GOP turnout: myths and reality

posted at 11:16 am on November 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

In the immediate aftermath of the election, Republicans slammed Mitt Romney for not being able to match the popular vote totals of John McCain, but many forgot that the full totals in the popular vote take a few weeks to finalize.  This past week, Romney’s totals surpassed McCain’s in an election that had a smaller overall turnout, Kimberly Strassel reports for the Wall Street Journal — and Romney did significantly better in swing states than the GOP did in 2008 as well (via Scott Johnson at Power Line):

Mr. Romney beat Mr. McCain’s numbers in every single battleground, save Ohio. In some cases, his improvement was significant. In Virginia, 65,000 more votes than in 2008. In Florida, 117,000 more votes. In Colorado, 52,000. In Wisconsin, 146,000. Moreover, in key states like Florida, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia, Mr. Romney turned out even more voters than George W. Bush did in his successful re-election in 2004.

By contrast, Mr. Obama’s turnout was down from 2008 in nearly every battleground. He lost 54,000 votes in Virginia, 46,000 votes in Florida, 50,000 votes in Colorado, 63,000 votes in Wisconsin. Ditto Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio. The only state where Mr. Obama increased his votes (by 36,000) was North Carolina, and he was still beaten by a Romney campaign that raised its own turnout by a whopping 147,000.

The notion of an enthusiasm gap among Republicans compared to 2008 is therefore a myth, one suggested by incomplete data the day after the election.  So what happened?  Did Romney just run out of time, or was Obama’s downturn just short of bad enough to lose?  Not exactly, Strassel argues.  The demographic data shows that Democrats boosted voter turnout where it counted, and where Republicans didn’t bother to seriously compete:

Because what ought to scare the GOP is this: Even with higher GOP turnout in key states, even with Mr. Obama shedding voters, Democrats still won. Mr. Obama accomplished this by tapping new minority voters in numbers that beat even Mr. Romney’s better turnout.

In Florida, 238,000 more Hispanics voted than in 2008, and Mr. Obama got 60% of Hispanic voters. His total margin of victory in Florida was 78,000 votes, so that demographic alone won it for him. Or consider Ohio, where Mr. Romney won independents by 10 points. The lead mattered little, though, given that black turnout increased by 178,000 votes, and the president won 96% of the black vote. Mr. Obama’s margin of victory there was 103,000. …

Republicans right now are fretting about Mr. Romney’s failures and the party’s immigration platform—that’s fair enough. But equally important has been the party’s mind-boggling failure to institute a competitive Hispanic ground game. The GOP doesn’t campaign in those communities, doesn’t register voters there, doesn’t knock on doors. So while pre-election polling showed that Hispanics were worried about Obama policies, in the end the only campaign that these voters heard from—by email, at their door, on the phone—was the president’s.

In order to win national elections, Republicans have to compete in all communities. That doesn’t mean pandering, but it does mean putting free-market, small-government philosophies and slogans into concrete policy proposals that will improve the lives of voters.  It’s not enough to talk about empowering investors to take risk in the American economy; we need to talk about how we can encourage that investment to go into urban centers to revitalize neighborhoods and create jobs.  We need to commit to school choice and educational reform, in combination with a shift in control away from federal mandates (and the costly administration they require) to the local school boards and parents.  We have to have specific policy proposals on the table and the commitment to follow through on them.

Until we remember what Jack Kemp figured out two decades ago, we will never compete for those votes, and end up with a massive handicap in national elections.

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Whatever reason you’re nailed to the wall, you’re still nailed to the wall.

Akzed on November 23, 2012 at 11:19 AM

The lead mattered little, though, given that black turnout increased by 178,000 votes, and the president won 96% of the black vote. Mr. Obama’s margin of victory there was 103,000.

That’s a big increase over 2008 with Hope and Change, first Black President madness. I’m not a big conspiracy guy, but that seems hard to believe.

SAZMD on November 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM

That doesn’t mean pandering, but it does mean putting free-market, small-government philosophies and slogans into concrete policy proposals that will improve the lives of voters.

They laughed at 999, but that was exactly what Cain did with that proposal and it was the reason they had to destroy him. But Herman Cain shows that it is possible with the right candidate and message to go into all communities and show how a free market and pro-growth agenda can be communicated.

milemarker2020 on November 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Seems to me that Republicans don’t need to give into pandering politics like some (Bill Kristol and Hannity) have suggested,

And actually just get out and talk with these people and actually push what the Free Market is and how it can better their lives.

Not government.

MityMaxx on November 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

That’s a big increase over 2008 with Hope and Change, first Black President madness. I’m not a big conspiracy guy, but that seems hard to believe.

SAZMD on November 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts. Check out the only areas in the country that were more democratic than they were in 2008, and you’ll see a map of the “black belt,” an area that stretches from from the Delta to the Carolinas that has had high concentrations of African Americans since the antebellum era. Those areas, and black populatoins in urban areas turned up and out.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Nope, this isnt a job for Jack Kemp. We need to dig up Joe McCarthy and Lee Atwater. The Democrats scared the sh!t out of Americans and got them to the polls that way. We once knew how to play that game and we need to remember that if we wanna win again. No more nice, reasonable competent crap. Lets get out of Dukakis-mode!

Valkyriepundit on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

And actually just get out and talk with these people and actually push what the Free Market is and how it can better their lives.

Not government.

MityMaxx on November 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I sincerely hope you do so. Just be prepared for initial push back. Because it isn’t just that the GOP has failed to reach out. The GOP has also used the demonization of black and Latino people (moochers/takers/welfare queens/anchor babies/self deportation/illegals etc) as an electoral strategy with their own base. Think of the way “amnesty” was seen as political suicide. That “real Americans” would never support an amnesty candidate. Think of the way, rhetorically, GOP candidates have had to be “tough” on illegal immigration to win primaries. And you see the whole that folks have dug for themselves. So the GOP needs to go into the barrios and the inner cities and engage in a *two way* conversation with people. And that may also means aspects of what the GOP does will have to respond to things those constituences want, even if its a rhetorical move from “illegals” to “undocumented.” Can the GOP do that an retain its white base? That’s the question.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Seems to me that Republicans don’t need to give into pandering politics like some (Bill Kristol and Hannity) have suggested

And Ed.

Jon0815 on November 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Change that to free stuff and you would be right.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Change that to free stuff and you would be right.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Or plain old racism.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Why is this so difficult? Who was easily the most popular and well liked republican president in the last thirty years? Ronald Reagan. The formula for success is right in front of them yet they keep putting up candidates who are moderates or fake conservatives. I guarantee that if we put a GENUINE conservative on the ballot we will win (I should say “they” as I have renounced my association with republicans until they actually start paying attention to their base).

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie

Another day, another lie from a typical liberal liar.

xblade on November 23, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Short answer- Romney wasn’t Reagan, multiple protestations to the contrary.

Reagan knew how to build coalitions, get his message out to the “Reagan Democrats,” etc.

Romney barely exceeded McCain’s totals without the “Bush fatigue” handicap, failed to build as good a coalition as Reagan did between the conservative & moderate wings of the GOP, and utterly failed to convince the “undecided” voter- even after being hailed as a “moderate” candidate who could appeal to them effectively.

(Steps on soapbox…) What the GOP needs is a conservative populist, who knows how to stand on conviction rather than try to pander, understands the issues of middle- & working- class voters, and can communicate effectively to this massive swath of the electorate precisely how conservative principles & policies will make their everyday lives better & more prosperous than the disastrous policies of the progressive leftists currently running the show. Could we get a candidate like that next time around, please?

(steps off soapbox…)

cs89 on November 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Until we remember what Jack Kemp figured out two decades ago, we will never compete for those votes, and end up with a massive handicap in national elections.

What did Jack Kemp figure out?

portlandon on November 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Romney lost because Asian immigrants, who, in spite of being hard working and decent people, have no clue what made America the most prosperous nation in the world. They want to come here and live the good life, while at the same time, being ruled by a nanny state big government that will offer all kinds of goodies to the underclass.

They think they can have the best of both worlds, because the GOP was too stupid and inarticulate to reach out to these people and set them straight decades ago, when it became clear that these immigrants lived a Conservative lifestyle and were ripe for buying into Conservatism, if only we had some decent salesmen to sell it to them.

Obviously, the GOP Establishment thought that winning 60% of the White vote would be sufficient forever. The GOP is like an ’80′s Hair Metal band that’s scratching their heads trying to figure out why everyone would rather listen to JayZ than Quiet Riot.

ardenenoch on November 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Reposted from Headlines:

Thinking of Jack Kemp makes me smile. I went to see him speak when he was Bob Dole’s VP pick. He walked the talk; came to Chicago’s South Side–and not the posh Obama & my mama part either. :P

I then wrote to him, thanked him for coming, told him I wished I had voted for him back in ’88 when he was running for President, and wished that Mr. Dole had appeared with him this time to make the sale.

The thick manilla envelope he sent in return blew me away, and to this day is one of my prized possessions. from the signed, personal cover letter to position papers with points of interest circled, and scribbled notes in the margins, Mr. Kemp was sincerely trying to have a conversation.

In the end, Dole/Kemp garnered around 12% of the black vote–and that was against Elvis! Jack Kemp seemed like the last of his kind…but I hope not.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM

IMHO it starts with the GOP echelon. I preach this all the time. The GOP elite MUST NOT force a candidate on the voters. The voters must be the ones choosing the candidate. The upper echelon of the GOP insisted that Mitt Romney would be the candidate. Mitt was not MY choice and not the choice of a lot of conservative voters. Now mind you, I did get behind Mitt and I thought he was certainly better than Owebama. However, back when the echelon insisted Mitt would be the candidate, a lot of conservative or moderate voters turned off and tuned out. When you feel there isn’t fairness in the game, sometimes you choose to just get out of the game. We needed EVERY possible voter.

That doesn’t dilute the argument that the GOP needs to go after all possible voters but it sure adds another factor.

katablog.com on November 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM

I read recently where over 50% now receive taxpayer handouts. How in the world do you think conservatives will ever win another election?!?

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.” ( origin of this quote has been disputed)

Belle on November 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

That’s a big increase over 2008 with Hope and Change, first Black President madness. I’m not a big conspiracy guy, but that seems hard to believe.

SAZMD on November 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Yeah, for that to be true black turnout in Ohio had to increase from 70% to closer to 90%, this while black turnout actually dropped nationally and slightly smaller percent voted for Obama. That also while white turnout in Ohio plummeted 400k.

Anyhow, the problem wasn’t turnout of conservatives or republicans so much. The problem was in 2008 98 million whites voted, in 2012 91 million voted while the number of minorities increased from 33 to 34 million. I would argue given the shifts in counties show Obama doing best in southern Ohio, rural Florida, Colorado, and Virginia that Obama was successful in his goal, to kill Romney.

Those would be the white working class indies who would never vote for Obama but who thanks to the relentless negative ads in swing states decided they couldn’t vote for the billionaire plutocrat who gets his willies from outsourcing their jobs and then giving their wives cancer. The big lesson to me is not to nominate another easily demonized wealthy patrician.

That being said I worked out the numbers from the exit polls, and in effect Romney received the same number of voted roughly with whites and minorities as McCain did (makes some sense, he got the same number of votes roughly). Obama on the other hand lost 7 million white votes (1 in 6 from 2008) and picked up 1 million minority votes. One heartening thing for the future, Obama lost 1.5 million votes with the under 30 crowd while Romney picked up 1.3 million. Obama still won by a decent margin but it wasn’t as overwhelming, maybe the youth are learning from their real world experience?

jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

cs89 on November 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Very well said. I couldn’t agree with you more.

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Change that to free stuff and you would be right.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 11:35 AM

So this is the test for the GOP. How can they approach black and Latino/a voters like humans, rather than stereotypes, while keeping someone like cozmo’s vote? Its gonna be an interesting couple of years on the right.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Or plain old racism.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

There are plenty of stories where I live about white voters feeling intimidated when going to vote. Black voter suppression? BS. If anything, the reports have been the opposite – white voters facing the hostility of other voters simply because it was assumed that they might not vote for BO.

The unfortunate aspect of this is that there has never been this sort of division and outright animosity in the past. A lot of people on both sides have remarked on this. A lot of people no longer speak to one another.

Yeah, BO is doing a great job of dividing this country.

Cody1991 on November 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The question then is will democrats ever nominate a white person ever again for president? Sorry Joe.

meci on November 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The number of blacks who voted, according to exit polls, dropped from 16.9 million to 15.7 million. Obama beat McCain by 16.2 million voted with blacks but only with Romney by only 14.7 million.

jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM

In Florida, 238,000 more Hispanics voted than in 2008, and Mr. Obama got 60% of Hispanic voters. His total margin of victory in Florida was 78,000 votes, so that demographic alone won it for him. Or consider Ohio, where Mr. Romney won independents by 10 points. The lead mattered little, though, given that black turnout increased by 178,000 votes, and the president won 96% of the black vote. Mr. Obama’s margin of victory there was 103,000. …

In other words, they stole enough votes in Ohio and Florida to win those states.

TarheelBen on November 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

The number of blacks who voted, according to exit polls, dropped from 16.9 million to 15.7 million. Obama beat McCain by 16.2 million voted with blacks but only with Romney by only 14.7 million.

jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM

I should also add that exit polls are still polls and thus not full proof. The shift above, as well as the shift with hispanics and asians could easily be statistical noise.

jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Exactly right. Republicans need to get out and reach people in every community.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Broken record/

You’ll never gain ground on the Dims going after minorities in places where the Dims care about those votes. Go start changing minority minds in Mississippi or Texas, for example, or safe Republican precincts in otherwise Blue States by improving minority lives with conservative ideals. It might take longer, but showing works better than talking.

/Broken record

Knott Buyinit on November 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM

if only we had some decent salesmen to sell it to them.

ardenenoch on November 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM

An easy and down-to-earth verbal delivery style combined with straight conservative arguments and the moxie to fight back against the specious Liberal venom-machine– that’s what will sell Hispanics and many others.

Slainte on November 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Obama Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich and Sheldon Adelson who bankrolled the Vulture Capital video were successful in their goal, to kill Romney.
jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Fixed that for you.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Jack Kemp was a good guy, but he was overrated. Keep in mind that when he was actually on the Republican national ticket in 1996, the GOP won only 19 states with 159 electoral votes. Mitt won 24 states with 206 electoral votes. In addition, the Dole/Kemp ticket won only 21% of the Hispanic vote; Romney/Ryan won 27%.

(Admittedly, I didn’t even vote for Dole/Kemp in 1996. I voted for the Libertarian candidate Harry Browne, primarily because of Dole’s statement in the second debate: “The President wants to spend 20 percent more in the next six years, and I want to spend 14 percent more.”)

J.S.K. on November 23, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

What voter suppression efforts?

The left lies so much they believe their own lies now.

darwin on November 23, 2012 at 11:54 AM

So this is the test for the GOP. How can they approach black and Latino/a voters like humans, rather than stereotypes, while keeping someone like cozmo’s vote? Its gonna be an interesting couple of years on the right.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Funny boy you are. Always the first to cry racism, but blind when your side shows it. It is you that are building an entire society without the knowledge, or desire, depend on themselves.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Could we get a candidate like that next time around, please?

(steps off soapbox…)

cs89 on November 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Pretty please with sugarplums on top? NO reruns from the last campaign, none of them can win. IMO.

scalleywag on November 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie

Heh, after 3 and a half months of touting that ‘voter suppression’ boogeyman, libfree posts this insanity on a thread that shows (demonstrably via statistics) that suppression is a fantasy spawned by the Left.

socalcon on November 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Funny boy you are. Always the first to cry racism, but blind when your side shows it. It is you that are building an entire society without the knowledge, or desire, depend on themselves.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 11:54 AM

The left is also building a base taught to hates whites, white men in particular.

darwin on November 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I don’t want to speak ill of the dead, but in retrospect Jack Kemp was a weak VP pick that managed to lose a debate with Al Gore and did little to increase Hispanic/Black GOP turnout.

Dole/Kemp only got 22% of Hispanics, which is actually the lowest ever for a GOP ticket.

Norwegian on November 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

http://www.barackofraudo.com/
Dean Chambers, the founder of UnSkewedPolls.com, launched a new website last week alleging that President Barack Obama did not legitimately carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida, but instead won those states thanks to voter fraud.

Galt2009 on November 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Proof of such (credible, multi-sourced) would be nice. Or is that too much to ask?

Del Dolemonte on November 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

The Democratic strategy is to demoralize and divide the electorate and reduce voter turnout: it is a winning divide and conquer strategy that leaves a ruined nation in its wake with factions at each other’s throats.

How about a message of human liberty and freedom from government, that secures the Nation and doesn’t seek to dictate the lives of individuals from ever so distant DC? One that encourages political discourse, not finger pointing, and looking to local concerns and fixing things nearest to you and not depending on DC to send bureaucrats to push forms at you. Uniting through common local issues, agreeing on the few things that need to be done at the State level and the fewer still at the federal level. Make the programs of DC obsolete and then vote the backers of them out along with the bureaucrats.

That takes time to do. The Democrats have been working the divide and conquer idea for nearly 50 years. And what we have now is the result…. class warfare, race baiting, all the ills they told us about that were being put aside by the people are now forced back by the politicians and their hangers-on. It is all they have. Perhaps one should not play that game to change the course of things.

ajacksonian on November 23, 2012 at 11:59 AM

You can’t win elections by playing by the rules if the other side cheats. I am certain that Romney won more legitimate votes. Republicans will loose from this point forward if we don’t do the following:

1. Require proof of citizenship to register to vote.
2. Get back to election day, not election month.
3. Require photo ID to vote.
4. Purge all voter rolls of all illegal voters.
5. Get illegal aliens to go home. (It can be done easily.)
6. Require a mark, like dipping a finger in ink, when a person votes.
7. Eliminate all mail in balloting.

Any reasonable person has a security system to protect their valuables if they have very much. We have no security system at our borders or at the ballot box. Those in charge don’t value this nation much.

The Rock on November 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Tertiary syphilis? Are you a leftover from Tuskegee?

tom daschle concerned on November 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM

*facepalm*

You guys are so hosed.

HB3 on November 23, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Norwegian on November 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Kemp had good ideas..So they didn’t work when first tried..They need to be developed and tried over time..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Obama Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich and Sheldon Adelson who bankrolled the Vulture Capital video were successful in their goal, to kill Romney.
jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Fixed that for you.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Right, a small time ad in the primaries 10 months ago that low information voters had no idea existed was the reason. Not the Obama campaign with it’s stated goal of “kill Romney” that ran ridiculously negative ads nonstop for 6 months in swing states that did it.

The biggest shift to Obama was in swing states he ran those ads in for months, the poor rural south (prime market even if the ads didn’t play there), and New Jersey (thank you Christie). Romney’s biggest gains were in a couple red states that went stupid in 2008, old Jacksonian Appalachia, and states like WI, PA, MI, and MN. I wonder what those 4 have in common, oh right, Romney campaigned in them while Obama didn’t have time or money to play the “Kill Romney” campaign in them.

I know that’s all silly, it was that barely heard of outside of political junkie circles ad from 10 months ago that did it.

jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 12:04 PM

One more time…one of the main reasons O’bamna won was because he turned out the 30% of high school dropouts he didn’t get in 2008.

CNN:

High School Dropout Votes for O’bamna, 2012

PA: 82%

CA: 80%

OH: 73%

Del Dolemonte on November 23, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Heh, after 3 and a half months of touting that ‘voter suppression’ boogeyman, libfree posts this insanity on a thread that shows (demonstrably via statistics) that suppression is a fantasy spawned by the Left.

socalcon on November 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Very good point!..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 12:04 PM

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I don’t normally answer your posts but it strikes me that you must be a very lonely man. To come to a place where you know that your opinions are in the minority yet you continue to come here and invite abuse. Even your moniker libfree or die is a cry for attention. That you felt the need to put the word die in your name is very telling. Just a little friendly advice, politics is not the entire world. While I am unhappy with Romney’s loss, the world goes on. Family and fiends will trump politics any day.

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 12:05 PM

In the immediate aftermath of the election, Republicans slammed Mitt Romney for not being able to match the popular vote totals of John McCain, but many forgot that the full totals in the popular vote take a few weeks to finalize. This past week, Romney’s totals surpassed McCain’s in an election that had a smaller overall turnout,

No one forgot it. Everyone expected Romney to get close to McCain based on the early numbers and he did. If he surpasses McCain it will be by a very small amount. Considering that there are millions of more new registered voters, many of the Republican, since 2008 this is no huge accomplishment by Romney. Overall voter count dropped to 2004 levels despite the fact THERE ARE AT LEAST 20 MILLION MORE ELIGIBLE VOTERS now than in 2004. Based on recent elections 55% of them should have voted. Many of them did in 2008 for Obama but they didn’t in 2012 for EITHER candidate. Even if he still lost Romney should have easily done better than McCain. Not squeak by him.

The notion of an enthusiasm gap among Republicans compared to 2008 is therefore a myth, one suggested by incomplete data the day after the election.

Who the heck was talking about this? Enthusiasm for the Republican candidate was crap in 2008 and it was crap now. So you are correct, there was no enthusiasm gap between 2008 and 2012. There is a BIG enthusiasm gap between those willing to vote Republican in 2004 and 2012 though and voter turnout shows that. And as the exit polls show there was plenty of enthusiasm from minority voters so they do not explain the drop in voters.

Moreover, in key states like Florida, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia, Mr. Romney turned out even more voters than George W. Bush did in his successful re-election in 2004.

He should have. All of these states have had large population increases since 2004. There are way more voters. Did Romney win those states with larger margins than Bush in 2004? Wait, no, he didn’t even win 3 of them.

Until we remember what Jack Kemp figured out two decades ago, we will never compete for those votes, and end up with a massive handicap in national elections.

There is no doubt Republicans should try to appeal to minority voters. But the idea that explains this election result is a fallacy. Total voter turnout dropped in 2012 significantly from the prior election. This is only the second time in the past century this has happened. The only other time was 1996. Who did the Republicans run then? A nice guy/statist politician known for reaching across the aisle who then chose a policy wonk Congressman from a blue state who had never won a statewide election as his running mate. Sound familiar?

There is a lot the Republicans can do to better their performance in 2016. Looking back to Dole/Kemp to figure out how after Dole/Kemp 2.0 just lost isn’t one of them.

The first thing they should do? DON’T RUN DOLE/KEMP 3.0.

Rocks on November 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM

The question then is will democrats ever nominate a white person ever again for president? Sorry Joe.

meci on November 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM

The Democrats don’t have a lot of plausible non-white candidates for president. They have one black governor (Deval Patrick) and no black senators. They have one Hispanic senator (Bob Menendez) and no Hispanic governors. They have two Asian-American senators in the upcoming Congress, but Daniel Inouye is 88 years old and Mazie Hirono is not a native-born citizen, and no Asian-American governors. Unless you want to count Elizabeth Warren as Native American …

J.S.K. on November 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM

The left is also building a base taught to hates whites, white men in particular.

darwin on November 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

This was my point in my earlier post.

I live in an area that has a 50/50 racial split. People both black and white are in shock over deteriorating relationships – at least the older people have noticed.

It is not uncommon for whites to experience outright hostility and thuggery in all sorts of situations. When I moved here life was different. There was congeniality, courtesy and a willingness on the part of all to work together. People socialized, laughed and enjoyed the company of their neighbors and friends. That is no longer the case.

The decline in interpersonal relationships has declined significantly over the last four years, and it has become increasingly divided upon racial lines.

Cody1991 on November 23, 2012 at 12:07 PM

I think the GOP did relatively well considering the hateful campaign Obama ran against him, starting from the very beginning. Even when the president was called on his lies and was ridiculed and fact checked in the press, he continued to run the ads. Plus he had those vicious DNC women pushing the “GOP hates women” meme. It was a smear campaign from the get go.

scalleywag on November 23, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Forget about top down outreach. Do it yourself! Coach soccer teams, tutor, set up a SCORE office in the barrio.

It’s way too late to teach first principles two months before an election.

PattyJ on November 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

You can’t win elections by playing by the rules if the other side cheats.

FIFY.

Citations: Lance Armstrong, Bill Bellichik, Al Davis…

socalcon on November 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Forget about top down outreach. Do it yourself! Coach soccer teams, tutor, set up a SCORE office in the barrio.

It’s way too late to teach first principles two months before an election.

PattyJ on November 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

I just want to say as someone who does tutor, don’t do that unless you want to lose almost all faith in the future of this country.

jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 12:12 PM

In the end the democrats own this economy and these huge deficits and they really don’t seem to care about doing anything about them. They’re being led by the clown without a plan. He has no economic plan, no foreign policy plan, no energy plan…nothing. He’s moving “forward” without any plans.

scalleywag on November 23, 2012 at 12:12 PM

The left is also building a base taught to hates whites, white men in particular.

darwin on November 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Why not?

It worked so well with other willfully ignorant groups.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 12:14 PM

I asked some black friends of mine about Obama. They said he is the greatest President ever. So I asked them a very simple question. Why? They couldn’t name any of his policies that they liked, what accomplishments of his that they thought were good, they didn’t even know what state he was a senator in. Their final answer was “He just is.” I am not saying this is representative of all minorities, but my guess would be that it is not far off the mark.

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Massive voter fraud. Romney won every state that has a voter
photo ID law.

We have 36 repub governors now. Getting this law passed, if they haven’t already, should be near the top of their list. Then
we need to make sure the votes are counted properly.

Until we have security in voting, we citizens have nothing.

Amjean on November 23, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I don’t think it’s a turnout “myth” when a massive dropoff in white votes for the Democrat (only partially offset by additional minority votes) isn’t translated into an equal corresponding upsurge in support for the Republican. That said, the GOP’s failure to motivate those voters makes it unsurprising that it couldn’t or wouldn’t engage anyone else.

Seth Halpern on November 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Where was all of this advice before the election?

Don’t mean crap to me.

Sherman1864 on November 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM

I don’t think it takes a lot of effort on our part nor do we have to pander. What we need to do is go into these communities and ask for their vote. I also think it would be wise to engage Latinos in a discussion on how we can secure our borders. If they feel like they have a say in the discussion we will win many over to our side. Not that I expect we will win a majority of any minority group, but all we have to do is peel away a few percent and we will win.

ReaganWasRight on November 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Think about what the turn out would have been if Mitt received the glowing praise and adulation from the press and the circle the wagons treatment from the party Barack did.

Would there have been anything but comatose liberal silence from the fifty state blowout they would have suffered?

We’re not going to get anywhere until that changes, its the vile spewing of hatred on a scale never seen before that’s at issue, the severe lack of honesty among incredibly biased liberal journalists, pundits and newscasters, its so evident in their gloat.

Speakup on November 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM

It is not uncommon for whites to experience outright hostility and thuggery in all sorts of situations. When I moved here life was different. There was congeniality, courtesy and a willingness on the part of all to work together. People socialized, laughed and enjoyed the company of their neighbors and friends. That is no longer the case

It doesn’t help when there are roaming packs of black youths who beat up whites yelling, “Do it for Trayvon.”

sentinelrules on November 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM

They laughed at 999, but that was exactly what Cain did with that proposal and it was the reason they had to destroy him. But Herman Cain shows that it is possible with the right candidate and message to go into all communities and show how a free market and pro-growth agenda can be communicated.

milemarker2020 on November 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Herman Cain was an unserious candidate who would have gotten 1% of the vote in a stronger primary field. He didn’t have an understanding of policy issues (such as unions and the federal government or Libya). Not to mention the serious sexual harassment issues and the fact that he was obviously cheating on his wife.

I don’t want to speak ill of the dead, but in retrospect Jack Kemp was a weak VP pick that managed to lose a debate with Al Gore and did little to increase Hispanic/Black GOP turnout.

Dole/Kemp only got 22% of Hispanics, which is actually the lowest ever for a GOP ticket.

Norwegian on November 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

The 1996 campaign wasn’t Kemp’s finest moment and the debate in particular was bad. Kemp apparently didn’t want to prep for the debate. He was a policy innovator, however, and a guy who was seriously concerned about poverty and race relations and who could appeal to minorites.

Illinidiva on November 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM

…..The notion of an enthusiasm gap among Republicans compared to 2008 is therefore a myth….

I’m not sure that’s accurate.

Millions of Romney’s votes came from people who voted for Obama in 2008. Romney carried Independents by a 50-45 margin. In ’08, Obama won Indies 52-44.

If the numbers stay relatively close, you have to conclude that millions of McCain voters didn’t show up. My estimate is 3-4 million.

You also need to take in to account a population growth of nearly 10 million since 2008. That’s AT LEAST another 1-2 million votes left on the table by Romney.

Enthusiasm was down for voters of both parties, but if every McCain voter would have shown up at the polls this time, it would have likely come down to a close race between 1-2 states, rather than the electoral blowout that occured.

takeamericabackin10 on November 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM

GOP had higher registration than 2004 and 2008 in 2012.
The United States voting age population was higher in 2012 than any time before.
Matching, or beating McCain, McCain!!! numbers by a couple hundred thousand is a failure. McCain was not liked much by the base and effectively threw the election.
Voter turn out was abysmal for the GOP this turn.

astonerii on November 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I’ve never understood this idea that Romney was “forced” on us.

It isn’t his fault that all of his primary opponents were horrendous.

blatantblue on November 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Why is this so difficult? Who was easily the most popular and well liked republican president in the last thirty years? Ronald Reagan. The formula for success is right in front of them yet they keep putting up candidates who are moderates or fake conservatives. I guarantee that if we put a GENUINE conservative on the ballot we will win (I should say “they” as I have renounced my association with republicans until they actually start paying attention to their base).

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

This is another myth that needs busting. There’s no guarantee “genuine” conservatives win. Take a look at Allen West…Tea Party guy, solid conservative, and he lost. Or consider that Romney did better in solid red states than the more conservative GOP candidates for Senate on the same ticket, even Ted Cruz in Texas. That belies the notion that somehow, if he were more conservative, he would’ve won.

This election didn’t come down to the base staying home. Romney got those votes, and he got indies. But there are more Dems than there are Republicans, and when they come out like they did on election day chances are we’ll lose. Reagan was a once in a generation figure…and so is Obama. The latter was able to squeeze enough votes out of his coalition to win, a coalition that stuck by the man and the personality cult around him. A white Dem will be hard-pressed to replicate those minority turnout numbers.

changer1701 on November 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM

The proof is in the pudding…Obama had FOUR YEARS to a)pass a budget, (all of his were rejected), b)come up with a plan to create jobs, c)work with the GOP to deal with the ever mounting deficits, d)work with the GOP to find a way to generate more revenue and overhaul the tax codes, 3)deal with entitlement reform…the list goes on and on and he’s accomplished NONE of these things. Almost SIXTY MILLION people voted against him, it just wasn’t quite enough. Does anyone remember the last time the president sat down and worked with Congress on ANYTHING? He’s the biggest failure we’ve ever had and there can only be a couple of reasons he’s back in office.

scalleywag on November 23, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I’ve never understood this idea that Romney was “forced” on us.

It isn’t his fault that all of his primary opponents were horrendous.

blatantblue on November 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Indeed. In the Virginia primary, I had two choices…Ron Paul, and Mitt Romney. The field was so stellar, only two managed to make it on the ballot of a major swing state.

Let’s hope ’16 is better.

changer1701 on November 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM

I’ve never understood this idea that Romney was “forced” on us.

It isn’t his fault that all of his primary opponents were horrendous.

blatantblue on November 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM

You have to think of the people who didn’t run, not just those that did. Romney had most of the power brokers in the GOP locked up since soon after McCain lost which is why many took a pass. Only someone of Perry’s stature with a state party support like Texas could have challenged that effectively. Unfortunately for Perry he waited too long to start and he stumbled badly out of the gate.

Rocks on November 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM

So what happened?

I know to suggest that voter fraud was a factor is to risk being tarred and feathered like the birthers are.

But voter fraud was almost certainly a factor, even if it’s not accepted as conventional wisdom among the establishment.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Rocks on November 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Everyone should read this post three times. Maybe 4 times. It is superb and some one has finally put forth an analysis with some genuine insight.

SparkPlug on November 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM

In addition to my earlier points….

.The notion of an enthusiasm gap among Republicans compared to 2008 is therefore a myth….

I’m not sure that’s accurate.

Millions of Romney’s votes came from people who voted for Obama in 2008. Romney carried Independents by a 50-45 margin. In ’08, Obama won Indies 52-44.

If the numbers stay relatively close, you have to conclude that millions of McCain voters didn’t show up. My estimate is 3-4 million.

You also need to take in to account a population growth of nearly 10 million since 2008. That’s AT LEAST another 1-2 million votes left on the table by Romney.

Enthusiasm was down for voters of both parties, but if every McCain voter would have shown up at the polls this time, it would have likely come down to a close race between 1-2 states, rather than the electoral blowout that occured.

…you have to consider that Obama is the worst president in the history of our nation. His record is abysmal. In ’08, he had NO RECORD, and was running on Hopenchange and “there’s no brown American, no white America, no yellow America…….”

In addition, Romney raised $1.1 billion compared to the $84 million McCain was limited to for the general election. All we heard about for the past two months was how many more voter contacts the GOP had made as compared to 2008, and how big the crowds were. Was this all a snow job? Either way, heads need to roll at the RNC.

takeamericabackin10 on November 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

changer1701 on November 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM

I believe what this election came down to is a massive amount of minorities voting for someone based solely on the color of their skin, not their policies. Maybe we should see if we can get Condoleezza Rice to run for president? Not that I am saying would should play their game, but she would be able to break us past the minority barrier. We would also have the fun of calling democrats racist for not supporting her. Win/win. For the record, I would vote for her based on her record, not the color of her skin. I honestly think should would be a great president.

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I guarantee that if we put a GENUINE conservative on the ballot we will win

But the Beltway Republican establishment sees genuine conservatism as a bigger threat than far-left Marxism, and a genuine conservative nowadays will have to survive the slings, arrows and stabs in the back of the RINOcracy and the GOP consultant class before the left even gets their own crack at destroying that genuine conservative.

Republican power brokers in D.C. are not conservative; in fact, they hate conservatives.

This is what we’re up against; not just the ruthless left, but the backstabbing D.C. RINOs.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

This is what we’re up against; not just the ruthless left, but the backstabbing D.C. RINOs.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

You won’t get any argument from me.

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 12:40 PM

It’s all about this.

And this

And the Obama phone lady – I won’t link becuase that video make me hurl.

AmeriKa has no shame and decency left.

Schadenfreude on November 23, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The question then is will democrats ever nominate a white person ever again for president?

A white woman, yes. A white man? Maybe not.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:41 PM

AmeriKa is now run by thugs, the ones who dole out the ones on the dole.

From the left to the right the politicians are all crooks.

Symbol number one of the diagnosis – over 1000 exemptions to Obama’care’, starting with the Obama and the congress families.

If it’s so good, live by it, first you, then the people.

There s/b no law in the US from which the politicians s/b excempt.

Schadenfreude on November 23, 2012 at 12:41 PM

It’s been well documented that millions of white voters from 2008 stayed home.

Whenever someone defends the Romney campaign’s GOTV program, I assume that they’re about to push for moderation of policy….amnesty in particular.

takeamericabackin10 on November 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM

You guys are so hosed.

HB3 on November 23, 2012 at 12:02 PM

You may not realize it, yet, foolish troll, but with an America-hating, economic-illiterate Marxist sociopath in the White House, all of us are hosed. Including you.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

The biggest factor in this year’s election was rampant, overt fraud – voter and election fraud.

And what happened to the Paul supporters – did they vote for Romney or write Paul in?

Did that account for the so-called low voter turn-out?

St. Nikao on November 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I am almost certain that libfree is a female, not a male.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:47 PM

You may not realize it, yet, foolish troll, but with an America-hating, economic-illiterate Marxist sociopath in the White House, all of us are hosed. Including you.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Useful idiots never grasp reality until it hits them in the face. By then of course, it’s too late.

darwin on November 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Congratulations to the Democrats and the large numbers of minorities and young people who voted for Obama! You now own it and you can’t blame Bush.
The next terrorist attack you own it.
Can’t get a job after graduation, you own it.
Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama’s EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it.
A nuclear Iran, you own it.
Bowing to Russia, you own it.
Another severe recession, you own it.
A volatile border with Mexico, you own it.
Trouble getting good health care, you own it.
Higher health insurance costs and health care costs, you own it.
No budget, you own it.
Our allies mistrust, you own it.
Another trillion of debt, you own it.
More Benghazi situations, you own it.
No one willing to join the military, you own it.
Trouble getting a loan to buy a home, you own it.
More dependency on food stamps, you
own it.
Trouble finding good employment, you own it.
Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it.
A World Government, you own it.
The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it.
A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table even if it is “Dead on Arrival”, you own it.
China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it.
Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it.
A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it.
Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it.
Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it.
More government corruption and lies, you own it.
More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamists, you own it.
Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it.
Your revenge instead of love of country, you own it.
President
George Bush is out of it now, and
there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way
I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was
impossible to clean up this mess you voted for. Have a good day. God
bless the United States! God is our hope now.

Decoski on November 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

It doesn’t help when there are roaming packs of black youths who beat up whites yelling, “Do it for Trayvon.”

sentinelrules on November 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Yep. I heard that a lot on my job – along with other threats and offensive behavior. Eventually I resigned choosing safety and relief from endless verbal abuse.

Cody1991 on November 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Black voters were powerfully motivated by MSM and democrat (but I repeat myself) propaganda alleging voter suppression efforts.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The real truth of the matter.
1) Voter ID is not voter suppression. Period. The only thing Voter ID does is makes it harder to for the democrats to cheat. That the democrats cheat is evidenced by the number of precincts with greater voter turnout than registered voters and the number of precincts with zero (zero, zip, zilch, nada) votes for Romney. Did fraud win the election for Obama? We’ll never know because the Stupid Party doesn’t have the cajones to do a precinct by precinct investigation of results and check of eligible/ineligible voters. However, 78,000 votes in Florida is definitely within the margin of fraud.

2) Purging voter roles of ineligible voters is not voter suppression. Again, opposition to removing dead people, felons, people who have moved, and illegal aliens from the voter rolls is only done to make sure that an ample supply of names is available from which to cheat.

If I were a democrat, I’d be embarrassed by the blatantly obvious manner in which my party was making sure that the ability to commit vote fraud was preserved. But then, I am a reasonably intelligent person, so the democrat party would not be my party.

AZfederalist on November 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Can’t believe I forgot to mention this as well.

In 2008, 48.4 million voters were from households making under $50,000, Obama won them by 10.1 million votes. In 2012, 50.5 million voters were from households making under $50,000, Obama won them by 10.6 million votes.

In 2008, 81.6 million voters were from households making over $50,000, Obama lost them by 0.9 million votes. In 2012, 72.1 million voters were from households making over $50,000, Obama lost them by 7.5 million votes.

There’s a reason why Democrat policies create more poor people.

jarodea on November 23, 2012 at 12:50 PM

That’s a big increase over 2008 with Hope and Change, first Black President madness. I’m not a big conspiracy guy, but that seems hard to believe.

SAZMD on November 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Those aren’t official numbers. The 178k more black voters meme was driven by the exit polls that showed black voters being 15% of the Ohio electorate this time vs. 12% in 2008. 0.15*5.6m – 0.12*6m = about 178k. Any sampling issue in the exit polls, however, and that number could be thrown substantially off.

But I could believe that Obama would get more black voters out this time than in 2008. In 2008, everyone knew 3 weeks before the election that McCain was toast. So the only thing really motivating blacks to go to the polls was so they could tell their children they voted for the first black president. This time they were motivated by the fear of losing the first black president, and the millions of Obamaphones and box fulls of food stamps and the 57 other government freebies Obama brought with him.

By the way: the major reason we need to compete for the Hispanic vote more effectively than we do is to try and stop the entire Hispanic community from turning into welfare queens who vote lock-step for Democrats… Most Hispanics I know have a good work ethic but once they get hooked on the government cheese, we’re all screwed. Getting our message out in those communities may stop that from happening.

Outlander on November 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

He was a policy innovator, however, and a guy who was seriously concerned about poverty and race relations and who could appeal to minorites.

Illinidiva on November 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Exactly.

He came across as a cheerful guy who ‘cared about the people’. That’s the kind of attitude, combined with good sense conservative policies, that we need in a candidate. A little pizzazz in today’s world wouldn’t hurt either.

Lightswitch on November 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

The fact that republicans don’t campaign to the black community is just amazingly stupid.

The Democratic policies are litterally killing the black community (see Chicago).

We have to do better about explaining the alternative.

Deafdog on November 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

There are numerous ways the GOP can make inroads into the Hispanic community. Use the positive and negative at the same time.

One example is school choice.

Positive: The GOP Pro-School Choice. The GOP supports school choice because we believe that all children of immigrants, including Hispanics, should have a choice to send their children to good and safe public and private schools. We the GOP support empowering Hispanic Americans future by educational freedom.

Negative: Democrats support Teachers Unions who hate school choice. Democrats want to keep Hispanic children uneducated and thus poor, on food stamps, for generations to come, while wealthy northeastern democrat academic elitist send their kids to safe and well funded public and private schools. The Democrats want to enslave an entire generation of Hispanic-American children to educational slavery, food stamps and poverty!

William Eaton on November 23, 2012 at 12:53 PM

So this is the test for the GOP. How can they approach black and Latino/a voters like humans, rather than stereotypes, while keeping someone like cozmo’s vote? Its gonna be an interesting couple of years on the right.

libfreeordie on November 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Made doubly hard because the democrats approach the black and Latino/a voters as a block that wants free stuff and amnesty. The democrats approach those groups as a stereotype and treats them accordingly. Yet strangely, those groups continue to vote for democrats in overwhelming numbers. How has that welfare mentality worked for the inner city black youth? How does amnesty for illegals help the hispanic construction worker who went through all the right steps to becm a US citizen but still finds himself out of a job? The sad fact of the matter is that democrat policies have destroyed the black family, put a disproportionate number of blacks on welfare, and yet they still vote for demcrats

AZfederalist on November 23, 2012 at 12:55 PM

I believe what this election came down to is a massive amount of minorities voting for someone based solely on the color of their skin, not their policies. Maybe we should see if we can get Condoleezza Rice to run for president? Not that I am saying would should play their game, but she would be able to break us past the minority barrier. We would also have the fun of calling democrats racist for not supporting her. Win/win. For the record, I would vote for her based on her record, not the color of her skin. I honestly think should would be a great president.

bandutski on November 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I think that was a huge part of it. Also, Obama was the celebrity candidate, firmly inserted into our pop culture, and you have an American Idol electorate (that made up a large portion of his coalition) that values magazine covers and late night appearances over things like, you know, the unemployment rate. It was cool over competence. You also had the media doing their level best to make sure it was a referendum on the former, as well.

I’d have no problem with Condi Rice as the nominee, but I don’t know that she’d do well in the primary (especially since she’s never run for office before), and I doubt it would change that minority barrier much. She’d no doubt be seen as inauthentic or a “slave” to the GOP if she ran.

changer1701 on November 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

The sad fact of the matter is that democrat policies have destroyed the black family, put a disproportionate number of blacks on welfare, and yet they still vote for demcrats

The sadly deluded will remain sadly deluded.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I’d have no problem with Condi Rice as the nominee,

Oh, I would. Condi Rice may be better than Susan Rice, but Condi is no conservative.

Right Mover on November 23, 2012 at 12:59 PM

The fact that republicans don’t campaign to the black community is just amazingly stupid.
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Deafdog on November 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I disagree. The GOP has done at least 20 years’ of black voter outreach. We pushed school choice and opposition to gay marriage very hard in the 2000s, both of which are significant “wedge” issues between blacks and the progressive ideological wing of the Democratic party. Bush, in fact, stacked his cabinet with blacks in order to do outreach. And the best Bush was able to get was what, 12% of the black vote? And in the process of engaging in all this outreach, Bush ended up putting a total loser in charge of the State Dept which arguably hurt us going into the Iraq war…

The hard truth is that blacks do not want to vote for Republicans and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The only way it will change is if blacks themselves wake up one day and realize how badly they’ve been abused by Democrats and their liberal policies.

Outlander on November 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

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