Are you ready for Bush 2016?

posted at 8:16 pm on November 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

I sure am. Nothing says “new, young, vibrant GOP” like nominating George W. Bush’s 60-something-year-old brother, who’ll have held no political office for nearly 10 years by election day 2016.

Try to wrap your mind around the fact that, if you had to give odds right this minute, the likeliest presidential match-up four years from now would be a second Bush/Clinton election. That’s what this country and its perverse tolerance of dynastic politics has come to. If that’s where we’re headed, I at least want some honesty from the candidates and the public about what we’re doing. Step one: Repeal the Title of Nobility Clause in Article I and make Jeb and Hillary a duke and duchess, respectively. That’ll help tidy things up for Chelsea and George P. Bush in preparation for the inevitable Bush/Clinton III contest in 2036. Step two: I want a Kennedy on the ticket as Hillary’s VP and maybe Ben Quayle or one of the Romney boys (take your pick) as Jeb’s number two. Let’s really own what we’re doing here. Simple proposition: From now on, no one is eligible to run for president unless he/she is related by blood or marriage to someone who already has.

When former President Bill Clinton rolled through here while campaigning for President Obama, he speculated about Mr. Bush’s intentions with Ana Navarro, a Republican strategist and friend of Mr. Bush. It was no idle topic for Mr. Clinton, given the possibility that his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, could seek the Democratic nomination.

When Senator Marco Rubio of Florida held a strategy session here to discuss his own political future last week, the question of Mr. Bush, a mentor, hung over the room; a decision by Mr. Bush, 59, to seek the Republican nomination would almost certainly halt any plans by Mr. Rubio, 41, to do so or abruptly set off a new intraparty feud.

Mr. Bush is said by friends to be weighing financial and family considerations — between so many years in office and the recession his wealth took a dip, they said, and he has been working hard to restore it — as well as the complicated place within the Republican Party of the Bush brand. Asked this week about whether his father would run, Jeb Bush Jr. told CNN, “I certainly hope so.”…

Still, calls for Jeb Bush to enter the arena in a bigger way represent vindication of a sort. His family’s longstanding advocacy for a more broad-based and “compassionate” Republican Party was largely ignored and eventually repudiated by the populist, small-government conservatives who held sway over the party after Mr. Obama’s election.

Enthusiasm for a Jeb candidacy boils down to two things, the belief that public dissatisfaction with Dubya will have faded by 2016 and the idea that Jeb, almost uniquely, can help win back Latinos to the GOP. On the first point, here’s a memorable data point from this year’s national exit poll:

The financial crisis left a long, lingering stain on Dubya’s economic record, sufficiently so that it may have effectively neutralized Romney’s attacks on Obama over jobs. That might fade a bit in time — or, if the economy finally rebounds in O’s second term, the recovery might make Bush’s record look even uglier by contrast. A Bush lost once before to a Clinton because of the economy; imagine Bill out there making the case that electing Hillary will guarantee 90s-era prosperity while Jeb is out there making the case that electing him won’t result in late 00s-era crisis and panic. Which pitch sounds stronger?

As for Jeb’s pull with Latino voters, it’s true that he did well with them during his runs for governor. But part of his appeal is his support for immigration reform, and congressional Republicans will already have made a deal on that before 2016. If a conservative as usually stalwart as Krauthammer is ready to wave the white flag on amnesty in hopes of capturing a few more Latino votes next election, there must be 25 or so centrist Republicans in the House willing to follow suit. At a bare minimum, there’ll be some sort of DREAM Act passed with GOP cooperation and maybe comprehensive immigration reform too depending upon how hard Obama’s willing to push for it. (He was promising in late October to get comprehensive reform done this year.) If it happens, what’s left of Jeb’s big selling point in 2016? He can run on his biography, i.e. the fact that his wife is Mexican and therefore he understands the Latino experience in America better than most politicians of either party. But of course that’s also true of Rubio. And Rubio, unlike Jeb, might be in a position to actually cast a vote on immigration reform this year.

One more thing about the Latino vote in 2016. Lost in all the breathless reports about how badly Romney lost that demographic to Obama is the fact that Obama didn’t do well with Latino Democrats when he first ran for president in 2008. In fact, in most states, he was roundly crushed by Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee in 2016. Bill Clinton was also tremendously popular with Latino voters, destroying Bob Dole in 1996 by 51 points. You can parse that result in two ways. One: The fact that the Democrats might have a nominee who’s unusually strong among Latinos means the GOP must nominate Jeb or Rubio or someone with some sort of unique outreach to that demographic. Or two: The fact that the Clintons are so strong means that any special biographical appeal brought to bear by Jeb or Rubio will be neutralized, making one of their biggest selling points maybe not so big. No way of knowing how the math on that shakes out without seeing multiple polls, but I agree with other analysts who say that it’s foolish to think Latinos are single-issue voters. They vote like everyone else, based on the economic, social, and foreign policies that they prefer. (I.e. mostly Democratic.) That being so, are we sure a guy named “Bush” would have any more appeal to them than he would to the rest of the electorate that has less-than-fond memories of Dubya’s second term? I’m not convinced.


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Are you ready for Bush 2016?

The last death ride of the Republican Party.

I hope they do it.

sharrukin on November 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

No.

KCB on November 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Do Not Want.

Northwoods on November 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

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That clear enough for ya GOP?!

Stop with the “next in line” bull already and let FRESH people have a shot.

Rubio, West, Jindal, Palin, etc

SgtSVJones on November 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Heirloom.

HerneTheHunter on November 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

No.

I hope we can put a stake in this one early on. And the earlier the better.

farsighted on November 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

No, and this needs to be quashed ASAP.

Charlemagne on November 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

*shaking my head* the GOP really wants to be irrelevant…

NapaConservative on November 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I think he would struggle with choosing between Colin ‘it’s not about race’ Powell and Meagan ‘Pass the Biscuits’ McCain to be his running mate.

Just seeing this assures me that my decision to quit the republican party of fail was the right one.

lm10001 on November 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Si se puede!

Mark1971 on November 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Sure, yeah, let’s go with that guy. I heard he did OK with Hispanic voters a long time ago.

forest on November 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

HELL NO……I WON`T GO !

Rook on November 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Well, I’ll be able to go back to voting Libertarian then.

rbj on November 23, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Sure, yeah, let’s go with that guy. I heard he did OK with Hispanic voters a long time ago.

forest on November 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

But only if Karl Rove runs the big PACs! Can’t believe I almost forgot that condition.

forest on November 23, 2012 at 8:26 PM

What a generous thought, Governor. Kindly understand that your family are honorably retired from executive office with our thanks. Three presidents in one family are sufficient for the life of the Republic. Four would make patriots blush.

Scribbler on November 23, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Just like asking if God should be placed in the DNC platform..

NO!!!!!

What?

NO!!!!!!!!

Say what?

NO!!!!!!!! [yes]
NO!!!!!!!!!

Ok..the majority rules..
God is now in..

Electrongod on November 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM

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williamg on November 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Sure, yeah, let’s go with that guy. I heard he did OK with Hispanic voters a long time ago.

forest on November 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Yeah, pandering FTW! We’re guaranteed to sweep everything if we can gain back the lost 15% of a group that makes up 4% of the overall electorate!

Gingotts on November 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I quit on this country… and you should to.

ninjapirate on November 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Oh, you know: 43, 41, and 14.

You knew about 14, right?

Scribbler on November 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

THIS is what Allahpundit will FOCUS on, now….

RATHER than talking about The Way Obama is DESTROYING this Country at home and abroad, over and over again…..

He’ll USE THIS to give Obama COVER!!!

williamg on November 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Why would anyone fight for the America that exists today? Anyone who joins the military in this day and age is an idiot because we are not one nation anymore. You don’t know what you would be fighting for.

ninjapirate on November 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

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williamg on November 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Yes. Mr Compassionate Conservative was only beat out of the Porkbarrel Spending Crown by the Lightbringer From Chicago.

sharrukin on November 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

One is tempted to point out the obvious reality that absolutely nobody in the Republican party wants anything to do with their anointed frontrunner, making this flotilla of trial balloons for Jeb over the last couple weeks absurd.

But of course, that was (nearly) the case last year, as well.

Then again, the stable is a bit deeper. The alternative to “terrible candidate” will be better than “not a candidate.” Which isn’t really saying much, but it’s something.

HitNRun on November 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Ok..the majority rules..
God is now in..

Electrongod on November 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM

the dems are religious facists!

nathor on November 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I don’t care what the GOP does quite frankly.

Mr. Arrogant on November 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Whoo! Break out the popcorn
…or not.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

People need to be asking 1 thing…

Would a victory for Jeb Bush be a victory for the people who would vote for Jeb Bush?

ninjapirate on November 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

we should call him a princeling like the chinese do!

nathor on November 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I’ll be a total hypocrite after urging people to vote because it’s a choice.

And I won’t vote. Something I haven’t done since his father’s re-election attempt.

Or I could avoid being a hypocrite and vote for his opponent. After Obama, it should be a doozy.

I just know, I’ll never pull another lever for a Bush after pulling it 3 times. I had to learn sooner or later.

Hog Wild on November 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Would a victory for Jeb Bush be a victory for the people who would vote for Jeb Bush?

BTW, don’t dare tell people they have no other choice… the people in Greece are told that too and they’re increasingly(though it’s blown out of proportion) turning to fascism.

ninjapirate on November 23, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Not yet! The bigger question is: Can Notre Dame beat USC in one of the most hostile territory’s on the West Coast?

Rovin on November 23, 2012 at 8:38 PM

if you had to give odds right this minute,

So many said the same thing about Clinton-Palin for 2012, and how did that prediction turn out? This Hillary Clinton derangement thing has to be let go of sometime.

I’ll tell you right now who the Dem nom will be in 2016, though. Senator Tammy Baldwin from Wisconsin. Female, gay, it’s a twofer on the politically correct historic scale. Just remember that you heard about it on the HA boards long ago when it happens.

Moesart on November 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The Bush family and their hanger-ons have lived off public monies and political contacts to pad their millions. Further, their liberal views have destroyed what reagan built.

Take a look at how long these political hoars have been at it;

Samuel Bush- close advisor to Herbert “freakin” hoover
Prescott Bush (George H’s father)- Senator Ct in the 50′s
George H W Bush-appointed CIA director, appointed VP, president by proxy gave us Clinton for 8 years
George W Bush- moved to a red state tx- thanks dad, gov/prez- gave us 8 years of obama
Jeb Bush- moved to a red state that now is becoming blue- thanks- now he wants daddy’s job
Neil Bush- George H’s son- businessman lives off of political contacts
Marvin Bush- George H’s son- venture capitalist lives off of political contacts
Dorthy Busj Koch- George H’s daughter- married to a wine lobbyist- makes living off of political contacts

Prescott Bush’s brother- Jonathan (banker) William H (insurance)& daughter Nancy Bush ellis (media)

Now Jeb’s kid move to texas (his mom is mexican), big mexican vote to have and he wants to run- (he’s in a politically connected real estate holding company

So what we have is the Bush family controlling the GOP for the most part of 90 FREAKIN YEARS. They want to controll it forever.

Until we get rid of the bush family we have no hope for conservative values free of the establishment.

We need outsiders, tea party etc. to take control.

Danielvito on November 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

i think we have to go with Bush/Dole in 16. Elizabeth Dole that is. If we do that, then we will have a Dole on the ticket in 76, 96 and 16.

I mean, that’s a bumper sticker i can get behind.

and Bush 88, 92, 00, 04, 16…even better.

and then we can have Haley Barbour going on the stump to pitch his idea that immigration reform is for the Colonel..well, at least KFC…and Tommy Thompson to regale everyone with his old war stories..and George Allen to talk about his dad.

i’m really warming up to this.

i mean, seriously, Rubio is some kinda nut anyway…

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r keller on November 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

BUSH 2016……..I’d rather lick the vomit of Barack Obama off his shoes than vote for this piece of Dynastic Progressive new order filth!!!!

So no……not a fan.

PappyD61 on November 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Republicans will nominate anyone they think will get the a few more Latino votes. Anyone. Bush, Christie, the Huckster, anyone. It’s already been decided that’s the main objective. 2016 Latinos are the 2012 indies.

Dongemaharu on November 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

It’s becoming more difficult to be optimistic. Events are the only thing that can save us now.

Curtiss on November 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Although I came to like and respect Romney in the last couple months before the election, one of the things I most assuredly resented at the beginning was the crass and pushy way he was foisted on us as the Last Best Hope of the GOP, because it was His Turn, and especially, because he was the one the Dems wanted.

Why are we being forced into this damn game again?!

No. Just NO.

No more retreads, fer Pete’s sake!

PatriotGal2257 on November 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

BUSH family……..been sucking off the teat of the Federal sow for generations.

TEATERMERICA!!!

Nothing says the gop is dead better than talk of a Bush.

I TOLD YOU GUYS…….The gop is DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!!

PappyD61 on November 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

let FRESH people have a shot.
Rubio, West, Jindal, Palin, etc
SgtSVJones on November 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Palin is the furthest thing from fresh. Not only did she get less votes than the 2012 ticket, but she remains an unelectable ditz still today.

West is an undisciplined loose cannon who has never even won a statewide race.

Rubio might have been better than those two, but his recent apparent support for illegal alien amnesty should make him unacceptable. I am willing to hear him out and see how he performs in the next few years, though.

Jindal could potentially be a strong contender, and I am interested to see how well he campaigns during the primary season.

bluegill on November 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Not just NO, HELL NO!

ouldbollix on November 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

My ex-liberal self is salivating at the chance to run against BOOOOOSH!!!

Oh man, what kind of idiocity is this? Look, liberals went through 12 years of BOOOOSH. You guys haven’t even gone through 8 years of Obama yet. You’ve got some catching up to do to understand just how truly hated Bush really is. Imagine Obama for the next 4 years. And then Michelle Obama for 4 years after that. Once you go through that, then you can BEGIN to understand how much Liberals hate Bush. And yeah, you need more than just one side to win, but Independents aren’t going to go for another round of Bush.

For me, I was a liberal for 12 years of Bush and a conservative for 4 years of Obama. Only President I liked was Clinton. How’s that for a bad political run. Anyways, that’s just to give you an idea what liberals have gone through. You think conservatives are losing the battle? No way. Not even close. Obama lost voters in almost every county. Romney has now surpassed McCain in vote count. He’s increased the vote count in Ohio, FL, WI, VA, NC (Obama actually increased his vote total here as well and Romney still won big), CO.

So a real conservative can win. Just needs to actually believe in his own dog food.

MrX on November 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Why would anyone fight for the America that exists today? Anyone who joins the military in this day and age is an idiot because we are not one nation anymore. You don’t know what you would be fighting for.

ninjapirate on November 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Sure you would: the lives of enemy civilians have primacy over the lives of American soldiers. ROE started, BTW, during the Bush 43 presidency and continued through Obama’s …

Who wouldn’t want to fight for that principle?
/cowardly military commanders — up to and including the CinC — who follow such orders and sacrifice better men than themselves

ShainS on November 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Rubio/Rice or Rice/Rubio.

aebloo on November 23, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Beavis/ Butthead for the win!

BallisticBob on November 23, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Want to know why we lost? Was there even one prominent Democrat pundit who didn’t have Obama’s back throughout the election campaign, no matter how many “you didn’t build that” moments he had? And he had plenty.

Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

bluegill on November 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Says the azz that was pimping romneycare for years. You gave us Obama, you have no credibility.

Every fu*king post that you supported romneycare with at this site on various threads(which is thousands over the years) should be sent to Obama so he can make you one of his elite supporters.

Danielvito on November 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

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That clear enough for ya GOP?!

Stop with the “next in line” bull already and let FRESH people have a shot.

Rubio, West, Jindal, Palin, etc

SgtSVJones on November 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

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stenwin77 on November 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

…hmm no!
I would go postal!

KOOLAID2 on November 23, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Dear God NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gophergirl on November 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Want to know why we lost?

Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Because Republicans believe in nothing… and it shows.

sharrukin on November 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

No.

ButterflyDragon on November 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Not yet! The bigger question is: Can Notre Dame beat USC in one of the most hostile territory’s on the West Coast?

Rovin on November 23, 2012 at 8:38 PM

SO looking forward to that game.

gophergirl on November 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

BUSH 2016……..I’d rather lick the vomit of Barack Obama off his shoes than vote for this piece of Dynastic Progressive new order filth!!!!

So no……not a fan.

PappyD61 on November 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Bush isn’t my choice, but if you are representative of more than just a tiny tiny insane fringe of the GOP, the party is in deep deep trouble.

Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Want to know why we lost? Was there even one prominent Democrat pundit who didn’t have Obama’s back throughout the election campaign, no matter how many “you didn’t build that” moments he had? And he had plenty.
Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Yes, that is a very good point. The Democrats definitely seemed more unified, and they spent most of their energy attacking Republicans and the tea party. On the Republican side, even when the nominee was all but official, we still had many prominent conservative pundits spending a lot of time and energy promoting conservative in-fighting.

bluegill on November 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

This should serve as a huge motivator for a third party. Don’t want it to start with a presidential election, but hey, if the dumb masses could vote for a second Obama term with only two real candidates, then starting to build the Constitution party in 2014 and 2016 aren’t going to do much more damage than what has already been done.

/Yeah, I was adamantly against a third party at the national election level before, but that was before the dumb masses showed what @$$e$ the electorate really is with this election. Time for a party with some huevos and spine.

AZfederalist on November 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

This, by the way, was what Rule 12 was about.

The Familia understood that there would be ahem some hesitation to a Restoration, especially after the Catastrophe of the Establishment’s Assumption of Romney failed so miserably.

So they’ve tried to fix the game.

Wait until Palin starts testing the waters. Right on time, the same Establishment Mouthpieces who swore up and down that Romney was a sure thing and that he’d kick Obama’s ass like a rented mule will be on here claiming that Jeb is the Next Christ.

Like clockwork.

victor82 on November 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Try to wrap your mind around the fact that, if you had to give odds right this minute, the likeliest presidential match-up four years from now would be a second Bush/Clinton election. That’s what this country and its perverse tolerance of dynastic politics has come to.

It represent a latent form of monarchism- a belief that society’s established wealth and political classes are the best equipped to solve this country’s problems. Those lobbying for the abolishment of estate taxes seem to carry a similar set of beliefs.

In the case of the Clintons, the 22nd amendment may be part of the problem. If the country wants Bill Clinton, let it elect him without having to bring Hillary into the picture. It’s probably time to repeal.

bayam on November 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Are you ready for Bush 2016?

Let’s hope the Mayan’s were right!

CurpliTium on November 23, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Why even discuss a Republican president? Thanks to Jeb and other open-borders advocates, there will never be another Republican President. One minute after Obama (and Boehner, McConnel, Rove, etc.) get their amnesty passed, Texas and Florida are gone to the democrats forever. You can’t get to 271 if you spot the democrats 250.

Alabama Infidel on November 23, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Let prince in waiting Jeb Bush move to Mexico and run for President there. That way he would eliminate the middle man – the United States.

VorDaj on November 23, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Yes, that is a very good point. The Democrats definitely seemed more unified, and they spent most of their energy attacking Republicans and the tea party. On the Republican side, even when the nominee was all but official, we still had many prominent conservative pundits spending a lot of time and energy promoting conservative in-fighting.

bluegill on November 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Of course, if we had actually nominated a conservative, that infighting you speak of might not have occurred.

Go away. You better start polishing up your Jeb!2016! mug.

victor82 on November 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Time for a third party. The Republicans trul6y are the STUPID Party!

Sparky5253 on November 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM

No more Bush or Clinton or Obamuh.

We’re looking for a younger newer true conservative model.

stukinIL4now on November 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Want to know why we lost?

Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Because Republicans believe in nothing… and it shows.

sharrukin on November 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Your perfect candidate will never exist. Your are not a Republican. You are a libertarian nihilist. You have nothing to contribute but despair.

Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM

We gotta have someone better than this. Right?

vcferlita on November 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I think Republicans should go for some one more moderate that Bush or Romney.

Rovin on November 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM

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logman1 on November 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM

God Lord.. No. Just support Rubio. Seriously, I will vote for Rubio if it means no Jeb Bush. I want the policy off between Rubio and Ryan, not another Bush.

Illinidiva on November 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Before everybody gets their undies in a bunch – we probably should worry about 2014 before we declare all hope lost for 2016.

Just a thought.

gophergirl on November 23, 2012 at 9:03 PM

“Fringe”—–anyone wanting to face reality that the gop is DEAD DEAD DEAD.

They have lost the will to live and are doomed…….like the republic.

If you can look across the American culture and see its salvageable you need your eyes checked.

We are witnessing the scene in the book “The Prophet” by Frank Peretti when the culture collapses and as they are swallowed into the abyss they just have to grab one more thing at the mall.

Dead.

PappyD61 on November 23, 2012 at 9:03 PM

It represent a latent form of monarchism- a belief that society’s established wealth and political classes are the best equipped to solve this country’s problems.

You had me.

Those lobbying for the abolishment of estate taxes seem to carry a similar set of beliefs.

… and then you lost me. Because those who are in that class have already got the system gamed to where their money is set up in foundations and other means by which their families will continue to remain wealthy in perpetuity. Some of the biggest hypocrites in this regard are those democrats calling for the increase in estate taxes and people like Noam Chomsky who argues vociferously against passing wealth from generation to generation. Well, except for himself, he’s set up his heirs for life.
What the real effect of this nonsense does is causes the loss of family farms and businesses built by one generation with the help of the next generation. The next generation then has to sell off the farm or business because they can’t pay the estate taxes on what they have already worked for and paid taxes on and are not big enough to shelter the business or farm like the real elites can do.

In the case of the Clintons, the 22nd amendment may be part of the problem. If the country wants Bill Clinton, let it elect him without having to bring Hillary into the picture. It’s probably time to repeal.

bayam on November 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Funny, bet you wouldn’t have said that if people had argued for Reagan to run for a third term or W Bush.

No, four FDR terms have set us down the path of destruction badly enough, we don’t need another such regime to complete the enslavement.

AZfederalist on November 23, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Your perfect candidate will never exist.

Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Not in the GOP, that’s become very clear.

sharrukin on November 23, 2012 at 9:07 PM

My reaction. Actor looks kind of like my boss, BTW.

1. Can we please have a candidate whose adolescence and college experience somewhere came after the advent of the personal computer?

2. NO NEXT IN LINE YOU STUPID BIZITCHES! How many times and in how many languages do I need to say this? I apparently don’t know the Dumbassanese the GOPe speaks, apparently.

3. Everything from the current debt, all the way to male pattern baldness is somehow the fault of the Bush Family. Let’s go nominate another, shall we///? *facepalm*

4. Oh screw this, I need another drink.

Sekhmet on November 23, 2012 at 9:08 PM

I think Republicans should go for some one more moderate that Bush or Romney.

Rovin on November 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM

I don’t think Hillary, Michelle, or Valerie Jarrett are going to change parties.

AZfederalist on November 23, 2012 at 9:08 PM

But, but, but he’s a moderate and will carry the independent vote. How many times will we have to hear this over the next four years? Call me what ever you like, but I say go conservative or nothing at all. If we are going to lose, then I say lose on principal.

DDay on November 23, 2012 at 9:09 PM

No. Hell no.

theotherone on November 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Your perfect candidate will never exist.

Basilsbest on November 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Neither will America..

Electrongod on November 23, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Jeb doesn’t look presidential. He’s the portly brother.

Slade73 on November 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM

If another Bush is nominated it’s:

“Adios la Fiesta Republica”

NapaConservative on November 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM

They just don’t get it – do they.

Pork-Chop on November 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Most don’t realize most of the bushie’s were born in liberal Ct.. So for political opportunism, they moved to Tx. & Fla.

Isn’t it interesting since the Bush family left Ct., it’s become a solid blue state. Since Jeb was gov of Fla, we lose Fla in two successive prez elections. Now Jeb’s kid doesn’t want to run in Florida where his dad was Gov. he moved to texas, a red state. Ever wonder why?

These Bush hoars, turn red into blue

Prescott Bush- Senator from Red to blue in Ct (50′s)
George H W Bush gave us clinton for 8 years
George W bush gave us obama for 8 years
Jeb Bush gave us Charlie Crist

Will the Fu*king Bush family go away. How much damage to conservatives do they want to do.

Danielvito on November 23, 2012 at 9:18 PM

bluegill on November 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

This Palin thing you have…it is ridiculous, old, tired and busted.
Just my opinion.

KCB on November 23, 2012 at 9:19 PM

honestly, if jeb had any grace he’d say he doesn’t want it. Even the fact that we’re talking about this is an indictment of the R party.

They have no plan and apparently no way to articulate whatever principles they have…so it comes down to a free-for-all…game show style debates held by a hostile media (that at least in the case of Stephy was actually coordinating with Obama)

I know that romney only lost by a small margin…but that is kinda irrelevant given the massive destruction in the Senate.

The truth is that there was an opposition party during FDR…for all 4 elections. We have to look at this with a clear head.

think this way Bush=Hoover.

2008=1932

Rs are in better shape than in 1932…but do the math. I’m not sure this population is as fluid as some people think. Barone and others have talked a lot about a 50/50 nation. And maybe the financial crisis tipped it to 52/48…in favor of the Left. And, just maybe, 2010 was an anomaly.

i’m not saying that is true…time will tell…but Rs really need to being doing some deep dives on who they are…

r keller on November 23, 2012 at 9:19 PM

They just don’t get it – do they.

Pork-Chop on November 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Are you sure they are the ones who don’t get it? Losing for them with an elite retread means a few less choice morsels for their friends, while winning with someone who is going to clean out the troughs means they get nothing. The Republicans and Democrats are fighting for control of the porkbarrel. The individual who wants to kick over the porkbarrel isn’t wanted by either group.

sharrukin on November 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

He expired.

22044 on November 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

22044 on November 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Yes.

KCB on November 23, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I want to know where these clowns in the GOP hang out together and come up with this crap. We need a canidate not on an ego trip (Mitt)
On the other hand if your going to bet on a loser , might as well get to the window early.

rik on November 23, 2012 at 9:22 PM

JFC don’t start with 2016 already.

Ugly on November 23, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Nice man but NO

Delsa on November 23, 2012 at 9:26 PM

W’s obliteration of the once conservative party wasn’t enough? I’d vote straight dem and hope Pelosi was on top of the ticket.

voiceofreason on November 23, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Is he really the best man for the job?

If he wants to run in the primaries, fine, whatever. It’s not like I have anything to do with the primaries anyway, however I don’t see anyone wanting to spend money on another Bush trip to the White House.

I hope he’s not really considering this.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 23, 2012 at 9:30 PM

[The Bush] family’s longstanding advocacy for a more broad-based and “compassionate” Republican Party was largely ignored and eventually repudiated by the populist, small-government conservatives who held sway over the party after Mr. Obama’s election.

Sorry, where is that populist, small-government conservatives who “held sway” of the party after Mr. Obama’s election ???

williampeck1958 on November 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

It will be hard enough for the GOP separate itself from the legacy of Bush, that of course will be impossible to sell if they nominate another Bush….

Sad thing is, I think Jeb was the one Bush who actually had the intelligence and common sense to be a good president…not his doofus brother we elected in 2000. I sometimes wonder if the country and GOP would have been better off if Gore had won in 2000. That probably would have meant no Obama, no GOP slide into a spending frenzy in the 2000s, no Iraq, and today the GOP and conservatives would be in power, using the Gore years to bash the democrats, over and over again.

William Eaton on November 23, 2012 at 9:32 PM

While Bush might do better with Hispanics than Romney, I don’t see him helping to bring out the millions of conservatives who sat out this election. Actually, I think it would be worse with Jeb Bush at the top of the ticket.

Rubio, who has charisma and the ability to articulate a conservative message, would be a far superior candidate.

TarheelBen on November 23, 2012 at 9:32 PM

LOL. Take note of a lot of these “No WAY!!!!” comments. If Jeb’s the GOPe pick, they’ll change on a dime to “You’ve gotta get behind Jeb or the Commies will win!!!!”

ddrintn on November 23, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Not a chance. I will write in Nick Gillespie.

Jaibones on November 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM

They just don’t get it – do they.

Pork-Chop on November 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Are you sure they are the ones who don’t get it? Losing for them with an elite retread means a few less choice morsels for their friends, while winning with someone who is going to clean out the troughs means they get nothing. The Republicans and Democrats are fighting for control of the porkbarrel. The individual who wants to kick over the porkbarrel isn’t wanted by either group.

sharrukin on November 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Abso-friggin’-lutely. That’s the game right there.

ddrintn on November 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM

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