Are you ready for Bush 2016?

posted at 8:16 pm on November 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

I sure am. Nothing says “new, young, vibrant GOP” like nominating George W. Bush’s 60-something-year-old brother, who’ll have held no political office for nearly 10 years by election day 2016.

Try to wrap your mind around the fact that, if you had to give odds right this minute, the likeliest presidential match-up four years from now would be a second Bush/Clinton election. That’s what this country and its perverse tolerance of dynastic politics has come to. If that’s where we’re headed, I at least want some honesty from the candidates and the public about what we’re doing. Step one: Repeal the Title of Nobility Clause in Article I and make Jeb and Hillary a duke and duchess, respectively. That’ll help tidy things up for Chelsea and George P. Bush in preparation for the inevitable Bush/Clinton III contest in 2036. Step two: I want a Kennedy on the ticket as Hillary’s VP and maybe Ben Quayle or one of the Romney boys (take your pick) as Jeb’s number two. Let’s really own what we’re doing here. Simple proposition: From now on, no one is eligible to run for president unless he/she is related by blood or marriage to someone who already has.

When former President Bill Clinton rolled through here while campaigning for President Obama, he speculated about Mr. Bush’s intentions with Ana Navarro, a Republican strategist and friend of Mr. Bush. It was no idle topic for Mr. Clinton, given the possibility that his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, could seek the Democratic nomination.

When Senator Marco Rubio of Florida held a strategy session here to discuss his own political future last week, the question of Mr. Bush, a mentor, hung over the room; a decision by Mr. Bush, 59, to seek the Republican nomination would almost certainly halt any plans by Mr. Rubio, 41, to do so or abruptly set off a new intraparty feud.

Mr. Bush is said by friends to be weighing financial and family considerations — between so many years in office and the recession his wealth took a dip, they said, and he has been working hard to restore it — as well as the complicated place within the Republican Party of the Bush brand. Asked this week about whether his father would run, Jeb Bush Jr. told CNN, “I certainly hope so.”…

Still, calls for Jeb Bush to enter the arena in a bigger way represent vindication of a sort. His family’s longstanding advocacy for a more broad-based and “compassionate” Republican Party was largely ignored and eventually repudiated by the populist, small-government conservatives who held sway over the party after Mr. Obama’s election.

Enthusiasm for a Jeb candidacy boils down to two things, the belief that public dissatisfaction with Dubya will have faded by 2016 and the idea that Jeb, almost uniquely, can help win back Latinos to the GOP. On the first point, here’s a memorable data point from this year’s national exit poll:

The financial crisis left a long, lingering stain on Dubya’s economic record, sufficiently so that it may have effectively neutralized Romney’s attacks on Obama over jobs. That might fade a bit in time — or, if the economy finally rebounds in O’s second term, the recovery might make Bush’s record look even uglier by contrast. A Bush lost once before to a Clinton because of the economy; imagine Bill out there making the case that electing Hillary will guarantee 90s-era prosperity while Jeb is out there making the case that electing him won’t result in late 00s-era crisis and panic. Which pitch sounds stronger?

As for Jeb’s pull with Latino voters, it’s true that he did well with them during his runs for governor. But part of his appeal is his support for immigration reform, and congressional Republicans will already have made a deal on that before 2016. If a conservative as usually stalwart as Krauthammer is ready to wave the white flag on amnesty in hopes of capturing a few more Latino votes next election, there must be 25 or so centrist Republicans in the House willing to follow suit. At a bare minimum, there’ll be some sort of DREAM Act passed with GOP cooperation and maybe comprehensive immigration reform too depending upon how hard Obama’s willing to push for it. (He was promising in late October to get comprehensive reform done this year.) If it happens, what’s left of Jeb’s big selling point in 2016? He can run on his biography, i.e. the fact that his wife is Mexican and therefore he understands the Latino experience in America better than most politicians of either party. But of course that’s also true of Rubio. And Rubio, unlike Jeb, might be in a position to actually cast a vote on immigration reform this year.

One more thing about the Latino vote in 2016. Lost in all the breathless reports about how badly Romney lost that demographic to Obama is the fact that Obama didn’t do well with Latino Democrats when he first ran for president in 2008. In fact, in most states, he was roundly crushed by Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee in 2016. Bill Clinton was also tremendously popular with Latino voters, destroying Bob Dole in 1996 by 51 points. You can parse that result in two ways. One: The fact that the Democrats might have a nominee who’s unusually strong among Latinos means the GOP must nominate Jeb or Rubio or someone with some sort of unique outreach to that demographic. Or two: The fact that the Clintons are so strong means that any special biographical appeal brought to bear by Jeb or Rubio will be neutralized, making one of their biggest selling points maybe not so big. No way of knowing how the math on that shakes out without seeing multiple polls, but I agree with other analysts who say that it’s foolish to think Latinos are single-issue voters. They vote like everyone else, based on the economic, social, and foreign policies that they prefer. (I.e. mostly Democratic.) That being so, are we sure a guy named “Bush” would have any more appeal to them than he would to the rest of the electorate that has less-than-fond memories of Dubya’s second term? I’m not convinced.


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That is what I thought of the “brokered convention” by the Palinistas Ron Paul..:):)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:12 AM

fify

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Why even discuss a Republican president? Thanks to Jeb and other open-borders advocates, there will never be another Republican President. One minute after Obama (and Boehner, McConnel, Rove, etc.) get their amnesty passed, Texas and Florida are gone to the democrats forever. You can’t get to 271 if you spot the democrats 250.

Alabama Infidel on November 23, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Yep.

The GOP ***HAS TO STOP*** THIS “Latino Madness” thing.

Hispanics, Latinos are NEVER going to storm into the GOP. Pass amnesty for illegal aliens (who are largely Hispanic, let’s be frank, it’s an ethnic thing to try and wanly appeal to “Hispanics/Latinos” and nothing else) and the Hispanic/Latinos will STILL be flooding the polls to vote for the Democrat who preaches Socialism and more Socialism (“free stuff”).

THEY’RE NEVER GOING TO BE REPUBLICANS. Not gonna’ happen even IF the GOP continues to embarrass itself and insist on amnesty to appease them.

In this regard, the GOP is acting like the needy girl at the prom who is lining up the cute sports-playing guys in the back for a special treat in expectation that they’ll “like her” and “go steady” with her afterward. Not gonna’ happen. But she’ll have a busy night. Same as what the GOP is trying now.

Lourdes on November 24, 2012 at 9:20 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

No..You loons were calling for it..Do you want me to give you links??..I’ll be glad to!!..:):)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Another romneycare butt kisser at this site for years. You and your kind are responsible for Obama in office. Romneycare was the only GOP possible candidate that COULDN’T us obamacare as an issue. Great job einstein!

You have no credibility!!!!

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM

In this regard, the GOP is acting like the needy girl at the prom who is lining up the cute sports-playing guys in the back for a special treat in expectation that they’ll “like her” and “go steady” with her afterward. Not gonna’ happen. But she’ll have a busy night. Same as what the GOP is trying now.
Lourdes on November 24, 2012 at 9:20 AM

That’s a hilarious analogy. Love it.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM

No..You loons were calling for it..Do you want me to give you links??..I’ll be glad to!!..:):)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Link Wars..:)

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/07/16/the-ron-paul-convention-threat/

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Why are the stupidest commenters on this site almost always Sarah Palin fanatics? I think that says something about Sarah Palin’s appeal.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times?

Bigfoot on November 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Why are the stupidest commenters on this site almost always Sarah Palin fanatics? I think that says something about Sarah Palin’s appeal.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Back to your old, charming self now that the candidate who could not lose, lost, I see.

kingsjester on November 24, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Try as I might, I can only think of one intelligent and reasonable Palinista who comments on the site, Kim Roy. I’m sure there must be more intelligent Palin fans out there, but they don’t seem to want to show their faces very often.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Noooooooooo! And I voted for the guy for gov. He gave Fla no child left behind. It led to his brother and no child left behind. The election will have the same results as the last one. The GOP has lost it’s mind. Jeb! stay in Miami and enjoy the good life.

Kissmygrits on November 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM

You have no credibility!!!!

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM

But you do..LOLZ..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM

If Hillary runs she will win easily just on the gender differential. She will do better with hispanics then Obama did unless Jeb runs then it will be closer, but he still wouldn’t win men by nearly as much as Hillary would win women.

Wigglesworth on November 24, 2012 at 9:36 AM

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:29 AM

For years azzwipe, you have made it your personal vendetta to attack, smear and destroy Palin on every thread. To the point of an obsession. You absolute have some type psychological problem about her. It’s as if like Pavlov’s study (you the dog) start drooling when you see a palin comment then commence to enter 50 comment attacking her.

I really believe you have some type of envy rage. Maybe, you can work on your low esteem by cleaning the snot out of your nose. You know appearences do make a difference.

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Romneycare needs a butt cleaner, I nominate you for the job!

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:40 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 9:28 AM

I’ll be glad to..Let’s google..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:40 AM

I could get further down in the mud..Wanna go there??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Oh, I’m so scare! How about another attack on Palin, you azz!

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Back to your old, charming self now that the candidate who could not lose, lost, I see.

kingsjester on November 24, 2012 at 9:32 AM

LOL!

Well said!

JellyToast on November 24, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Supress the Republican Vote turn out as in Dole, McCain, Romeny, little boy Bush (without the swiftboat vets he to would have lost his second term) go with this overweight light weight thinker Wrong Jeb Bush

or

Get out the vote with a real conservative who can think for himself and speak the language of the constitution, free markets and self rule and personal responsibility.

It is a choice, and ya, the RINO’s when we do get a conservative leader just may change parties and join in real life as with McCain and his punks.

It is what it is.

Our current condition is RINO made.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 24, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I’ll be glad to..Let’s google..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Waiting….

LOL

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q22012/romney-nomination-in-doubt-brokered-convention-likely647/

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Where is the attack loon??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:49 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I’m all in..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Denial is a very bad trait for a Palin hater. How about this butch, show me one comment over the last 4 years you said something good about her. You have over 10,000 entries to choose from.

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Then you have not been around HA very long..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 9:51 AM

You’re losing..:)

http://www.examiner.com/article/brokered-convention-taking-shape

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:03 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:03 AM

How??..Does “Earthquake” ring a bell??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:08 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:03 AM

We can keep going if you want??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:09 AM

How??..Does “Earthquake” ring a bell??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Run out of links? LOL

http://minx.cc/?post=325875

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Try as I might, I can only think of one intelligent and reasonable Palinista who comments on the site, Kim Roy. I’m sure there must be more intelligent Palin fans out there, but they don’t seem to want to show their faces very often.

bluegill

Speaking of intelligence:

We will win this. The Obama campaign is and should be panicking.
bluegill on October 30, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Obama better start preparing a very gracious concession speech.
bluegill on November 3, 2012 at 10:03 AM

After Romney wins tomorrow, I hope you all take your kids or grandkids or significant others out for pizza and ice cream to celebrate the momentous occasion. Getting rid of Obama is a great thing for the country, and make sure your kids remember the date it happens.
bluegill on November 5, 2012 at 10:13 AM

You are the worst kind of bomb throwing hypocrite.

lostmotherland on November 24, 2012 at 10:17 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM

No!..Just wanted to see how long you would keep posting that the Ronulans were the ONLY folks that were calling for a “brokered convention“??..:)

PS..Talk about denial..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:21 AM

There are a couple of things here that need to change. First, Bush will have to win in a primary with the Washington establishment not picking sides, let the best ideas win.

Secondly, if the Republicans don’t get a handle on the media, before 2016, Bush had better not run because he’ll start off in the hole with the press constantly harping on the Bush III mantra. He will never get to talk about issues, so he’ll end up just like Romney with the Saul Alinsky methods working again.

I’m sorry, but the Republicans don’t need another establishment candidate, they need a candidate who will, not only espouse the conservative mantra, but will also not ALLOW the press to frame the issues and will find a way to get the message out. I’m not sure JEB can do that.

ALl of that being said, I like JEB. I live in FLorida and thought he was a great governor. I’m not worried about the side issues with him and the way Republicans refuse to take on the media.

bflat879 on November 24, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM

LoLz..You really are a kook??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Are you ready for Amnesty?

nazo311 on November 24, 2012 at 10:23 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Are you kidding..I have not even got half way down the first page..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:26 AM

After watching his father and his brother enact Democratic policies – NOPE.

Over50 on November 24, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:22 AM

How did you get labelled an attack dog? IIRC, you are one of the most bland and uncommitted studiously neutral commenters on this site. I just got here so I haven’t had time to read pages 1-3 yet.

gh on November 24, 2012 at 10:29 AM

PS..Talk about denial..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:21 AM

That’s it? That’s all you got?

“Sarah Palin Tells Hannity She ‘Wouldn’t Be Afraid’ Of A Brokered Convention.”

Hey Sparky, not being afraid is not the same as calling for one…LOL

Too funny!

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Ted Cruz needs a look and a chance.

He can think for himself and he is not a light weight.

Will not let the media rule him.

Will not play a part the establisment hands him.

Has the ability to get his point across.

Makes people want to vote for him.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Danielvito on November 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM

As I have said before..If Sarah Palin wants to run..I AM all for it (As I have stated before)!!..:)

PS..If she wins the nomination I will proudly vote for her!!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM

To GOP insiders: Please, please, please pick Jeb.

Then we can be done with you for good.

fadetogray on November 24, 2012 at 10:33 AM

NO,If the Repubs do that we will have hand picked establishent candidate guaranteed loser number 3 .

stormridercx4 on November 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:29 AM

lolz..Read the article..:)

PS..I could list more for you..Are we all wrong??..:)

PS..Didn’t C4P have to have a board “cleansing” over this subject??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I have nothing against Palin… but her quitting the governor’s office (even though it may have been the best way out of her legal mess) has damaged her politically. If she runs for President, it’ll be too easy for the other side to paint her as either someone who can’t be trusted to stay in charge against overwhelming dangers, or someone who prefers the spotlight to public office. It would be better for her to run for Senator or another term as Governor before she seeks the highest office in the land.

TMOverbeck on November 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM

How did you get labelled an attack dog? IIRC, you are one of the most bland and uncommitted studiously neutral commenters on this site. I just got here so I haven’t had time to read pages 1-3 yet.

gh on November 24, 2012 at 10:29 AM

It is amazing isn’t it??..I will try to do better in the future!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:44 AM

If the GOP actually wanted to be relevant to America’s future, it would stop being the party of the rich. It would turn on the globalist, pro-open borders rich and it would defend the interests of those trying to become rich. They would draw the line at million dollar incomes, or thereabouts, defending those below that level and outbidding the Democrats on taxes on incomes above that level. They would protect small estates (like below 5M) and eliminate inheritance tax loopholes instead of trying to eliminate the inheritance tax.

They won’t do those things because they really are the party of the rich ….. even after the rich have abandoned them for the Democratic Party.

They want to run another scion of the priveleged class for President?

The GOP really is too stupid to survive.

fadetogray on November 24, 2012 at 10:45 AM

PS..Didn’t C4P have to have a board “cleansing” over this subject??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Found where you poked idesign on p3. She is right above @ 10:29 AM but she is a bit loony over Palin.

What is this “board cleansing”? Re-writing history?

IMO the GOP is going to flame-out spectacularly in 2016. The dems will run Cuomo (Hillary will be a prune by then … or a balloon if she goes the botox route).

The only thing that will save the USA[*] is a third party, built around Palin. She might have to make a sacrificial run in 2016 to build the new party but she could step aside for someone stronger in 2020. I doubt Palin will go for it but without her, the third party space will be filled by Paulians or worse (see EDL in Britain and IB in France).

gh on November 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Here ya go..:)

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEntry?id=16296881

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM

gh on November 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM

No third parties..No!..We will not win with a 3rd party..imho..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

[*] Forgot the postscript above. By the USA, I mean capitalism. We will do our best up here in the great white north but our population would vote 80+% for Obama right now, so we have some work to do.

gh on November 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I could list more..Just answer this question..Didn’t C4P have to have a board cleansing over this subject??..Yes or No??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Instead of Palin, the establishment will hunt high and low to find the next bob Dole so that we assure we get obliterated.

Fuquay Steve on November 24, 2012 at 6:06 AM

High and low . . . and under every Bush.

Conservative Indians: “Greetings, RINO Brothers, and welcome back to our Conservative Camp. Come, sit by our campfire, and help yourselves to some of our venison stew that we made, ourselves. Hey, did you bring any more of those blankets that you gave us on your last visit? It’s probably just a coincidence, but many of our tribe died hideous deaths, shortly after we slept under them. Even so, we open-minded survivors are willing to give you RINOs yet another chance.”

*Pawing through the pile of blankets* . . . “Wow, now, I sure like that turquoise and brown one with the weasels on it. It looks like it will do a good job for me. Do you promise us that these blankets don’t have any of that RINO sickness, clinging to it?”

RINOs: “Sure, we promise. You can trust us.”

Conservative Indians: “Well . . . OK, then. You have another deal, Brother RINOs. We believe that your word is good.”

That winter, the remaining members of the Conservative Tribe succumbed to an even more deadly strain of RINO sickness. The last feeble Brave managed to scrawl this note on his teepee wall, just before keeling over:

“Feed RINOs to the Great Bear. Trade with Palin!”

TheClearRiver on November 24, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM

This latest post could be meant for you..:)

@SarahPalinUSA: Results whether good or bad come from the choices we make. Choose wisely.

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Oh here is another just for you..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

When I was living in New Jersey in the 1980s, I saw a PBS special on the electoral system and how it is rigged against a third party but the GOP is moribund. None of the young stars gets it. I had hopes for Rubio and Jindal but they’ve both said stupid things lately.

Rand Paul has been fairly careful so far but he has a bit of the taint of his father. Cruz is good, so far. There are a few more. Most of them owe Palin at least a little … which is why she is the only one to build a reasonable alternative around. Yes she’s been somewhat abused and she sounds too much like the chillbilly but she’s honest and she understands capitalism. She has no future in the GOP. Too many knives waiting for her to turn her back.

gh on November 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM

I could list more..Just answer this question..Didn’t C4P have to have a board cleansing over this subject??..Yes or No??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Not that I was aware of..:)

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Yes and I “think” she wanted us to choose Romney/Ryan..Did she not??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Yes and I “think” she wanted us to choose Romney/Ryan..Did she not??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 10:58 AM

ABO

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:00 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM

You are kidding??!!??..LOLZ..Really???..

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM

If the GOP goes all in with Bush 3.0, I’m out. It was bad enough holding my nose with Romney, another Bush would be the kiss of death.

rightConcept on November 24, 2012 at 11:05 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:00 AM

No problem with that..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Try as I might, I can only think of one intelligent and reasonable Palinista who comments on the site, Kim Roy. I’m sure there must be more intelligent Palin fans out there, but they don’t seem to want to show their faces very often.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:33 AM

You can put me in the stupid category, bluegill. I supported and still support Sarah Palin. Other than Thomas Sowell, there’s not another public figure I listen to more closely, identify with more fully or judge more credible. Yes, I supported Mitt Romney; so did Palin for that matter.

(By the way, I’ve always considered Danielvito as one of sharper, more insightful commentators on this site.)

Burke on November 24, 2012 at 11:11 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:00 AM

No problem with that..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM

In fact that is how most folks voted if you get to the bottom line..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Just for you…Happy Thanksgiving..:)

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Very nice!!..Very good American family..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:16 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Very nice.

gh on November 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM

*tommy71 looks warily at idesign and Dire Straits*. Is the piefight over? :)

tommy71 on November 24, 2012 at 11:22 AM

tommy71 on November 24, 2012 at 11:22 AM

LoLz..Just have to keep the claws sharp!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Sarah Palin tweets about choosing wisely; Unhinged libs attack over innocuous tweet

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/24/sarah-palin-tweets-about-choosing-wisely-unhinged-libs-attack-innocuous-tweet/

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:27 AM

*tommy71 looks warily at idesign and Dire Straits*. Is the piefight over? :)

tommy71 on November 24, 2012 at 11:22 AM

I hope so..:)

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Bush?!

G.O.P. R.I.P.

Czar of Defenestration on November 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I’m with Rash on the 3rd party idea. It’s not like the 2 party system has been working out for us Conservatives. We haven’t fielded an unabashed articulate Conservative since 1984.

rmel80 on November 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

You can put me in the stupid category, bluegill.
Burke on November 24, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Likewise. Proudly stupid since 2008.

bluegill on November 24, 2012 at 9:33 AM

He lost. In fact he never had it in him to win, never had it in him to take on the Left. Some of us “stupid” folk clearly understood this. As a former Leftist myself, I found it embarrassingly easy to see. The two most qualified candidates in 2012 to perform the most important function of a Republican candidate in this era — to understand and form effective strategies for fighting the Left — were Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich. I would assert that each would have at least won the states that Romney won and likely stood a better cance to vie for some of the swing states.

rrpjr on November 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

tommy71 on November 24, 2012 at 11:22 AM

The kooks are fun to play with..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM

We can’t afford to be shackled to the two party system any longer – 2016 will be the year of the third party candidate.

PALIN 2016! Run-SARAH-Run!

Pork-Chop on November 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The kooks are fun to play with..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Right back at ya..:)

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I’m sorry..I was over the line..Carry on..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM

I have heard people say that every winning GOP ticket after 1928 has had either a Bush or Nixon on it, as if this is a reason to nominate Jeb.

Well I have to ask, what is Tricia Nixon doing?

Reggie1971 on November 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM

If conservatives go third party in large numbers, we must draw many voters away from the Democrats, too, or we will just be throwing the election to the Democrat and convincing people once again the whole third party idea is suicidal.

So how do the promoters here of going third party think conservatives should do to attract millions of Democrats? Seriously.

My suggestion is to abandon the rich. Propose to tax the bejesus out of million dollar plus annual incomes of the globalist super rich and eliminate the massive loopholes in the gift/inheritance tax clans like the Kennedys use to protect their massive wealth.

Also, close the borders. We need time to assimilate the immigrants already here. Millions of regular working, law and order Democrats agree with that idea.

Any other suggestions?

fadetogray on November 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I’m with Rash on the 3rd party idea. It’s not like the 2 party system has been working out for us Conservatives. We haven’t fielded an unabashed articulate Conservative since 1984.

rmel80 on November 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Manly Rash? Seems like 3rd party is gaining momentum thanks to the GOPe trying to dismantle the Tea Party.

SparkPlug on November 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM

fadetogray on November 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM

The GOP will not turn to the Right to save the nation. Instead, it will work feverishly until the collapse to loot the nation enough to secure their lives and children. It is just how it is.

With that said, the end is probably not too far away. I say 8 years and a few months perhaps.

All we can do is prepare to have an alternative leadership with credibility that can work to pick up the pieces immediately afterwards, or we are likely to have to go through a period of indeterminate tyrant leadership.

Democrats will be without credibility after the crash.

Republicans are currently without any credibility as evidenced by the last 4 elections. 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2012. 2010 being an outlier where the voters gave the Republicans an opportunity to show they had learned the lesson of throwing them out to the wilderness was intended to instill. Boehner’s leadership and the votes of the republicans since the 2010 election, along with the nomination of the Author of Obamacare proved that it is not a credible alternative to the Democrat party needed to save the nation.

The libertarian party is a joke of immeasurable levels. More intent on destroying religion in the nation that giving people freedom.

That means we need a different party, filled with different people, people of character who can guide the nation out of the turmoil that will come.

astonerii on November 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

fadetogray on November 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Find Bill Whittle’s latest. It’s an hour at a California tea-party meeting, post-election. He’s giving up politics altogether in order to concentrate on taking back the culture. Should be on youtube.

Read Karl Denninger on market-ticker.org. He’s given up on Dems, GOP, Libertarians. He voted for beelzebub (write-in). His issue is only the fiscal cliff.

Politically, we need a fiscally-prudent, socially-friendly alternative. Abortion *must not* be an issue but freedom of religion is critical. Marxism, progressivism, and atheism are religious just as much as islam, christianity, and buddhism. What is critical is the family. A culture that destroys families has no future.

Constitutional changes are necessary. Amendments to undo the damage done by the progressives (there are 4 amendments brought in starting with Woodrow Wilson that did most of it) are certainly required.

A long-term capitalist strategy is fundamental.

gh on November 24, 2012 at 12:18 PM

That means we need a different party, filled with different people, people of character who can guide the nation out of the turmoil that will come.

astonerii on November 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Perhaps, but you didn’t address my question. How do you suggest getting millions of Democrats on board?

fadetogray on November 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM

LoLz..If you think so..:):)

PS..Sorry I missed this earlier..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Not just no, hell no. F*** all Bushes and the horses they ride in on. Haven’t they done enough damage to this country by helping get Obastard elected?

bbinfl on November 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM

gh on November 24, 2012 at 12:18 PM

I love listening to Whittle. Smart guy. However, he recognizes someone with his views could never get elected by this electorate.

He is taking the long view. Generational. I am talking about the battle over the next ten years, which is what a third party would be about. How do we actually get a candidate elected with this electorate?

Many third party guys are talking about letting the whole system crash and burn. That will not work. The masses do not become more confident and independent and courageous when everything goes to hell. They become more likely to turn to a tyrant.

fadetogray on November 24, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The libertarian party is a joke of immeasurable levels. More intent on destroying religion in the nation that giving people freedom.

When you say “libertarian party”, surely you don’t mean libertarians in general, do you?

But if you do, as a person who considers myself libertarian, I have to ask what it is we are trying to do that will destroy religion?

Reggie1971 on November 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

idesign on November 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Like she’s said many times, she’s happy and her enemies know it. I mean that must really stick in their craw. Knowing that with all their attacks she keeps on keeping on. Being happy, loving, faithful and loyal to God, family and Country. That thanksgiving family photos says it all.

HerneTheHunter on November 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM

astonerii on November 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

I agree. A third party is coming. It didn’t have to be this way. The GOP could have stepped in as the party of reform. This goes back to Perot and all of his voters. The opportunity was so huge and obvious. But they were stupid and corrupt. So now they’re finished. Let Jeb Bush run. It will only ratify the stupidity and strengthen our case.

rrpjr on November 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Don’t be sunshine. Like Sarah would say, bless your heart.

HerneTheHunter on November 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM

HerneTheHunter on November 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM

You betcha!..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM

He is taking the long view. Generational. I am talking about the battle over the next ten years, which is what a third party would be about. How do we actually get a candidate elected with this electorate?

The long view is how the left took over, in the first place. Wilson got things started but the real damage was done by Gramsci and his followers. The build-up started in the 1960s but Reagan and Thatcher put a temporary lid on things. The Bushes are progressives (Wilson) and that opened the doors for the socialists. The hard-core left saw the opportunity once Clinton got elected. They were busy completing the take over the universities in the 1980s.

It will take a couple of election cycles to build a third-party and it may take a couple more to win. The GOP seems to be a complete loss. Start locally. The democrats own the inner cities and they are working on the burbs.

gh on November 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM

The establishment did not really support Charlie Crist. Jeb Bush cannot stand Charlie Crist. He wanted his guy Rubio to oust Crist to end Crist’s power. And the Bush’s are the establishment of the Republican party.

Show me how the establishment supported Charlie Crist?

KMav on November 23, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Most of the establishment supported Crist. The Bushes, however, didn’t. It is my theory that Rubio was basically encouraged to run because Crist had offended the family, especially Jeb Bush. They used Rubio to basically destroy Crist’s political career and we should all be happy about that. I don’t see why Bush would run if Rubio runs and there is no way in hell that Rubio doesn’t run. Since Rubio’s basically a Bush creation, they could just tell him what to do and get their free oil wells or whatever else the family is after.

Illinidiva on November 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM

HerneTheHunter on November 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Please point out my “hate”..I’ll be glad to point out your “worship”..:)

Dire Straits on November 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Are you ready for Bush 2016?

I am ready with my outstretched, open and empty koolaid container!

It has been far too long since the Bush/CLintolns were severed from thier proper place as our divine rulers. We are blessed as a country through the great , feared and loved lineage of Bush and Clintoln. Let not a year pass that these two families are not close to our hearts. Let every 4 years be a celebration of the clans Bush/Clintoln!

BoxHead1 on November 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Nice man should seek private life and do good works, unhearalded like The Romneys.

Fleuries on November 24, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Clinton

BoxHead1 on November 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times?

Bigfoot on November 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM

http://youtu.be/KjmjqlOPd6A

dom89031 on November 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Hopefully 4 years is long enough for Rick Perry to improve his debating skills.

bitsy on November 24, 2012 at 1:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

S. D. on November 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM

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