Are you ready for Bush 2016?

posted at 8:16 pm on November 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

I sure am. Nothing says “new, young, vibrant GOP” like nominating George W. Bush’s 60-something-year-old brother, who’ll have held no political office for nearly 10 years by election day 2016.

Try to wrap your mind around the fact that, if you had to give odds right this minute, the likeliest presidential match-up four years from now would be a second Bush/Clinton election. That’s what this country and its perverse tolerance of dynastic politics has come to. If that’s where we’re headed, I at least want some honesty from the candidates and the public about what we’re doing. Step one: Repeal the Title of Nobility Clause in Article I and make Jeb and Hillary a duke and duchess, respectively. That’ll help tidy things up for Chelsea and George P. Bush in preparation for the inevitable Bush/Clinton III contest in 2036. Step two: I want a Kennedy on the ticket as Hillary’s VP and maybe Ben Quayle or one of the Romney boys (take your pick) as Jeb’s number two. Let’s really own what we’re doing here. Simple proposition: From now on, no one is eligible to run for president unless he/she is related by blood or marriage to someone who already has.

When former President Bill Clinton rolled through here while campaigning for President Obama, he speculated about Mr. Bush’s intentions with Ana Navarro, a Republican strategist and friend of Mr. Bush. It was no idle topic for Mr. Clinton, given the possibility that his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, could seek the Democratic nomination.

When Senator Marco Rubio of Florida held a strategy session here to discuss his own political future last week, the question of Mr. Bush, a mentor, hung over the room; a decision by Mr. Bush, 59, to seek the Republican nomination would almost certainly halt any plans by Mr. Rubio, 41, to do so or abruptly set off a new intraparty feud.

Mr. Bush is said by friends to be weighing financial and family considerations — between so many years in office and the recession his wealth took a dip, they said, and he has been working hard to restore it — as well as the complicated place within the Republican Party of the Bush brand. Asked this week about whether his father would run, Jeb Bush Jr. told CNN, “I certainly hope so.”…

Still, calls for Jeb Bush to enter the arena in a bigger way represent vindication of a sort. His family’s longstanding advocacy for a more broad-based and “compassionate” Republican Party was largely ignored and eventually repudiated by the populist, small-government conservatives who held sway over the party after Mr. Obama’s election.

Enthusiasm for a Jeb candidacy boils down to two things, the belief that public dissatisfaction with Dubya will have faded by 2016 and the idea that Jeb, almost uniquely, can help win back Latinos to the GOP. On the first point, here’s a memorable data point from this year’s national exit poll:

The financial crisis left a long, lingering stain on Dubya’s economic record, sufficiently so that it may have effectively neutralized Romney’s attacks on Obama over jobs. That might fade a bit in time — or, if the economy finally rebounds in O’s second term, the recovery might make Bush’s record look even uglier by contrast. A Bush lost once before to a Clinton because of the economy; imagine Bill out there making the case that electing Hillary will guarantee 90s-era prosperity while Jeb is out there making the case that electing him won’t result in late 00s-era crisis and panic. Which pitch sounds stronger?

As for Jeb’s pull with Latino voters, it’s true that he did well with them during his runs for governor. But part of his appeal is his support for immigration reform, and congressional Republicans will already have made a deal on that before 2016. If a conservative as usually stalwart as Krauthammer is ready to wave the white flag on amnesty in hopes of capturing a few more Latino votes next election, there must be 25 or so centrist Republicans in the House willing to follow suit. At a bare minimum, there’ll be some sort of DREAM Act passed with GOP cooperation and maybe comprehensive immigration reform too depending upon how hard Obama’s willing to push for it. (He was promising in late October to get comprehensive reform done this year.) If it happens, what’s left of Jeb’s big selling point in 2016? He can run on his biography, i.e. the fact that his wife is Mexican and therefore he understands the Latino experience in America better than most politicians of either party. But of course that’s also true of Rubio. And Rubio, unlike Jeb, might be in a position to actually cast a vote on immigration reform this year.

One more thing about the Latino vote in 2016. Lost in all the breathless reports about how badly Romney lost that demographic to Obama is the fact that Obama didn’t do well with Latino Democrats when he first ran for president in 2008. In fact, in most states, he was roundly crushed by Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee in 2016. Bill Clinton was also tremendously popular with Latino voters, destroying Bob Dole in 1996 by 51 points. You can parse that result in two ways. One: The fact that the Democrats might have a nominee who’s unusually strong among Latinos means the GOP must nominate Jeb or Rubio or someone with some sort of unique outreach to that demographic. Or two: The fact that the Clintons are so strong means that any special biographical appeal brought to bear by Jeb or Rubio will be neutralized, making one of their biggest selling points maybe not so big. No way of knowing how the math on that shakes out without seeing multiple polls, but I agree with other analysts who say that it’s foolish to think Latinos are single-issue voters. They vote like everyone else, based on the economic, social, and foreign policies that they prefer. (I.e. mostly Democratic.) That being so, are we sure a guy named “Bush” would have any more appeal to them than he would to the rest of the electorate that has less-than-fond memories of Dubya’s second term? I’m not convinced.


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I see that the usual suspects are already bashing Palin in their fantasy world of her running in 2016.

It is becoming more apparent that without their anti Palin rants, these morons have little else in their lives.

Yawn!

Amjean on November 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

NO, no, no more Bushs, Clintons, Kennedys and Obamas.

The US is not a dynasty. Go to Hell, all of you.

Schadenfreude on November 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Amjean on November 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

It is too early for “2016″ for anyone..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 1:14 PM

If Jeb Bush runs for president in 2016, I will vote for the Democrat.

We need to trim the bushes. Permanently.

UODuckMan on November 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM

LoLz..Hope you had a good Holiday..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Schadenfreude on November 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

LoLz..Hope you had a good Thanksgiving holiday..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Justin Amash 2016

http://amashforcongress.com/issues

dom89031 on November 24, 2012 at 1:29 PM

If the gop continues down this path I may just change party affiliations and be a registered Democrat.

…..AT LEAST THE DEMOCRATS fight!!!!

I’m tired of wasting time and effort and money of the floor sucking cowards in the gop.

NOT ONE OF THEM has the stones to stand up to Obama and mean it!! It’s all just a game and we’re all just pieces on the game-board for them to move when they want.

Talk “rights” and “put yall back in chains and the blacks get their game piece moved on the board.

Talk “immigration” and the hispanics get moved where they need to be.

Talk “socialism” and the Conservative piece gets placed where they need to be.

#ughnomorebushes
#nomoreprogressives
#theyalwayswhipourarses
#why?

PappyD61 on November 24, 2012 at 2:00 PM

LoLz..Hope you had a good Thanksgiving holiday..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Thanks – same for you.

Schadenfreude on November 24, 2012 at 2:09 PM

I will vote for the Democrat.

UODuckMan on November 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Yep, and it won’t matter a bit which lever you pull either way, you’ll get a democrat.

With all the votes bought with taxpayer’s money they ought tname election day- Black Tuesday.

Don L on November 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Mark these words well:

Jeb. Bush. Will. NEVER. Be. President.

Why?
He has his very own “Chappaquiddick” (of sorts).
And her name is: Terry Schiavo.

Mark. Those. Words. Well.
…and make book on it.

Talismen on November 24, 2012 at 2:16 PM

NO MORE BUSH’S.

Tim_CA on November 24, 2012 at 2:23 PM

THE GAMES PEOPLE — liberals, perhaps — PLAY IN COMMENTS ON POSTS ABOUT THE GOP:

Talker #1 – Initiation of a theme begins:

“It’s time for some stinky cheese. Enough of this cheese that no one likes, what we need is some of my stinky cheese.”

Talker #2 – There’s a reply to that:

“You’re always promoting stinky cheese. The problem with stinky cheese is that no one except you finds it exciting or even palatable.”

Talker #1 again with a retort to that:

“The only comments you ever make are to criticize stinky cheese. And YOUR cheese melted over there into a pile of garbage, so don’t go putting down my stinky cheese especially when you are all out of cheese yourself and have never had the stinky cheese like mine.”

Talker #3 – appears with this:

“Hey, Talker #1, other people just can’t handle your stinky cheese. In fact, it’s my stinky cheese, too. We have the same stinky cheese, those other people are just jealous of our stinky cheese.”

Talker #4 – appears with this:

“All Talker #1 and Talker #3 ever talk about is their stinky cheese. I like cheese but their stinky kind is annoying. IN fact, I’m tired of hearing about their stinky cheese, it’s not as popular as they seem to think it is.”

Talker #1 – returns with this:

“There is no other cheese but mine. No cheese, stinky or not, can measure up to my stinky cheese.”

Talker #4:

“(To Talker #1): Prove it.”

Talker #1:

“Here’s a list of all the complaints Talker #1, 2, 4, 5, to infinity have written about my stinky cheese over the years. Obviously, they don’t have any cheese of their own and are obsessed with hating me and my stinky cheese. Because they don’t have any of their own.”

EVENTUALLY, after pages of similar commenting, TALKER #232 appears and writes:

“I see that the usual suspects are here wasting our time writing about our stinky cheese.”

Meanwhile, utterly overlooked is Talker #1 who introduced the issue of ‘stinky cheese’ if not ‘cheese’ entirely, thus ELICITING RESPONSES from others to comment on those subjects, alas, to their own ridicule when they do.

Lourdes on November 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM

If the gop continues down this path I may just change party affiliations and be a registered Democrat.

…..AT LEAST THE DEMOCRATS fightLIE!!!!

I’m tired of wasting time and effort and money of the floor sucking cowards in the gop.

NOT ONE OF THEM has the stones to stand up to Obama and mean it!! It’s all just a game and we’re all just pieces on the game-board for them to move when they want.

PappyD61 on November 24, 2012 at 2:00 PM

…no…vote Libertarian instead!…don’t turn to sh!t!

KOOLAID2 on November 24, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I am weary, Lord, of watching the citizens of our country throw away their birthright. I will not be a party to any more Bush presidencies. Four times voting for them and 3 terms is enough.

The only place either Bush excelled was in defending/protecting our country and its allies . . . and any good done there has been squandered by the American Pharaoh.

It is time for people of good conscience, who understand their birthright to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, to freedom of speech, and freedom to practice their religion without governmental interference of any kind, to give their last full measure of devotion.

Greyledge Gal on November 24, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Amjean on November 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Won’t you believe it.

HerneTheHunter on November 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM

…no…vote Libertarian instead!…don’t turn to sh!t!

KOOLAID2 on November 24, 2012 at 2:31 PM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I think this makes it official. The Republican Party never wants to win another Presidential election ever.

lea on November 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Karl Rove (with his characteristic smirk) to the unwashed GOP masses : Read my lips, vote for Bush. 50+1, baby.

tommy71 on November 24, 2012 at 3:14 PM

As long as Karl Rove and the rest of the be nice democrats crowd isn’t involved in the next election the GOP will win. Oh and yes this by default would leave out all the Bushes too,

bgibbs1000 on November 24, 2012 at 6:24 AM

Have there been any changes to personnel and programming at Fox News? Karl Rove is still there, along with a bunch of others much like him, like Dana Perino, Bill Kristol, Brit Hume, Krauthammer and so many others who are part of the problem. FNC is practically the face of the Republican Party now, and is the leading voice of the corrupt NY/DC GOP establishment. If the GOP is going to change, FNC and other supposedly conservative media outlets based in NY/DC need to be changed first, or alternatives need to be considered/created to compete against them.

The best way to spread the truth is to use the Internet. Republicans need to be encouraged to get their news from more diverse sites on the Internet and less so from NY/DC propaganda outlets. For free market capitalists who oppose the corrupt, centrally-planned crony system we have now, I highly recommend:

http://www.zerohedge.com/

But there is another matter. Because of the rule changes that were passed during the RNC the GOP elites can no longer be challenged. They can change the rules of the game anytime they wish now so if they want the establishment can literally appoint their candidate in ’16. This being the case, it is impossible to save the Republican Party unless that rule can somehow be reversed first. That is step one. If it can’t be done then a 3rd party is the only way forward. The vote was rigged by Romney and the GOP, this is a fact, so that seems like the most obvious way to attack the rule changes, but people who for whatever reason don’t believe the vote was rigged, or don’t care, that doesn’t change the fact that unless those rules are undone then there is no genuine way to challenge the corrupt GOP establishment anymore. Even if the rules were changed fair and square, the affect of the rule changes still neuter the grass-roots ability to save the party.

FloatingRock on November 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Democrats sure are….

libfreeordie on November 24, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Maybe we should do like European monarchs and get Chelsea Clinton married to some eligible Bush family member.

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Bush baked beans.

Sherman1864 on November 24, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 3:29 PM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM

And yes, I realize that Princess Chelsea is married but that technicality did not stop the European monarchs so I don’t see it as a hinderance here. Merely a minor snag.

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Democrats sure are….

libfreeordie on November 24, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I think you guys can rest easy. If Obama can be reelected with a majority still blaming Bush for the economy I don’t see a Republican taking the WH again for at least a couple of generations if ever.

Kataklysmic on November 24, 2012 at 4:06 PM

The Bush family needs to ride off quietly into the sunset. They are part of the Republican establishment who got us in this predicament in the first place. W was a nice guy, and I liked some of what he did, but he too easily caved to expanded government and nanny statism. The Patriot Act and the TSA are good examples of his good intentions gone awry. Act in haste, repent in leisure.

College Prof on November 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM

The Bush family needs to ride off quietly into the sunset. They are part of the Republican establishment who got us in this predicament in the first place. W was a nice guy, and I liked some of what he did, but he too easily caved to expanded government and nanny statism. The Patriot Act and the TSA are good examples of his good intentions gone awry. Act in haste, repent in leisure.

College Prof on November 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM

And what of the Clintons?

A serial rapist married to a woman that watched an ambassador get killed but offered no assistance because it clashed with campaign rhetoric?

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Yeah.. adios to the Bushes. What morons. I will totally become a Marco Rubio shill to make sure that there are no Bushes in office.

Illinidiva on November 24, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Why put this crap up as you are better than that! Marco Rubio will be the odds on favorite case closed. He will be running against the current Gov of New York, Cuomo. Bet the house on that.

whsiii on November 24, 2012 at 4:20 PM

spoke to republican old timer a few days ago. he voted for obama. he’s fed up with rinos.

2016 if jeb runs, i’m voting for the other guy/gal.

renalin on November 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM

hsiii on November 24, 2012 at 4:20 PM

the birthers will come crawling out of the woodwork. no thanks.

renalin on November 24, 2012 at 4:35 PM

A serial rapist married to a woman that watched an ambassador get killed but offered no assistance because it clashed with campaign rhetoric?

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 4:14 PM

That’s why I keep harping about the media. Harp. Harp. Harp.

A media that will cover that up is one that will obviously do anything to see a particular candidate re-elected. We do not stand a chance until we correct this.

kim roy on November 24, 2012 at 4:50 PM

It’s more realistic than thinking a former half-term governor who resigned in disgrace and who most of the country regards as an unqualified ditz would have a chance.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 7:42 AM

The media thanks you for your compliance. When are you going to stand up and tell them to FO?

These are the same people that told the population with great success that Romney was going to take away their birth control. Yet here you are sucking on the teat of the media BS.

What is it with insecure, petty women like you? I understand better than you think – I am of the age where the feminist indoctrination was the hardest. I understand how looking at Palin would make other women feel insecure, unhappy, remind them of what they passed on, wonder if their 1, 2, 3, abortions might not have been lovely children or if one of the fathers of the abortions might have been a good husband.

Or was it the fact that she walked up on stage holding a retarded baby, one that would have been aborted without pause. A VP candidate who roundly abused the liberal-feminist viewpoint and roundly showed it to be the lie that it is.

Palin for president, I say. Let’s put a stake in these vampires.

kim roy on November 24, 2012 at 5:00 PM

That’s why I keep harping about the media. Harp. Harp. Harp.

kim roy on November 24, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Please keep harping. We will never have a fair media until they are shamed into being objective. This year, when Candy Crowley put down the fried chicken long enough to “coincidentially” have a transcript of the rat-eared wonder’s Rose Garden speech in the wake of Obama knowingly watching an ambassador die was a new low.

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Try as I might, I can only think of one intelligent and reasonable Palinista who comments on the site, Kim Roy. I’m sure there must be more intelligent Palin fans out there, but they don’t seem to want to show their faces very often.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:33 AM

And I see this after I was rude to you. :(

But still, my point(s) stand from the earlier post. She can do no worse than the RINOs that were presented (and don’t forget I was a hard advocate for Romney after the primary). Perhaps it’s time to have a conservative run. She’s already been vetted and can work the media – see how she handled them during her bus run.

You are negating her for no real good reason. I’ve seen your response and it’s all an opinion. That’s fine, but there’s no facts attached. It would be a lot easier to accept your opinion if there was some substance to it.

I doubt if I’m alone, but the GOP has lost me unless it’s Palin or another firm conservative and none of the current group except maybe Walker interest me so I’ll be looking at independents/federalists.

kim roy on November 24, 2012 at 5:13 PM

LOL

The previous Bush is one very big reason why the GOP lost in both 2008 and 2012. And they want to do it all over again? Down with these establishment hacks! Nominate Bush and yet again I’m staying on the sidelines in 2016. The best GOP candidate (with some work) is Rand Paul in 2016. He’s not a social con, or a neo-con. He can completely stay out of social issues (from the federal level). He can advocate for less government and more liberty “for minorities”. But he can also talk about ending foreign aid, reducing both MILITARY and DOMESTIC spending unlike any other hack establishment candidate.

fatlibertarianinokc on November 24, 2012 at 5:18 PM

BTW, the GOP can only win the presidency if it returns to it’s non-interventionist roots.

fatlibertarianinokc on November 24, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Please keep harping. We will never have a fair media until they are shamed into being objective. This year, when Candy Crowley put down the fried chicken long enough to “coincidentially” have a transcript of the rat-eared wonder’s Rose Garden speech in the wake of Obama knowingly watching an ambassador die was a new low.

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM

It’s tiring and it’s not hard to imagine how tiring it is to read it all the time!

They got away with it. They interfered and lied in a debate and were able to take the attention away from a poor candidate to another SQUIRREL! moment.

kim roy on November 24, 2012 at 5:33 PM

I think you guys can rest easy. If Obama can be reelected with a majority still blaming Bush for the economy I don’t see a Republican taking the WH again for at least a couple of generations if ever.

Kataklysmic on November 24, 2012 at 4:06 PM

This is true..Sad but true..:(

PS..Hope you had a good Holiday..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Happy Nomad on November 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM

LoLz..I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Amjean on November 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

It is too early for “2016″ for anyone..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 1:14 PM

No Sh*t, Sherlock.

Amjean on November 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM

The trouble with Bush W. is that he never really 1. understood or 2. believed in free market capitalism. Despite his many faults I still respect the man’s basic decency.

AshleyTKing on November 24, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Amjean on November 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Well you need to pass the word..Some missed the memo..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Very uncharacteristic of me to say this, but…

NO MORE BUSH

The Rogue Tomato on November 24, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Obama was quite successful blaming GW Bush for all the country’s problems. True or not, he defined the narrative. Jeb is an idiot if he thinks he can overcome years of slurs and slander. The Bush name is dead. DEAD.

debg on November 24, 2012 at 6:43 PM

GW Bush was a massive failure who caused Obama to win. All the Bush’s were phony conservatives that failed miserably. We can’t afford another Bush-Rove disaster.
.
Jeb Bush is just the type of non Conservative mushy candidate that Allahpundit loves.

FactsofLife on November 24, 2012 at 7:09 PM

I doubt if I’m alone, but the GOP has lost me unless it’s Palin or another firm conservative and none of the current group except maybe Walker interest me so I’ll be looking at independents/federalists.

kim roy on November 24, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I doubt if I’m alone, but the GOP has lost me unless it’s Palin or another firm conservative.

So you are not alone.

SparkPlug on November 24, 2012 at 7:39 PM

There isn’t a single decent Romney supporter on Hot Air except for bluegill.

SparkPlug on November 24, 2012 at 7:40 PM

NO, no, no more Bushs, Clintons, Kennedys and Obamas.
Schadenfreude on November 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

^this, This!, THIS!!!

There should a constitutional amendment prohibiting the succeeding generation from holding federal office. And that goes for spouses too.

Feedie on November 24, 2012 at 7:47 PM

The media thanks you for your compliance. When are you going to stand up and tell them to FO?

These are the same people that told the population with great success that Romney was going to take away their birth control. Yet here you are sucking on the teat of the media BS.

What is it with insecure, petty women like you? I understand better than you think – I am of the age where the feminist indoctrination was the hardest. I understand how looking at Palin would make other women feel insecure, unhappy, remind them of what they passed on, wonder if their 1, 2, 3, abortions might not have been lovely children or if one of the fathers of the abortions might have been a good husband.

Or was it the fact that she walked up on stage holding a retarded baby, one that would have been aborted without pause. A VP candidate who roundly abused the liberal-feminist viewpoint and roundly showed it to be the lie that it is.

Palin for president, I say. Let’s put a stake in these vampires.

kim roy on November 24, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Very well said!

I’d also like to add that Palin has one of the best conservative records out there. She fought the corrupt GOP establishment in Alaska and even told the oil companies to put up or shut up–in terms of just sitting on leases and not drilling.

Palin never supported socialized health insurance in any form or global warming like Romney, Newt, and Santorum to name a few.

Enough with the RINO’s, to heck with the Establishment.

Let’s get a real conservative who has some guts!

CUDA 2016!!!

LevinFan on November 24, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Can someone please give me the argument against Jeb Bush? I’m curious to hear the arguments against him.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 2:09 AM

Jeb Bush makes George W. Bush look like Sheriff Joe on illegal immigration. Nothing will destroy this country faster than the continued flow of people with an average of a fourth grade education who are looking for freebies.

Amnesty is something that can never be undone.

I thought that even you could figure that out.

bw222 on November 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

spoke to republican old timer a few days ago. he voted for obama. he’s fed up with rinos.

renalin on November 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Cuz voting for Democrats will TOTALLY “show them Republicans what for”, amiright?

And thus we see the problem with voters. They’re morons.

CanofSand on November 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

CanofSand on November 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Yep, voting for someone MORE to the left of a party’s candidate is a GREAT way to get them to nominate people more to the right! It’s not like it could POSSIBLY give the OPPOSITE impression, right?

CanofSand on November 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Cuz voting for Democrats will TOTALLY “show them Republicans what for”, amiright?

CanofSand on November 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Cuz voting for Republicans is TOTALLY like voting for Democrats, amiright?

And thus we see the problem with voters. They’re morons.

More and more are walking away from this Hobson’s choice.

Medicare is a promise, and we will honor it. A Romney-Ryan administration will protect and strengthen Medicare, for my Mom’s generation, for my generation, and for my kids and yours. – Paul Ryan

And my campaign has made it very clear: the President’s cuts of $716 billion to Medicare, those cuts are going to be restored if I become President and Paul Ryan becomes Vice President. – Mitt Romney

“I will reverse President Obama’s massive defense cuts,” – Mitt Romney

“The president’s idea for Medicare was to cut it by $700 billion,” Romney said. “That’s not the right answer. We need to make sure we can preserve and protect Medicare.” – Mitt Romney

Fiscal conservatives?

If you listen to Romney then Obama is more of a fiscal conservative.

When have the Republicans actually reduced spending?

What moron would buy this garbage?

sharrukin on November 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Has Karl Rove chimed in as yet? He must be excited bout another Bush run.

tommy71 on November 24, 2012 at 8:51 PM

O/t but worth a read:

Democrats Are Far Better Losers Than We Are.

Kataklysmic on November 24, 2012 at 8:54 PM

GW Bush was a massive failure who caused Obama to win. All the Bush’s were phony conservatives that failed miserably. We can’t afford another Bush-Rove disaster.
.
Jeb Bush is just the type of non Conservative mushy candidate that Allahpundit loves.

FactsofLife on November 24, 2012 at 7:09 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how so many Republicans look back fondly upon the Presidency of George W. Bush, as if it was a wonderful time for conservatism.

It wasn’t. It was a !@#$ing catastrophe for conservatism and the Republican party. Not only because Bush had no skill or appreciation for defending himself (and us as well, something he never understood) and preserving his image. No, what was truly tragic was that this was the first Republican President in decades to have a GOP House & Senate. A golden opportunity for proactive conservative transformation of the federal government. Something we had hungered for for many many years.

This opportunity was tossed on the ashheap of history. Bush wasn’t the slightest bit interested in reducing the size or scope of government, and it showed.

No more Bushes please….and if anyone from the Tea Party facebook page is reading this, stop asking me if I miss GWB. I DON’T!

Reggie1971 on November 24, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Shoot me now.

steveracer on November 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

The
GOP
Will
Betray
You

True_King on November 24, 2012 at 9:07 PM

When Senator Marco Rubio of Florida held a strategy session here to discuss his own political future last week, the question of Mr. Bush, a mentor, hung over the room; a decision by Mr. Bush, 59, to seek the Republican nomination would almost certainly halt any plans by Mr. Rubio, 41, to do so or abruptly set off a new intraparty feud.

they floating them trial balloons already?

It’s almost as if they are trying to ride the herd into the corral using Bush repellant.

The whole Bush base could be fit into the Potomac, with room leftover for Crist groupies

With Hillary it’s a different story. Hillary is interchangeable with most female DEMS, so it doesn’t matter whom they run. She doesn’t even require brains {obviously), charm, wit, charisma and except for the various petty revenge moves that would follow her election, she would be predictable. No question half her government would be genetic females in pantsuits, and the other half beta males

I dislike inbreds, but the inbreeding occurs in private and controlled settings, at university. This makes breaking the chain of abuse very difficult. It’s like the movie Children of the Damned, minus the IQ

entagor on November 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM

No, what was truly tragic was that this was the first Republican President in decades to have a GOP House & Senate.

Reggie1971 on November 24, 2012 at 8:56 PM

To be specific, it was the first time since 1932.

bw222 on November 24, 2012 at 9:45 PM

No! I’m not ready for a Santorum run either!

carolt2 on November 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Just when I thought things couldn’t get any worse …
Lindsey Bush is not the answer, it is the problem!

Whiterock on November 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM

If this party runs Jeb Bush, they are even more delusional than I thought. I will have cast my last vote for a Republican in a national election, that’s for sure.

As for Jeb’s appeal with Latino voters, I get that the fact that he’s bilingual makes him more attractive, but attractive enough? And on a national scale? Many of the Hispanic voters in Florida are Cuban; there’s a big difference between them and the moochers and layabouts sneaking over the border. Further to which, even if he could draw in Hispanic voters on a large scale, there still aren’t enough to make a difference I don’t think. The GOP needs to make peace with the fact that a pro-amnesty position is NOT going to win them elections. We did not lose this time because of the party’s position on illegal immigration. These party apparatchiks need to stop getting distracted with shiny objects.

NoLeftTurn on November 24, 2012 at 10:17 PM

if it would be another moderate , count me out.

I will just put all me effort to counter another democratic victory, no more political donations or support as I foolishly did with Romney. I will use my resources and time and just navigate my life under corruption and lies of the democrats but i will never get my hope up that even taking time to vote will make a difference since that is just an illusion.

We need a third party and come elections, we can put forward the same candidate as the GOP so no vote splitting. But as a third party we will have much more leverage then without our own political machine.

And by the way: GOP has an excellent track record of caving and working with the other side.

huntingmoose on November 24, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Sarah Palin, who quit her job as governor before even completing a single term in office, is old news and would implode faster than both Herman Cain and Rick Perry did. She is never going to run because she knows there is no chance that she could withstand the pressures of a long campaign. Heck, she can’t even manage to appear for one-minute-long television interviews outside of her friendly Fox News Channel confines. Besides, I don’t think voters would flock to an incompetent candidate like her.

Pence, Jindal, McDonnell, Walker and Nikki Hayley all seem interesting. I would also like to see Paul Ryan in there.

bluegill on November 23, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Mittbot, you have no credibility here. Hang it up and go get your PDS vaccine booster. I think you’re overdue.

NoLeftTurn on November 24, 2012 at 10:43 PM

It’s more realistic than thinking a former half-term governor who resigned in disgrace and who most of the country regards as an unqualified ditz would have a chance.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Seems to me you should specify what disgrace she resigned in or admit you’re full of it.

The length of her term is not nearly so important as how she performed as governor, and if it were ended in scandal. She was a good governor, and the most determined digging for a scandal came up with absolutely nothing. So by any objective measure, her resignation was the very opposite of “disgraced.”

And for all the yammering about her being an “unqualified ditz,” more people voted for her and McCain than voted for Romney. I think we all know that they weren’t really voting for McCain. So much for the claim that most of the country rejects her.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 24, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Enough with the jokey, gimmicky figures like Cain, Trump, Palin, etc. Too much time is wasted on the sideshow clownish types.

We have some great governors who would make fine 2016 candidates, and I would prefer to focus on them.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Yes, let’s run someone more conventional. Someone with an MBA from Harvard maybe. You know, a really smart guy with a pedigree who checks all the boxes. That will be a sure thing.

NoLeftTurn on November 24, 2012 at 10:59 PM

I’d support Palin as the best of the bunch. She’s got more talent then the rest of them. BUT

I don’t think she’s going there.

And if she does
If she runs,

The quitter meme is not going away. The Palinistas are just as delusional as the MittBotts -> thinking that RomneyCare was a big +(or at least not a negative). RomneyCare meant Romney couldn’t attack Obama at his weakest flank. The quitter meme is a clear political liability , like RomneyCare was for Romeny. Palin would have to readdress the quitter meme if she is going to think about running in 2016. But she is not going to run so …

BoxHead1 on November 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM

I will not vote for him and if the GOP nominates him I will leave the party.

Can I make that any clearer. Time to clean out the libs. Please do not call them moderates.

dogsoldier on November 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Bullcrap. you’ll vote for him like you did romney you puss

Flapjackmaka on November 25, 2012 at 1:32 AM

And for all the yammering about her being an “unqualified ditz,” more people voted for her and McCain than voted for Romney. I think we all know that they weren’t really voting for McCain. So much for the claim that most of the country rejects her.
There Goes The Neighborhood on November 24, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Sorry, but you are wrong. More people voted for the 2012 ticket than voted for the 2008 a ticket. You need to keep up with things a little better. Ed Morrissey already explained this at length.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Sorry, but you are wrong. More people voted for the 2012 ticket than voted for the 2008 a ticket. You need to keep up with things a little better.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 2:48 AM

You are the one who needs to keep up. The population was 304 million in 2008 and 313 million in 2012.

John McCain – 59,948,323
Mitt Romney – 60,237,491

John McCain would have had to have gotten 58.5 million votes to do as badly as Romney given the population four years ago.

Of course if you are really desperate to make yourself feel better you could claim that Romney got more votes than Ronald Reagan who only got 54,455,472 in 1984, and only 43,903,230 in 1980.

Romney’s more popular than Reagan…Bluegill for the win!!

sharrukin on November 25, 2012 at 3:11 AM

sharrukin on November 25, 2012 at 3:11 AM

I was just teasing “there goes the neighborhood” about a fact he got wrong. The cold hard fact is that Romney received more votes than McCain and Palin did. Deal with it. Claiming that Palin did better than the 2012 ticket was a favorite talking point of the Palin cultist crowd, but now they can’t say that anymore, since updated popular vote totals show that more people voted for Romney. Now they are reduced to yammering about population increases and other such desperate gibberish. Oh, and Romney also got a higher percentage of the total popular vote than McCain and Palin managed 4 years ago. What’s more, Romney also received more electoral votes than Palin.

Verdict: Romney/Paul outperformed McCain/Palin

But enough about the past. We need to win in 2016. There is no point in dwelling on gimmicky, jokey candidates like Sarah Palin.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 3:33 AM

Claiming that Palin did better than the 2012 ticket was a favorite talking point

McCain did do better.

Verdict: Romney/Paul outperformed McCain/Palin

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 3:33 AM

Sorry, but to believe your garbage one would also have to believe that Romney outperformed Reagan.

Millions stayed away from the polls. At least 7 million for Obama and Romney barely managed John McCain totals despite a higher population.

Your ‘electable’ candidate couldn’t outperform a ham sandwich.

sharrukin on November 25, 2012 at 3:50 AM

Your ‘electable’ candidate couldn’t outperform a ham sandwich.
sharrukin on November 25, 2012 at 3:50 AM

But he and Paul Ryan did, in fact, outperform an unelectable ditz and a longtime US senator, who will forever regret his disastrous choice of running mate.

Remind me again what percentage of the vote McCain/Palin got? Yeah, I thought so. Now, why don’t you go and start composing another overly long drunken, ranty, whiny post like you did a few days ago. You aren’t getting anywhere trying to falsely claim that McCain did better then our recent Republican ticket.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 4:21 AM

By the way, I blame all spelling errors in my posts on the dictation feature with iPhone. :-) I post all of my comments on the site using only my voice and my iPhone. The iPhone converts my voice into text. Unfortunately, it doesn’t always get things exactly right. For example, than/then.

All of you with iPhones really should try this. Let’s say you have a few minutes free, are feeling a little bit bored, and want to go on hot air and put a few Palinista idiots in their place. Well, voilà, your iPhone can make it happen and you don’t have to expend any finger tapping energy to do it. Oh, look. It even put the little accent in the word Voilà.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 4:34 AM

By the way, I blame all spelling errors in my posts on the dictation feature with iPhone. :-)

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Are you sure it wasn’t Sarah Palins fault?

sharrukin on November 25, 2012 at 4:37 AM

No more Bushes. Their recurring “kinder gentler” streak gave back Reagan’s progress and ultimately led to 0bama.

No More Bushes.

cane_loader on November 25, 2012 at 5:47 AM

Oh, look. It even put the little accent in the word Voilà.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Is it me, or am I hearing a lot of folks typing and saying, “wallah!” lately. There’s an ad out on TV where the guy is definitely saying it with a “W” and it’s retarded as hell.

cane_loader on November 25, 2012 at 5:49 AM

The media will bring up the drug/drinking arrests of his son and daughter.

btw John John John Kennedy III, who will succeed Barney Frank
in MA-4, was born in 1980. He will be 35 in late 2015 and thus eligible to run in 2016. And should he, THAT dynasty would get better treatment from the media.

raccoonradio on November 25, 2012 at 5:53 AM

oops I mean JOE JOE JOE Kennedy :) oops, it’s early.

raccoonradio on November 25, 2012 at 5:54 AM

I have been telling people that we are about to experience something never before seen:

Jimmy Carter’s second term on steroids, combined with ultimate corruption.

cane_loader on November 25, 2012 at 5:57 AM

Sarah Palin vs. Hillary Clinton would be something to see.

When you really listen to her, Sarah makes so much sense that in retrospect I regret that the GOP didn’t take the gamble. During the debates, the nation would have been exposed to her, finally unvarnished, and she just may have beaten 0bama once they realized that she wasn’t stupid.

My candidate evolution was:

Palin
Cain
Gingrich
Romney

cane_loader on November 25, 2012 at 6:00 AM

the bushs’ are republican progressives. the reason the left is still upset about 2000 is because they cheated and still lost. well they perfected their game and will never lose again. the establishment gov’t types, those who enter gov’t as a career or treat it as a business, are easily swayed by their peers and those like them to play to the big picture. they go along with and know about the cheating and rule breaking. they understand that lolo soetero took his son to indonesia and renounced his american citizenship, they just don’t care. the vaunted right-wing radio talkers, just don’t talk about the blatant communo-sharia golden drapes behind the president in your face fundamental change that is the new america. remember you “we won” people, be VERY careful what you wish for!

tm11999 on November 25, 2012 at 6:28 AM

Memo to the Bush Family and their Mafia (Rove, Scowcroft, Baker et al) – all of you drop dead! Reagan’s greatest mistake was picking that wimp as his Vice President.

Hilts on November 25, 2012 at 8:11 AM

Related…my take.

kingsjester on November 25, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Bush v Clinton. I’ll tune out permanently.

FireBlogger on November 25, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Sarah Palin vs. Hillary Clinton would be something to see.

When you really listen to her, Sarah makes so much sense that in retrospect I regret that the GOP didn’t take the gamble. During the debates, the nation would have been exposed to her, finally unvarnished, and she just may have beaten 0bama once they realized that she wasn’t stupid.

My candidate evolution was:

Palin
Cain
Gingrich
Romney

cane_loader on November 25, 2012 at 6:00 AM

Oh yeah. Your candidate evolution, by the way, was exactly like mine. Although I swore for at least a month I would not vote for Romney. My biggest fear was he’d actually win and do for the US what the GOP did for California. And honestly, I think he would have. Especially in the last week when he started saying the words “I’m going to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats.”
Even if you are going to do that… how out of touch are you with your base to actually use those exact words the last week of the campaign.

Yet none of these brilliant talking heads ever mention that in their analysis of why Romney lost.

You know… I’ve been thinking. The GOP establishment fights the Democrats a little like Johnston fought the Vietnam war. That’s why we keep losing. Too many rules of engagement. When the enemy calls you a murderer you can only respond with praise or half hearted statements like “He’s a nice guy, just in over his head.”

Using the truth is not allowed. I think I now know why.

They want to keep the actual fighting to a minimum. They want to contain the conflicts.. keep the battles under control so nothing gets too out of hand. Hitting back with the truth.. exposing Obama and the Democrats for what they are.. exposing their Marxists past and going to the root of the argument.. self government vs socialism. Corruption vs liberty.. could arouse passion in the base. And passion has a tendency to spread. If you shine too much light on the rats.. then the rats start looking like rats to everybody else. And most people don’t like rats. You get too much passion out there spreading around like wildfire the establishment can’t control it.
Before you know it.. people might start having spontaneous protests against the Democrats. They might start organizing on their own and protesting in the streets and even where Democrats live. It’s hard to contain passion. It’s hard to contain the truth when it starts spreading and you never know what the results might lead to. They might even start protesting you. They don’t want average people to get involved too much. They don’t really like it. They want to keep it all under control. Lets just keep the discussion focused on jobs and taxes. Don’t start talking about liberty and freedom. Don’t make the Democrats out to be too bad a party. Don’t get too extreme. Don’t inflame passions. Don’t go too overboard with the truth. Don’t light too many fires because fire is hard to control.

These are the GOP Establishment Rules of Engagement. They are meant to limit our fighting against the Democrats to contain the battles. Don’t go on offense. Wait until you are attacked and either ignore, respond with praise or a small surgical strike on just a specific issue. Don’t dig up someone’s past or talk about Marxism or ideologies. That would be like carpet bombing or full scale invasion of enemy territory. That might awake the people and before you know it they’re out in the streets cheering and protesting against the barbarians and making demands of “off with their heads!” We can’t have that.

JellyToast on November 25, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Is it me, or am I hearing a lot of folks typing and saying, “wallah!” lately. There’s an ad out on TV where the guy is definitely saying it with a “W” and it’s retarded as hell.
cane_loader on November 25, 2012 at 5:49 AM

I am fairly certain that I am mispronouncing the word, too. I have no idea how this phone understands what I say half the time, but it does. The thing really works. You can even have it type many foreign words, and it knows what you are saying. You just have to remember to put in periods and commas, and you have to speak each punctuation character, if that makes any sense.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Jeb=NO
Marco=Yes

rodguy911 on November 25, 2012 at 10:33 AM

You aren’t getting anywhere trying to falsely claim that McCain did better then our recent Republican ticket.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 4:21 AM

This is your argument now to explain away the colossal bust that was Mitt Romney and the four years of pounding, brain-dead lies about his vaunted and invincible electability?

You think you’re just going to pick up where you left off trashing Palin after your utter embarrassment?

Nice try.

Romney’s impotence was totally predictable to most of us with the faintest understanding of the Left. And his loss in the face of the last four years of Obama is totally unforgivable — in ways far beyond McCain/Palin’s failure. Whatever responsibility Palin (as the vice presidential candidate) assumes for the loss in 2008, she was running against the massively exciting promise of a young, black and charismatic tabula rasa, a political phenomenon of the moment. Romney’s loss was against the most demonstrably incompetent, lawless, corrupt and anti-American president in American history. And Romney topped the ticket. Respondeat superior.

Your credibility is shot. And you should be reminded of this every time you open your nasty trap and smear candidates who, it’s pretty safe to say, could not possibly have done worse against Obama than your loser stiff did.

rrpjr on November 25, 2012 at 10:42 AM

No. Next question…

JohnAGJ on November 25, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Absolutely “NO.” Assuming it is another Bush versus another Clinton, are you seriously telling me that in a country of 330 million people these two families produce the best possible leader for this country? It is unimaginable and only attributable to a professional political class which seems to believe this entrenchment will keep them gainfully employed. No. No. No. No. No.

flyoverland on November 25, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Bump..I don’t like posts that end in 99..:)

Dire Straits on November 25, 2012 at 12:20 PM

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