Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on November 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

Romney wasn’t the problem.

To the extent Republicans have a problem with their candidates, it’s not that they’re not conservative enough. Where are today’s Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

Having vanquished liberal Republicans, the party’s problem now runs more along the lines of moron showoffs, trying to impress tea partiers like Jenny Beth Martin by taking insane positions on rape exceptions for abortion — as 2 million babies are killed every year from pregnancies having nothing to do with rape.

Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980. At least one of those won’t be true next time. But we’re not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn’t conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough.

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The vast majority of those in the American middle class haven’t lost their jobs and probably don’t expect to lose them. Their economic concerns revolve around being and feeling poorer than they were and felt in 2007, being or feeling trapped in a house worth less than it was, and being or feeling trapped in a job that pays less than they thought it would by now—and in all these cases, prospects are for extraordinarily modest improvement at best.

To such people Romney had nothing to say; he stuck instead to those generalities about America being a nation of entrepreneurship that celebrates success and rewards hard work and dreaming. That’s all well and good, but many people work hard without dreaming; and it is a violation of the central conservative idea of the dignity of the individual to confuse the idea of “success” in life with purely financial success as a result of risk-taking.

Thus did the flight from content create a fatal problem for Romney. He may have thought his lack of specificity would lend him more appeal, but in the end, it made him less appealing because he offered nothing but words. The exit-poll question he lost most definitively to Obama was about which of them “cares about the problems of people like me.” Obama won it by a staggering 81–17. There was some moaning in conservative circles that this indicated a dreadful decline for America, its final Oprah-ization. That is a terrible misunderstanding. Of course politicians should “care about the problems of people like me.” The “problems of people like me” are the root of all policy. Otherwise being a politician is nothing but regulation and management.

You cannot beat something with nothing. Obama had a record that was less than nothing but a machine and an approach to victory that were more than enough to add up to something. Romney, in the end, had nothing but Obama’s nothing.

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It is also worth noting that in states that were not considered battleground territory, Mr. Obama could still have won without a majority of the Hispanic vote. In California, Mr. Obama took the state’s 55 electoral votes with 72 percent of the Hispanic vote, but could have won with as little as 25 percent. And in Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes), where Mr. Obama received an estimated 80 percent of the Hispanic vote, he could have still carried the state with just over 37 percent.

With these five swing states, along with the safe Democratic states that Mr. Obama should have carried regardless of the Hispanic vote, the president would have reached 283 electoral votes, winning the Electoral College without needing to win a majority of the Hispanic vote in each state…

In New Mexico, Florida, Nevada and Colorado, slightly higher shares (but still less than a majority) of the Hispanic vote could have swung them to Mr. Romney, and this may well put these states in play in the next election if the Republican candidate and platform have broader appeal among Hispanic voters.

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Low-information voters trend younger and are more likely to be unmarried. They typically remain at least nominally ‘undecided’ until the bitter end, and generally do not read or watch extensive political or news coverage. They may care about economic issues in theory, but the tax rate doesn’t impact their day-to-day existence.

This means that campaigns must develop clear, concise, and punchy messaging, and find a way to integrate it into these voters’ daily lives.

Democrats – Barack Obama in particular – go after these voters with gusto. The 2008 Obama campaign broke ground by advertising on Xbox video games, prompting thousands of stoners to get off the couch and out to the polls. In 2012, when young women visited a beauty blog, they were likely greeted with video ads of Eva Longoria or Scarlett Johansson telling them Obama was fabulous. And lest we forget the infamous ad where Girls star Lena Dunham invited her fellow young women to make their “first time” special with Barack Obama.

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Yet aside from the folksy Reagan of humble beginnings, and these two isolated successes, no other Republican candidate has managed successfully to play the populist card, as someone who did not just pander to but actually liked the working classes. George H. W. Bush’s reelection campaign of 1992 was sabotaged by the cranky, animated populist, Ross Perot. The latter far better appealed to the third-party antecedents of the Tea Party…

Romney should have waded into blue states, especially low-income and minority areas—not because he had a real chance of winning a California, New York, or Illinois, but because he could use such occasions to remind all Americans, especially independents and conservative Democrats in swing states, that his agenda was aimed at getting the underclass jobs, empowering the lower middle classes, and giving all Americans more freedom of choice. The Romney economic message should have been aimed not just at job creators but at job seekers: smaller government, he should have argued forcefully, ensures that more people will be hired in the private sector…

Romney might have agreed to higher income tax rates not, like Obama, on those who make over $250,000, but instead on the real millionaires who make over a $1 million—and who statistically are more likely to be Obama supporters. How odd to hear Romney damned for supporting lower taxes for the 1 percent—by the 1 percent of Hollywood film stars, attorneys, and media superstars. He also could have opposed tax breaks for the very wealthy, like elite politicized foundations, and ended government subsidies for large wealthy agribusiness concerns…

Republicans will fail if they allow Democrats to promote the myth that their present alliance of the very wealthy and the poor is somehow more populist than empowering the middle and upper-middle classes. To become the true populists in our media-driven, electronically wired culture and to counter the Democrats’ art of class warfare, Republicans must not just argue for free-market solutions that help the hard-pressed middle, but they should look and talk—if not live—like them too.

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The politics of entitlement reform may be debatable, but the math is not. The aging of the population and rising health care costs are together triggering explosive growth in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. If left unchecked, these programs will place a crushing burden on federal taxpayers, cripple states and stifle economic growth.

It isn’t moral to impose these problems on future generations. It isn’t right to cede ground to liberals and allow ever higher taxes to chase ever higher spending, while government takes on an increasingly intrusive role in people’s lives.

Conservatives cannot live in a bubble. We’re never going to realize a federal government with powers truly limited to those narrowly enumerated in the U.S. Constitution. But even if a reaffirmation of principles doesn’t entail advocating utopian political positions — such as scrapping the entire welfare state — conservatives shouldn’t allow their core beliefs be dictated by what may or may not improve the short-term prospects for Republicans. Conservatism is not a political strategy.

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First!

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Happy

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Thanksgiving

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Everyone!

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Hello. ….

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Ok this is ridiculous.

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM

To you as well, Meat Fighter!

INC on November 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Bishop!?

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Ummmm what do I say now…..

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Is this a record? No seriously.

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Is this a record? No seriously.

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM

No, there was a thread a month or two ago with a string of comment by one person. Someone here probably remembers who.

It’s not you. You’re Happy, but then a lot of us are probably Sleepy from too much turkey!

INC on November 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Conservatism is not a political strategy.

Last sentence of the quotes is the best one.

INC on November 22, 2012 at 8:11 PM

They’re all dead Dave Meat Fighter

29Victor on November 22, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Im not the type to post, but QOD appeared and it was low hanging fruit.

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:12 PM

And suddenly Meat Fighter realized that he was alone. So very, very alone.

29Victor on November 22, 2012 at 8:13 PM

They’re all dead Dave Meat Fighter29Victor on November 22, 2012 at 8:11 PM

That’s hilarious. I was actually looking online for that clip when I saw your comment.

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:14 PM

No, there was a thread a month or two ago with a string of comment by one person. Someone here probably remembers who.

It’s not you. You’re Happy, but then a lot of us are probably Sleepy from too much turkey!

INC on November 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I had 12 or 13 in a row months ago, and that was soon shattered by Bmore, iirc.

Records. They are made to be broken.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:17 PM

dems are having a great thanks giving
:(

nathor on November 22, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Meat Fighter, “Hello, is this thing on?”

davidk on November 22, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Gingrich or Perry would have won that election because they would have run against Obama. They would have called him out on his policies. Newt would have exposed Obama as the socialist he is. Romney is too new to the conservative philosophy. He does not speak it, think it or have a history of it. If all of the conservatives would have voted, we would have a different future.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on November 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Hello all.

What’s this “first” thing that goes on here at HotAir?

:)

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on November 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Take note of who is being linked to in the first paragraph of “Quotes.” It’s none other than Ann Kathleen-Parker Coulter.

Grain of salt and all that.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

To the extent Republicans have a problem with their candidates, it’s not that they’re not conservative enough. Where are today’s Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

Delusional. These people haven’t “gone the way of leprosy,” they’ve graduated to control the entire party from top to bottom and are essentially a majority within the ranks of elected Republican officials.

More butt-covering by the people who lost the election in 2008 and again in 2012, trying to pretend as though Romney was some sort of mouth-breathing social conservative extremist, when in reality he was picked specifically on electability as the “antidote” to such “right wing extremism.”

At least one of those won’t be true next time. But we’re not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn’t conservative enough,

And yet interestingly enough, in 2004 after the Clintonian “moderates” blew a winnable election, the Democrats swung hard to the left, found a rock star candidate to articulate their positions, and won decisively.

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Is Meat Fighter involved in the War on Bacon?

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Gingrich or Perry would have won that election because they would have run against Obama. They would have called him out on his policies. Newt would have exposed Obama as the socialist he is. Romney is too new to the conservative philosophy. He does not speak it, think it or have a history of it. If all of the conservatives would have voted, we would have a different future.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on November 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

step out of the bubble, voters prefer big socialist government to what ever conservatives are offering.
you cannot win with a radical “little government” agenda. you have to charismatic moderates that dont pander too much in the primaries.
I think hunstman would have been the best challenge to the president…

nathor on November 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Gingrich or Perry would have won that election because they would have run against Obama.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on November 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

No, they wouldn’t have.

There were as many Anybody but Perry/Gringrich nutballs as there were ABR nutballs. Romney was the most acceptable to the middle and he couldn’t motivate them enough to overcome the alliance between the tru-cons and the moochers.

cozmo on November 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Insane positions? That’s offensive.

Othniel on November 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Meat Fighter on November 22, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Maybe your multiple posts will push this thread over 200 before the morning crew arrives…
/

OmahaConservative on November 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

All the polls say that the people voted heavily for the turkey today. *much to the chagrin of turkeys*

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Until we realize a successful strategy to counter the dominance of liberal thought in popular culture and the overwhelming leftist bent of the majority of mainstream media outlets, we are doomed to be the “also-ran” party, except on the occasions when the Dems ignore the majority to the point that they did leading up to the 2010 backlash.

hillbillyjim on November 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The 2008 Obama campaign broke ground by advertising on Xbox video games, prompting thousands of stoners to get off the couch and out to the polls.

Yes, I get all of my up-to-date election information from video games. But for some reason, I couldn’t find my candidate, Cloud Strife, anywhere on the ballot.

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Hope y’all had a good T-day. Had a lot of food and fun (and drinks) with family. It just ended a little bit ago, and now I’m wondering if I should be out shopping somewhere.

I take it that this QOTD is more on how Romney wasn’t conservative enough; it wasn’t his fault; etc. (I didn’t read any of it.)

For those who say he was too “moderate”, I’d offer this: Would a more “conservative” candidate have won the same share of centrists/independents?

My view is (firmly) that Obama was re-elected by folks who see the government as their daddy. (Nothing will change this opinion.)

All hail! the new MEDIOCRE America. But, rest assured, you’ll continue to have the rich to admire.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

All the polls say that the people voted heavily for the turkey today. *much to the chagrin of turkeys*

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

As a conservative, I had to vote for my principles: Ham.

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

All hail! the new MEDIOCRE America. But, rest assured, you’ll continue to have the rich to admire.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

From afar, of course.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

RINO

cozmo on November 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I didn’t read it – but here it is AGAIN.

The “Don’t Focus on how Obama’s DESTROYING American here and Abraod – Focus on TEARING APART the GOP and The Conservative Base” Post by Allahpundit.

How much does he get paid to be this counterproductive?

williamg on November 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Obama is a turkey stuffed with Benghazi.

profitsbeard on November 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

His message was too vague, and he was out-campaigned by the opposition, especially on TV. That’s the fault of his team of handlers, imo.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Take note of who is being linked to in the first paragraph of “Quotes.” It’s none other than Ann Kathleen-Parker Coulter.

Grain of salt and all that.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I’d missed that. The same person that did her best to sabotage Romney during the primaries? The same person that said her candidate, Christie, was the only one who could espouse true conservative principles? The same person that I stopped reading months ago?

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Hello all.

What’s this “first” thing that goes on here at HotAir?

:)

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 8:24 PM

It used to be discouraged. It must be part of the fundamental transformation of America Hot Air..

Curtiss on November 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

As a conservative, I had to vote for my principles: Ham.

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I knew it! You’re a Hammunist!

*damned hammies*

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Is Meat Fighter involved in the War on Bacon?

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

:)

INC on November 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Conservatives cannot live in a bubble. We’re never going to realize a federal government with powers truly limited to those narrowly enumerated in the U.S. Constitution.

True talk!

Unfortunately this will always fall on deaf ears. The GOP will need to lose at least two more presidential elections before they break out of their extremist bubble.

HotAirLib on November 22, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I’d missed that. The same person that did her best to sabotage Romney during the primaries? The same person that said her candidate, Christie, was the only one who could espouse true conservative principles? The same person that I stopped reading months ago?

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

The same person who then switched to Romney as the savior of conservatism?

One and the same. I used to read her column every week without fail. No more. Haven’t bothered for the last few months.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM

cozmo on November 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I stand by my founding-father Hammist principles. After all, Benjamin Franklin wanted to make the Turkey the national bird (I guess he forsaw President Choom being re-elected).

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM

For those who say he was too “moderate”, I’d offer this: Would a more “conservative” candidate have won the same share of centrists/independents?

My view is (firmly) that Obama was re-elected by folks who see the government as their daddy. (Nothing will change this opinion.)

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

The latter is true.

But in response to your first line, the base didn’t turn out and that killed us. There were clearly problems with the Romney candidacy back as far as March. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/us/politics/primary-turnout-could-signal-trouble-for-gop.html?pagewanted=all

We’ve run inoffensive moderates three times now – Dole, McCain, and Romney. All three lost, and Romney actually spent a good deal of time explicitly running AGAINST the base to burnish his moderate street creds. You can talk about how conservatives “can’t” win, but we won’t know that until at the very least, a Republican candidate is willing to compromise with the base emerges. The strategy of “YOU’D BETTER FALL IN LINE” didn’t work. We’ve tried it the “moderate” way for the last two decades. It’s clearly time to give someone else a try rather than the latest “next in line” party hack.

So, does moderate loathing for the base exceed their loathing of the Democrats? We’ll find out in 2016, but my guess is Jeb Bush or someone with similar views will be the candidate and will try to run even further to the left than Romney did, and lose even more convincingly as the base continues peeling off and either abandons politics or starts supporting third parties.

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

As a conservative, I had to vote for my principles: Ham.

RoadRunner on November 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

If you’re talking about Mary Katharine, she’s got my vote as well.

If you’re talking about pork, well, I’m all in with that too. Bacon, ham, sausage, shoulder, whatever….

But today some poultry shall be consumed as well.

hillbillyjim on November 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

The reason Romney didn’t connect.

I can’t believe people are still trying to sell the “It’s not his fault” line. Don’t worry. About this time four years from now we can just copy and paste with slight modification. “It’s not Christie’s fault.” “It’s not Rubio’s fault.” “It’s not Jindal’s fault.”

Dongemaharu on November 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

The GOP will need to lose at least two more presidential elections before they break out of their extremist bubble.

HotAirLib on November 22, 2012 at 8:49 PM

A majority of Americans must feel pain before they turn on their Democratic candidate.

Two election cycles you say?

You are probably right..

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Good evening Hot Air friends. I won’t be here long.

Slade73, if you’re here, feel free to ask your question.

22044 on November 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

We’re never going to realize a federal government with powers truly limited to those narrowly enumerated in the U.S. Constitution.

So now supporting the Constitution is living in “an extremist bubble?” We are in a sad state of affairs in this country if that is the case.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I had some pumpkin pie and an ABR nutball.

The nutball was just slightly more digestible than a fruitcake.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM

His message was too vague, and he was out-campaigned by the opposition, especially on TV. That’s the fault of his team of handlers, imo.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Well, perhaps you’re right.

But, my point was addressing the center/independent vote–those who, for whatever reason, did not see the huge difference between the candidates.

How about Palin? A person who spurs great dissension amongst posters, here. I like her, personally; but, there’s no way she gets as many centrist votes as Romney did.

Those who stayed home? Dunno. What’s the net difference? Dunno.

(Neither do any of the folks who say that Romney was too moderate.)

That’s my point. You can’t analyze voting statically any more than you can economics.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM

22044 on November 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I-L-L

Maui Invitational Champs. :D

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Come on you people.

Let’s face it. Romney wasn’t the problem It’s just that he wasn’t the solution either.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I-L-L

Maui Invitational Champs. :D

predator on November 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Yeah!!! :D

22044 on November 22, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Kim Strassel has a good column in WSJ’s opinionjournal.com. The last three paragraphs should wake up the Republicans. They don’t have to pander, but they must have a presence in communities of minorities. The message of growth and prosperity could certainly resonate as part of the American Dream there, too.

This is the demographic argument that is getting so much attention, and properly so. The Republican Party can hope that a future Democratic candidate won’t equal Mr. Obama’s magnetism for minority voters. But the GOP would do far better by fighting aggressively for a piece of the minority electorate.

And that, for the record, was the GOP’s real 2012 turnout disaster. Elections are about the candidate and the message, yes, but also about the ground game. Republicans right now are fretting about Mr. Romney’s failures and the party’s immigration platform—that’s fair enough. But equally important has been the party’s mind-boggling failure to institute a competitive Hispanic ground game. The GOP doesn’t campaign in those communities, doesn’t register voters there, doesn’t knock on doors. So while pre-election polling showed that Hispanics were worried about Obama policies, in the end the only campaign that these voters heard from—by email, at their door, on the phone—was the president’s.

Often missed in talk of the GOP’s “demographics problem” is that it would take relatively modest minority-voter shifts toward Republicans to return the party to a dominating force. The GOP might see that as the enormous opportunity it is, rather than a problem. The key to winning turnout is having more people to turn out in the first place.

onlineanalyst on November 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Whoops…

I-N-I

:)

22044 on November 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

And suddenly Meat Fighter realized that he was alone. So very, very alone.

29Victor on November 22, 2012 at 8:13 PM

There was no turkey for anyone else with Meat Fighter around, so they all left.

onlineanalyst on November 22, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Well, see my post here.

Again, whoever you put forward would get different votes from different “groups”. No one can say how it would have turned out if we had replaced Mr. X with Mr. Y, because it’s impossible to statically analyze it.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Macy’s Thanksgiving parade was on this morning..
I saw Woopie Goldberg’s name at the beginning of the show..

Flipped the channel.

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM

How about Palin? A person who spurs great dissension amongst posters, here. I like her, personally; but, there’s no way she gets as many centrist votes as Romney did.

That’s my point. You can’t analyze voting statically any more than you can economics.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM

No way Romney gets as many base votes as she does, so that’s kind of a wash to me.

As for the other point about analyzing voting, there was a link here from Ace that led to an analysis of how the states trended. Quite a few red states stayed red, but not as dramatically as before. It indicates that a lot of the base once again stayed home. If I read it correctly.

My belief is that we lose some of these elections because once primaries are over, the Dems cater to their base much more than the GOP. And they seem to win that way.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

RedCrow,

Everyone knows Mr. Y would mop the floor with Mr. X.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Pic of the Day: 49 Years

Resist We Much on November 22, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Pathetic! (Thanks for building-up my bile, Resist!)
(Is it wrong for me to say that I hate that man? Racist, sure–he’s a black man, and obviously I’m racist for hating him. But wrong?)

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Everyone knows Mr. Y would mop the floor with Mr. X.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

But Mr. T would pity the fool.

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I still blame the lack of a GOP GOTV effort for the loss. Right now Romney is AHEAD of McCain’s 2008 vote count by 59,863 votes and votes are still being tallied in many areas. Romney finished behind Obama by only 3.3 points. A working GOTV effort could have made the difference. McCain HAD a GOTV operation in 2008 and got less votes than Romney has without one.

This is the fault of the lack of a working GOTV effort. Precincts must have a reliable paper backup system like the Democrats did in 2008 when their electronic system melted.

crosspatch on November 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Often missed in talk of the GOP’s “demographics problem” is that it would take relatively modest minority-voter shifts toward Republicans to return the party to a dominating force. The GOP might see that as the enormous opportunity it is, rather than a problem. The key to winning turnout is having more people to turn out in the first place.

onlineanalyst on November 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

I agree with that to a degree. But we have to sell them the benefits of conservatism rather than offer them a bunch of handouts, amnesty, etc. We can’t out-gimme the dems. And we shouldn’t want to. It’s a tough job, but that’s what is needed.

And Hispanic conservatives have to take the lead in that. Black conservatives as well. They have to bring them over. White cons will have a much harder time doing so.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

ROTF (:

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Just what are they hiding?

White House declines to release images from night of Benghazi attacks
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57553090/white-house-declines-to-release-images-from-night-of-benghazi-attacks/?tag=socsh

The White House Photo Office has declined CBS News requests to release images taken of US officials during the Sept. 11 Benghazi attacks.

At a press conference on Nov. 14, 2012 President Obama stated that his Administration has provided all information regarding “what happened in Benghazi.”

“We have provided every bit of information that we have, and we will continue to provide information…,” the President told reporters, adding, “we will provide all the information that is available about what happened on that day…” and “I will put forward every bit of information that we have.”

In addition to the Benghazi images, CBS News has also requested, but not received, details concerning the president’s and his staff’s decisions during the attacks. Last year reporters were given details of the decision making, timeline and players regarding the Osama bin Laden raid as well as access to certain emails.

CBS News is also seeking drone and ground-level surveillance images and email communications and documents from the night of the Benghazi attacks. So far, none has been provided.

Galt2009 on November 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Obama played this right out of the FDR strategy handbook. Don’t think they weren’t studying that history.

Class warfare, pummel the rich, savage the successful.

Obama savaged and painted Romney to appear a Monster. Dodging taxes, gutting businesses and heartlessly murdering people to blossom his business ego. He did it easily with the help of his paid for pulpit, NPR lap dogs, and the bulk of the media.

Even with a horrendous economy, FDR won 4 terms.

Lets hope our president doesn’t get the chance to add another activist SC Justice or two and overturn the 22nd Amendment…….

Hornet on November 22, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Flipped the channel.

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Don’t blame ya. Once she’s there it’s not really a parade-parade.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:11 PM

My belief is that we lose some of these elections because once primaries are over, the Dems cater to their base much more than the GOP. And they seem to win that way.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

So…we’re done, anyway.

Everyone knows Mr. Y would mop the floor with Mr. X.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

My money’s on Mr. Pink.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 9:11 PM

My belief is that we lose some of these elections because once primaries are over, the Dems cater to their base much more than the GOP. And they seem to win that way.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

So…we’re done, anyway.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 9:11 PM

If the GOP continues to ignore the base, then yes, the GOP is done. It doesn’t mean we are. It may be a long, hard struggle back to the top. But a true constitutional third party may be the only answer.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Delusional. These people haven’t “gone the way of leprosy,” they’ve graduated to control the entire party from top to bottom and are essentially a majority within the ranks of elected Republican officials.

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

I actually wrote a long post on something something similar to this this morning and then thought, eff it, and deleted it. Oh, I know, it was in response to someone asking who “Oz” was behind the curtain… They are exactly who you think they are.

Fallon on November 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Romney was fine. Obama ran on nothing. He lied about Romney, and won. What could Romney have done?

Paul-Cincy on November 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

You cannot beat something with nothing. Obama had a record that was less than nothing but a machine and an approach to victory that were more than enough to add up to something. Romney, in the end, had nothing but Obama’s nothing.

This.

rjl1999 on November 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM

A little sumthin’ sumthin’? LOL Obviously, my editor has fallen asleep due to tryptophan.

Fallon on November 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I agree with that to a degree. But we have to sell them the benefits of conservatism rather than offer them a bunch of handouts, amnesty, etc. We can’t out-gimme the dems. And we shouldn’t want to. It’s a tough job, but that’s what is needed.

And Hispanic conservatives have to take the lead in that. Black conservatives as well. They have to bring them over. White cons will have a much harder time doing so.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

You are absolutely right, but Strassel’s point is that there was not even a presence in those minority communities with ads, voter registration, door knocking (I would even add town halls) to get that conserative message out there. Their residents were inundated with the Obysmal/Dem talking points.

onlineanalyst on November 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

1) I don’t think that the reasons why Romney lost are anywhere near as important as the consequences of his loss.

2) Moderators: Please ban the account of anyone who posts, “First”.

Johnny 100 Pesos on November 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

What could Romney have done?

Paul-Cincy on November 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Not a thing.

The voters need some more of that failed Obama prosperity before they connect the dots.

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:20 PM

McCain with an election day GOTV effort lost by 7 points. Romney without one lost by 3.3 points and is currently ahead of McCain’s final count. Orca could very well have made the difference in this election. If you call 10,000 people who haven’t voted and get a significant number of those to the polls, it makes a big difference, particularly in “down ticket” races. Mia Love lost by less than 400 votes out of 200,000 cast. A working GOTV effort might have got that seat for the Republicans.

crosspatch on November 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Romney, in the end, had nothing but Obama’s nothing.

This.

rjl1999 on November 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM

So the lying, decisive, rat-eared incumbent wins..

So I loose today..
And in due time..

My liberal neighbor looses…

I think this is called..

FORWARD

Then forward it is.

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Again, whoever you put forward would get different votes from different “groups”. No one can say how it would have turned out if we had replaced Mr. X with Mr. Y, because it’s impossible to statically analyze it.

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM

My argument basically is “We’ve tried Mr. X, or people mostly like him, several times now. Let’s give Mr. Y a shot and see what happens. It literally can’t worse than it already is.”

I still blame the lack of a GOP GOTV effort for the loss. Right now Romney is AHEAD of McCain’s 2008 vote count by 59,863 votes and votes are still being tallied in many areas. Romney finished behind Obama by only 3.3 points. A working GOTV effort could have made the difference. McCain HAD a GOTV operation in 2008 and got less votes than Romney has without one.

This is the fault of the lack of a working GOTV effort. Precincts must have a reliable paper backup system like the Democrats did in 2008 when their electronic system melted.

crosspatch on November 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Yes, this point doesn’t get emphasized enough either. McCain was able to put out a better GOTV operation on a shoestring budget. The failure of the Romney campaign to do this was inexcusable, especially with the kind of cash advantage he had, and by far the biggest “technical” problem the Republicans suffered. A really A++ GOTV game might have dragged enough of the reluctant base to the polls to drag Romney across the finish line.

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

onlineanalyst on November 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Oh I get her point. And she is right. We don’t even try. Hell, look at ’08. Palin wanted to go to Michigan and at least try. Her hubby is in a union. She felt she could speak to them. They shot it down. Maybe it would have been an abject failure. But if you’re not going to even try…

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Just what are they hiding?

Galt2009 on November 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM

That nobody of authority was there?

davidk on November 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM

crosspatch on November 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Sarah got more votes than romney. quit obsessing. the man lost.

renalin on November 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM

So the lying, decisive, rat-eared incumbent wins..

So I loose today..
And in due time..

My liberal neighbor looses…

I think this is called..

FORWARD

Then forward it is.

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Let.It.Burn.

I’m going into C-U Saturday and see if I can get a couple of decals for the rear windshields of my vehicles that say Let It Burn. Surely someone can make those.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:27 PM

McCain with an election day GOTV effort lost by 7 points. Romney without one lost by 3.3 points and is currently ahead of McCain’s final count. Orca could very well have made the difference in this election. If you call 10,000 people who haven’t voted and get a significant number of those to the polls, it makes a big difference, particularly in “down ticket” races. Mia Love lost by less than 400 votes out of 200,000 cast. A working GOTV effort might have got that seat for the Republicans.

crosspatch on November 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Might have saved Allen West’s seat, too.

I wonder where all the Romney money went if it wasn’t to the GOTV operation. I heard rumors that it was being given away to Congressional candidates. The misallocation of funds in this election really needs to be examined.

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 9:28 PM

First!

davidk on November 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Until we realize a successful strategy to counter the dominance of liberal thought in popular culture and the overwhelming leftist bent of the majority of mainstream media outlets, we are doomed to be the “also-ran” party, except on the occasions when the Dems ignore the majority to the point that they did leading up to the 2010 backlash.

hillbillyjim on November 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM

This!

He who controls the news controls what news most people get and even more importantly what news most people don’t get. Because of this most “swing voters” know a ‘reality’ that is not reality and vote accordingly.

VorDaj on November 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM

22044 on November 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

It was I who wanted to ask you a question – not slade.

I was just wondering if you live in the 22044 zip code area, or in Lake Barcroft? I lived in Lake Barcroft before all of the houses had even been finished. Before Seven Corners was built.

Solaratov on November 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Ok. I don’t have a problem with that, at all.
My whole point is dealing with those who say Romney wasn’t conservative enough, and the fact that they’re not honest in their evaluation. (I.e. Static analysis.)

(I would’a voted for Palin, Newt, Perry, Santorum, etc…My first choice (including those who didn’t run) was Ryan.)

Anyone would’a been better than Obama, but our fellow citizens disagreed. (Alas.)

RedCrow on November 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Just what are they hiding?

Galt2009 on November 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM

That nobody of authority was there?

davidk on November 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM

More like..

Four Americans had to be sacrificed for the re-election of Obama..

In the third debate about foreign policy…both Obama and Mitt agreed that the trouble in Syria should be handled without boots on the ground from the USA.

I think Obama had already experimented with this course…
And it backfired.

Electrongod on November 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Yes, this point doesn’t get emphasized enough either. McCain was able to put out a better GOTV operation on a shoestring budget. The failure of the Romney campaign to do this was inexcusable, especially with the kind of cash advantage he had, and by far the biggest “technical” problem the Republicans suffered. A really A++ GOTV game might have dragged enough of the reluctant base to the polls to drag Romney across the finish line.

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Cart before the horse, though. You have a good candidate, the GOTV effort will probably take care of itself. No GOTV effort is going to do a thing for a candidate that the conseervative base is blah about.

Now we have a Romney supporter crowing about the fact that ROmney has inched above McCain in popular vote, while ignoring the fact that McCain was running in a time of Bush fatigue, war fatigue, and economic “collapse” and to top it off the Dem nominee was the unknown, no-record Chicago Jesus. Romney, on the other hand, was the hyper-electable hero of moderate-leaning get-those- indies fetishists who was running against an incumbent who was presiding over practially zero economic growth, unemployment in the teens and rising food and fuel costs.

Statements like Coulter’s and the litany of “If Romney couldn’t win NO ONE COULD HAVE WON!!!!! AND WE’RE DOOMED BY DEMOGRAPHICS AND MOOCHERS AND TRUCON NUTBALLS!!!!” are nothing but ass-covering on the part of people who were pimping a political empty suit who was never going to win anyway.

ddrintn on November 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM

A really A++ GOTV game might have dragged enough of the reluctant base to the polls to drag Romney across the finish line.

Doomberg on November 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

One thing I noticed about GOTV was seeing Obama ads on ESPN and Big Ten Network. Didn’t see a Romney ad on either one. They may have had them, but I didn’t see ‘em. Lots of young people watch those channels.

When you’re fishing, you have to go where the fish are.

predator on November 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Sarah got more votes than romney. quit obsessing. the man lost.

renalin on November 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I don’t think that anyone here is crying in his beer. We’re just trying to figure out how to change outcomes.

One of the points that I read earlier is that after rallies, the Dems secured early ballots for their Dem supporters. Apparently, this strategy is perfectly legal.

The Dems were feeling pretty confident with their early-assured ballots.

onlineanalyst on November 22, 2012 at 9:32 PM

It was I who wanted to ask you a question – not slade.

I was just wondering if you live in the 22044 zip code area, or in Lake Barcroft? I lived in Lake Barcroft before all of the houses had even been finished. Before Seven Corners was built.

Solaratov on November 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Sorry – it was you! :)

Yes – my handle is my zip, I live in Seven Corners.

22044 on November 22, 2012 at 9:32 PM

“The exit-poll question he lost most definitively to Obama was about which of them “cares about the problems of people like me.” Obama won it by a staggering 81–17.”

Oblahblah didn’t run on his record…

… He ran a campaign of negative ads, and spent millions on the “Pop Culture” vote.

He also had (has) the media on there knee pads and in his pocket…

… Combine that with extensive data gathering software and the union money to physically pull people out of their houses and drive them to the polls, you are facing an entrenched political party that has found the lowest common denominator to win elections.

Now they are in control of Billions if not Trillions of dollars that will be spent solidifying their position…

… Now Oblahblah is free to implement his true ideology through Executive Orders, and as long as the ‘press’ and ‘pop culture’ says it’s cool, it will be kewl!

All of these political elite ruling class consultants who still get paid even when they loose don’t realize the game has truly changed…

… Our last hope to save this Country is to realize this, and aim for the 2014 midterms.

Seven Percent Solution on November 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM

No, Sarah didn’t get more votes than Romney. As of today the count is:

McCain 2008 (final) – 59,948,323
Romney (in progress) – 60,008,186

There were a lot of people comparing Romney’s election night total with McCain’s final total saying Romney got fewer votes than McCain did but that isn’t true.

The Democrats electronic GOTV effort failed in 2008 but they had a paper backup system. The Republicans in 2012 didn’t.

crosspatch on November 22, 2012 at 9:37 PM

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