Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on November 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

The office of Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi has said that the decree giving him sweeping new powers is temporary and not intended to concentrate power in his hands

“The presidency reiterates the temporary nature of those measures, which are not intended to concentrate power, but to avoid … attempts to undermine democratically elected bodies and preserve the impartiality of the judiciary,” the statement said.

Mr Mursi said he was committed to engaging all political forces to reach common ground on the constitution.

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The protests, both on the street and in the courtroom, do not appear large enough to dent the president’s momentum, says Mustapha Kamel Al Sayyid, a political science professor at the American University in Cairo.

“I think that the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is planning a big demonstration … on Tuesday suggests that they are not inclined to accept a compromise,” he says. “I think they are planning to send a message that they have more support in the country than the secularists, and they will not change their position.”…

Some of the young men joining in the rock-throwing against police complained bitterly that this police force was no different than the one that was notorious for brutality and abuse under Mr. Mubarak, and which continued those policies under military rule. “Morsi’s police is attacking us and shooting us just like Mubarak’s police did,” said Ahmed Ali, a 14-year-old protester who wore a scarf because of tear gas. “And now Morsi wants to be a dictator. We won’t allow a new dictator to take Mubarak’s place.”

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Precisely because he represents the Muslim Brotherhood, the vanguard of Arab Islam, and precisely because he was democratically elected, if Morsi threw his weight behind an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, it would be so much more valuable to Israel than the cold peace that Sadat delivered and Hosni Mubarak maintained. Sadat offered Israelis peace with the Egyptian state. Morsi could offer Israel peace with the Egyptian people and, through them, with the Muslim world beyond.

Ironically, though, all of this would depend on Morsi not becoming a dictator like Mubarak, but on him remaining a legitimately elected president, truly representing the Egyptian people. That is now in doubt given Morsi’s very troubling power grab last week and the violent response from the Egyptian street. President Obama has to be careful not to sell out Egyptian democracy for quiet between Israel and Egypt and Hamas. We tried that under Mubarak. It didn’t end well.

No doubt Morsi’s price for engaging with Israel would be the Arab Peace Initiative — full Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem, save for mutually agreed-upon land swaps, and some return of refugees, in return for full normalized relations. If Morsi advanced such a proposal in direct talks with Israelis, he could single-handedly revive the Israeli peace camp.

Do I expect that? No more than I expect to win the lottery.

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Whatever the administration is saying publicly about Egypt, it should privately be spelling out to Morsi that robust relations with the United States depend on more than simply not breaking Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel. The administration has been poor at nuanced diplomacy (“smart diplomacy,” if you will) in which carrots and sticks are deployed to try to influence events where possible.

We should be very clear, however, that we stand with governments that move toward respect for individual rights, protection of minorities (whether ethnic or religious) and economic reform. Morsi may be an ally, but we cannot give the impression that we approve of or are indifferent to domestic repression. Understanding that we have limited abilities to determine events, we nevertheless should undertake what steps we can take with Egypt to try to deter repressive behavior and to encourage Morsi to fulfill his obligations (including limiting smuggling of arms to Egypt).

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After Morsi’s announcement, the US State Department merely observed that Morsi’s moves “raise concerns for many Egyptians and for the international community”, hardly a resounding US denunciation.

The ‘stability and peace’ trade-off that was reached between Clinton and Morsi in Cairo is clear; in return for Morsi persuading Hamas to agree to a ceasefire with Israel, the US would allow him to seize new ‘temporary’ political powers under the guise of ensuring ‘stability’, both in Egypt and in the region…

As will become clear, in the longer-term Clinton’s deal with Morsi has weakened Israel by linking its security to the Muslim Brotherhood’s political ambitions: if the US does not give a free hand to the Brotherhood in Egypt, the Egyptians will cease to rein in Hamas.

Clearly, this new dynamic works actively against Israel; the more Hamas threatens Israel, the more the US will have to concede to the Brotherhood in Cairo; a formula that only motivates the Brotherhood to allow Hamas’ military capabilities strengthen further, all while the Brotherhood uses its control of Egypt to advance towards its planned ‘last stage’, namely the eventual liquidation of Israel.

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Mubarak was our friend, but a bad guy. So he had to go, and Obama denounced him and helped force him out. Morsi is our enemy, and also is a bad guy. So Obama thinks he’s A-OK, and helped Morsi take power. That’s called “smart diplomacy.” You probably wouldn’t understand.

Other things are confusing, too. Did Obama know that Morsi was about to claim dictatorial powers when he made Morsi the “hero” of the Israel-Gaza cease fire? If so, did he mind? If Obama didn’t know–which seems more likely–does he now think that Morsi double-crossed him by capitalizing on his faux diplomatic mission to proclaim himself a dictator? Or is that one more thing that is A-OK with Obama? If Obama doesn’t like the fact that Morsi has cut “Arab Spring” democracy off at the knees, does he intend to do anything about it? Or, when bad things happen, is it “smart diplomacy” to do nothing and pretend you don’t mind?

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McCain said that “American taxpayers expect” the president to tell Morsi that “our dollars will be directly related to the progress towards democracy, which you promised the people of Egypt, when your party and you were elected president.”

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And let’s be frank, as well as realistic, as a spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, Morsi is not likely to have any respect for the diplomacy of Hillary Clinton, a woman. He can lie with impunity.

Susie Rice probably shares Morsi’s mindset, so it won’t matter an iota whether she becomes SoS or not. Her being a woman is irrelevant.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 10:35 PM

We here are still trying to change the ring tone on our ObamaPhones..

Electrongod on November 25, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The ring tone on Obama Phones is the sound of a toilet flushing. Or is it the Muslim call to prayer? I forget which.

VorDaj on November 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

At least Morsi didn’t run a red light. McCains State would be all over his arse then.

wolly4321 on November 25, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Morsi and Obama are brothers.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM
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Like Mussolini and Hitler.

VorDaj on November 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM
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More like the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler.

tom daschle concerned on November 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM

tom daschle:Yup,the M.E,is Twittering on Moose-illini!:)
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Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng

#Mursi called #Morsillini on social media after his latest decrees http://goo.gl/LrZ45

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/272812550666739712/photo/1

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng
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canopfor on November 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Why on Earth would we expect Morsi to keep his word? His organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, initially promised that it would not run a candidate for president of Egypt, and then broke that promise. The Islamists are the same as Obama and the other Alinskyites trying to destroy America: the ends always justify the means. They have no use for the rule of law when it is imposed on them.

James Thomas on November 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Funny stuff…

… The “peace” (cease fire) plan in Gaza is held until Hillary can land her cankles in from Indonesia and sport the ‘lime green’ color of Hamas.

During which, Hillary goes out of her way to basically proclaim Morsi (sounds like Morrissey, like Ed…. hey… wait a tic) and Egypt more powerful in the region than the United States of America…

… The ‘press’ gives us a new definition of ‘orgasmic’. How nice.

Not a day later Ed Morrissey (sorry) Morsi proclaims himself Ptolemy XVIII and declares himself above the law, (kind of like some newly re-elected chap I know) and our new “smart power” foreign policy blows up in our face, but only Hillary is left to sleep in the wet spot…

… The only thing our ‘press’ can do is talk about how bad the GOP lost.

What’s going to happen the next time the shooting starts…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

The ring tone on Obama Phones is the sound of a toilet flushing.

VorDaj on November 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

A flushing sound and then the beginning of Pink Floyd’s song..”Money”.

Electrongod on November 25, 2012 at 10:43 PM

So, what about that “Walking Dead” episode?

Not much happened but it took up an entire entertaining hour.

cozmo on November 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Not a day later Ed Morrissey (sorry) Morsi proclaims

Seven Percent Solution on November 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

For some bizarre inexplicable reason,I too maker that connection
(kidding ED)!:)

canopfor on November 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The ring tone on Obama Phones is the sound of a toilet flushing.

VorDaj on November 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

A flushing sound and then the beginning of Pink Floyd’s song..”Money”.

Electrongod on November 25, 2012 at 10:43 PM

That’s hilarious. Thanks for the laugh gentlemen.

kim roy on November 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM

“What’s going to happen the next time the shooting starts?”

That friend, is a damned good question and I have no answer. The logical ones frighten me.

wolly4321 on November 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM

For some bizarre inexplicable reason,I too maker that connection
(kidding ED)!:)

canopfor on November 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM

:)

Seven Percent Solution on November 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

OK the holiday weekend is almost over.

Here is a trivia question:

How many pounds did Christie gain at Thanksgiving dinner?

A. Truck Load
C. Boat Load
D. Barge Load
E. Fat Girther buffet load
F. Michael Moore Load
G. Meggy McCain Load

SparkPlug on November 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM

The logical ones frighten me.

wolly4321 on November 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Maybe we should ask the residents of Staten Island…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Morsi is not likely to have any respect for the diplomacy of Hillary Clinton, a woman. He can lie with impunity.
onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Fair enough but he lies like rug anytime. As for Hildebeast, he just considers her a western man.

arnold ziffel on November 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

G:) I’m going with Meggie Mac. State honor. Not everyone is blessed with a Senator with 3 crashed planes and a lovely daughter.

wolly4321 on November 25, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Why do you think this was cancelled?

Canceled because Egypt/Syria/Iran/Libya are flourishing in the Arab Spring?

Canceled because Obama seeks a nuclear armed jihadi caliphate?

Add your theories.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Add your theories.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Shortage of Geiger Counters?

profitsbeard on November 25, 2012 at 11:18 PM

SparkPlug on November 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM

None of the above

H. Obama Hot Air Load

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Interjecting a little O/T levity:

Classified: Screen Shot of Obama’s Laptop
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/classified-screenshot-of-obama-s-desktop-t10054.html

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Hillary was only sent there so Obama the Dim could claim a piece of the credit. Neither he nor Hillary had anything to do with it. Plus, the quiet won’t last long.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Transcripts, passports, student loans, etc.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:27 PM

How many pounds did Christie gain at Thanksgiving dinner?

A. Truck Load
C. Boat Load
D. Barge Load
E. Fat Girther buffet load
F. Michael Moore Load
G. Meggy McCain Load

SparkPlug on November 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Unfair question sir. Thought about it and am puzzled. Since Springsteen won’t return his calls after the one night stand and Thanksgiving has all sorts of culinary temptations the answer might be Jabba, how ya doin?

arnold ziffel on November 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

If Obama doesn’t like the fact that Morsi has cut “Arab Spring” democracy off at the knees, does he intend to do anything about it?

Make up a name for another movement and pretend it’s happening, just like “Arab Spring.”

Axe on November 25, 2012 at 11:36 PM

This would mean among other things deeper American engagement in the Middle East when most realists would like to limit our commitments there, and it would definitely mean a greater American concern about the nature of governments overseas.

It’s early days still to be assessing the second term, but if Rice goes to Foggy Bottom, that would be a sign that Woodrow Wilson is back in style. Less clear would be whether the administration fully understands the price tag: Wilsonian foreign policy is expensive. It involves lots of foreign aid, a strong military, and a global capacity for swift and effective military and political action.

Gird your…wallets. If you’re Israel, be very awake.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Order a pizza, and watch the ballgame.

Oddly, that could work.

wolly4321 on November 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Gird your…wallets. If you’re Israel, be very awake.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Too late for wallet girding. :)

You really couldn’t make this current history up.

Axe on November 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I’ve been robbed.

wolly4321 on November 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Excuse me sir, could you recommend me to a good blog?

massrighty on November 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Why? Are you looking for a job?

/

Solaratov on November 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM

For all its faults, this institution is now likely to be purged and silenced, with knock-on effects for Egyptian politics: opposition protesters will face tougher sentences, Brotherhood members – already widely accused of attacks on rival demonstrators and of using sexual assault to intimidate liberal female oppositionists – will be able to act with greater impunity.

Ongoing, politically motivated prosecutions of opposition leaders, on charges from blasphemy to corruption, will also likely increase. Weakening Egypt’s judges will also enable the Brotherhood to move against other sources of opposition formerly protected by the judiciary.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2132/us_chooses_stability_over_democracy_in_egypt

Axe on November 25, 2012 at 11:50 PM

OT

You read that correctly: 800,000 jobs. And that’s according to the CBO, a notoriously conservative outfit when it comes to projections. (Its current estimate of Obamacare’s cost from 2014-2023 is $2.6 trillion.)

Individuals and families who will be forced to buy their own insurance when companies drop their health insurance plans will be in for a shock. Even with subsidies, some families will end up paying nearly 10% of their gross income for health insurance.

Many economists are already predicting a recession as a result of implementing Obamacare. Coupled with voters doing a slow burn over the sheer complexity and maddening bureaucracy that will come with Obamacare, the Republicans, if they play it right, should find themselves in an excellent position to put a stranglehold on Congress and set themselves up for an excellent chance to win the White House in 2016.

The GOP will be blameless in this fiasco. The warnings from Republicans since Obamacare was first proposed about the consequences of the law will make the party seem like soothsayers. The Democrats will be forced to defend a law that caused a recession, significantly increased insurance costs to families, and brought many businesses to their knees. It’s hard to see how the elections of 2014-16 won’t severely damage the Democrats and make them a minority party for the foreseeable future.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:50 PM

IMPORTANT not so much Important and Dramatic!

#noise

Axe on November 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

OT

You read that correctly: 800,000 jobs. And that’s according to the CBO, a notoriously conservative outfit when it comes to projections. (Its current estimate of Obamacare’s cost from 2014-2023 is $2.6 trillion.)

Individuals and families who will be forced to buy their own insurance when companies drop their health insurance plans will be in for a shock. Even with subsidies, some families will end up paying nearly 10% of their gross income for health insurance.

Many economists are already predicting a recession as a result of implementing Obamacare. Coupled with voters doing a slow burn over the sheer complexity and maddening bureaucracy that will come with Obamacare, the Republicans, if they play it right, should find themselves in an excellent position to put a stranglehold on Congress and set themselves up for an excellent chance to win the White House in 2016.

The GOP will be blameless in this fiasco. The warnings from Republicans since Obamacare was first proposed about the consequences of the law will make the party seem like soothsayers. The Democrats will be forced to defend a law that caused a recession, significantly increased insurance costs to families, and brought many businesses to their knees. It’s hard to see how the elections of 2014-16 won’t severely damage the Democrats and make them a minority party for the foreseeable future.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:50 PM

But stalwart middle class defender lester told me obamacare was proof that obama reid and pelosi are fighting for the middle class!!!!!!1112425yrhdfgdhx

tom daschle concerned on November 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM

tom daschle concerned on November 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM

…wow look at that!…half an hour on a holiday weekend Quotes of the Day…and no comment after midnight!…wow…

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2012 at 12:39 AM

arnold ziffel on November 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

ROTF.

SparkPlug on November 26, 2012 at 12:55 AM

H. Obama Hot Air Load

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Darn Forgot about that option. hehe.

SparkPlug on November 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

…wow look at that!…half an hour on a holiday weekend Quotes of the Day…and no comment after midnight!…wow…

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Like I said a few days ago, time for another open reg. Too bad the Boss Em sold this blog….

OmahaConservative on November 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

The ads on her are really starting to suck and ruin the site

pjf626 on November 26, 2012 at 1:14 AM

arnold ziffel on November 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

SparkPlug on November 26, 2012 at 12:55 AM

…well!…there’s at least 2 of my favorite people (out of many)… that are staying active until the JugEarred Jackazzes and their continued asinine political atrocities get more people who are ‘shocked’ into reality involved again instead of just ‘honkering down’!…hopefully as the midterms approach someone can start firing people up and get them jumping politically…as if there is a whole tube of Ben Gay spread on the crack of their azzhole…and they want some relief!

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2012 at 1:19 AM

He is a Muslim maniac. Just like all Muslims.This charade has gone long enough.

pat on November 26, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Like I said a few days ago, time for another open reg. Too bad the Boss Em sold this blog….

OmahaConservative on November 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

…ok!…but I’m not going to tolerate any TROLLS…I want to see the informative discussions from you veterans… and the ‘good’ ones that get in…(in regards to the tatics and other information regarding policy differences and candidates for the upcoming races)…if you think I was a colossal nutty neanderthal nerd in nipping at these people before, that would hijack your threads…you ain’t seen nothing yet…I’m going to be such a ‘dick’……’mine’ will fall off!

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2012 at 1:33 AM

But stalwart middle class defender lester told me obamacare was proof that obama reid and pelosi are fighting for the middle class!!!!!!1112425yrhdfgdhx

tom daschle concerned on November 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM

They fight for the middle class like the CSA fought for its slaves or a psycho does for his jail girlfriend.

And they don’t realize the harm…

IlikedAUH2O on November 26, 2012 at 1:45 AM

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Lol. Nice rant. I agree.

What is going on out there?

I know. Everyone’s submit button is broken.

SparkPlug on November 26, 2012 at 1:54 AM

If this trend keeps up I predict that there could be a thread without a bishop.

SparkPlug on November 26, 2012 at 1:58 AM

McCain is full of crap as usual: the guy must be on call 24/7 to get his ancient self on the tube.

What a tube monkey!!

Sherman1864 on November 26, 2012 at 2:04 AM

not one more dime towards egypt…cripe…

egypt is just like the lsm….they show their bias, even though they expect us to believe they’ll be impartial…

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 5:45 AM

OT:SSDD
listeningn to the lsm, it sounds like gop is caving to tax increases with the PROMISE of spending cuts…yeah, we know how that turns out…

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 5:50 AM

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 5:50 AM

Funny you should mention that. Here’s my take.

kingsjester on November 26, 2012 at 6:45 AM

so another piece of detritus from the election turns up, in the form of the openly bisexual ms. sinema.

to think i use to give mitt a hard time for flip flopping on abortion.

renalin on November 26, 2012 at 6:51 AM

kingsjester on November 26, 2012 at 6:45 AM

spot on KJ

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 6:53 AM

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on November 26, 2012 at 6:56 AM

renalin on November 26, 2012 at 6:51 AM

?

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 7:00 AM

So we know the Egyptians are being dragged back to the 7th century…..

……but what century are WE in America being yanked back too?

PappyD61 on November 26, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Oh yeah……Forward!

PappyD61 on November 26, 2012 at 7:11 AM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2012 at 7:18 AM

listeningn to the lsm, it sounds like gop is caving to tax increases with the PROMISE of spending cuts…yeah, we know how that turns out…

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 5:50 AM

This could get real interesting. The repubs are signaling deal, but I don’t think Obama wants a deal. I really think he wants to go over the cliff.

esr1951 on November 26, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Esr….legacy baby

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Esr….legacy baby

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Do you think he cares about his legacy?? The media will cover for him and blame it on those evil repubs anyway.

esr1951 on November 26, 2012 at 7:46 AM

Tru dat esr……

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 7:48 AM

listeningn to the lsm, it sounds like gop is caving to tax increases with the PROMISE of spending cuts…yeah, we know how that turns out…

cmsinaz on November 26, 2012 at 5:50 AM

Yes..We have seen this movie before..It does not end well for the GOP..:(

Dire Straits on November 26, 2012 at 8:23 AM

Wasn’t this how Palpatine became Emperor?

ZK on November 26, 2012 at 8:24 AM

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