whose own human-rights records make a mockery of the UN.

This also demonstrates the ineptitude of the Obama administration in maintaining diplomatic unity.  Did the White House not know that France and the UK were ready to grant this level of recognition before threatening to cut off aid to Abbas if he pursued it?  Did they even try to get our two allies back to a united front that would force Abbas to deal directly with Israel?  Regardless how one feels about the merits of Abbas’ application, this kind of disunity makes the US look impotent at a particularly bad time to have that appearance.

With France publicly on board, expect the UK to soon follow suit — and the declaration at the UNGA to follow quickly.  The Hague had better start hiring more staff soon.


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So now we’ll have an openly terrorist nation as a member of the EU?

How do we tell them apart from the covert terrorist nations? Will they wear a special arm band?

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM

EU=UN

*sigh*

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM

ROFL

The collapse of the world continues.

Bishop on November 27, 2012 at 10:37 AM

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Now now, there are plenty of UN states with more civilian casualties on their hands than the Palestinians. Take us, for example. If we can drone strike civilians in Pakistan and Yemen and remain on the security council, you would think the Palestinians would make it in in spite of a few rocket attacks…

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Let’s do a thought experiment. Once they have their own state, if they continue to fire rockets into Israel, it’s an act of war (and no longer “freedom fighters” or “insurgents”), and Israel can feel free to send their forces in to kick some Palestinian trash.

Mohonri on November 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Weakness.

myrenovations on November 27, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Does this mean we lose some big UN mojo?

The OIC runs the UN, this shouldn’t change anything. It amounts to another ounce of bullshiite landing on an already overstuffed bag of bullshiite.

Akzed on November 27, 2012 at 10:42 AM

FRANCE……DEATH SPIRAL.

Goodbye French. Hello Islamic Republic of France.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

PappyD61 on November 27, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Now now, there are plenty of UN states with more civilian casualties on their hands than the Palestinians. Take us, for example. If we can drone strike civilians in Pakistan and Yemen and remain on the security council, you would think the Palestinians would make it in in spite of a few rocket attacks… ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM

“In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat jihad.”

Akzed on November 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Now now, there are plenty of UN states with more civilian casualties on their hands than the Palestinians.

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I’ll say; your Communist buddies in Russia make the Palis look like amateurs, they have a bodycount in the tens of millions.

MelonCollie on November 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

the Palestinians would make it in in spite of a few rocket attacks…

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Like 700 rocket attacks agains Israel last year alone? Are those the few rocket attacks your’re referring to? And if those “civilians” were committed terrorists whose aim was to destroy the west and all that it stands for.

But I see your approach (not so)ernesto, those poor Palestinian victims are just misunderstood. That’s all.

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Abbas, whose remit does not extend beyond the West Bank, hopes a strong yes vote will persuade Israel to return to talks after more than two years.

We should recognize the Gaza Strip and the West Bank as two separate “non-member” states and sit back and watch the fireworks.

JeremiahJohnson on November 27, 2012 at 10:48 AM

but the warning doesn’t appear to have carried much weight with Mahmoud Abbas … or even our closest diplomatic allies

Well, when the United States spends four years peeing in the cheerios of our allies, and then re-elects the very man doing it, we can’t very well expect them to stay with us.

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 10:48 AM

France said on Tuesday it would vote in favour of Palestinian non-member status at the United Nations, boosting Palestinian efforts to secure greater international recognition.

It might be intemperate to say, but I don’t think there is a single “Palestinian” breathing that I would not happily recognize through a U.S. Optics rifle scope sitting atop a Accuracy International rifle.

Not one.

M240H on November 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

still wishing they were a state/country.
With government / citizens/ treaties / allies/ responsibilities/ liabilities/ etc.
Then it is Palestine bombing Israel and taking hostages.
Not some rogue bad apples or underground group.

tomg51 on November 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

France goes “all in” with World War III bet.

LoganSix on November 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

My point is simply that killing civilians should not bar one from entry to the UN, given how many civilians we (and the Russians, as MelonCollie pointed out) have killed.

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

So France is going to vote to overturn the UNSC Resolution 242 that it supported in 1967. Brilliant. The lesson here – a couple of decades blowing up Jews and of bad faith -if any – negotiations will get you what you want.

F@@k France.

ProfessorMiao on November 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Who cares what the Frogs think? Screw them. Israel’s problem is that it remains in the UN – a perverted and unnatural institution that has been almost single-mindedly dedicated to the eradication of the State of Israel and a second Holocaust of Jews in the Middle East. The UN only grudgingly recognized the state when everyone thought it would be snuffed out in a week by the arab onslaught. When the arabs failed their task the UN set to spending the great bulk of its time declaring resolution after resolution hammering on the Jewish State. Israel should have left that fetid, disgusting organization decades ago. No nation with even half a brain would belong to an empowered, peerless, competitionless entity, as we all know that such an unnatural entity is guaranteed to grow in grotesque and destructive ways and threaten all of our liberties.

As to the laughable acceptance of “a” Pali state … we all know that there two separate entities that will never be one. Is the UN and France and Barky ready to make this a “3-state solution”, as any claims to Pali statehood always had to imply? Yeah … they’ll wait on that. They’ll just be happy to declare a state with no government (or two government’s) both headed by terrorists. Great stuff …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Looks like Europe is pursuing its own foreign policy, and the hell with the U.S. Europe is taking the first significant step in getting rid of Israel. Obama “leads from behind” as always. No wonder Obama is wildly popular in Europe.

Scriptor on November 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Next thing, the cockroach population will dedamn independence of my kitchen sink.

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

O’s SMART POWER

CoffeeLover on November 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Next thing, the cockroach population will dedamn demand independence of my kitchen sink.

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Interesting typo…

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

My point is simply that killing civilians should not bar one from entry to the UN, given how many civilians we (and the Russians, as MelonCollie pointed out) have killed.

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Agreed. Actively targeting a people for extinction, however, definitely should.

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM

My point is simply that killing civilians should not bar one from entry to the UN, given how many civilians we (and the Russians, as MelonCollie pointed out) have killed.

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Thank you for furthering the diminshing of the UN. Let’s lower the bar until the UN finally becomes so irrelevant that it self-implodes, or lives out its last days in utter obscurity.

How about this ernesto, The US can withdraw from the UN (and stop funding it) and Palestine can take our place? And then let’s move the headquarters to, say, Cairo. Then we can watch from a distance as the animals eat each other.

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM

EURABIA!

And don’t pretend you didn’t see this coming. Soon they will be lobbying hard for an independent state of Palestine created by the UN with no input from the Zionist Entity.

CorporatePiggy on November 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Obama “leads from behind” as always. No wonder Obama is wildly popular in Europe.

Scriptor on November 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM

The widespread perception that Obama “leads from behind” was caused by a misprint. The original spelling was “Obama leaks from behind”.

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Agreed. Actively targeting a people for extinction, however, definitely should.

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Barky does that every day with his drone strikes against the brothers.

The US should be expelled from the UN. The US will have to bear the shame somehow.

CorporatePiggy on November 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Let France and the UK put embassies and diplomatic staff in Gaza. Then I will take their notions of Palestinian statehood seriously.

JohnGalt23 on November 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM

The US should be expelled from the UN. The US will have to bear the shame somehow.

CorporatePiggy on November 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM

You’re right.

Dear UN,

In recognition of our gross human rights violations, we, the United States of America, formally relinquish our membership.

Out of respect for our shame, please move the UN headquarters to Brussels so we don’t have to be reminded of our failings.

Love,

America.

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM

PS. GOOD LUCK, FVCKERS!!!

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

This also demonstrates the ineptitude of the Obama administration in maintaining diplomatic unity. Did the White House not know that France and the UK were ready to grant this level of recognition before threatening to cut off aid to Abbas if he pursued it? Did they even try to get our two allies back to a united front that would force Abbas to deal directly with Israel? Regardless how one feels about the merits of Abbas’ application, this kind of disunity makes the US look impotent at a particularly bad time to have that appearance.

You are forgetting exactly who we have in the White House. Some one who bows to the king of saudi arabia would welcome being carried up in the tide towards palestinian statehood.

My point is simply that killing civilians should not bar one from entry to the UN, given how many civilians we (and the Russians, as MelonCollie pointed out) have killed.

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

How about genocide? When your constitution (or what passes for it) declares for the elimination of the entirety of the Jewish nation, then no, you don’t get statehood recognition.

rbj on November 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

France continues is surrender to Pax-Eurabia.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
–Winston Churchill–

Not all is lost. The Halflings are restive…

French Media Ignores MASSIVE PROTEST Against Radical Islam (Video)

Terp Mole on November 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

My point is simply that killing civilians should not bar one from entry to the UN, given how many civilians we (and the Russians, as MelonCollie pointed out) have killed.

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Duh, when has the US EVER gone after civilians – and only civilians – indiscriminately?

ProfessorMiao on November 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Is the spirit of Charles Martel stirring too late?

French Youth Declare War on Multiculturalism and Collapse of Western Society (Video)

Terp Mole on November 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM

“Leading from his behind”.

Tater Salad on November 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Let France and the UK put embassies and diplomatic staff in Gaza. Then I will take their notions of Palestinian statehood seriously.

JohnGalt23 on November 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Brilliant, love the idea.

My question is, how can the UN recognize a people that never were? There has never been a Palestinian state, language, currency, borders etc… What exactly are they recognizing?

LaughterJones on November 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Let France and the UK put embassies and diplomatic staff in Gaza. Then I will take their notions of Palestinian statehood seriously.

JohnGalt23 on November 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I am sure they have plenty of gay ambassadors to get rid of.

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

They will spend all of their time and effort demonizing Israel, while being chaired and run by some of the most detestable tyrannies on the planet whose own human-rights records make a mockery of the UN.

And how exactly is this different from any other day at the U.N.?

Next up, non-voting membership for the KKK?

ShainS on November 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

The triumvirate of the West could never leave little countries in the 2nd, 3rd world and beyond alone to decide their fate, could they?

Whenever I read news like this one, I wish God would turn the table on them so they get a taste of their own medicine.

vnohara on November 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Wow, President Peace Prize really wields some power doesn’t he?

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM

My question is, how can the UN recognize a people that never were? There has never been a Palestinian state, language, currency, borders etc… What exactly are they recognizing?

LaughterJones on November 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Turds never had a state, language, currency, or borders, and yet you have no problem recognizing UN for a turd that it is. Don’t you?

Archivarix on November 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Wow, President Peace Prize really wields some power doesn’t he?

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Chicago is out? Chicago is out!

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Appeasement. It’s what’s for dinner.

UltimateBob on November 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM

ernesto drooled: My point is simply that killing civilians should not bar one from entry to the UN, given how many civilians we… have killed.

That snear is moral idiocy of a very low order.

Rational folks recognize that America and Israel takes extraordinary pains to avoid civilian casualties, often at the cost of endangering her heroic peacekeepers and their missions.

Perversely, Hamas and its allied terror groups have a cynical disregard for all life (even the lives of Gaza civilians) and actively seek civilian casualties for use in their propaganda battle to delegitimize Israel.

Try harder to avoid conflating collateral wartime casualties with the intentional targeting of innocents by Hamas.

Terp Mole on November 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Remember when Islam was a peaceful religion of daffodils and lollipops spreading across the Middle East and then into Europe by Muhammed and his successors?

mmmmm, how was Islam stopped from conquering Europe and the West again?

mmmmm, let me see…..

PappyD61 on November 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Rodney “can’t we all just get along” King must have been Obama’s long lost father.

Tater Salad on November 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM

If admitted to the UN maybe they could be entitled to better rockets.

Tater Salad on November 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I say we move to de-recognize France at the UN. They give up all the time anyway.

ConservativePartyNow on November 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

The Sinai would make a lovely place to put these people. The new Egyptian government loves paleoarabs so much, let them have em.

RobertE on November 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

And people honestly wonder why I laugh and say the UN is a worthless organization that does nothing but cost us $ and give us headaches.

Reason #4,524 why the UN is worthless!

nextgen_repub on November 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Say, couldn’t France just recognize Palestine and then urge others to do so and NOT go through the UN?

Ditto any other Nations that want to support the Palestinians: recognize them on your lonesome.

That is the way the thing works, after all. You all have foreign ministries or state departments for this sort of deal, so use ‘em! Do the right thing all on your lonesome! Be upright, forthright, moral and all that good stuff, and then use your influence with your friends and allies to get them to do the same.

Yes that cuts down on extorting money from the US via its UN donations to siphon off to the Palestinians, but you could, actually, just support the Palestinians with trade and such directly. I mean they *must* have something to trade there other than DIY suicide bomber kits.

ajacksonian on November 27, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Bottom line: a group of people who proudly train their own children to detonate themselves in order to cause casualties for the other side, should never be allowed to have any representation in The UN.

NapaConservative on November 27, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Yesterday, the US warned the Palestinian Authority not to seek recognition at the UN General Assembly

LOL, yeah, the international community is really scared of what Obama might do if they defy the US on an issue like this.

Good Lt on November 27, 2012 at 11:20 AM

The Sinai would make a lovely place to put these people. The new Egyptian government loves paleoarabs so much, let them have em.

RobertE on November 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

So, would the US be the ones policing them then?

ConservativePartyNow on November 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM

What could go wrong?

vcferlita on November 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM

When the Jihad finally takes over France will they blow up the Eiffel Tower?

docflash on November 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM

And Susan rice wants to be SOS

Puhleeze

cmsinaz on November 27, 2012 at 11:31 AM

But,… if the Palis can take Israel to court for War crimes, could not the Israelis do the same to the Palis? Rocket attacks as a Casus Belli? Let em have a Country, if they can keep it,
Bob

Bobnormal on November 27, 2012 at 11:36 AM

ernesto on November 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM

First of, let me say you are such a moron that you make morons look like Rhodes Scholars.

If Canada started lobbing missiles at us constantly all the while stating we have no right to exist and they will wipe us off the map, you better believe we would pound them to rubble. Any nation would. Israel has the right to do just that. What you soft headed libtards seem to forget is that Israel is a sovereign and recognized nation while Palestine is not.

The problem in this whole thing is not Israel, it is those nations and people that are under the sway of Islam. Islam is a pox on this planet and its greatest source of bloodshed. But really what can you expect from a fanatical religion that was founded by a mass murdering pedophile that demands that the world convert to its savage religion or die.

Wolftech on November 27, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Wow, President Peace Prize really wields some power doesn’t he?

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Barky’s 3000% in favor of this, his lying public protestations notwithstanding. The frogs are helping him out on this as repayment for Barky having un-Constitutionally put the US military at the frogs’ command in Libya. The frogs were interested in oil fields and Barky was interested in seeing pan-islamism finish washing over the arab world and wiping away the pan-arabism of the last half-century. As bad as pan-arabism was (and it clearly was monstrous and barbaric), pan-islamism is far worse.

Interesting, as Q’Daffy was a Barky favorite for so many years – having been a centerfold for the crypto-Christian-Marxist Trinity Church’s magazine … just as Assad was the left’s lovie-dovey for so long (“a real reformer”).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Liberals pray at the altar of the UN

The UN created Israel (as it exists today).

Liberals demand Israel submit to those who would eradicate them.

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

The idea of a Palestinian state will be a short-lived proposition. In the next ten years, their territories (through conquest) will become a part of Israel and the current mythical ‘homeland’ of the ‘Palestinian people’ will be a thing of the past.

zoyclem on November 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The UN created Israel (as it exists today).

Washington Nearsider on November 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

No, it didn’t. Israel had to defend its existence by force of arms, which the UN did nothing for. The UN, in fact, had assumed that the new state would have been snuffed out in a week by the arabs (as all thought). The debate in Israel was whether to bother waiting for UN recognition in declaring the state, or not. In the end, it didn’t matter since Israel’s existence was secured and guaranteed by no one but Jews in the Holy Land.

In the end, Israel would have been much better off not waiting for the UN – just as Israel would have been much better off keeping the Sinai and telling Carter to take a hike on that Camp David BS. Peace with arabs is a joke. The Syrian border has been quieter than the Egyptian border for all these years, and now there’s not even any comparison, at all.

I understand your intended point about leftists and their hypocrisy, but the UN really had nothing to do with the establishment of the state and has spent the great bulk of its time, afterwards, dedicated to the eradication of it (as you point out, I assume). Israel’s best bet is to leave the UN (as any sane nation should). As to trying to win a logical argument with leftists … give it up. They’re impervious to logic or reason.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM

CorporatePiggy on November 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM

CorporatePiggy on November 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Is today computer use day at the Ron Paul Home of the Mentally Disabled and Criminally Insane?

Wolftech on November 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

My question is, how can the UN recognize a people that never were? There has never been a Palestinian state, language, currency, borders etc… What exactly are they recognizing?

LaughterJones on November 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Are you kidding? We, and the UN, do it all the time. Really, who were the “Yugoslavians” anyways?

JohnGalt23 on November 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Is today computer use day at the Ron Paul Home of the Mentally Disabled and Criminally Insane?

Wolftech on November 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Go howl at the moon, mongrel.

MelonCollie on November 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Wolftech on November 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Huh? WTF are you talking about? I’m a strong Eldad supporter.

I think you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I’m sure Susan Rice was right on top of the situation at all times. Kind of like when she worked with Richard Clark to persuade Clinton not to accept Sudan’s offer to hand over Osama bin Laden to the United States. Or when she and Clark authored the controversial Presidential Decision Directive 25, which some argue was incredibly naïve and led to the 1993 Somalia fiasco—the “Blackhawk Down” incident—in which American troops were killed and dragged through the streets by an angry mob. Or when she encouraged Clinton to do nothing to stop the Rwanda genocide.

Oh, wait, I can’t criticize Rice because that would make me racist and sexist. Never mind. She is the greatest human being on the face of the earth and the United Nations should be happy to have even enter the building!

Colony14 on November 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 11:38 AM

It’s depressing when there doesn’t seem to be an up side to the region. It never ceases to amaze me that Israel is surround by bat sh!t crazy and some how is portrayed as the villain.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

There is a fairly simple solution but we are not smart enough to carry it out. All threats from the arab/persian/muslim world start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields. Those fields are the source of all power in the arab/persian/muslim world. It was our great mistake to let them steal control of those fields in the forced nationalization waves of the mid-20th century … and it’s been nothing but major problems and threats from them ever since.

But, as I said, we’re not smart enough to retake the fields and take those weapons out of the hands of the APM world – not that this is even a possibility, now, with the Indonesian occupying the White House – so the threat to us and to Israel will continue until something much more drastic is done. Oh well, that’s what happens when primitives are allowed such powerful weapons. It’s not as if this wasn’t easily predictable decades ago, but Western civilization has long been stuck in this idiotic fantasy of being able to empathize with tribalistic societies based on desert arab culture. They just don’t think the way we do, don’t react to situations the way we do, and are generally opaque to logical, Western reasoning about events (as we tend to examine all things from an individualistic point of view). Life is very cheap in the APM world – so cheap that Westerners can’t really comprehend it, as we prove with our insane ROE that value their lives much more than they value them, themselves.

Israel has a chance to make it through this (and end up in a good position, even) but that chance is slim and if Israel keeps giving the arabs one opportunity after another to annihilate them (as Israel has to refight the same exact war every ten years, like clockwork) eventually the arabs will win, if just by the simple probabilities of Bernoulli trials.

As far as us … we threw the towel in when we chose Suicide by Indonesian and put that question completely to rest with the re-election.

Truly sad.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

The UN isn’t as useful a tool of Western Imperialism we’d hoped. Time to ditch it.

Foxhound on November 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

US will pretend not to…don’t be fooled.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I’m surprised we Britons found time for Palestine when we’ve got important issues like gay marriage to attend to…..

EnglishRogue on November 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Since new information would indicate that we have substantial supplies ourselves, couldn’t we render them impotent by just using our own resources? Unfortunately I believe the anti-war crowd is also the environmental crowd. Funny how that works.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Now can we call Susan Rice incompetent without being raaaaaaacist?

kringeesmom on November 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

EnglishRogue on November 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

According to my young adult children it played large in our election. I’m throwing in the towel, let the divorce lawyers double their fun and income. I think a new minority constituency based on who people “love” is just great.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

kringeesmom on November 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

She’s a Rhodes Scholar so I guess you can’t call her dumb, so racist will have to do. I personally think she just drew the short straw. Nobody believe the garbage she was pedaling.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Since new information would indicate that we have substantial supplies ourselves, couldn’t we render them impotent by just using our own resources?

No. Even though getting more oil and gas domestically helps us and hurts OPEC, oil is still the lifeblood of the world and the gulf oil fields still yield immense amounts of power – political, financial, and strategic. As the arabs showed with their boycott of 1973, they are happy to harm themselves in order to attack the West – no surprise coming from the group whose main offensive tactic is suicide bombing. So long as the APM world has control of the gulf oil fields (that they stole) they will have immense power and will continue to be an existential threat to the West. As it is, now, we get very little oil from the middle east, but it’s the rest of the world and the basic world market that really matters.

Even if we were able to generate all the power we need from nukes and didn’t use much oil, at all, the APM world would still hold much power over the rest of the world and, therefore, pose a threat to us (which they would be happy to exploit whenever they thought they might get a kill shot at us).

Unfortunately I believe the anti-war crowd is also the environmental crowd. Funny how that works.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Yep. Western leftists are just suicidal nihilists. They will always be in favor of anything that serves to kill the West. These self-hating leftists are just the bad that one must accept with the great good of an individualistic society. Individualism gives society great power, freedom, productivity, … but the weaker personalities in an individualistic society (based on guilt/atonement, as Judeo-Christian cultures are) end up being suicidal maniacs looking to destroy everything familiar to them. That’s just how it goes.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Don’t look now but those are the ones in charge now and I think they would be very insulted at being compared in any way to Judeo-Christian cultures. But they have the school system and are cranking out stupid as fast as they can so I’m not hopeful for our future.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Are you kidding? We, and the UN, do it all the time. Really, who were the “Yugoslavians” anyways?

JohnGalt23 on November 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Why is it then that calls for a separate for the Palestinian state are a recent, after Israel regained control of their homeland, affair? If you think I am questioning the authority and legitimacy of the UN you’re correct in thinking so. Again it’s the idea that the Palestinians are getting their country back from Israel which is absurd, because it has never existed.

LaughterJones on November 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

France is a bad example for anything . . . when they’re not busy giving up or getting their asses kicked, they’re driving their socialistic cess pool into bankruptcy.

rplat on November 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM

This also demonstrates the ineptitude of the Obama administration in maintaining diplomatic unity. Did the White House not know that France and the UK were ready to grant this level of recognition before threatening to cut off aid to Abbas if he pursued it?

You assume the goal of the Obama administration is actually to block UN recognition of the Palestinians. But Obama and his fellow liberals have a great deal of sympathy for Palestinians, which is tempered only by their need to keep Jewish voters in the Democratic fold. What if Obama is just posturing to appease Jewish voters? Then, once the Palestinians are recognized, Obama will then “sheepishly” tell Americans we have no choice but to go along because the UN has spoken…

Outlander on November 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Outlander on November 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I agree. Whatever dissent Obama is putting forward is for show.

Cindy Munford on November 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

But, it’s not a real country. Next they’ll be voting on membership for Gay-land and Woman-sylvania and Jihadistan. Think we conservatives can get an Alternate States of America vote?

ironked on November 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Mohonri on November 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

That’s how I see it too. No more “occupied peoples” crap, even after Israel withdrew entirely from Gaza and the WB. If they want to be a nation and conduct acts of war then they can live with the big boy consequences of war.

MJBrutus on November 27, 2012 at 5:42 PM

The UN has long stopped being a useful organization. The building is overrun by rats, both rodent and human varieties. We should make them pay the US rent for the building. Nothing is free in America now.

We’re broke and we can’t afford to support the UN.

carolt2 on November 27, 2012 at 7:18 PM

France to vote for UN recognition for Palestine

…will the frogs have their head and face covered when they do it?

KOOLAID2 on November 27, 2012 at 9:58 PM