Supreme Court to decide this week whether to rule on gay marriage
posted at 7:46 pm on November 26, 2012 by Allahpundit
Belated good news for those of you who were disappointed in gay marriage’s victories at the polls on election day: Those victories may have inadvertently saved the prohibitions on gay marriage in other states.
Usually, the justices are inclined to vote to hear a case if they disagree with the lower court ruling. The most conservative justices — Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. — almost certainly think the 9th Circuit’s ruling was dubious. Scalia, for example, says the “equal protection” clause, added to the Constitution after the Civil War, aimed to stop racial discrimination and nothing more. He often insists the justices are not authorized to give a contemporary interpretation to phrases such as “equal protection.”
If Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. joins the other three, the conservatives would have the needed four votes to hear the Proposition 8 case.
They may hesitate. To form a majority, they would need Kennedy, the author of the court’s two strongest gay rights rulings. His 2003 opinion struck down a Texas anti-sodomy law and said the state could not “demean” gays by treating them as second-class citizens. Five months later, the Massachusetts high court, citing Kennedy’s opinion, became the first to rule that gays and lesbians had a right to marry.
There are actually a bunch of cases they could vote to take up, from Prop 8 to various DOMA challenges. Kennedy has written not one but two landmark opinions on gay rights so it’s highly likely that he’ll vote with the Court’s liberals to form a majority if/when those issues finally land before them. In other words, how the Court will eventually rule is less of a mystery than whether they’ll choose to intervene in this subject at all; Friday’s vote on whether to grant cert and accept the cases is therefore momentous.
But wait. If you only need four votes to grant cert and if Kennedy’s opinion that the Equal Protection Clause protects gay marriage is all but assured, then why don’t the four liberals on the Court force the issue by voting to take the Prop 8 case? Answer: For the moment, it’s bad strategy. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, February 2012:
At the time of Roe v. Wade, abortion was legal on request in four states, allowed under limited circumstances in about 16 others, and outlawed under nearly all circumstances in the other states, including Texas – where the Roe case originated.
Alluding to the persisting bitter debate over abortion, Ginsburg said the justices of that era could have delayed hearing any case like Roe while the state-by-state process evolved. Alternatively, she said, they could have struck down just the Texas law, which allowed abortions only to save a mother’s life, without declaring a right to privacy that legalized the procedure nationwide.
“The court made a decision that made every abortion law in the country invalid, even the most liberal,” Ginsburg said. “We’ll never know whether I’m right or wrong … things might have turned out differently if the court had been more restrained.”
“It’s not that the judgment was wrong,” she said of Roe, “but it moved too far too fast.” Same logic here: If there’s momentum for your side of the issue at the polls, why risk igniting a backlash by taking it out of voters’ hands? The best thing gay-rights advocates can do to build popular acceptance of SSM is let it accrue democratic legitimacy. Some, in fact, have been warning Ted Olson and David Boies to knock it off with the court challenges for years in the interest of not judicially short-circuiting the process of public acceptance. If Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, and Washington had voted differently three weeks ago, those same advocates might have given up hope of winning at the polls and resigned themselves to court battles. Now, though, they know they can win — in some states. And the gay-rights supporters on the Court know it too. So maybe on Friday the conservative wing votes not to take the Prop 8 case because they suspect Kennedy will vote against them and maybe the liberal wing votes not to take the case because, following Ginsburg’s logic, they don’t want to taint SSM as something that was imposed by judicial fiat.
Two potential problems, though. First, the Ninth Circuit, which includes Idaho and Montana, has already ruled against Prop 8 and in favor of gay marriage, which means we’re already seeing federal appellate courts hand down pro-SSM rulings to districts that presumably trend anti. It’s true that the Ninth Circuit’s decision was written narrowly, restricted to California presumably in hopes that that would leave the Supreme Court more inclined not to overturn it, but a federal district court in the Circuit’s redder states might end up applying the case as precedent anyway. And even if they don’t, some other appellate circuit is bound to force SCOTUS’s hand eventually by issuing a more sweeping ruling on the subject. The Supremes can only hold back on this for so long before clarity from the top will be required. Second, at what point will “enough” democratic legitimacy accrue to SSM via victories at the polls before gay-rights advocates start pushing again for a constitutional ruling that will legalize it everywhere? Imagine if we end up with an even split among states, 25 apiece, with half banning gay marriage and half legalizing. A triumph of federalism! — except that, at that point, Olson and Boies or whoever’s leading the charge will go back to the Court and claim that gay marriage is now widely accepted enough as a basic right that the 25 holdout states should be compelled under the Equal Protection Clause to legalize it too. In other words, the “democratic” strategy is really just a way of building up the legal case long-term for judicially imposed SSM. In that case, maybe SSM opponents should hope that the Court takes it up now. If Kennedy does as expected and sides with the liberals, traditionalists will at least have a new milestone of judicial usurpation to point to as a rallying point for political mobilization. Good lord, the politics of this are convoluted.
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I vote for federalism.
rbj on April 12, 2013 at 4:43 PM
I am not pro-reefer, and I vote against these things in my state (it seems like all sorts of people who are not sick have medical marijuana cards). But if it is passed by voters, I am very cautious about the feds overriding what the people have passed at a state level.
mwbri on April 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM
Obama: “No WAY, duuuuuude!”
Ward Cleaver on April 12, 2013 at 4:48 PM
Federalism. Perhaps marijuana can be useful after all. Maybe it will force both congress and the courts to move towards federalism.
NotCoach on April 12, 2013 at 4:48 PM
Wrong tack…coach it as: either enforce fed laws over state laws on drugs like u claim u do on immigration or let the states handle both….
Rogue on April 12, 2013 at 4:49 PM
If states can have different gun laws, they can have different drug laws.
Federalism!
Seven Seas on April 12, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Choom for me, but not for thee
famous amos on April 12, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Federalism. The feds should focus on its expressed duties and quit usurping the States.
AH_C on April 12, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Great to see the GOP standing up for Federalism
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antifederalist on April 12, 2013 at 4:50 PM
The Federal Government would never go after a state trying to deal with it’s problems legislatively. Just ask the people of Arizona….
brainy435 on April 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM
The stupid, it hurtsssss!
Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Obama enforce federal laws? What R U smoking?
LetsBfrank on April 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM
How exactly is immigration not a federal issue? I don’t have a problem with states enforcing their own laws on the issue because they have a vested interest in dealing with illegals. But that does not follow that the federal government has no place on the issue. These are people coming into the country from outside the nation, and they are crossing state lines.
NotCoach on April 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Dopey Hopey
Schadenfreude on April 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM
The police power belongs to the states only. If the feds want to ban sales across state lines, that’s fine…but federalism, ‘kay?
Othniel on April 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM
if Washington federalism irritates Alabama and Virginia, then Olympia needs more of it (accidental though it may be).
Jeddite on April 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM
That picture is your president, fools of the world.
Schadenfreude on April 12, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Since pot destroys lungs like nothing else and, thanks to Obamacare, I pay for the results of that damage, enforce the anti-pot laws.
In a sane world, a person would live free to smoke all the pot they wanted (and die free after being shot for stealing munchie-money).
ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 5:03 PM
There is only one conservative position, and it’s the one espoused by Clarence Thomas in his dissent a few years back.
notropis on April 12, 2013 at 5:06 PM
LegendHasIt on April 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM
All drugs should be legal. Cuts down on robberies, burglaries, etc. Frees up court, jail and prison space. Less costs for judges, prosecutors, public defenders, police officers, federal agents, state agents, etc. Less retirement & medical costs for previous list. Why are drugs illegal anyway?!?
Karmi on April 12, 2013 at 5:20 PM
If a pol is pro-pot, does that make him a pol pot?
Steve Z on April 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM
Dave’s Not Here.
Del Dolemonte on April 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM
GOP Congressmen: Screw your Federalism! I’m in charge! I’m not about to be usurped by some state assembly anymore than I am by the will of the people!
Wait…
Sgt Steve on April 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM
Federalism.
Sadly, the marijuana issue shows that many so-called conservatives are just as willing to violate the constitution when it’s convenient for them as are liberals.
Either you believe in federalism or you don’t. If you think the Feds should crack down on states that legalize marijuana within their own borders, you don’t believe in federalism, so don’t pretend.
thirteen28 on April 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Let the states handle the pot laws.
Impeach any federal pol that won’t deal with the illegal alien problemper the law they have sworn to enforce.
DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM
GOP smaller government.
beatcanvas on April 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Hmm… it ate my brackets. How about this then:
GOP =/= smaller government.
beatcanvas on April 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM
Where those 3 in defending Brewer and border states?
That is the Feds job they don’t do and ignore..then attack
the Gov’s for doing their job. But weed…Federalism is suddenly important. Funny how they pick and choose. lol
The GOP-you wanna win some much needed ground?
It isn’t ghey SSM or pandering to minorities..
get behind the states and decriminalize weed.
I am all for it.
The history behind “refer madness” is quite interesting
and the Govt propaganda that promoted it.
Hint* had to do with Race and minorities.
Even Palin hinted that LE needs to use resources and focus on real crime..not the doobie guy. As one who is prescribed tons of meds for a condition..the pills I take are way worse then smoking some weed. The hysteria about weed, amuses me.
bazil9 on April 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM
Impeach any federal pol that won’t deal with the illegal alien problemper the law they have sworn to enforce.
DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Why Dan, is the Man.
bazil9 on April 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM
I hang out by the local bingo parlor and mug any old bat more feeble than myself.
Those Godiva chocolates aren’t cheap.
katy the mean old lady on April 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM
goin’ downtown
goin’ to see my gal
goin’ to sing her a song
goin’ to show her my dahing dong
that Blind Melon Chitlin’ had the screw before DJ was born
DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Stimulus.
rhombus on April 12, 2013 at 6:03 PM
“Three GOP reps to Obama: Stop these pro-marijuana states from violating federal law”
…have no fear, OBOZO will get right on that immediately after he starts enforcing US immigration laws.
TeaPartyNation on April 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM
—-BTW: can you spell “I-M-P-E-A-C-H-A-B-L-E O-F-F-E-N-S-E”?
TeaPartyNation on April 12, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Karmi on April 12, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Stimulus.
rhombus on April 12, 2013 at 6:03 PM
Jobs…majority being Govt jobs and bene’s.
War on drugs is very profitable..for both sides.
bazil9 on April 12, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Wow. You are mean. lol
ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM
IT IS REAL SIMPLE
If you support alcohol being legal, the STFU about marijuana. What is the average ratio of calls that local law enforcement receive on a nightly basis that are ALCOHOL related?? Weed related?? Yeah I thought so.
I’ll be at the 1st ever US Cannabis Cup next week in Colorado. AP if you want to ask me about it for the post that I’m sure you’ll write up about it, feel free.
jephthah on April 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Either you’re for the 10th amendment or not.
ratherbskiing on April 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Rep. Andrew Harris (R-MD.)
Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.)
Jo Bonner (R-Ala.)
I was born in Seattle, have lived in Washington State all my life and am proud that my state was one of the first to legalize MJ. If the three fascists listed above send their jackboots to my state to impose their views on my state, I hope that the law enforcement agents of my state will stop them, forcibly if necessary. If they can’t or won’t, if these fascists use the feds to crack down on my state, then I demand that the feds crack down on Maryland, Virginia and Alabaman! I want the feds to send their jackboots into those states and force their churches to marry gay people, whether they like it or not. If they refuse, throw them strip away their liberty and throw them in prison to rot. If these three states try to restrict abortion, all the guilty parties involved need should be subject to mandatory minimums. If a doctor in one of those three states, even at Catholic hospitals, refuse to abort babies on demand, they get three strikes and they’re out! Send them to the clink for 50 or a hundred years and throw away the keys.
If Andrew Harris, Frank Wolf and Jo Bonner (R-Ala.) want to make war on my state, I want to make war on theirs!
FloatingRock on April 12, 2013 at 7:48 PM
These three Congressman perfectly represent why people scoff when we try to convince them the GOP is the party of small government and liberty. As long as this party is led by people who first and foremost want to act as the morality police, we will LOSE.
Reggie1971 on April 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM
Marijuana can be legally possessed with a federal license. You get a stamp to put on your packaging, like the cigarette tax stamp.
They rarely grant it, only e.g. to “researchers,” but that’s the long and short of it.
That’s how weed was made illegal: it was licensed, and few licenses are granted.
When something is licensed, like dentistry, it is illegal to do it, sell it, or possess it w/o the license.
There is no need for new laws to “legalize” weed. The feds just need to start granting licenses to applicants. They could then regulate how the substance is possessed and distributed: no license needed for people with less than .x oz. License required for over .x oz. No one under xx years of age may possess. Etc. Easy.
Akzed on April 12, 2013 at 9:15 PM
Federalism. 10th amendment. A chance for the Republican party to stand by a simple, Constitutional message — and one that happens in this case to resonate strongly with young voters.
SunSword on April 13, 2013 at 7:42 AM
I say go for the BIG ONE!
Let’s force this to the supreme court and overturn Wickard vs Filburn!
Freddy on April 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM