Video: Romney aide Dan Senor rips GOP officials for turning on him

posted at 6:36 pm on November 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Politico, he doesn’t name names but he’s clearly talking about Jindal and Scott Walker at least, both of whom have been outspoken in criticizing Romney’s post-election comments about Obama buying voters with taxpayer “gifts” and both of whom were at the Ohio rally that Senor mentions. Rubio and Kelly Ayotte were also there and have also had critical things to say, although their criticism was gentler. I was thinking about that gigantic Ohio rally this morning while looking at these sweet/sad pics of Romney at Disneyland. Three weeks ago, the guy was sincerely convinced that he was about to be elected president of the United States. He had a transition website in the works and everything. He watched his father’s presidential ambitions explode, suffered dozens of bitter defeats at the Senate and presidential primary levels, and endured being called a RINO and an establishment loser finally to end up that night as the star of the Republican show in front of 30,000 hopeful people. And now, three weeks later, he’s riding the teacups, with nothing to do except watch 2016′s presidential aspirants use him as a scapegoat for the party’s demographic challenges. Amazing.

When McCain lost, he went back to national business in the Senate. Dole resigned from the Senate during his presidential campaign but he’d already spent 27 years there and was in his 70s when he lost to Clinton. Before Dole, the last GOP nominee who lost an election without ever serving as president was Goldwater, and he too eventually returned to the Senate. Romney’s in uncharted waters in modern times as a guy who got tantalizingly close to the brass ring and not only didn’t get it but was immediately returned to national semi-obscurity afterward. How do you process that psychologically? It might not be as difficult for him if he were older or in worse health, as he’d at least have the relief of retirement ahead. But he doesn’t look like a man who’s eager for retirement; he’s the picture of health and vigor. Is being named CEO of some company enough to help him decelerate from being almost Leader of the Free World to waiting in line to ride Space Mountain? That’s why Senor’s so defensive on his behalf, I think. It’s not just that Jindal and Walker and other 2016 hopefuls are transparently opportunistic in clubbing him. It’s that the guy’s dealing with one of the worst cases of status whiplash in recent American history. If you’re an influential Republican, let him breathe for a minute before piling on, maybe.

Exit quotation from an unnamed Romney aide:

“Yet he went out and won the nomination,” wrote the aide in an email exchange. “Without putting in a dime of his own money. How did he do it? Well, more than anything there were the [primary season] debates. The debates proved that Romney was the most appealing Republican in the crowd. Appealing to VOTERS. Republican voters.”

“So I would be very hesitant,” the aide continued, “to believe that suddenly those who are criticizing Mitt Romney now are any more right than those who did for much of the last year and a half.”


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This whole establishment vs nonestablishment is just nonsense really.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

And to this, you and I have found a single point of agreement. The GOP has betrayed us.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:40 PM

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Actually, Romney started running for President about 2005 or 2006, well before the financial crisis, when to all appearances the American economy was doing alright.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Uhhhhh, wrong again. Romney was MA Gov from 2003-07

You all need move on from your blame Romney and really focus on WHY we lost because it was not because of Romney. America has turned into a What’s in it for me mentality and what can I get for free…

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Actually I struck the word RINO, something you didn’t do when you copied and pasted. I am a conservative and Mitt Romney was about my fourth choice. Yet, I voted for him and even sent a small contribution.

I wonder how many “establishment Republicans” would have done the same had the nominee been Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum?

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM

You all need move on from your blame Romney and really focus on WHY we lost because it was not because of Romney. America has turned into a What’s in it for me mentality and what can I get for free…

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM

On that basis alone, Romney should have won. Did you see what he did in Mass-uh-chew-sits with Romneycare?

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

The child-like mentality of Palin’s supporters is clear when it it pointed out that she cluelessly called for a brokered convention in the selfish and vain hope that a brokered convention would pick her and none of her supporters are prepared to concede that it was a brain dead idea given that a brokered convention would have left the nominee with 2 months in which to organize a campaign – something that can’t reasonably be done in less than 9 months.

No lessons are being learned.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

The lesson that should be learned is no more statists who are either unable or unwilling to articulate and advocate free market principles and solutions.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Yeah, I am sure the money and the reality TV and the book tours had nothing to do with the decision that Sarah made.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Hey Sparky, learn something…

“Politics is down stream of popular culture…”

– Breitbart

idesign on November 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Sarah Palin. Her motives were pure enough for her to decide to stay out of this sorry flustercuck.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

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Yeah, I am sure the money and the reality TV and the book tours had nothing to do with the decision that Sarah made.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

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Even if she was motivated “greed” (I don’t believe she was), none of that should have been an impediment to running.

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM

On that basis alone, Romney should have won. Did you see what he did in Mass-uh-chew-sits with Romneycare?

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Listen you fool…That bill was supported by more than 80% of the people who lived in that state…now your Saint Sarah raised taxes on oil companies too. So what? They pursued policies that were supported by their constituents.

Romney also said that he would work to repeal Obamacare…so maybe that was the problem. Maybe people said they did not want that program, but in fact they did. They voted for Obama after all.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

You all need move on from your blame Romney and really focus on WHY we lost because it was not because of Romney. America has turned into a What’s in it for me mentality and what can I get for free…

Romney lost for two reasons:

1. Media bias – an obstacle any Republican faced.

2. An incredibly incompetent campaign team (over-paying for TV spots, having Romney and Ryan close out in Pennsylvania and Minnesota when they should have been in real swing states, playing “prevent defense,” ORCA not working on election day, the “Etch-a-Sketch” comments, etc., etc., etc.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

You all need move on from your blame Romney and really focus on WHY we lost because it was not because of Romney. America has turned into a What’s in it for me mentality and what can I get for free…
g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM

So. What we needed was someone who could tell them that free market solutions would do more for them than statism. Romney was unwilling or unable to do that.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Actually, he was Running for President from late 2005 onward. He neglected his duties as Governor, leaving many judicial seats empty for instance, along with other things he did not get done there and instead appointed progressives to do for him in his administration.

Such as John Holdren, you might recognize the name as Obama’s Science Czar, I recognize the name from his statements about humans being a blight on the land, and that we should get rid of them by spiking the drinking water with birth control hormones.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Even if she was motivated “greed” (I don’t believe she was), none of that should have been an impediment to running.

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I think she knew she could not win and she also knew that she could make a lot of money and have a following by doing TV and book tours. Why screw that up?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Sarah Palin. Her motives were pure enough for her to decide to stay out of this sorry flustercuck.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Did she even once tell the child-like members of the cult to knock it off as they continued with their attacks on Romney even after he had secured the nomination?

She damaged our chances with her brain dead call for a brokered convention and she never made amends for that, though in fairness, she did say Romney was a strong candidate and she did contribute to his campaign.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:52 PM

It’s amazing how many stupid people think that it’s a cinch to defeat an incumbent president who has the unqualified support of 90% of the media, 90% of the entertainment industry, 95% of academia and a culture where 50% of the citizenry depends on government largesse for food and shelter.

Who feeds and dresses you fools?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

^This

sentinelrules on November 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM

1. Media bias – an obstacle any Republican faced.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I agree that the media malpractice and malfeasance was a major factor (it was unprecedented this cycle), but that is precisely why we needed a strong advocate for free market principles.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Yeah, I am sure the money and the reality TV and the book tours had nothing to do with the decision that Sarah made.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Her plan may have been a poor one in that – assuming she was interested – she miscalculated – and waited too long. The fact that Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry already announced may have foiled her strategy.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Did she even once tell the child-like members of the cult to knock it off as they continued with their attacks on Romney even after he had secured the nomination?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Romney could have helped himself, but refused to. Palin did too, but she wasn’t alone.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Listen you fool…That bill was supported by more than 80% of the people who lived in that state…now your Saint Sarah raised taxes on oil companies too. So what? They pursued policies that were supported by their constituents.

Romney also said that he would work to repeal Obamacare…so maybe that was the problem. Maybe people said they did not want that program, but in fact they did. They voted for Obama after all.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state by the constitution. Asking for a better payment on the per barrel price of Oil is the right thing to do. Particularly when oil prices have climbed dramatically and the cost of sucking it out of the ground has not. Excise taxes, such as the OIL tax are much more inline with the founding fathers, as those were the ones they wrote into the Constitution.

Want to moan about something else you IMAGINE is a blight on someone’s record?

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:56 PM

She damaged our chances with her brain dead call for a brokered convention and she never made amends for that, though in fairness, she did say Romney was a strong candidate and she did contribute to his campaign.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:52 PM

You actually believe Palin’s call for a brokered convention played any role in the outcome of the election? And, you call us fools?

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:58 PM

So. What we needed was someone who could tell them that free market solutions would do more for them than statism. Romney was unwilling or unable to do that.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Romney’s life was an example of what a free market can do for someone. The problem is that most people do not want to work that hard. They prefer the security of a little to the hope of a lot.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Obviously, you know nothing about the Alaska State Constitution.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state by the constitution. Asking for a better payment on the per barrel price of Oil is the right thing to do. Particularly when oil prices have climbed dramatically and the cost of sucking it out of the ground has not. Excise taxes, such as the OIL tax are much more inline with the founding fathers, as those were the ones they wrote into the Constitution.

Want to moan about something else you IMAGINE is a blight on someone’s record?

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I did not say it was a blight on her record. If you go back and read what I said, I said that both Romney and Palin did what their constituents wanted them to do…they had the support of the people for the programs and policies they supported.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Romney had very few negatives that people didn’t know about already for the media to hammer on. They just went ahead and made stuff up. When the next candidate shows up, what’s the GOP’s strategy to fight against the corrupt Leftist media?

MrX on November 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Obviously, you know nothing about the Alaska State Constitution.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I know that people in the state of Alaska have been getting money from the state for that oil for years. My point was that Sarah Palin supported a winfall profit tax to get more money from those oil companies. The people of Alaska supported that.

The people of Mass supported the health care law passed when Romney was Governor too…by a huge margin. In fact a solid majority still support it..

That does not mean that either of these people would have supported the same policies on a national level without the support of the people.

That was my point.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Romney’s life was an example of what a free market can do for someone. The problem is that most people do not want to work that hard. They prefer the security of a little to the hope of a lot.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I agree. But that’s not good enough. The free market solutions need to be articulated and advocated. Where are people exposed to these arguments in their daily lives? Govt school? MSM? Hollywood? Where? They need it explained to them in terms that they understand. Romney didn’t do that except perhaps during the first debate. He thought that would be enough to get him over the finish line, so coasted after that. He was wrong.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Instead you have the party hacks and many of the 2016 wannabes fighting to see which one can get a French kiss on the media’s butt.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Looks like we will be seeing that same old movie again.

Romney was nominated by way of cross-over votes in states that have open-primaries. John McCain was nominated the same way.

The Democrats picked who they would rather run against.

I also suspect a lot of voter-fraud took place during the primaries.

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Yep. This is part of that same movie.

PatriotGal2257 on November 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Romney had very few negatives that people didn’t know about already for the media to hammer on. They just went ahead and made stuff up. When the next candidate shows up, what’s the GOP’s strategy to fight against the corrupt Leftist media?

MrX on November 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM

That is the real question. Because they know this works, the media will just keep it up.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I did not say it was a blight on her record. If you go back and read what I said, I said that both Romney and Palin did what their constituents wanted them to do…they had the support of the people for the programs and policies they supported.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:01 PM

You made it sound like a negative…

idesign on November 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

It’s amazing how many stupid people think that it’s a cinch to defeat an incumbent president who has the unqualified support of 90% of the media, 90% of the entertainment industry, 95% of academia and a culture where 50% of the citizenry depends on government largesse for food and shelter.

Who feeds and dresses you fools?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

^This

sentinelrules on November 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM

it is not easy. It takes work, effort, skill, money, boots on the ground, a base of support. It also requires you to give the voters a compelling reason to change horses.

Romney put in the work and effort, got the money out there.

Failed on the skill, the boots on the ground and did not really give the voters a compelling reason to change horses.

Romney is a nice man, somewhat honorable (see newt attack ads he financed and put his name to if you question the somewhat statement), very accomplished personally, not even remotely accomplished as a conservative,love this nation, but was not willing to risk his life in the military, and was not willing to run for President on the ticket he should have, the Democrat party.

Then again. It is hard to beat an incumbent, except when: Unemployment is high, like this time. When the growth of the economy is effectively stagnant, like this time. When the President has large and significant foreign policy failures, like this time. When the President has large destructive and unpopular bills tied around his neck ready to be used against him, like this time. When gas prices are double the price they were on inauguration day 4 years prior. Particularly when all of the above are true… Like this time.

Then it should have been a cinch. Regardless of the advantages you listed. Particularly when you had a billion dollars available to get your message out.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Romney was nominated by way of cross-over votes in states that have open-primaries. John McCain was nominated the same way.

The Democrats picked who they would rather run against.

I also suspect a lot of voter-fraud took place during the primaries.

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Romney did not just win in open primaries. In fact, he had more support than any other candidate.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Romney’s life was an example of what a free market can do for someone. The problem is that most people do not want to work that hard. They prefer the security of a little to the hope of a lot.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Romney took millions upon millions in government subsidies while at Bain, he supported ethanol subsidies, he supported Romneycare (I like Mandates), and free cars for welfare bums.

“I was successful in organizing the Olympics, got record funds from the federal government,” – Mitt Romney

Yippie for the free market.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I did not say it was a blight on her record. If you go back and read what I said, I said that both Romney and Palin did what their constituents wanted them to do…they had the support of the people for the programs and policies they supported.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:01 PM

You made it sound like a negative…

idesign on November 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Maybe you are paranoid. The point I was making was in response to a remark about Romneycare blah blah blah…and that point is that Governors often times support things in their states that might not be all that popular elsewhere.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I did not say it was a blight on her record. If you go back and read what I said, I said that both Romney and Palin did what their constituents wanted them to do…they had the support of the people for the programs and policies they supported.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Works for me, but what Sarah did was conservative. She got a good price for the resources that her citizens were giving up to out of state interests, oil companies. If Oil prices go down, then the pressure will be on to lower the price of the oil excise tax to prevent companies cutting back on production.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

The simple fact was that most of the political establishment in Alaska was in bed with the oil industry.

Alaska Syaye Constitution:

Article VIII: Natural Resources

Article VIII is the first article dealing solely and broadly with resources to appear in a state constitution. The delegates wished to curtail what was seen as abuse of Alaska’s resources (see Ordinance No. 3) and ensure reasonable development to broaden Alaska’s economic base. The chief principle was that resources should be managed as a public trust, providing “for maximum use consistent with the public interest”, further defined as “utilization, development, and conservation … for the maximum benefit of [the] people”; for common access to resources; and for development to be based on sustainable yield. Article VIII also provides for state parks and protected areas, and for the leasing of state lands for resource development.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I know that people in the state of Alaska have been getting money from the state for that oil for years. My point was that Sarah Palin supported a winfall profit tax to get more money from those oil companies. The people of Alaska supported that.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM

If the people of Alaska own the oil, then its NOT A TAX when they sell it.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Romney’s life was an example of what a free market can do for someone. The problem is that most people do not want to work that hard. They prefer the security of a little to the hope of a lot.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I would argue to a large extent, it was more a thing of position, along with a good moral compass. Without either, he would not have succeeded the way he did.

Being born to a multimillionaire father gave him contacts and opportunities he otherwise likely would not have gotten. They were simply gifts of circumstance. The moral character was instilled by his family, had he been the son of a multimillionaire movie star, he likely would not have gotten that either. But since the education stuck with respect to his character, he was able to leverage his connections from his father to be in position to succeed the way he did.

Honestly argue that if he grew up in much different circumstances that he would have been just as successful.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Romney took millions upon millions in government subsidies while at Bain, he supported ethanol subsidies, he supported Romneycare (I like Mandates), and free cars for welfare bums.

“I was successful in organizing the Olympics, got record funds from the federal government,” – Mitt Romney

Yippie for the free market.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

You do not know what you are talking about.

Romney paid more money in taxes than he ever took from the government..that is just insane.

Ethanol has been around for decades and a lot of people have supported it…so what?

The only funds he got for the Olympics were for added security because of the terrorist threats.

And that program for cars was a state program where people could give up their old cars or something like that.

Your whole screed was just wrong.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

If the people of Alaska own the oil, then its NOT A TAX when they sell it.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Actually, it is called an excise or production tax. Read the constitution and read a bit of the early history of taxation in this nation.

There were taxes on hunting, trapping and other economic activities that were consuming the raw materials of the land.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

If the people of Alaska own the oil, then its NOT A TAX when they sell it.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Yep…

idesign on November 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

While I am much more conservative than Mitt Romney, I wish he would have won.

In my opinion, he lost primarily because of two things” 1) media bias and 2) a campaign team that was only overshadowed by McCain’s in terms of incompetence.

There was little he could be about media bias. He had plenty of time to build his campaign team and didn’t choose wisely, going with party hacks rather than professionals. At least his campaign team didn’t try to sabotage him like McCain’s did.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

One company he was involved in personally stole hundreds of millions of dollars of medicare/medicaid money… Maybe he paid more in taxes, I am doubtful…

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Honestly argue that if he grew up in much different circumstances that he would have been just as successful.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

How can I argue that? How can anyone? His father grew up in different circumstances and yet he became a success. Mitt Romney had a good education and he did not waste it. No doubt that his background was a plus…but he also gave away his inheritance and he made a point of making his own fortune. Maybe he wanted to prove to himself that he had more going for him than his father’s money. He might have felt pushed in some way to a be success on his own.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Maybe Free and Strong PAC will come back.

Fleuries on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

it is not easy. It takes work, effort, skill, money, boots on the ground, a base of support. It also requires you to give the voters a compelling reason to change horses.

Then again. It is hard to beat an incumbent, except when: Unemployment is high, like this time. When the growth of the economy is effectively stagnant, like this time. When the President has large and significant foreign policy failures, like this time. When the President has large destructive and unpopular bills tied around his neck ready to be used against him, like this time. When gas prices are double the price they were on inauguration day 4 years prior. Particularly when all of the above are true… Like this time.

Then it should have been a cinch. Regardless of the advantages you listed. Particularly when you had a billion dollars available to get your message out.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Just curious- with all the above negatives in the economy why wasn’t it “a cinch”. What could have/should have Romney done?

wolverinefan on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

One company he was involved in personally stole hundreds of millions of dollars of medicare/medicaid money… Maybe he paid more in taxes, I am doubtful…

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Involved in? Did he go to jail? Was he charged with some crime? Was he found to be responsible in any way for this fraud?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Just curious- with all the above negatives in the economy why wasn’t it “a cinch”. What could have/should have Romney done?

wolverinefan on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Inspired the base. Red meat. Gotten the people who are natural Republican voters to be thrilled to SELL HIM to their friends.

While I am starting to think that the base did turn out for him, like I grudgingly did, they did so grudgingly and in low spirits and did not get their friends they normally would have gotten to the polls. It is hard to sell someone on someone you yourself are not sold on, but just voting against Obama on.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Just curious- with all the above negatives in the economy why wasn’t it “a cinch”. What could have/should have Romney done?

wolverinefan on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

8 out of 10 of the richest counties voted for the status quo..they voted for Obama. They are doing fine right now.

Back in the 80s only 30% of the people in this country got any kind of support from the federal government. Now it is about 49%. Back in those days if the economy was bad, people were hurting. Now we have food stamps going to 47 million people. Unemployment insurance that goes on forever. People get help with bills, if they are not too proud to ask for it. People do not react the same way to a bad economy that they did when they actually had to worry about feeding themselves and keeping a roof over their heads.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM

If the people of Alaska own the oil, then its NOT A TAX when they sell it.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Actually, it is called an excise or production tax.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

That may be what its called, but when they are selling what they own that doesn’t strike me as a tax. Why should they be giving it away for free? They should be maximizing their profits which is what Palin did.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Just curious- with all the above negatives in the economy why wasn’t it “a cinch”. What could have/should have Romney done?

wolverinefan on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

I think what Romney and Ryan could have done is personalized the national debt in terms of debt for every man, woman and child. When you look at the “share” of debt for a tax-paying family of four, it’s usually more than the value of their house.

$16 trillion is difficult for most voters to understand.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Like most executives, they distance themselves from the dirty work. He was in a supervisory role and in the least failed to notice that the drastic improvement in the companies finances were the result of FRAUD. A significant failure for an executive. The money still came out of tax payers pockets, and Romney, as a supervisor and investor was benefited from it.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM

That may be what its called, but when they are selling what they own that doesn’t strike me as a tax. Why should they be giving it away for free? They should be maximizing their profits which is what Palin did.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

That was what I was arguing… your point.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM

While I am starting to think that the base did turn out for him, like I grudgingly did, they did so grudgingly and in low spirits and did not get their friends they normally would have gotten to the polls. It is hard to sell someone on someone you yourself are not sold on, but just voting against Obama on.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM

The base nominated him. I keep hearing that Romney was not supported by the base. But he was supported by more of the base than anyone else running and when it came to his favorable numbers, they were high with the base.

I think there were people on both sides who just did not bother to vote this time. I read that Obama got 7 million less votes than he did in 2008. Maybe the tenor of the election just turned people off.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

wolverinefan on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Replace himself with Palin. Or a conservative. Simple.

I am glad that the rich geezer didn’t run. IF the guy couldn’t test run his own GOTV effort, why would you trust the entire world’s future to him? He’s a thoroughly incompetent fraud.

promachus on November 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Romney will pop up somewhere with a book based on his campaign journal, and he’ll become the next “Shoulda Been President”, when things implode.

Like Rush has said, Mitt would have been very good for the country.

…and the players are killiing Romney for the usual reason. He surrounded himself with people no one else liked.

While I wish Mitt would have won, I am not upset the Fehrnstrom, Stevens, Andrea Saul, etc, are at square one. They may have worked hard physically, but they had nary a clue.

budfox on November 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Romney got lesser votes than Mccain/Palin and he made it up with slightly higher “independent” numbers. The base did not vote for him. Period.

promachus on November 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Look, in the end, if Romney’s decisive loss doesn’t put the lie to the whole “electability” shibboleth, we who call ourselves “conservative,” without even understanding what it is we seek to “conserve,” deserve it right up the ass from the liberals.

I think Bill Whittle had it right. Conservatives don’t believe in what they’re selling. Liberals do believe in what they are selling. In the end, that’s what it came down to. I wish I had a solution for this problem. Alas, I don’t.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

You actually believe Palin’s call for a brokered convention played any role in the outcome of the election? And, you call us fools? bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Her asinine call for a brokered convention prolonged the primary and delayed or prevented Romney from doing everything the geniuses here said he should have done. Does this help? Or are you still a fool?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Just curious- with all the above negatives in the economy why wasn’t it “a cinch”. What could have/should have Romney done?

wolverinefan on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Glad you asked!

Dongemaharu on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Oh please. Do we have to go over this. The base ran from pillar to post and thought of voting for awful bottom tier candidate like Santorum, Cain etc rather than vote for Romney. Romney won the basis of 20% moderate primary electorate, negative advertising and the twisted primary calendar.

promachus on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Like most executives, they distance themselves from the dirty work. He was in a supervisory role and in the least failed to notice that the drastic improvement in the companies finances were the result of FRAUD. A significant failure for an executive. The money still came out of tax payers pockets, and Romney, as a supervisor and investor was benefited from it.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I work for a health care agency. I know about fraud when it comes to medicare or medicaid. I also know that if there are proven cases of fraud that people go to jail and efforts are made to recoup the losses…that means the people who perpetrated the fraud are punished and the money is returned to the taxpayer.

Not even Obama tried to accuse Romney of medicare fraud.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

If her call was heeded, we wouldn’t be seeing Obama’s second term. Romney’s the ass.

promachus on November 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Maybe the tenor of the election just turned people off.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Or maybe the people running on both sides turned people off.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. – Animal Farm

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Look, in the end, if Romney’s decisive loss…blah, blah, blah

407,000 votes is not decisive, you tool.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM</blockquote

Very true. And today, many people have figured out that they can live as good a life by going on disability or welfare with food stamps, Section 8 housing, free breakfast and lunch for their kids, free cell phones and all the other goodies.

We are just about to the point where every productive U.S.family not only has to support kitself but also a non-productive family.

The Great Society started in the mid-1960s so, in many cases, we are on the fourth or fifth generation of welfare families.

I have no problem with what Romney said about Obama buying blocks of voters. My problem is with the critism of Jindal, Gingrich et. al.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Oh please. Do we have to go over this. The base ran from pillar to post and thought of voting for awful bottom tier candidate like Santorum, Cain etc rather than vote for Romney. Romney won the basis of 20% moderate primary electorate, negative advertising and the twisted primary calendar.

promachus on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

At least he tried. People can trash Romney all they want, but where were all these wonderful true conservatives with impeccable records that were supposed to run but did not show up?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Her asinine call for a brokered convention prolonged the primary and delayed or prevented Romney from doing everything the geniuses here said he should have done. Does this help? Or are you still a fool?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Show me where she called for a brokered convention, Butch. Just tell me where she uttered a call for it once.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

At least he tried. People can trash Romney all they want, but where were all these wonderful true conservatives with impeccable records that were supposed to run but did not show up?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

They gave up on the GOP a long time ago. Like I have just recently. Here’s your sign.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

The base nominated him. I keep hearing that Romney was not supported by the base. But he was supported by more of the base than anyone else running and when it came to his favorable numbers, they were high with the base.

I think there were people on both sides who just did not bother to vote this time. I read that Obama got 7 million less votes than he did in 2008. Maybe the tenor of the election just turned people off.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

I think you are right. I gave a reason for fewer votes. That the base was not enthusiastic enough to sell Romney to the tuned out friends as they have in the past. Romney could have changed that.

I usually get my family to get out and vote. I ignored them completely this go around. Iowa and Texas. I just could not sell the guy. No way, no how. I have not even asked if they voted. They usually tell me they voted for my pick. Multiply that by 100,000 people and you are talking about a million votes.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I have no problem with what Romney said about Obama buying blocks of voters. My problem is with the critism of Jindal, Gingrich et. al.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I know. Especially considering the fact that we hear it every day. We know that most people feel this way..in fact a lot of Obama supporters will tell you they voted for Obama because they were afraid that Romney would take something away from them and Obama would give them more help.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

If her call was heeded, we wouldn’t be seeing Obama’s second term. Romney’s the ass.

promachus on November 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

You have trouble thinking logically. Enough of you morons heeded her moronic call that the primary was prolonged, robbing Romney of time and money.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I think you are right. I gave a reason for fewer votes. That the base was not enthusiastic enough to sell Romney to the tuned out friends as they have in the past. Romney could have changed that.

I usually get my family to get out and vote. I ignored them completely this go around. Iowa and Texas. I just could not sell the guy. No way, no how. I have not even asked if they voted. They usually tell me they voted for my pick. Multiply that by 100,000 people and you are talking about a million votes.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I don’t want to offend people…but if the socalled base was not ready to go out and vote for Romney instead of Obama..then we need a new base. That just pisses me off. What the hell? They moaned about Obama for years…and then they sit home? Screw them.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM

You have trouble thinking logically. Enough of you morons heeded her moronic call that the primary was prolonged, robbing Romney of time and money.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

And raising his negatives.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

You have trouble thinking logically. Enough of you morons heeded her moronic call that the primary was prolonged, robbing Romney of time and money.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

How you get “prolong the primary” or “have a brokered convention” out of “I think a vigrously contested primary season is beneficial…” is beyond me. I think you’re projecting.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Just curious- with all the above negatives in the economy why wasn’t it “a cinch”. What could have/should have Romney done?

wolverinefan on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Mitt’s problem was the bubble.

The Mormon Bubble. The Wealth Bubble. The CEO Bubble.

He, and Ryan, had zero self-awareness.

Obama bathes in his meta. That makes for a totally different conversation with the audience.

It allows Obama to say “voting = revenge”, and know his people hear him.

If Mitt played into his persona, starting in the primaries, he would have nullify most of the personal charges.

Seriously. Imagine if he ridiculed the “Romney killed my Roller Derby Queen Wife”, by laying out some absurd seven-year plot to give the woman cancer.

This is the same problem Rubio is facing; the inability to be caustic.

When Rubio was asked about the age of Earth, he should have said “16 Trillion”, and then hammered it as if he meant it. Let the reporter ponder if it was a debt comment, or a mockery of the question.

In other words, Romney needed to see the intentions, and say “Yeah, I get it, dipshite”.

But neither he nor Ryan were capable of that.

Few want to hear it, but Hitchens laid the debate/argue/attack path on how to shut down progs.

budfox on November 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

the primary was prolonged, robbing Romney of time and money.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Robbed?

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

They gave up on the GOP a long time ago. Like I have just recently. Here’s your sign.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

And where did that get them?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Her asinine call for a brokered convention prolonged the primary and delayed or prevented Romney from doing everything the geniuses here said he should have done. Does this help? Or are you still a fool?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Palil’s call for a brokered convention had no effect on anything. Romney already had the delegates locked up.

Romney simply selected an inept campaign team with the likes of Andrea Sual (when you hire veterans from the McCain team you are asking for trouble), Kevin Madden who has a worse record during the past 10 years than the Detroit Lions and Mr. “Etch-a-S ketch.”

If you are Basilsbest, I’d hate to see Basilsworst.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:41 PM

the primary was prolonged, robbing Romney of time and money.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Robbed?

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

The only thing that anyone was robbed of was the votes of people, such as myself, who didn’t want Romney as the candidate but didn’t count in the process because our primaries were too late.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Or maybe the people running on both sides turned people off.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. – Animal Farm

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Or maybe they are a bunch of spoiled brats who figure that if they can not get what they want then to hell with everyone else.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

They gave up on the GOP a long time ago. Like I have just recently. Here’s your sign.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

And where did that get them?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:40 PM

No worse than we got in 2008…yet. Time will tell, I suppose.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I work for a health care agency. I know about fraud when it comes to medicare or medicaid. I also know that if there are proven cases of fraud that people go to jail and efforts are made to recoup the losses…that means the people who perpetrated the fraud are punished and the money is returned to the taxpayer.

Not even Obama tried to accuse Romney of medicare fraud.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

I am not going to look for the link… A month before the feds closed in, Romney (Bain) sold the company to another company, corning? maybe, that company paid the fines and closed it down.

Of course, Bain would not have been able to make the sell without the increased profits the fraud caused. Also, the investigations likely do not find all the fraud perpetrated, usually a small part that gets paid back.

The point is, he did take government money for his business investments, and not only did so, did so poorly.

He was never the remarkable CEO people make him out to be. Everything he ever accomplished was done financially, no great executive expertise. Hence the poor Romney Aides and Campaign.

He used a billion dollars to accomplish what McCain did on half that amount.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM

It’s amazing how many stupid people think that it’s a cinch to defeat an incumbent president who has the unqualified support of 90% of the media, 90% of the entertainment industry, 95% of academia and a culture where 50% of the citizenry depends on government largesse for food and shelter.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

The Die Hard Romney supporters keep moving the goal posts.

This is sad.

portlandon on November 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

but if the socalled base was not ready to go out and vote for Romney instead of Obama..

They weren’t different enough to get excited about.

then we need a new base.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Democratic thinking too. Support amnesty because the citizens aren’t performing as they want. Fiscal conservatives didn’t want a big government progressive, and social conservatives didn’t want Romney’s progressive views.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Palil’s call for a brokered convention had no effect on anything. Romney already had the delegates locked up.

Romney simply selected an inept campaign team with the likes of Andrea Sual (when you hire veterans from the McCain team you are asking for trouble), Kevin Madden who has a worse record during the past 10 years than the Detroit Lions and Mr. “Etch-a-S ketch.”

If you are Basilsbest, I’d hate to see Basilsworst.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:41 PM

It was not just Palin;s call for a brokered convention.It was a contentious primary season with a lot of weirdness going on…Romney took a beating. And he was running against an incumbent with a unified party and an adoring media.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I work for a health care agency. I know about fraud when it comes to medicare or medicaid.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Question: From what I read, I get the impression that foreign-born doctors and practicioners are most often the ones involved in fraudulant schemes. Is this a correct assumption?

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The only thing that anyone was robbed of was the votes of people, such as myself, who didn’t want Romney as the candidate but didn’t count in the process because our primaries were too late.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:41 PM

More and more people are just walking away from the entire scam.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

The only thing that anyone was robbed of was the votes of people, such as myself, who didn’t want Romney as the candidate but didn’t count in the process because our primaries were too late.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:41 PM

More and more people are just walking away from the entire scam.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

And I hope that by 2016, the GOP implodes and goes the way of the Whigs.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Or maybe they are a bunch of spoiled brats who figure that if they can not get what they want then to hell with everyone else.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Why should conservatives vote for progressive views?

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Democratic thinking too. Support amnesty because the citizens aren’t performing as they want. Fiscal conservatives didn’t want a big government progressive, and social conservatives didn’t want Romney’s progressive views.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:44 P

Romney did not support amnesty. A lot of people think that hurt him.

Fiscal conservatives supported Romney by a huge margin over Obama.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

And I hope that by 2016, the GOP implodes and goes the way of the Whigs.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

It’s splitting apart with libertarians, social conservatives, and Democratic-lites going their separate ways.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Why should conservatives vote for progressive views?

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Because that’s the only way we’re going to win!

/OrSomething

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Come to think of it, you guys are right. I remember in the exit polling that 20% of voters said that would have voted for Romney except Sarah Palin called for a brokered convention in July so they voted for Obama instead. lol.

Talk about grasping at straws.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I don’t want to offend people…but if the socalled base was not ready to go out and vote for Romney instead of Obama..then we need a new base. That just pisses me off. What the hell? They moaned about Obama for years…and then they sit home? Screw them.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Trying to be nice, but are you reading what I type?

I said the base did turn out. Grudgingly… Thus, they did not sell Romney to their friends, even if they tried, they failed, because they were not sold on him.

So, you want me to vote for Romney? Why?

Well, because, um, ah, Obama is terrible!

Ok, well, is Romney awesome?

Um, ah, well, no, he is just kind of sort of, um, ah, less terrible!, yeah less terrible is Romney, you should vote for him.

Um, I got work that day…

Well, there is early voting, saturday then?

Um, ah, yeah, about that, I got a pedicure planned…

Monday, after work, I can pick you up…

No, I do not think so.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Why should conservatives vote for progressive views?

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

What makes you think the people who sat out the election were conservatives?

I find it hard to believe that a real conservative would sit back with his thumb up his butt and let Obama win a second term.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Her asinine call for a brokered convention prolonged the primary and delayed or prevented Romney from doing everything the geniuses here said he should have done. Does this help? Or are you still a fool?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

She DID NOT call for a brokered convention.

She wanted a contested primary like the rest of us did.

Despite being alienated, demeaned, dismissed and disrespected, Sarah Palin put all that aside and urged people to support Romney.

Yet …. people continue to attack her.

Truly disgusting.

portlandon on November 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Show me where she called for a brokered convention, Butch. Just tell me where she uttered a call for it once. gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Listen up groper. I suggest you Google “Palin calls for brokered convention” and you will find all kinds of articles where she is suggesting it would be a great thing and she’d be willing to serve.

Start here

In an interview with CNN on Tuesday, Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin did not shoot down the idea of accepting a proposal to run for president should the Republican presidential race lead to an open convention in August.

“Anything is possible. I don’t close any doors that perhaps would be open out there, so, no, I wouldn’t close that door,” Palin said after casting her vote in Alaska’s Republican caucuses. “My plan is to be at that convention.”

Sure she was asked the question by a CNN reporter. But the Sage of Wasilla could easily have replied that she looked forward to getting behind one of the four great candidates when they’re nominated in Tampa; she could have said that the only people talking about an open convention are liberal reporters intent on sabotaging the eventual GOP nominee; she could have spouted any sort of bland non-answer answer, but instead she deliberately left the proverbial door open.

[Check out political cartoons about Palin.]

Her response brought to mind two observations.

First: For all the fantasy talk about an open or brokered GOP convention, the only people who are mentioning Sarah Palin as a possible white knight candidate are Palin herself and the CNN reporter. The names that usually come up are Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan … even Jeb Bush. Palin is last cycle’s news.

Second: The whole notion of a brokered convention should be a nightmare for any sober-minded Republican. For one thing, all of the would be white knights have weaknesses: Daniels annoys social conservatives and has a charisma deficit; Christie suffers from moderate apostasy on issues like immigration, gun control, and climate change; Ryan’s Medicare “overhaul” plan is politically toxic; Bush is, well, a Bush.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Fiscal conservatives supported voted for Romney by a huge margin over Obama.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Don’t confuse my vote with my support, please.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Because that’s the only way we’re going to win!

/OrSomething

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM

And if you don’t want to vote for that slightly less rancid version of progressivism, you are a filthy Truecon traitor.

sharrukin on November 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I don’t want to offend people…but if the socalled base was not ready to go out and vote for Romney instead of Obama..then we need a new base. That just pisses me off. What the hell? They moaned about Obama for years…and then they sit home? Screw them.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM
+ 100..Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on November 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Actually, I was being a bit facetious. My point is those people were not really the base nor were they really conservative…because if they were we would need a new base. I am sorry if I am not being plain. I should use sarc tags or something.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

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