Are you ready for Bush 2016?

posted at 8:16 pm on November 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

I sure am. Nothing says “new, young, vibrant GOP” like nominating George W. Bush’s 60-something-year-old brother, who’ll have held no political office for nearly 10 years by election day 2016.

Try to wrap your mind around the fact that, if you had to give odds right this minute, the likeliest presidential match-up four years from now would be a second Bush/Clinton election. That’s what this country and its perverse tolerance of dynastic politics has come to. If that’s where we’re headed, I at least want some honesty from the candidates and the public about what we’re doing. Step one: Repeal the Title of Nobility Clause in Article I and make Jeb and Hillary a duke and duchess, respectively. That’ll help tidy things up for Chelsea and George P. Bush in preparation for the inevitable Bush/Clinton III contest in 2036. Step two: I want a Kennedy on the ticket as Hillary’s VP and maybe Ben Quayle or one of the Romney boys (take your pick) as Jeb’s number two. Let’s really own what we’re doing here. Simple proposition: From now on, no one is eligible to run for president unless he/she is related by blood or marriage to someone who already has.

When former President Bill Clinton rolled through here while campaigning for President Obama, he speculated about Mr. Bush’s intentions with Ana Navarro, a Republican strategist and friend of Mr. Bush. It was no idle topic for Mr. Clinton, given the possibility that his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, could seek the Democratic nomination.

When Senator Marco Rubio of Florida held a strategy session here to discuss his own political future last week, the question of Mr. Bush, a mentor, hung over the room; a decision by Mr. Bush, 59, to seek the Republican nomination would almost certainly halt any plans by Mr. Rubio, 41, to do so or abruptly set off a new intraparty feud.

Mr. Bush is said by friends to be weighing financial and family considerations — between so many years in office and the recession his wealth took a dip, they said, and he has been working hard to restore it — as well as the complicated place within the Republican Party of the Bush brand. Asked this week about whether his father would run, Jeb Bush Jr. told CNN, “I certainly hope so.”…

Still, calls for Jeb Bush to enter the arena in a bigger way represent vindication of a sort. His family’s longstanding advocacy for a more broad-based and “compassionate” Republican Party was largely ignored and eventually repudiated by the populist, small-government conservatives who held sway over the party after Mr. Obama’s election.

Enthusiasm for a Jeb candidacy boils down to two things, the belief that public dissatisfaction with Dubya will have faded by 2016 and the idea that Jeb, almost uniquely, can help win back Latinos to the GOP. On the first point, here’s a memorable data point from this year’s national exit poll:

The financial crisis left a long, lingering stain on Dubya’s economic record, sufficiently so that it may have effectively neutralized Romney’s attacks on Obama over jobs. That might fade a bit in time — or, if the economy finally rebounds in O’s second term, the recovery might make Bush’s record look even uglier by contrast. A Bush lost once before to a Clinton because of the economy; imagine Bill out there making the case that electing Hillary will guarantee 90s-era prosperity while Jeb is out there making the case that electing him won’t result in late 00s-era crisis and panic. Which pitch sounds stronger?

As for Jeb’s pull with Latino voters, it’s true that he did well with them during his runs for governor. But part of his appeal is his support for immigration reform, and congressional Republicans will already have made a deal on that before 2016. If a conservative as usually stalwart as Krauthammer is ready to wave the white flag on amnesty in hopes of capturing a few more Latino votes next election, there must be 25 or so centrist Republicans in the House willing to follow suit. At a bare minimum, there’ll be some sort of DREAM Act passed with GOP cooperation and maybe comprehensive immigration reform too depending upon how hard Obama’s willing to push for it. (He was promising in late October to get comprehensive reform done this year.) If it happens, what’s left of Jeb’s big selling point in 2016? He can run on his biography, i.e. the fact that his wife is Mexican and therefore he understands the Latino experience in America better than most politicians of either party. But of course that’s also true of Rubio. And Rubio, unlike Jeb, might be in a position to actually cast a vote on immigration reform this year.

One more thing about the Latino vote in 2016. Lost in all the breathless reports about how badly Romney lost that demographic to Obama is the fact that Obama didn’t do well with Latino Democrats when he first ran for president in 2008. In fact, in most states, he was roundly crushed by Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee in 2016. Bill Clinton was also tremendously popular with Latino voters, destroying Bob Dole in 1996 by 51 points. You can parse that result in two ways. One: The fact that the Democrats might have a nominee who’s unusually strong among Latinos means the GOP must nominate Jeb or Rubio or someone with some sort of unique outreach to that demographic. Or two: The fact that the Clintons are so strong means that any special biographical appeal brought to bear by Jeb or Rubio will be neutralized, making one of their biggest selling points maybe not so big. No way of knowing how the math on that shakes out without seeing multiple polls, but I agree with other analysts who say that it’s foolish to think Latinos are single-issue voters. They vote like everyone else, based on the economic, social, and foreign policies that they prefer. (I.e. mostly Democratic.) That being so, are we sure a guy named “Bush” would have any more appeal to them than he would to the rest of the electorate that has less-than-fond memories of Dubya’s second term? I’m not convinced.


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GMO on November 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM

you ‘nistas drag her into a thread and prattle on about her super dooper political powers and when someone rebuts you, this is your answer.

chasdal on November 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM

i know she did this which is about as far from conservative ideals as you can get.

chasdal on November 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

http://juneauempire.com/stories/051608/sta_279721056.shtml

Juneau is in the midst of an energy crisis caused by loss of its hydroelectric power. Backup diesel generation is boosting residential electric rates from 11 cents per kilowatt-hour to 54 cents per kWh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

It’s from the Alaska Permanent Fund which issues dividends every year anyway to residents of Alaska.

The lowest individual dividend payout was $331.29 in 1984 and the highest was $2,069 in 2008.[12] However, in 2008 Governor Sarah Palin signed Senate Bill 4002[13] that used revenues generated from the state’s natural resources and provided a one-time special payment of $1,200 to every Alaskan eligible for the Permanent Fund dividend.

sharrukin on November 26, 2012 at 12:03 AM

you ‘nistas drag her into a thread and prattle on about her super dooper political powers and when someone rebuts you, this is your answer.

chasdal on November 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM

It’s usually the harpies that drag Palin in. This originally was supposed to be a thread on Jeb Bush and how much he sucks.

bw222 on November 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

none of that is relevant. her quitting is a big negative if she ever runs for an elected office again. regardless of any explanation. anyone who thinks otherwise is way too deep in the palin cult to reason with.

chasdal on November 25, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Being in a position where you and your family can lose everything you own isn’t relevant? Are you bluegill’s brother?

bw222 on November 26, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Ryan voted for and supported massively increased government spending and that is who you admire. You prefer cheap talk to real action.

TARP was necessary to keep the entire banking system in the U.S. from collapsing. What is intriguing about Ryan is that he has pointed out that the fact that Bank of America has to be bailed out from its stupid decisions sucks. I’d love to see Ryan actually go full monopoly buster on this one, but since he is getting all of Romney’s money guys, I don’t think he will. That’s something that it would be intriguing for Palin to be in favor of.. A sort of populist trust busting move ala Teddy Roosevelt.

Other than that, I’m not sure exactly how Ryan wasn’t in favor of Ryan’s own budget (which Palin supported). He actually got screwed over many times by the budget. I’m sure that the GW speech where he was basically told he was un-American by the President in a setting where he couldn’t respond and the President was basically using the office of the Presidency to bully his opponent was awesomely awesome for Ryan. Also, considering how much Obama likes personally destroying his opponents, you’d better consider that there have been Democrats up in Janesville looking for dirt since 2010. Of course, there is nothing there since Ryan has basically been running for President since he was in college, but still it is ugly. Palin couldn’t actually deal with that amount of scrutiny. When faced by that, she just quits.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 12:15 AM

More on Steve Schmidt:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/07/was-steve-schmidt-qualified-to-be-mccains-campaign-manager

bw222 on November 26, 2012 at 12:04 AM

No… We can agree that Schmidt sucks, but that doesn’t mean that Palin is Presidential material.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Man, I love how Palin can still get in people’s heads. You all just can’t get over her, can you?
GMO on November 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM

The scary part is some people actually believe that only Sarah Palin is worth voting for and is the only one who can save us all. I think she tends to appeal to a small certain, um, sect of the voting population, while most of the country, including many conservatives, sees her as a bit of a joke. But her unique appeal to stupid voters isn’t the whole problem; she also encourages them to believe she will soon be riding in on a white horse to save the day. I doubt she’ll ever run, but she doesn’t mind undercutting support for actual potential candidates (among these dumb voters whose votes we need) by continuing to play it coy and cutesy when discussing her political future. By the way, I am in no way saying that all Sarah Palin fans are dumb.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Palin couldn’t actually deal with that amount of scrutiny. When faced by that, she just quits.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 12:15 AM

You are a liar and you know it.

They went through her E-mails, her garbage, camped outside her house, rented the house next door, and investigated her pregnancy AND FOUND NOTHING, which you know. Yet you lie about these things here, and try to ignore the Alaskan legal situation she was in which you also know about having been told several times by various posters.

Whatever your issue with her, it has nothing to do with facts.

sharrukin on November 26, 2012 at 12:22 AM

By the way, I am in no way saying that all Sarah Palin fans are dumb.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Except that you just did…you can’t have it both ways Jack. I’d support Palin if she ran again but as you (and others) have pointed out she needs to engage & fight not simply hide behind Sean Hannity on FNC and while I like her Facebook posts and her decent speeches she needs to fight it out with liberals either by running for office again (another shot at Governor wouldn’t hurt now that the law has been amended) or fighting it out on news shows a la Paul Ryan.

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2012 at 12:23 AM

kim roy on November 25, 2012 at 11:33 PM

i know she did this which is about as far from conservative ideals as you can get.

chasdal on November 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Thank you for bring a fact to the table.

However, reading it it seems it was a one time, one year or certain amount subsidy because of an avalanche that caused a particular hardship.

That’s like helping out an area that has been hurt by a natural disaster, like, say, a hurricane area.

I don’t have a problem with it. Unless I read it wrong it was for a particular period of time to help out with the cut off from the avalanche. Please correct me if I read it wrong.

kim roy on November 26, 2012 at 12:34 AM

And something else that really bothered me was that Palin, as the face of the Republican Party and as the representative for conservatives, reinforced the favorite liberal notion that conservatives are dumb.

It’s not fun having a nominee that you have to constantly make excuses for.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM

You mean like some of us had to for Mitt Romney? Sigh.

The media thanks you for your compliance. We expect the same when we curb stomp the next candidate. Thank you in advance.

kim roy on November 26, 2012 at 12:37 AM

The media thanks you for your compliance. We expect the same when we curb stomp the next candidate. Thank you in advance.
kim roy on November 26, 2012 at 12:37 AM

I was 100% behind Palin when she ran. I put idesign and ddrintn to shame in my pro-Palin support. But we all saw how well she did when faced with the scrutiny. She seemed amateurish. I don’t want to see a repeat of that. Palin hasn’t even convinced most of the country that she is even qualified to be president. That is like hurdle number one for a potential candidate. I think a lot of people like her, but just don’t think she is fit to be president.

As I said before, we have governors like Jindal, Walker, McDonnell and Pence who have the potential to be very strong candidates. I understand that some of these people have offered self-serving criticism of Romney a little too early after the election, but that doesn’t discount them in my mind.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Quick two cents on those talking about Palin running. Sorry, no, it’s not going to happen.

Here’s the problem, the left made it their mission to destroy her, and while a lot of what they said was unfair she didn’t do a very good job making it difficult for them. It’s not just the 2008 campaign either, if that was the only period of time her reputation was tarnished it wouldn’t be a problem. Eight years of time would have been plenty of time to heal those wounds.

However, following the 2008 campaign, she made a lot of strategic errors. The error that made her all but untouchable for the foreseeable future however, was making her family life so readily accessible. The drama surrounding her daughters failed (last I checked) marriage, in particular, damaged her. Fair or not, the popular perception is that she and her family has some trailer park traits, and that difficult to recover from.

Again though, a lot of this is her own fault. She wanted to make a lot of money as a media personality during the last four years. It’s hard to do that without putting your families internal struggles on full display.

If after 2008, she had taken a somewhat more low key role, and quietly built up her resume, she would have been in excellent shape to run for President in either 2012 or 16. Instead, she took every opportunity to could to get a media appearance.

I know that doesn’t bother some people, and again a lot of whats been said about Miss Palin isn’t fair. Regardless, she’s essentially became a member of the conservative entertainment industry. As such, she cannot be considered a serious candidate. At least, she cannot be considered a serious candidate anymore than Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh could.

WolvenOne on November 26, 2012 at 2:07 AM

However, her quitting suggested that her critics were right and that she wasn’t serious.
Illinidiva on November 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Did you ever have $500k (and climbing) in personal legal bills…….
bw222 on November 25, 2012 at 11:31 PM

You can’t tell me that wasn’t looked at in depth in 2012 and probably was THE reason she didn’t run, and will never. No one cares what her legal bills were. That route is a dead end, the cover a flop. She didn’t even complete one term and a brilliant politician would have persevered in such circumstances! You expect a blue collar worker in Peoria to say “oh right ! legal bills !” ? If it had worked she would have run in 2012. Quitting sealed her fate forever, Great Moments in American History don’t usually include quitting. (Oh right! Legal bills!)

Marcus on November 26, 2012 at 5:19 AM

re a liar and you know it.

They went through her E-mails, her garbage, camped outside her house, rented the house next door, and investigated her pregnancy AND FOUND NOTHING, which you know. Yet you lie about these things here, and try to ignore the Alaskan legal situation she was in which you also know about having been told several times by various posters.

Whatever your issue with her, it has nothing to do with facts.

sharrukin on November 26, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Umm.. I didn’t say that they found anything. However, politics isn’t bean bag and Axelrod and friends play a mean brand of Chicago gutter politics. Obama is basically only President because sealed divorce records conveniently became unsealed. Sans that Obama would still be a State Senator, part time lecturer who no one had ever heard of. If Sarah Palin wants to be President, she’ll have to learn to deal with that sort of ugliness. Considering that as President she’d have to deal with Iran and Al Qaeda and all other sorts of crazies, dealing with Axelrod is good practice. What is she going to do? Quit when the going gets tough with Al Qaeda or if Iran gets the bomb.

As I said before, we have governors like Jindal, Walker, McDonnell and Pence who have the potential to be very strong candidates. I understand that some of these people have offered self-serving criticism of Romney a little too early after the election, but that doesn’t discount them in my mind.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Apparently, Jindal and Gingrich were the two self-serving bozos who were effusively praising Romney in Ohio and then stabbed him in the back when he lost. Expect that from Gingrich, but I am shocked that apparently Jindal is a two-timing sleaze like that. I just thought that Jindal was incapable of giving speeches.

As for Walker, I cannot see him running because it is pretty clear that Ryan is testing the waters and they’re BFFs. The only way that Ryan doesn’t run is if the budget magically balances during Obama’s second term basically denying Ryan the rationale for his candidacy. However, Walker’s basically the governor version of Ryan; the rationale for his candidacy would basically be fiscal responsibility as well.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 7:30 AM

..ummmmm. Don’t dislike Jeb Bush (he’s a nice, amiable man) but this is not what I meant when I said the GOP should re-tool for 2016.

The War Planner on November 25, 2012 at 8:15 PM

+ 100..Excellent post..:)

Dire Straits on November 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM

For goodness sake, please push this down the page. Am more than weary of a few days of staring at his amnesty-loving gob every time I come here.

Midas on November 26, 2012 at 8:26 AM

If the GOP push to make another BUSH their candidate in 2016 then thay have not learned 1 d@mn thing this past election. If this turns out to be the case, it is time a new party is established to replace them.

easyt65 on November 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM

I’ve always thought Jeb was the “likeable” Bush, and I guess I do like him. Just not for president.

44Magnum on November 26, 2012 at 9:13 AM

TARP was necessary to keep the entire banking system in the U.S. from collapsing.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 12:15 AM

That’s one opinion, here is another from 2009:

…Looking back after a year, was TARP necessary? Did it work

The answers are No, and No…

Ultimately, what TARP did was to provide funds for the government to take an ownership interest in private firms. Nationalizing our financial and industrial firms is not in the public interest. The federal government now owns 80% of AIG and 61% of GM. TARP was not necessary. It didn’t work. And what it actually did was undesirable.

Fallon on November 26, 2012 at 9:18 AM

I wonder if Ann Coulter will fawn over Jeb Bush? If you took “W” and Chris Christie and mushed them together, you’d get Jeb.

Fallon on November 26, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I wonder if Ann Coulter will fawn over Jeb Bush? If you took “W” and Chris Christie and mushed them together, you’d get Jeb.
Fallon on November 26, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I love Ann Coulter. She’s very smart and honest. I am tired of people badmouthing her because she had the guts to take a stand during the primaries and because she wasn’t afraid to point out that Palin is a gimmicky candidate. It is too bad how some of you are so quick to turn on a former ally when they express different opinions than you. I may have been guilty of this myself before, I will admit.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Lets make it clear. I will not vote for another Bush. I will not, cannot vote for another Bush, but I may vote for a bush before I vote for a Bush. Got it? Good! No need to delve into other areas that are not relevant since it appears everyone else has covered it already.

Fireplug52 on November 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Here’s the problem, the left made it their mission to destroy her, and while a lot of what they said was unfair she didn’t do a very good job making it difficult for them. It’s not just the 2008 campaign either, if that was the only period of time her reputation was tarnished it wouldn’t be a problem. Eight years of time would have been plenty of time to heal those wounds.

WolvenOne on November 26, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Yes, the left did a wonderful job at tearing her apart.
What I find funny is if you look at most females that run on either side… it seems like the attacks on the women from liberals get really really bad and personal. Heck , look at what they did to Hillary.
Do I think that Palin is not CIC material? Time will tell. I do not think she was ready for the horrible things that come with a nation wide election. You can not say that she lost it for McCain, because if the VP has a lot to do with it ( which is what the left made it out to be ) then why is Biden in?

As a side note, to those that are floating Walker out there… go kindly pound sand please. I mean that. Hes ours here in WI and he is doing his best to right a ship in a bluish red state. He has done wonders so far.

watertown on November 26, 2012 at 9:49 AM

HA, please get Jebs mug of the page, please.

tommy71 on November 26, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I love Ann Coulter. She’s very smart and honest. I am tired of people badmouthing her because she had the guts to take a stand during the primaries and because she wasn’t afraid to point out that Palin is a gimmicky candidate. It is too bad how some of you are so quick to turn on a former ally when they express different opinions than you. I may have been guilty of this myself before, I will admit.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM

So Ann isn’t turning on Palin when she says Palin is “gimicky?”
Oh, I get it.

JellyToast on November 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Why Jeb when we already have a new Lord and Saviour???

All hail The Lord Baracka!!!

Someone quick in Congress make yourself useful……propose a 90 foot tall statue of Solid gold (just seize it all) of our new God the worshipful Barack Obama!!!!

PappyD61 on November 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM

As a side note, to those that are floating Walker out there… go kindly pound sand please. I mean that. Hes ours here in WI and he is doing his best to right a ship in a bluish red state. He has done wonders so far.

watertown on November 26, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I’m sensing you’re not up for a Quinn-Walker trade? How about Cutler-Rodgers? Yeah, both have a little head damage but… So ?

Fallon on November 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM

As a side note, to those that are floating Walker out there… go kindly pound sand please. I mean that. Hes ours here in WI and he is doing his best to right a ship in a bluish red state. He has done wonders so far.

watertown on November 26, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on November 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Hispanics, women and blacks will not vote for Bush in sufficient numbers and his family ties are currently a big negative, so I am not sure why Jeb, Clinton or anyone else is talking about this, except to use up air-time.

I will admit that Jeb seems to be a popular politician and competent executive, but as we know, that is not important here.

virgo on November 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM

JellyToast on November 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Just let it flip flop in its own hypocrisy.

Fallon on November 26, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Gosh.. A Bush syncophant. Like it or not the Bush name is dirt. Obama was able to get reelected by blaming his predecessor. I don’t believe I’m saying this but just nominate Rubio already. He has advatages that Bush doesn’t have like a working class background and public speaking ability.

Illinidiva on November 25, 2012 at 2:53 PM
I don’t often agree with you, but you have a valid point, something bluegill is unable to come up with. In 2012 Barack Obama was campaigning against Bush43 as much as he was Mitt Romney.

bw222 on November 25, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Again — because everybody let him. And few — including GWB himself — would defend his record or articulate correctly what was happening in September 2008. This allowed Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) to advance the narrative that Bush “caused the recession.”

bmmg39 on November 26, 2012 at 11:05 AM

So Ann isn’t turning on Palin when she says Palin is “gimicky?”
Oh, I get it.
JellyToast on November 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Ann has repeatedly said how much she loves Palin. She also suggested that a Palin candidacy would be gimmicky. Personally liking and agreeing with someone, while not seeing them as a strong presidential candidate, is not turning on someone, no. Hope that clears things up for you.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Ditz, I’m not sure if it’s you or Nicolle Wallace that suffers greater from Palin derangement, but then again you two may be one and the same.

You’re still hashing this out with yourself, wow!

CTSherman on November 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Jeb the Hut

He needs to go on “weight watchers” and lose 50 lbs and do an add.

Other than that enough of the Bush Bull ,

Of some note , just because you cut down a few trees and ride around in a 4 X 4 Ford truck does not mean your a Texan.

Rich Oiley maybe, the kind who drive out to see the place and only roll the power window down about 3 inches so’s not to let to much air conditioning out of the truck and ask,,

“how many cows do I own now?”

like that,, enough already

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Best way to tell, shake hands with any of them, dad, any of the sons or gransons,,,,

soft hands the lot….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Lol, I see that the Palin dissing continues in this thread. Romney was a loser, but his bots still don’t get it. Trashing another conservative. How typical! PDS is alive and well. Lol, shes their bogeyman.

tommy71 on November 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

“If Sarah Palin wants to be President, she’ll have to learn to deal with that sort of ugliness. Considering that as President she’d have to deal with Iran and Al Qaeda and all other sorts of crazies, dealing with Axelrod is good practice. What is she going to do? Quit when the going gets tough with Al Qaeda or if Iran gets the bomb.”

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 7:30 AM

This right here is the stupidest thing you’ve ever written and that is something even for you.

You know the reason why she stepped down from the governor office as you’ve been told numerous times and been well documented. She was going BANKRUPT!

Her legal fees before she stepped down was over $500,000 and rising with more frivolous ethics complaints to come. She was in a job paying her $125,000. She and her husband had taken out a loan on their commercial fishing business to cover her legal fees. You know all of these.

She didn’t step down because she couldn’t handle the fight. You name one other public figure (family) who’s put up with more crap than her and keeps coming back. You think Sarah Palin lacks fight? You think Sarah Palin couldn’t handle Axerold?

I don’t know what your problem is with Sarah Palin but it isn’t with her intellect, policies, courage or anything of substance for that matter. But whatever it is, you need serious help.

HerneTheHunter on November 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

I don’t see the point in Palin-trashing, Bush-trashing, or Romney-trashing. Nothing is delighting the left more right now than seeing conservatives skewering one another and fighting amongst themselves.

bmmg39 on November 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Marcus on November 26, 2012 at 5:19 AM

Thank God we have President Romney then. Oh wait.

HerneTheHunter on November 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I understand. “Mr. Electable” just lost, you’ve been humiliated, so this is the distraction.

But God, you’re boring.

rrpjr on November 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

All you whiny losers on this site need to get a life. No politician is going to “save” us. Especially another Bush. Vote for a repub or a demonrat, both are losers.

johnny reb on November 26, 2012 at 12:38 PM

if you had to give odds right this minute, the likeliest presidential match-up four years from now would be a second Bush/Clinton election.

The same geniuses swore that it would be Clinton-Palin for 2012.

So, it’s not like you know what you are talking about.

Moesart on November 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM

HerneTheHunter on November 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

You are a joke..:)

Dire Straits on November 26, 2012 at 1:01 PM

HA, please get Jeb’s mug off the page, please.

tommy71 on November 26, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Allah’s really rubbing our noses in Jeb’s visage, isn’t he?

Fallon on November 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Dire Straits on November 26, 2012 at 1.01 PM

No sir, you are the joke. You and your kind who despite and contrary to all reason thought that foistering Romney on conservative was a good idea. Who that trading principles and ideology for phantom “electability ” was a winning argument.

HerneTheHunter on November 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

HerneTheHunter on November 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Let me do this s-l-o-w-l-y..Romney ran for the GOP nomination and WON the primary..Since he was the GOP nominee I supported him..:)

PS..I or none of the other folks that voted for him “forced” him on you..:)

PS..Romney was not my first choice..:)

PSS..Who did you vote for??..:)

Dire Straits on November 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Romney, after all the world was supposed to end if I didn’t, right?

HerneTheHunter on November 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM

HerneTheHunter on November 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I never said that..:)

Dire Straits on November 26, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Who told us TARP was neccessary? A bunch of sharks from Wall Street. TARP was not neccessary. It was blown out of proportion to bail out bastards like Paulson who were connected to the White House.

I don’t want to see another Bush. Hell, the whole GOP can go to hell.

Faramir on November 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Way to go Faramir @ 2:24 PM.

You’re right. The whole GOP can go to hell.

johnny reb on November 26, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Pleeassseee Nooooooo!

No more Bush, no more Clinton. Enough already. At least make it look like it isn’t a set up!

Are you saying there isn’t anyone ready to step in without the last name Bush?

Don’t get me wrong. Great family, just suffering the same mindset. Jeb was probably the least middle of the road, BUT he is huge on Latin America.

Enough.

Let’s try someone new.

archer52 on November 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM

The GOP was called a bunch of old white guys stuck in the past after this election loss. Trying to revive the ‘good ol’ days’ with yet ANOTHER Bush in Office will only solidify that perception as FACT in DNC & Independent minds!

I am also NOT in favor of reviving another ‘Dynasty’! I am sick of rich millionaires being pushed up for office. The Founding Fathers believed serving in our government was supposed to be like Jury Duty – be called up, do your part, then return home to your business. It was never meant to become a ‘CAREER’. Quite frankly, I could take a hobo off the street, put him in a 300-dollar suit, replace harry Reid with this guy, & no one would notice — nothing would STILL NOT GET DONE!

Instead of looking for the next ‘Great White Hope’ or re-establishing a dynasty, the GOP SHOULD focus partly on:

1) Fully identifying the corruption & election fraud that OBVIOUSLY went on, potentially costing them the election…

2) How to STOP the Campaign Finance CRIMES committed by Barak Obama’s campaign, not once but TWICE – in BOTH 2008 & 2012. 60% of the donations collected on Obama.com (a site run by an Obama donor in China) was illegal un-secured credit card donations from overseas, to the tune of hundreds of millions! Obama got caught in 2008, promised to pay the money back, never did, & faced no penalties. Obama was caught again this last election & nothing will happen again!

3) How to defeat 1/2 the country – and growing – voting themselves free money & stuff. IMO, they can’t…unless they offer the ‘free-loaders’ even MORE free money &/or free stuff.

Benjamin Franklin said ‘When a people learn they can vote themselves free money they usher in the end of the republic’. He just described what happened in this past election…we have just lived to see the ushering in of the end of our nation.

easyt65 on November 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Another issue the GOP must (or should) try to tackle is the continued & Escalating Politics of Personal destruction seemingly perfected by Liberals.

Women came crawling out of the woodwork with claims of sexual harrassment & affairs right up to the moment 1 GOP candidate withdrew…and then they disappeared. This Presidential race was the dirties & most lie-filled EVER in our history Even this President lied about Romney, claiming he (helped) kill one woman … without any accountability. He even went on ’60 Minutes’ and admitted he had/was/& would continue lying, explaining ‘That’s politics’!

With such a complete ‘ownership’ of a complicit media, the DNC can & has gotten away with most egrigious lies, deceit, & scnadal. (I guess this would be # 4 & the media would be #5).

Once you get THOSE figured out & can overcome then, then and only then will picking a candidate matter!

easyt65 on November 26, 2012 at 3:14 PM

The GOP is done. They can’t out demonrat the demonrats. They don’t have the spine nor the will to fight for what is right. Look at how the repub senators are starting to back away from their pledge on taxes. Wait and see how much they cave on the upcoming “solutions” to the nation’s problems. What noone seems to want to admit, is all these politicians ARE the problem.

johnny reb on November 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM

The GOP is done.

I agree. Stagnant, worn out, elitist leadership who envy the dems success and popularity, might just as well come out of the closet and declare themselves members of the donkey party. More in common with them than many grass-roots Republican conservatives.

I doubt the GOP at the rate its going survives to 2016.

hawkeye54 on November 26, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Umm.. I didn’t say that they found anything. However, politics isn’t bean bag and Axelrod and friends play a mean brand of Chicago gutter politics. Obama is basically only President because sealed divorce records conveniently became unsealed. Sans that Obama would still be a State Senator, part time lecturer who no one had ever heard of. If Sarah Palin wants to be President, she’ll have to learn to deal with that sort of ugliness.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Of course Paul Ryan, as we all know, wants to kill grandma and ban contraceptives. Whereas Rubio believes the universe was created in six literal days. I mean, we can play the “damaged goods” game with anyone.

Ryan was a net nothing to Romney; Palin gave McCain the only real lead he had against Obama. Simple as that. Ryan and Rubio are far more popular with the punditocracy than they are among the real live grassroots types. Neither of them will ever be elected president. The outcome would be similar to the last two presidential elections.

ddrintn on November 26, 2012 at 7:34 PM

The same geniuses swore that it would be Clinton-Palin for 2012.

So, it’s not like you know what you are talking about.

Moesart on November 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Well, they’re outdone by all you geniuses who swore that Mr Electable was a cinch. It’s not like you dipshits are to be consulted for advice on “electability”.

ddrintn on November 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM

No more so-called moderates.

TQM38a on November 26, 2012 at 7:58 PM

In a land of 300,000,000 people we can only find one family to go back to. If he were the greatest still NO! This is a country with out royalty. Yet.

BullShooterAsInElk on November 26, 2012 at 8:12 PM

4 comments to go until 666 is reached…

ahlaphus on November 26, 2012 at 8:13 PM

3 comments to go until 666 is reached…

ahlaphus on November 26, 2012 at 8:14 PM

2 comments to go until 666 is reached…

ahlaphus on November 26, 2012 at 8:14 PM

2 comments (uncluding this one) until 666 is reached…

ahlaphus on November 26, 2012 at 8:15 PM

666! That one is for you Bush.

ahlaphus on November 26, 2012 at 8:16 PM

ddrintn on November 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Loser Romney’s one gift to us is the death of the “electability” argument in its current self-serving and pedagogic form. No more. I think we’ll see an effort to revive it in 2016 but it won’t fly.

I doubt the GOP at the rate its going survives to 2016.

hawkeye54 on November 26, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Yes. But I’ll offer a prediction because, well, why not — they’re fun. I think the 2016 race will come down to Rubio vs. Palin. The elite establishment will obviously get behind Rubio and, for one thing, tout his appeal to Hispanics. This will be their pathetic imitation of the Left, and their last gasp. Palin will actually run as a non-GOP republican, evoking the great traditions of the party — not so much an aggressive, Perot-like, in-your-face outsider campaign that “refudiates” the Establishment but more as a reformation candidate that promises to restore original purpose and principles. It will be like a third-party candidacy from within the Republican party; she’ll save them by subverting them. I also think she’ll end up polling better with Hispanics than Rubio.

rrpjr on November 26, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Cuz voting for Republicans is TOTALLY like voting for Democrats, amiright?

sharrukin on November 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM

What is it that you don’t understand about the use of “amiright”? Because voting for Republicans ISN’T like voting for Democrats. Only insane hacks can’t tell the difference. Yeah, I get it – you don’t think either party is “good enough”. Well, you might as well be some time traveler from 1930s Japan and claim that both parties are the same because neither worship the Emperor. Stop lying to yourself about the parties being one and the same. Only a fool can’t tell see numerous stark differences.

CanofSand on November 26, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I wish that some of you Sarah Palin fanatics would ….

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Irony

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 26, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The best thing for Palin to do was stick it out and be an effective governor. This would have shown her critics she wasn’t stupid. She could have generated a whole platform around populist Republicanism, similar to Pawlentry’s Sam’s Club pitch. However, her quitting suggested that her critics were right and that she wasn’t serious.
Illinidiva on November 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Agree 100%.

bluegill on November 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

100% BS. You have your narrative, facts be damned. And the fact that it just happens to be the narrative of Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) doesn’t bother you at all.

Mitt Romney and John McCain both tried to be “My favorite Republican” and watched Barack Obama walk away with two elections. You can’t try to appease the media with your moderate-for-a-Republican issues and hope for fair treatment. You have to start with the understanding that the media is against you, and is willing to do anything to see the Democrat win. And every day, with that firmly in your mind, figure out how to overcome it.

For Palin to “stick it out” would have been to her advantage, but it was not fair to the state of Alaska. She couldn’t do her job because she was always tied up in the latest lawsuit. She couldn’t afford to pay for her legal defense, but the state of Alaska was bound by law to not pay for it. And she couldn’t even set up a legal defense fund that people could contribute to, because it ran afoul of their interpretation of being “personally advantaged” by the office of governor.

People who actually care to learn about what happened with Palin know all this. Her critics cheerfully ignore it, and assume she just “quit.”

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 26, 2012 at 9:05 PM

People who actually care to learn about what happened with Palin know all this. Her critics cheerfully ignore it, and assume she just “quit.”
There Goes The Neighborhood on November 26, 2012 at 9:05 PM

It is true that I don’t know all of the details surrounding her decision to quit. I will say that I listened to her resignation speech, and felt confused by the end of it. One reason why I feel quick to dismiss rationalizations for her quitting is that it seems like we hear excuse after excuse from her worshipers. So, eventually they lose credibility. For example: She bombed in the network TV interviews because of sneaky editing and gotcha questions. Palin was sabotaged on purpose by the McCain campaign. She didn’t run in 2012 because Rick Perry broke some kind of secret deal they had. And so on. There may be kernels of truth in several of these excuses, but according to people like you Palin never does anything wrong and she is often some kind of victim.

What you say about Romney trying to appease the media is silly and out of place here. Romney ran as one of the most conservative candidates in decades. And least Romney was able to face the left wing media and do live TV appearances and answer tough questions. Same goes for Paul Ryan. Palin hides from and runs from challenging interview situations. Sure, she posts on Facebook every now and then and pops up for a minute here and there on Hannity, but that is about it. What is she afraid of? Do you ever see Newt Gingrich or Michele Bachmann afraid to face their critics head-on?

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 10:51 PM

ddrintn on November 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Well, Romney got more votes and a greater percentage of the total vote than Palin did. So, if Romney is such a horrible loser, then what does that make Palin?

And just because Romney didn’t win, it doesn’t mean that Newt Gingrich or Santorum wouldn’t have done far worse.

So, yes, it would be idiotic to nominate someone we know will lose in 2016 just because it would make us feel good about ourselves. You can disagree about what makes someone electable, but to suggest that the “electability” argument should never be considered is pure stupidity. Also, some of you Palin fanatics don’t seem to understand that considering someone more electable than others in a group is not saying that that person is guaranteed to win.

In conclusion, let me reiterate that Sarah Palin, the unelectable, gimmicky, unqualified candidate should not be seriously considered. Let’s set our standards a little higher than that, okay?

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 11:02 PM

let me reiterate that Sarah Palin, the unelectable, gimmicky, unqualified candidate should not be seriously considered.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 11:02 PM

That’s nice. Your opinion matters to us. Please continue to hold.

alwaysfiredup on November 26, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Of course Paul Ryan, as we all know, wants to kill grandma and ban contraceptives.

Yes.. That didn’t work out well for the Ds.. i.e. I haven’t seen anyone blaming Ryan and his Medicare plan for the Rs defeat. Ryan has gotten off pretty scot free from blame while everyone is yelling at Mitt Romney. You’d think someone like Jindal who would like to be President would focus on the guy more likely to run for President than Mitt Romney. Of course, playing Mediscare wouldn’t work for the Rs, especially someone like Bobby Jindal who is trying to position himself in the grown-up in the race. It’s considered to important and cool to be demagoguing Medicare now because Ryan really gaged the mood of the country and treated people like grown-ups.

As for the contraceptive issue, that’s Santorum, not Ryan. Other than pointing out that he wants the Catholic Church to be able to follow their beliefs, Ryan did this awesome thing called keeping his mouth shut on social issues. They tried to demagogue him on abortion, not contraceptives.

. Whereas Rubio believes the universe was created in six literal days

Rubio wasn’t ready for prime-time this year. This is why he wasn’t the VP nominee. Rubio didn’t actually say that the world was created in six days; he gave a rambling politician answer trying to make everyone happy. Lucky for him, he has four years to fix that.

Ryan was a net nothing to Romney

Electorally, Ryan wasn’t a net negative like Palin ended up, and he did do some things good things for the Romney campaign. He spent most of September after the 47% comments trying to assuage the conservative pundits fears and probably got it to a place where Romney could win the Red Debate. He did inject some energy into the campaign. It’s clear that Romney actually enjoyed Ryan’s company (weird father-son vibe) and it helped Romney become a better candidate. Palin gave McCain a temporary bump, but she screwed the campaign with her inability to answer simple questions.

Simple as that. Ryan and Rubio are far more popular with the punditocracy than they are among the real live grassroots types. Neither of them will ever be elected president. The outcome would be similar to the last two

Yes.. Let’s not nominate one of 40-something Reagan babies to be President and show the “new” Republican party. Let’s nominate Jeb Bush or Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich. There’s an election for you.

Illinidiva on November 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Electorally, Ryan wasn’t a net negative like Palin ended up, and he did do some things good things for the Romney campaign. He spent most of September after the 47% comments trying to assuage the conservative pundits fears and probably got it to a place where Romney could win the Red Debate. He did inject some energy into the campaign. It’s clear that Romney actually enjoyed Ryan’s company (weird father-son vibe) and it helped Romney become a better candidate. Palin gave McCain a temporary bump, but she screwed the campaign with her inability to answer simple questions.

Illinidiva on November 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Very well put. I am a huge fan of Paul Ryan and would love to see him run in 2016.

bluegill on November 27, 2012 at 12:26 AM

People who actually care to learn about what happened with Palin know all this. Her critics cheerfully ignore it, and assume she just “quit.”
There Goes The Neighborhood on November 26, 2012 at 9:05 PM

It is true that I don’t know all of the details surrounding her decision to quit. I will say that I listened to her resignation speech, and felt confused by the end of it. One reason why I feel quick to dismiss rationalizations for her quitting is that it seems like we hear excuse after excuse from her worshipers. So, eventually they lose credibility. For example: She bombed in the network TV interviews because of sneaky editing and gotcha questions. Palin was sabotaged on purpose by the McCain campaign. She didn’t run in 2012 because Rick Perry broke some kind of secret deal they had. And so on. There may be kernels of truth in several of these excuses, but according to people like you Palin never does anything wrong and she is often some kind of victim.

Yes, this all just reeks of truthiness. “I don’t know any important details about why she did what she did, but it doesn’t matter, because I know she’s an ignorant air-headed ditz who didn’t name anything she read, because she never reads anything!”

Jon Stewart would be proud.

Honestly, it’s about like trying to explain to a Kos kid that no, Bush didn’t lie about WMDs in Iraq. No matter how much you point to evidence that the assessment of Iraq was the best analysis of our intelligence community and those of other nations, and point to Democrats who also agreed with the assessment, the leftist just knows that Bush was an evil liar, and therefore you must be wrong.

Honestly, if you can’t grasp that the media saw Palin as an existential threat to Obama and were determined to make her look like an idiot, then you’re blind to the nature of the media. They were all in for Obama. They were fine with McCain running against Obama, because they knew he was going to lose. He nominates Palin as his VP, and suddenly all they can talk about is how she’s not “qualified” to be president, when she had the best qualifications of any of the four in 2008.

After 2008 and 2012, it should be obvious that the only reason the media ever fails to loathe and want to destroy a Republican is when they look at him and think, “harmless.”

What you say about Romney trying to appease the media is silly and out of place here. Romney ran as one of the most conservative candidates in decades.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Wow. Nothing I can say to answer that. I think I’ll just point and laugh.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 27, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I think I’ll just point and laugh.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 27, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Yes, a laugh is what these losers’ verbal flatulence demands. In the wake of their ignominy, it’s exactly right. No matter — they’re finished. Their days of lecturing about electability and anyone listening are over.

rrpjr on November 27, 2012 at 1:23 AM

By the way, I am in no way saying that all Sarah Palin fans are dumb.

bluegill on November 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Except that you just did…you can’t have it both ways Jack. I’d support Palin if she ran again but as you (and others) have pointed out she needs to engage & fight not simply hide behind Sean Hannity on FNC and while I like her Facebook posts and her decent speeches she needs to fight it out with liberals either by running for office again (another shot at Governor wouldn’t hurt now that the law has been amended) or fighting it out on news shows a la Paul Ryan.

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2012 at 12:23 AM

“bluegill” is more than likely either a female who looks in the
mirror and shrieks (jealous of Palin’s good looks) or a boy who
couldn’t get a date to the prom. Either/or, he/she always bashes
Palin. The bashing of Palin starts on any thread that mentions
her. Its like there is an alarm on their computer that goes off
when Palin’s name is mentioned. He/she never has their facts correct either. No matter how many times he/she is corrected on
this site (and probably others). I usually scroll past Bluegill’s
postings without reading.

However, today I stopped and read yours. Scuttlebutt elsewhere
is that Palin may run for McCain’s senate seat in
Arizona. She has a home there and spends a good deal of time
in the state. I must say she has been very quiet lately.
I was very disappointed she wasn’t more involved in the 2012
election process. My opinion is that Romney made a huge mistake
not utilizing her talents in his election campaign. Many were
outraged that the first repub vp candidate was not given a prominent speaking role at the convention. I believe Romney
lost the election due to massive voter fraud, however, also believe
other factors contributed, and dissing Palin and the Tea Party was a huge error.

Amjean on November 27, 2012 at 6:37 AM

Amjean on November 27, 2012 at 6:37 AM

No one dissed Palin. Give me a break. Palin herself said that she was happy to pass on the speaking role baton to other people at this year’s convention. But if you want to talk about nastiness, just look how Sarah Palin treated Romney from the moment of his campaign launch to well after it was already clear that he would be the nominee. Her whole thing was to promote division within the Republican and conservative ranks.

bluegill on November 27, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Sarah Palin is going to do what is best for Sarah Palin.. i.e. what makes her money. Don’t see how she is different from Christie.

Illinidiva on November 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM

bluegill on November 27, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Your posts are neat little advertisements of bad thinking driven by bad faith: you begin with hypothesis and end with antithesis with no process of synthesis. “No one dissed Palin”… “her whole thing was to promote division…” — preposterous and conflicting assertions bridged by gas.

rrpjr on November 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Oh jeez! We’ve LOST two POTUS elections by running GOP insiders and now we think it is a good idea to do so again?

How about we run an actual Conservative this time, one that doesn’t have to be taught conservative ideology, one with a record of CONSERVATIVE Accomplishments, and one who refuses to pander to the comminists on the left? Isn’t it past time to do something different, or should we give the election to the democrats for a third term?

DannoJyd on November 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Palin couldn’t actually deal with that amount of scrutiny. When faced by that, she just quits.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2012 at 12:15 AM

WOW. Good try on something you just can’t understand.

MSM, Romney GOPers, AK RINOs and corrupt GOP and Dems, and Obama tacticians were secretly conniving to destroy Palin. Said corrupt media, politicians, bloggers and AK useful idiot citizens ensured that Palin would never have had a chance for a good governance. Walker’s case is different because of different state laws. No one would ever survive that kind of villainous hate campaign.

That bankrupted Palin.

PALIN JUST DIDN’T QUIT.

It’s only 2012 and you, guys, are trying to revise the history for your own political objectives. That’s satanic you know.

No wonder why America is in its current state. It’s nothing more but the Home of Liars, both R & D !

TheAlamos on November 28, 2012 at 1:17 PM

They should put a Palin thread. HA needs the hits.

It’s really hard to get behind HA’s agitprop while the caving continues. Why fight the fight while the corner(Rs) is throwing in the towel?

Anyway, on Palin, here’s another take.

If Palin doesn’t get back in the ring then she may have inadvertently caused more harm then good. A lot of grass roots energy went her way and was channelled…where? We might have been better off coalescing behind a Daniels type, who is low on charisma ,solid on principle but still in the fight. Palin, by not being clear in intention, creates an expectation that is sapping energy from the grassroot.

I’m not saying that this was/is intentional. I wouldn’t know…but she , though she was big net positive for the last…..
wait OMG …I forgot to by a ticket for the powerball!!!!!!!!!!SHT! that was going to be my escape hatch!!!!…..forget it, I don’t feel like finishing this post.

BoxHead1 on November 28, 2012 at 5:41 PM

11 more for 700. It’s almost off the page but I believe in miracles!

BoxHead1 on November 28, 2012 at 5:44 PM

OK, it’ll have to be 690 then. THe powerball came and went and I didn’t play. Plan B is some bunker cult in the south west. I’ll need to earn thier trust first. And I’ll have to bring something to the table. Unfortunately my good looks won’t do me any good when the shite hits the fan. Let’s think, what can I offer a bunker cult in the economic post apocalypse?

BoxHead1 on November 29, 2012 at 12:17 AM

So I see most have not seen what happened. Romney, as weak as he was had it all wrapped up until he started the reach across the aisle stuff. The republican elites were more interested in killing off the tea party and candidates, then they were in winning. The republican elites are more interested in power and their back pockets, then they are the country. When the tea party sprung up, people like John McCain began trying to kill the movement. We have 100 elected Senators, of which very damn few are in it for country. Just sit back and watch as they (leaders) drag us ever closer to the left point of view. I see Boehner already is kissing Barack’s back side. It’s way passed time for a conservative party and the losing ways of the Republicrats. You see the way Sarah is berated here and the blame put on other conservative candidates, how deep the “elitism” goes. Until we jettison the Republicrats were screwed.

jainphx on November 29, 2012 at 12:07 PM

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