Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on November 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

Romney wasn’t the problem.

To the extent Republicans have a problem with their candidates, it’s not that they’re not conservative enough. Where are today’s Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

Having vanquished liberal Republicans, the party’s problem now runs more along the lines of moron showoffs, trying to impress tea partiers like Jenny Beth Martin by taking insane positions on rape exceptions for abortion — as 2 million babies are killed every year from pregnancies having nothing to do with rape.

Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980. At least one of those won’t be true next time. But we’re not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn’t conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough.

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The vast majority of those in the American middle class haven’t lost their jobs and probably don’t expect to lose them. Their economic concerns revolve around being and feeling poorer than they were and felt in 2007, being or feeling trapped in a house worth less than it was, and being or feeling trapped in a job that pays less than they thought it would by now—and in all these cases, prospects are for extraordinarily modest improvement at best.

To such people Romney had nothing to say; he stuck instead to those generalities about America being a nation of entrepreneurship that celebrates success and rewards hard work and dreaming. That’s all well and good, but many people work hard without dreaming; and it is a violation of the central conservative idea of the dignity of the individual to confuse the idea of “success” in life with purely financial success as a result of risk-taking.

Thus did the flight from content create a fatal problem for Romney. He may have thought his lack of specificity would lend him more appeal, but in the end, it made him less appealing because he offered nothing but words. The exit-poll question he lost most definitively to Obama was about which of them “cares about the problems of people like me.” Obama won it by a staggering 81–17. There was some moaning in conservative circles that this indicated a dreadful decline for America, its final Oprah-ization. That is a terrible misunderstanding. Of course politicians should “care about the problems of people like me.” The “problems of people like me” are the root of all policy. Otherwise being a politician is nothing but regulation and management.

You cannot beat something with nothing. Obama had a record that was less than nothing but a machine and an approach to victory that were more than enough to add up to something. Romney, in the end, had nothing but Obama’s nothing.

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It is also worth noting that in states that were not considered battleground territory, Mr. Obama could still have won without a majority of the Hispanic vote. In California, Mr. Obama took the state’s 55 electoral votes with 72 percent of the Hispanic vote, but could have won with as little as 25 percent. And in Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes), where Mr. Obama received an estimated 80 percent of the Hispanic vote, he could have still carried the state with just over 37 percent.

With these five swing states, along with the safe Democratic states that Mr. Obama should have carried regardless of the Hispanic vote, the president would have reached 283 electoral votes, winning the Electoral College without needing to win a majority of the Hispanic vote in each state…

In New Mexico, Florida, Nevada and Colorado, slightly higher shares (but still less than a majority) of the Hispanic vote could have swung them to Mr. Romney, and this may well put these states in play in the next election if the Republican candidate and platform have broader appeal among Hispanic voters.

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Low-information voters trend younger and are more likely to be unmarried. They typically remain at least nominally ‘undecided’ until the bitter end, and generally do not read or watch extensive political or news coverage. They may care about economic issues in theory, but the tax rate doesn’t impact their day-to-day existence.

This means that campaigns must develop clear, concise, and punchy messaging, and find a way to integrate it into these voters’ daily lives.

Democrats – Barack Obama in particular – go after these voters with gusto. The 2008 Obama campaign broke ground by advertising on Xbox video games, prompting thousands of stoners to get off the couch and out to the polls. In 2012, when young women visited a beauty blog, they were likely greeted with video ads of Eva Longoria or Scarlett Johansson telling them Obama was fabulous. And lest we forget the infamous ad where Girls star Lena Dunham invited her fellow young women to make their “first time” special with Barack Obama.

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Yet aside from the folksy Reagan of humble beginnings, and these two isolated successes, no other Republican candidate has managed successfully to play the populist card, as someone who did not just pander to but actually liked the working classes. George H. W. Bush’s reelection campaign of 1992 was sabotaged by the cranky, animated populist, Ross Perot. The latter far better appealed to the third-party antecedents of the Tea Party…

Romney should have waded into blue states, especially low-income and minority areas—not because he had a real chance of winning a California, New York, or Illinois, but because he could use such occasions to remind all Americans, especially independents and conservative Democrats in swing states, that his agenda was aimed at getting the underclass jobs, empowering the lower middle classes, and giving all Americans more freedom of choice. The Romney economic message should have been aimed not just at job creators but at job seekers: smaller government, he should have argued forcefully, ensures that more people will be hired in the private sector…

Romney might have agreed to higher income tax rates not, like Obama, on those who make over $250,000, but instead on the real millionaires who make over a $1 million—and who statistically are more likely to be Obama supporters. How odd to hear Romney damned for supporting lower taxes for the 1 percent—by the 1 percent of Hollywood film stars, attorneys, and media superstars. He also could have opposed tax breaks for the very wealthy, like elite politicized foundations, and ended government subsidies for large wealthy agribusiness concerns…

Republicans will fail if they allow Democrats to promote the myth that their present alliance of the very wealthy and the poor is somehow more populist than empowering the middle and upper-middle classes. To become the true populists in our media-driven, electronically wired culture and to counter the Democrats’ art of class warfare, Republicans must not just argue for free-market solutions that help the hard-pressed middle, but they should look and talk—if not live—like them too.

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The politics of entitlement reform may be debatable, but the math is not. The aging of the population and rising health care costs are together triggering explosive growth in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. If left unchecked, these programs will place a crushing burden on federal taxpayers, cripple states and stifle economic growth.

It isn’t moral to impose these problems on future generations. It isn’t right to cede ground to liberals and allow ever higher taxes to chase ever higher spending, while government takes on an increasingly intrusive role in people’s lives.

Conservatives cannot live in a bubble. We’re never going to realize a federal government with powers truly limited to those narrowly enumerated in the U.S. Constitution. But even if a reaffirmation of principles doesn’t entail advocating utopian political positions — such as scrapping the entire welfare state — conservatives shouldn’t allow their core beliefs be dictated by what may or may not improve the short-term prospects for Republicans. Conservatism is not a political strategy.

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The Republican party has long been considered the party of the rich, right or wrong.

It is perceived that way because it is true. It is true even as the actual rich have become Democrats, and that’s just crazy.

If the GOP wants to survive, it must go after the actual rich while defending small business. Stick it to those making millions each year. Those guys vote and support Democrats, anyway. Run on eliminating inheritance tax loopholes used by clans like the Kennedys to avoid the tax and pass control of their vast wealth to their children. Why should the GOP be sacrificing political capital protecting Kennedy wealth? That’s nuts.

fadetogray on November 23, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Terrye on November 23, 2012 at 6:43 AM

I see your points..But due to the indoctrination of “Government is here to help you”..More and more folks now believe Government is the answer..This base of folks who think government is the answer now imho outnumber the conservative base and more motivated to vote for Santa Claus..The GOP must start to reach some of these folks and get them to believe in free market principle or we will continue to lose national elections..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 7:12 AM

The GOP must start to reach some of these folks and get them to believe in free market principle or we will continue to lose national elections..:)

This is a common misunderstanding of why Democrats vote Democrat. Many of them understand free market principles quite well.

Elections have become exercises in popularity in which the cool candidate who “cares about people like me” will be the winner.

That winner will never be the Republican as long as the Republican seems to care about the super rich more than he cares about regular working people and the small businesspeople who hire them.

We need to go after the rich. The actual rich. They don’t support the GOP any more, anyway. We need to defend people making less than a million a year while we get into a bidding war with the Democrats about how high we will raise taxes on their supporters like Warren Buffett and George Soros and Johnny Depp.

fadetogray on November 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM

Victor Davis Hanson gets it:

http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/134991

“……Romney might have agreed to higher income tax rates not, like Obama, on those who make over $250,000, but instead on the real millionaires who make over a $1 million—and who statistically are more likely to be Obama supporters. How odd to hear Romney damned for supporting lower taxes for the 1 percent—by the 1 percent of Hollywood film stars, attorneys, and media superstars. He also could have opposed tax breaks for the very wealthy, like elite politicized foundations, and ended government subsidies for large wealthy agribusiness concerns.

Somehow Big Bird became the poster child for Romney’s opposition to PBS, rather than the huge compensation that public network providers earn in non-competitive and often incestuous business relationships. Nor should elite universities have escaped scrutiny: why has tuition soared above the rate of inflation as campus compensation and perks for the upper 3 percent have fallen on the shoulders of poor students via crushing taxpayer-subsidized loans?

Republicans will fail if they allow Democrats to promote the myth that their present alliance of the very wealthy and the poor is somehow more populist than empowering the middle and upper-middle classes. To become the true populists in our media-driven, electronically wired culture and to counter the Democrats’ art of class warfare, Republicans must not just argue for free-market solutions that help the hard-pressed middle, but they should look and talk—if not live—like them too.”

fadetogray on November 23, 2012 at 7:28 AM

We need to go after the rich. The actual rich. They don’t support the GOP any more, anyway. We need to defend people making less than a million a year while we get into a bidding war with the Democrats about how high we will raise taxes on their supporters like Warren Buffett and George Soros and Johnny Depp.

fadetogray on November 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM

I disagree..The GOP should NOT get into the class warefare envy game..We (GOP) should defend the free market principles of Capitialism and fight government intervention on those free market principles..We need to make it our theme and take it to the folks..ALL the folks..imho..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Here’s an idea: Romney’s a good person, but, how about we nominate a REagn Conservative next time? My take.

kingsjester on November 23, 2012 at 7:48 AM

I disagree..

If the GOP agrees with you, it will lose, and we will all be buried. You have to work with the electorate you have, not the one you wish you had.

The GOP should NOT get into the class warefare envy game..

It is not about envy. We need to defend the small businesspeople who actually do the real job creation in our economy, not the super rich who are engaging in the culture of crony capitalism.

The globalist super rich are waging war on us, the American worker and entrepreneurs. Failure by the GOP to recognize that reality keeps the Democrats in power.

fadetogray on November 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM

kingsjester on November 23, 2012 at 7:48 AM

I have no problem with that..I just don’t believe this will totally solve the problem..imho..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 7:54 AM

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 7:54 AM

Well, the GOP sure as heck should not turn itself into Democratic Party II.

Pandering is not hunting black and white bears in China.

kingsjester on November 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Pandering is not hunting black and white bears in China.

kingsjester on November 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Outreach is not panderng..imho..:)

PS..Very nice blog post..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Thank you. Reagan reached out. The GOP Establishment wants to pander.

You’re right. There is a huge difference. You can reach out and win people to Conservatism, without engaging in class warfare, or losing the principles your party is supposed to stand for.

kingsjester on November 23, 2012 at 8:13 AM

You can reach out and win people to Conservatism, without engaging in class warfare, or losing the principles your party is supposed to stand for.

kingsjester on November 23, 2012 at 8:13 AM

Yes you can kj and we have got to figure out how to do it..I agree with you we need a messenger but we have to also do a better job with the message..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 8:23 AM

I agree with you we need a messenger but we have to also do a better job with the message..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 8:23 AM

“Free stuff” is hard to beat with any message that doesn’t include “free stuff”.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Romney won the states that have voter photo ID laws.

Until we make our votes secure, which should include the counting of the votes, all the other excuses for the loss
mean nothing.

I believe there are now 36 repub governors. This should be a
priority.

Amjean on November 23, 2012 at 8:58 AM

It is also worth noting that in states that were not considered battleground territory, Mr. Obama could still have won without a majority of the Hispanic vote. In California, Mr. Obama took the state’s 55 electoral votes with 72 percent of the Hispanic vote, but could have won with as little as 25 percent. And in Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes), where Mr. Obama received an estimated 80 percent of the Hispanic vote, he could have still carried the state with just over 37 percent.

He won Pennsylvania because of fraud. 59 precincts in Philly had zero Romney votes. Precincts where Republican poll watchers were illegally thrown out onto the streets. Precincts were there was like 95% or higher voter turnout where that never happens.

This is what gets me. What I just stated is fact. But it’s ignored as having anything to do with the election. Like it didn’t really happen. But it did. Obama had fewer votes in Pennsylvania than he did in 2008. Several counties flipped completely from Democrat to Romney. Every county in the state the GOP had more votes than 2008 except those 59 in Philly. But we’re going to ignore it… but that’s not going to make it go away.

This was not the random act of a few over zealous Democrats. This was a co-ordinated effort to throw out Republican poll watchers across Philly. They did not throw them out for a college prank. There was a reason. What did they do in those precincts after throwing the Republicans out! These actions may have been the difference in carrying Pennsylvania for Obama. And yet these so called experts make their analysis of the election results and never once mention fraud. There is a total disconnect here. On one thread we watch undercover videos of Democrats planning voter fraud. On another thread we read of Republican poll watchers being thrown out onto the streets. On another thread we read stories of 900 votes in a precinct going to Obama where there are only 7 registered voters and then on a still another thread we read expert analysis on why Romney lost and fraud never once gets mentioned. Total disconnect.

If they are allowed to get away with this do we actually think they will stop? It will only get worse! These are the same people who accuse us of voter fraud! Al Gore held the entire nation hostage for nearly a month trying to steal the election in front of our eyes.. all the while the media implying it was Bush who was up to no good and the Republican party just sits here like cowards doing nothing!

If this situation was reversed and Republicans had thrown our Democrat poll watchers there would be national hearings on voter fraud today straight threw to next summer! But we don’t want to be called names again so we sit on our hands. Names like “sore losers” or “racists” or whatever you like.

JellyToast on November 23, 2012 at 9:09 AM

I’ve got an idea, let’s just all commit suicide and get it over with.

That would be about as effective a political strategy as what is being proposed here.

Cylor on November 23, 2012 at 9:22 AM

“Free stuff” is hard to beat with any message that doesn’t include “free stuff”.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Very good point..It is a point the “true cons” need to see..:)

PS..Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 9:22 AM

You can’t soak those making over $1 million and expect to have a thriving small business community. Sole proprietor companies, family small businesses and other small businesses that are extremely productive with a small workforce are hard hit by any policy that goes after that group. The problem of Big Business getting into bed with Big Government to put in regulations that make it extremely expensive to go from the small business category is part of the problem. If you want to start breaking up the large earning companies, get rid of the regulations and allow a level playing field that does NOT penalize the small business for growing larger.

The Big Banks have also utilized regulations to kill off small banks via Ginnie Mae and ‘securitizing’ home loans via federal ratings: that is corrupt and it puts the little, local bank that is a steward of local communities out of business as they can be undercut and driven out of business by interstate and international concerns. With the S&Ls dead, and local bank relegated to minor niches, the Big Banks then get regulated to their political interests. Yet the federal government is given no power in opening up interstate real estate lending – yet it did so at the behest of the Labor Dept. under Nixon. Politicians found they could utilize activists to push money out the door by telling banks to lower their standards for lending. That happened decades before 2008-09. I’m all for small banks growing larger, but there is a federalism concern about putting the banking sector of the States under federal guidance: it doesn’t work well and destroys local banking for lending and oversight.

Basically a RICO lawsuit against the US federal government and the large Industrial, Manufacturing, Agricultural and Banking concerns is starting to look like a very good idea as this is collusion with criminal outcomes of stifling and restraining trade while punishing the small sector of the economy because it isn’t politically well connected to get a level playing field.

It isn’t JUST taxes here: it is the corrupt system of which taxes are just a punishing part. If you are small you can’t get waivers… but if you are large you can get loopholes, waivers, and all sorts of other goodies to avoid taxes that the little guy can’t afford to spend time with. That is a regulatory and tax problem, both, and both need to be addressed.

ajacksonian on November 23, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Romney lost because the broadcast media journalists never gave any objective, unbiased expository journalism to inform their masses of viewers who he was, they presented the Obama campaign version, free of charge in the media every day, from the start of Romney’s campaign with his tour to the Olympics. They used their liberal megaphone to pervert reporting into a sound bite attack that fulfilled their narrative theme about all things wrong about Romney, starting with “His European tour was gaffe filled.” It was not. To,”Romney has a Tin Ear on Benghazi.” Yeah right, while the media hid the facts they had that Romney and the rest of us were right.

No more MSM Sunday shows for me, I am boycotting them, because I want their viewership to go into the tank. By boycotting them, I am also not going to accept their choice of topics, that subvert what is really important. These media people try to foist their values for the country, and their ideology. NOW is the time for the republican party to look at the Presidential debate system, and some of the other things we don’t like, and propose our alternatives. It would also appear that we need to look at our alternative media influence on voters, not on who’s hispanic and who’s African American, but how to get into place media to influence voter education and thinking outside the MSM.

In Ohio, during the election, interviews with some of the most sought after voters, revealed two things. They were tired of negative ads and uneducated about true subject matter. A lot of money was wasted by 501c groups bashing Obama about things they knew nothing about, and also accusing Romney of things that were not true. That voters would believe the stories about Romney, is because the media, except for the occasional Pinnochio column wouldn’t debunk any of the democrat spun myth, from the former Clinton Administration faces at the MSM networks, and the ads against Obama appeared to be “Romney’s LIES” because the media was complicit in creating a phoney hero, once again, out of Barach Obama.

I realize the money is already spent. But to save the country, these 501c orgs need to be true to their educational informational charter and start teaching Americans thru uplifting advertising about America, and civics.

I would start with supporting the Republican House. If the MSM themes can drive the agenda, the 501c’s have to compete. The RNC can do it too. Hardly anyone listens to the republican rebuttal every week in the Saturday format as it currently is played out. That is where they have to start. The republican rebuttal needs to be on national tv/radio in prime time slots and on radio, like campaign ads. Spend the money now and it won’t be wasted. I am sick to death of the MSM driving the agenda with Obama Administration themes and talking points.

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO FIX THE MONEY? I want it now. Shut down the government, we republicans have nothing to lose, we are going to be blamed for everything anyway by Obama’s helpful media. It is two years until the next election, it’s a great time to shut down the Obama endless piggybank.

Fleuries on November 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM

…But to save the country, these 501c orgs need to be true to their educational informational charter and start teaching Americans thru uplifting advertising about America, and civics.

I would start with supporting the Republican House. If the MSM themes can drive the agenda, the 501c’s have to compete. The RNC can do it too. Hardly anyone listens to the republican rebuttal every week in the Saturday format as it currently is played out. That is where they have to start. The republican rebuttal needs to be on national tv/radio in prime time slots and on radio, like campaign ads. Spend the money now and it won’t be wasted. I am sick to death of the MSM driving the agenda with Obama Administration themes and talking points…

Fleuries on November 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM

This is a very good idea. The unions (media and Democrats) never let up on their message.

Fallon on November 23, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I don’t know which has been more exasperating and stupid, all the Romneybot arguments for months (even years!) why Romney was the only candidate who could beat Obama, or all the elaborate post-mortem Romneybot blame-shifting arguments and excuses why he lost.

You can cite the invincible media, the derelict base, the lazy and corrupt GOP, the uninformed voter, the democrat machine, etc., but it’s the candidate who carries the vanguard and is blessed with the opportunity, resources and center stage — and should have the moral force of personality — to make the case and stir the populace. Romney failed on every count and at every turn to fight the fight that was needed against the worst and most evil president in our history. His complete failure or unwillingness to comprehend the war we are in, to confront the media and to itemize the horror of Obama’s reign and what he would do differently, his pathetically monotonous “economic” message amidst the greatest attack on American freedom in mdoern history, reduced what should have been an historic campaign of American revival to a tragically time-warped and toothless farce.

The candidate sucked. We lost for a lot of reasons but all of them are subordinate to this ringing truth.

rrpjr on November 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM

PS..Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family..:)

Dire Straits on November 23, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Back at ya’. two and a have hours to go until pants free weekend.

cozmo on November 23, 2012 at 10:25 AM

This was not the random act of a few over zealous Democrats. This was a coordinated effort to throw out Republican poll watchers across Philly. They did not throw them out for a college prank. There was a reason.

JellyToast on November 23, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Here is the reason again, from this article.

… The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud.

Yes. You read it correctly.

In fact, legally the GOP cannot ensure voting integrity, nor can it prevent vote fraud …

… PolitiJim writes for Gulag Bound, November 13, 2012, that during the weekly True the Vote webcast, Catherine Engelbrecht related a meeting she had with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), asking what the GOP would do about voter integrity. The answer?

Nothing. They aren’t legally able to.

This all goes back to a lawsuit 31 years ago, in 1981. The following is compiled from an account on The Judicial View, a legal website specializing in court decision research and alerts, and from “Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee,” Case No. 09-4615 …

Yes, I posted this link earlier in this very thread. I’m going to keep posting this in the hope that everyone who sees it will bookmark it and pass it along to every Conservative they know. I believe this puts the 2000 presidential election in a different perspective: the GOP actually had the guts to challenge the results in Florida in spite of this consent decree, which meant that we were subjected to weeks and months of talking about hanging chads, but we prevailed.

Maybe it’s time for a team of dedicated attorneys to take this on and to find a way to vacate it. But until that happens, expect more of the same. This is a perfect example of what I mean when I say that the GOP has no idea what “playing the long game” even means.

PatriotGal2257 on November 23, 2012 at 10:42 AM

It is sad to see so many arguing about voter fraud when if this population of baboons we call voters were actual human beings Romney would have won in a landslide.

Until conservatives figure out they actually want to stop our slide into becoming just another eurosclerotic state and start fighting our real enemies (like the globalist super rich) with hard nosed policies that punish those enemies instead of spouting lofty ideals and fantasies of past glories that never really were, the slide will continue unhindered.

Rich people like Buffett and Soros and the Kennedys with their tax loopholes and lawyers are laughing their butts off at every one of you as you sacrifice political capital protecting their vast empires from real competition.

fadetogray on November 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM

No Allahpundit, Romney simply was not a typical politician…lying and cheating like his rival. He is too decent a
human being to be in politics…we need strong, determined candidates that call a spade a spade, tell it like it is and call out the hate and lies of the opposition. Otherwise, stay home.

sharinlite on November 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Amjean on November 23, 2012 at 8:58 AM

JellyToast on November 23, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Excellent points, gentlemen. That’s why this GOP needs to be tossed out and new people brought in – people willing to fight and learn.

Or a viable third party.

The numbers just don’t add up. West highlighted that in his own district and then for whatever reason stopped fighting. It’s time to stop this “oh lookie we forgot to count this box” BS and have clean elections.

kim roy on November 23, 2012 at 12:47 PM

fadetogray on November 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM

It might be easier to fix voter fraud than it will to rehabilitate and educate those running the GOP.

Just saying. These fools don’t seem to learn or want to learn – just see how “the smart kids” have been yammering to the media all week. Yep. That’s going to work.

Stuck on stupid.

kim roy on November 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I volunteered for, donated to and voted for McCain.

I voted for Romney.

If Jeb Bush or Chris Christie or any other pathetic Progressive-lite RINO runs for President I will not only NOT vote for them but will actively support, donate to and vote for a third party canidate.

Memo to GOP: I doubt I’m alone in this pledge.

The game is over.

rrpjr on November 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The Republican party truly is the Stupid party.

Sparky5253 on November 23, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Hey, Coz -

The 380s are good ‘nostril’ guns (as in “stick it up his nostril and pull the trigger”), but they aren’t very pleasant to shoot.

If you need something that’s small and concealable, you might want to look at the S&W Shield.

mnealtx on November 23, 2012 at 10:28 PM

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