Video: Romney aide Dan Senor rips GOP officials for turning on him

posted at 6:36 pm on November 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Politico, he doesn’t name names but he’s clearly talking about Jindal and Scott Walker at least, both of whom have been outspoken in criticizing Romney’s post-election comments about Obama buying voters with taxpayer “gifts” and both of whom were at the Ohio rally that Senor mentions. Rubio and Kelly Ayotte were also there and have also had critical things to say, although their criticism was gentler. I was thinking about that gigantic Ohio rally this morning while looking at these sweet/sad pics of Romney at Disneyland. Three weeks ago, the guy was sincerely convinced that he was about to be elected president of the United States. He had a transition website in the works and everything. He watched his father’s presidential ambitions explode, suffered dozens of bitter defeats at the Senate and presidential primary levels, and endured being called a RINO and an establishment loser finally to end up that night as the star of the Republican show in front of 30,000 hopeful people. And now, three weeks later, he’s riding the teacups, with nothing to do except watch 2016′s presidential aspirants use him as a scapegoat for the party’s demographic challenges. Amazing.

When McCain lost, he went back to national business in the Senate. Dole resigned from the Senate during his presidential campaign but he’d already spent 27 years there and was in his 70s when he lost to Clinton. Before Dole, the last GOP nominee who lost an election without ever serving as president was Goldwater, and he too eventually returned to the Senate. Romney’s in uncharted waters in modern times as a guy who got tantalizingly close to the brass ring and not only didn’t get it but was immediately returned to national semi-obscurity afterward. How do you process that psychologically? It might not be as difficult for him if he were older or in worse health, as he’d at least have the relief of retirement ahead. But he doesn’t look like a man who’s eager for retirement; he’s the picture of health and vigor. Is being named CEO of some company enough to help him decelerate from being almost Leader of the Free World to waiting in line to ride Space Mountain? That’s why Senor’s so defensive on his behalf, I think. It’s not just that Jindal and Walker and other 2016 hopefuls are transparently opportunistic in clubbing him. It’s that the guy’s dealing with one of the worst cases of status whiplash in recent American history. If you’re an influential Republican, let him breathe for a minute before piling on, maybe.

Exit quotation from an unnamed Romney aide:

“Yet he went out and won the nomination,” wrote the aide in an email exchange. “Without putting in a dime of his own money. How did he do it? Well, more than anything there were the [primary season] debates. The debates proved that Romney was the most appealing Republican in the crowd. Appealing to VOTERS. Republican voters.”

“So I would be very hesitant,” the aide continued, “to believe that suddenly those who are criticizing Mitt Romney now are any more right than those who did for much of the last year and a half.”


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If only Mitt had embraced transgenderism and infanticide, we would be giving thanks for gaining the White House.Fiscal conservatism and social dissolution is the recipe!

vilebody on November 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Willard, the great manager, ran a “referendum on the economy” Massachusetts RINO campaign. He believed his hapless consultants who sold him on a prevent defense campaign.He played within the media’s parameters as to what a honorable “gentleman’s” campaign should focus on.The maniacal Dems eat his lunch.He deserved to lose!
wraithby on November 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It’s amazing how many stupid people think that it’s a cinch to defeat an incumbent president who has the unqualified support of 90% of the media, 90% of the entertainment industry, 95% of academia and a culture where 50% of the citizenry depends on government largesse for food and shelter.

Who feeds and dresses you fools?

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Which group of rinos controls the repub side?

Besides massive voter fraud which I believe cost Romney the election, something is very wrong in the repub party. They
blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, conservatives, “right wingers”
(whomever they are) and now Romney.

Who is running the show; who is “Oz”? Does anyone have names?

Amjean on November 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I am not buying this. Here in Indiana, the GOP nominee for the Senate was the Tea Party candidate Richard Mourdock. A lot of money came from out of state to support him during the primary. Mitch Daniels supported Lugar. We were told that Mourdock was the true conservative and Lugar was a rino. And then of course Mourdock imploded in a spectacular way. Romney on the other hand won this state by 10 points. So who do you think gets the credit and the blame here in Indiana?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

And yet another reason why Mitt lost: Dan Senor

stenwin77 on November 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Willard, the great manager, ran a “referendum on the economy” Massachusetts RINO campaign. He believed his hapless consultants who sold him on a prevent defense campaign.He played within the media’s parameters as to what a honorable “gentleman’s” campaign should focus on.The maniacal Dems eat his lunch.He deserved to lose!
wraithby on November 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

What a load of crap this is.

Yeah, we need a fighter like Allen…oh yeah, he lost.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

A Liberal-Lite is never going to beat the real deal Liberal.

Until we nominate a true conservative to give Americans an actual choice, I don’t see us winning.

Take notes, GOP.

stenwin77 on November 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

And yet another reason why Mitt lost: Dan Senor

stenwin77 on November 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

How is that? Was it Senor who told Akin and Mourdock to play into the hands of the media and the Democrats with their utterly ridiculous comments about rape? Was it Senor who originally brought up vulture capitalism and the evils of Bain? No,it was Perry and Gingrich. Was it Senor who was responsible for the fact that the media was totally in the tank for Obama? Or that Republicans would rather trash either than the other party?

No, I do not think so.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Another HotAir banner headline:

BREAKING NEWS: MITT SUPPORTERS STILL ROOT FOR THE LOSER

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I am not buying this. Here in Indiana, the GOP nominee for the Senate was the Tea Party candidate Richard Mourdock. A lot of money came from out of state to support him during the primary. Mitch Daniels supported Lugar. We were told that Mourdock was the true conservative and Lugar was a rino. And then of course Mourdock imploded in a spectacular way. Romney on the other hand won this state by 10 points. So who do you think gets the credit and the blame here in Indiana?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Right. The ironic thing about all the Mitt bashing by these so-called GOP leaders is that Mitt ran better in all these red states than the more conservative GOP Senate candidates did. Both Allen West and Misa Love lost, as well, the latter in a district and a state Romney won going away. The Republican Party needs to look inward, not blame all this on Romney.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Timin203 on November 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I defer to you both on the pro-Romney & anti-Gingrich slant of HotAir during the primaries, and particularly – it’s starting to come back to me – during the critical pre-Florida primary week after Gingrich won South Carolina.

There was a such a powerful establishment push-back against Gingrich at that time from so many parties, that I think the HotAir part of it wasn’t so predominant in my mind because it was done in a more offensive way by others (but Erika Johnson’s stupid & ill-informed post after Gingrich conceded, calling him a RINO, still rankles.)

Gingrich will be 73 in 2016; old, but not ancient. Let’s say he loses 50 pounds, and has an otherwise healthy appearance & clean bill of health. Is it possible…? Ed Morrissey speculated about this just 1 or 2 days ago.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

A Liberal-Lite is never going to beat the real deal Liberal.

Until we nominate a true conservative to give Americans an actual choice, I don’t see us winning.

Take notes, GOP.

stenwin77 on November 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Oh yeah. We need more winners like Angle and Mourdock and Angle. Sure.

Romney was without a date the best choice we had. A lot of these socalled true conservatives people seem to think would have been better did not bother to run.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Good for you Terrye, but you forgot Christie’s hug-a-thug meltdown.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Everyone on here knows my thoughts on Romney having been a supporter of his since his first run. I find it amazing that many repubs and conservatives are so quick to blame him. You had tens of thousands of voters show up in PA, WI, OH, etc at rallies like McCian, Dole, etc never had show up and yet Rush is correct, Romney, and we as conservatives have not realized the dumbing down of the electorate via the education system in our country.

After all,it is appealing, go to work and earn a living or stay at home and get a free phone, food stamps, unemployment for 2 years and then roll that over into disability, and all the other non-working perks. I mean it is tantalizing…if I didn’t have any moral fiber in my bones.

No, Romney lost because he actually believed, as we all did, that people WANT to work and better their lives for themselves. Boy, were we wrong.

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Time to move on already. He would’ve fared far worse against Obama. People were hesitant to warm to Romney, but Gingrich has been disliked for quite a while now. In fact, when he announced most everyone here mocked him for it.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Here is an idea for a moron like yourself.

The evidence you have indicate that you believe Newt would have done worse than Romney; You cannot prove it, so you should make the argument open for that inability to KNOW.

I was part of the group that mocked Newt for Joining, I was a very anti Newt person in November/December, then I learned the truth about the man. I sent him five letters in that time and five before while he was thinking about it that he might as well write me off his list of supporters. I hated his Pelosi couch and a couple other things.

You are still stuck with the media spin in your head, like I was at the time.

When you understand the real reason newt does the things he does, you understand that is how he got conservative things done in Congress with just the House of Representatives in the control of Republicans, many of those Republicans being the old school 60′s types that loved big government and liked the accoutrements of power.

Anyways. My view of a Newt candidacy is every bit as valid as yours. Neither of us could prove what would have happened short of a dimensional mirror that could see other realities, such as one where he ran, and even then likely would have both outcomes.

Romney on the other hand is a known entity now. The arguments I and others made in January and so forth against him stood the test of history. I think my prognostication skills show value.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Gingrich will be 73 in 2016; old, but not ancient. Let’s say he loses 50 pounds, and has an otherwise healthy appearance & clean bill of health. Is it possible…? Ed Morrissey speculated about this just 1 or 2 days ago.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Yes, he has been busy running to all the media people stabbing his fellow Republicans in the back and trying to get on the good side of the folks who matter…the media.

He was talking amnesty and trashing capitalism just like he was one of them back during the primaries.

It is interesting how Romney had to go to the right of Perry and Gingrich on immigration to get the support of conservatives and now there are people on the right out there whining about him. Figures.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

There was a such a powerful establishment push-back against Gingrich at that time from so many parties, that I think the HotAir part of it wasn’t so predominant in my mind because it was done in a more offensive way by others (but Erika Johnson’s stupid & ill-informed post after Gingrich conceded, calling him a RINO, still rankles.)

Gingrich will be 73 in 2016; old, but not ancient. Let’s say he loses 50 pounds, and has an otherwise healthy appearance & clean bill of health. Is it possible…? Ed Morrissey speculated about this just 1 or 2 days ago.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

How about a fresh set of faces and no retreads at all?

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Romney started to grow on me – and he would have been a better president than Obama by several orders of magnitude – but I’m starting to get tired of this false narrative about what a nice, sweet, wholesome guy he was.

In the Republican primaries, Romney knew he couldn’t run on his RINO record, so he achieved victory by flooding the zone with tens of millions of dollars worth of negative advertizing, making claims about his his opponents that Romney personally knew were garbage. This included trumpeting the false “ethics” charges that Democratic Congressional opponents filed against Newt Gingrich, and deceptively editing Gingrich’s words, to make it seem like Gingrich was lambasting Ronald Reagan. And so, with money and unscrupulousness, Romney bought victory & became the Republican nominee.

And then Romney came up against a Democratic campaign crew with even more money and even less respect for truth. And that crew did to Romney what Romney did to Gingrich & Santorum & Perry. And then Romeny – who wanted to be president primarily because he simply wanted to be president – lost. It would be poetic justice, except now we are all the losers.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Good post. What went around came around, in his case.

Romney is not a sinless saint, nor is he that good of a politician, and it’s dumb and counterproductive to protect him from deserving criticism over his politically tin-eared “gifts” comment.

Anti-Control on November 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

The fact is, being republican is not a team sport. The rugged individual, the entrepreneur, “leave me alone I can get this done” personalities are not team players. Occasionally someone like Ronnie will come along and bring these independent forces together. But Ronnie was an anomaly, not the norm. He came from a social business, was a democrat and a dreamer. But his dream was the American Dream, and he knew how to make you think you could share it.

Today’s republicans, not so much.

RINOs are people too on November 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

In a few years when Jerry Brown and the Dems have all but destroyed California and we need a reform minded Repub palatable to blue staters…

Romney for Governor of California!

MunDane68 on November 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Good for you Terrye, but you forgot Christie’s hug-a-thug meltdown.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I know…but I was willing to cut Christie some slack because he had an actual crisis to deal with…the rest of these guys are just idiots.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I think Newt is awesome, but I would hope for someone with less baggage. I do not think in 2012 that baggage would have been as devastating to him as it will be in 2016 when he is running against a fresh unknown.

Sarah maybe, Walker possibly, Perry could run again, if he practices his debating skills in the mean time and does not get hurt again. I really do like Newt, but I just do not see it as being as good of a shot at winning in 2016 as he would have this election cycle, unless he ends up going against Hillary that is.
I still say Obama was eminently beatable this go around, and McCain and Romney make it look like they were aiming to lose.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Another HotAir banner headline:

BREAKING NEWS: MITT SUPPORTERS STILL ROOT FOR THE LOSER

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I defended Palin’s decision to quit and criticized csdeven for his criticism of Palin. How would you like it if the headline read:

BREAKING NEWS: PALIN SUPPORTERS STILL PINE FOR THE QUITTER.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Romney for Governor of California!

MunDane68 on November 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I was thinking the same thing when I heard he was moving there permanently. I wonder if he will finally change party to his rightful place though. Then again, after Republican Arnold…

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Romney is not a sinless saint, nor is he that good of a politician, and it’s dumb and counterproductive to protect him from deserving criticism over his politically tin-eared “gifts” comment.

Anti-Control on November 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Why is that tin eared? On one hand people want him to fight and speak his mind, on the other hand he is not supposed to even make a statement that we all know is true.

I have heard Republicans say the same thing a thousand times. Just like I have heard Democrats say that people who vote Republican are either racist or they are greedy people who do not want to pay their fair share of taxes.

When Romney made that comment he was out of the race, it was over. He was not running for anything anymore.

So, he is supposed to say that Obama won because he is the better man or what?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Another HotAir banner headline:

BREAKING NEWS: MITT SUPPORTERS STILL ROOT FOR THE LOSER

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I defended Palin’s decision to quit and criticized csdeven for his criticism of Palin. How would you like it if the headline read:

BREAKING NEWS: PALIN SUPPORTERS STILL PINE FOR THE QUITTER.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Indeed.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

HAHA Delusion from the guy who’s candidate went to disneyworld.

Is Kolob next? Or just his own planet, I can’t decipher reformed egyptian hieroglyphics without my…

tom daschle concerned on November 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

When you understand the real reason newt does the things he does, you understand that is how he got conservative things done in Congress with just the House of Representatives in the control of Republicans, many of those Republicans being the old school 60′s types that loved big government and liked the accoutrements of power.

Anyways. My view of a Newt candidacy is every bit as valid as yours. Neither of us could prove what would have happened short of a dimensional mirror that could see other realities, such as one where he ran, and even then likely would have both outcomes.

Romney on the other hand is a known entity now. The arguments I and others made in January and so forth against him stood the test of history. I think my prognostication skills show value.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The fact you resort to name calling says plenty about the value of your opinions, to say nothing of your alleged prognostication skills.

And congrats…you didn’t want an impure Republican winning, and he didn’t. You got what you wanted.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

BREAKING NEWS: PALIN SUPPORTERS STILL PINE FOR THE QUITTER.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yawn….

idesign on November 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

It is interesting how Romney had to go to the right of Perry and Gingrich on immigration to get the support of conservatives and now there are people on the right out there whining about him. Figures.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

So, you are saying it was all fake. The little bit of conservatism Romney had… Nice take out from it all. Of course, I knew that going in. I call it research.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

How about a fresh set of faces and no retreads at all?

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I think that is probably a good idea. After all, that is what Obama was in 2004. That is why people got interested.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Gingrich will be 73 in 2016; old, but not ancient. Let’s say he loses 50 pounds, and has an otherwise healthy appearance & clean bill of health. Is it possible…? Ed Morrissey speculated about this just 1 or 2 days ago. BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Ed, who I dearly love, supported the completely unelectable Santorum. Bluegill destroyed Santorum all by himself by quoting Santorum’s absurd statements on birth control.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I think that is probably a good idea. After all, that is what Obama was in 2004. That is why people got interested.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I think that was part of it. We’ve had two cycles now of lousy candidates…time for some new blood.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I defended Palin’s decision to quit and criticized csdeven for his criticism of Palin. How would you like it if the headline read:

BREAKING NEWS: PALIN SUPPORTERS STILL PINE FOR THE QUITTER.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

You’re barking up the wrong tree with me, Butch. I think it would be a gigantic mistake for Palin to pursue national office. Not because I think she’s not suited for it; she is. Not because I don’t think she’d do a good job; she would. I think she should avoid running for anything more important than Wasila Dog Catcher for two simple reasons:

A) She doesn’t have to.

B) It is in her own self-interest not to.

Lest you forget, I repeatedly reminded the Palin backers that there was never any guarantee that she was going to run. And she didn’t. And I was disappointed. And I survived. Big freaking deal. She didn’t run and lose. Mitt did. Now, while the Republican intelligentsia and glitterati engage in navel gazing and thinking about how they can out-liberal the Democrats in 2016 (yet again), those of us with real jobs and bills to pay will be worrying about how to survive the forthcoming socio-economic-polito-cultural collapse.And YOU have the nerve to remind ME that I was hoping Palin would run?! That’s all you got?!

Mitt lost! And he didn’t lose by just a little; he lost decisively, and the folks that backed him honestly want us to believe that he and they did the best they could for our country. Bullshit. I just refuse to believe it.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

One of the reasons Gingrich would have lost worse than Romney is that he would have run as “Callista and I.” Ann Romney is a class act. Callista – not so much.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The fact you resort to name calling says plenty about the value of your opinions, to say nothing of your alleged prognostication skills.

And congrats…you didn’t want an impure Republican winning, and he didn’t. You got what you wanted.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Poor baby. You need to call in your mommy now? Want to have the government take action against me?

I describe you as a moron, because, well, its DESCRIPTIVE. Like PROGRESSIVE is descriptive of Romney and his supporters. Also Delusional for many of them, or downright malevolent if not that. They are DESCRIPTIVE terms, not name calling. It indicates the value I give to your opinion.

You are right, I did get what I wanted, with respect to the two contenders. Then again, I did vote for the TURD (note, that is a descriptive statement, not a name) Romney, so I have that stain on my soul.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

It is interesting how Romney had to go to the right of Perry and Gingrich on immigration to get the support of conservatives and now there are people on the right out there whining about him. Figures.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

So, you are saying it was all fake. The little bit of conservatism Romney had… Nice take out from it all. Of course, I knew that going in. I call it research.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

No, that is not what I am saying. Romney had always been more conservative on that issue than Gingrich or Perry. In fact, Romney did not support the comprehensive immigration bill that was being debated in Bush’s second term. Gingrich has long supported comprehensive reform and so has Perry. What I am saying is that during the primary, Romney had to make a point of letting the primary voters know that he was going to be tough on this issue, because that was the conservative position. He could not soften it or talk about compromise in anyway.

And by the way, if conservatives are actually willing to overlook Gingrich’s stand on this issue, then why should any of them lecture Romney on his consistency?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I am not buying this. Here in Indiana, the GOP nominee for the Senate was the Tea Party candidate Richard Mourdock. A lot of money came from out of state to support him during the primary. Mitch Daniels supported Lugar. We were told that Mourdock was the true conservative and Lugar was a rino. And then of course Mourdock imploded in a spectacular way. Romney on the other hand won this state by 10 points. So who do you think gets the credit and the blame here in Indiana?
Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Mourdock was a bad candidate. Lugar was a bad Senator. I’d prefer neither. Need to find a good candidate that will be a good Senator. Shouldn’t be hard in Indiana.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

HAHA Delusion from the guy who’s candidate went to disneyworld.

Is Kolob next? Or just his own planet, I can’t decipher reformed egyptian hieroglyphics without my…

tom daschle concerned on November 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Bigot.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

One of the reasons Gingrich would have lost worse than Romney is that he would have run as “Callista and I.” Ann Romney is a class act. Callista – not so much.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

She sure brought the votes in. I am sure Romney got 12 million and Ann pulled the other 38ish million in.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

And then Romney came up against a Democratic campaign crew with even more money and even less respect for truth. And that crew did to Romney what Romney did to Gingrich & Santorum & Perry. And then Romeny – who wanted to be president primarily because he simply wanted to be president – lost. It would be poetic justice, except now we are all the losers.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Good post. What went around came around, in his case.

Romney is not a sinless saint, nor is he that good of a politician, and it’s dumb and counterproductive to protect him from deserving criticism over his politically tin-eared “gifts” comment.

Anti-Control on November 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Romney did not want to become president just to become president! The guys entire life has been one of service. He didn’t NEED to do this. He assumed with the country in dire financial crisis, as it still is, he would fix it but unfortunately, there are too many people out in America today that want the free stuff. And, yes, that comment is true whether you believe it or not. This is why many people vote Democrat because they are the ones promising all the goodies.

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Bigot.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

It is a description of his actual religious beliefs. Whats the problem there?

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Mourdock was a bad candidate. Lugar was a bad Senator. I’d prefer neither. Need to find a good candidate that will be a good Senator. Shouldn’t be hard in Indiana.
besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Lugur wouldn’t have made a stupid statement which would have pushed the needle against us.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Gingrich trashed Romney; he didn’t trash any Republican. Remember, Romney is a void who had been running for President for almost a decade. Romney wanted to be president primarily because he wanted to be president. For him, it was the next thing to do.

As for immigration, Romney ran to the right of Newt on that issue in the primaries, then veered radically Left during the general, to the extent that he would clam up when asked about the Dream Act or about Obama’s de-facto amnesty through non-enforcement. While Newt had a rather standard Republican, enforcement-first “control the borders but we can’t depart all who already made it here” position.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Romney did not want to become president just to become president! The guys entire life has been one of service. He didn’t NEED to do this. He assumed with the country in dire financial crisis, as it still is, he would fix it but unfortunately, there are too many people out in America today that want the free stuff. And, yes, that comment is true whether you believe it or not. This is why many people vote Democrat because they are the ones promising all the goodies.

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Riiight. Just like Obama’s goal was service all along. And like Clinton’s goal was (being) service(d). If you really believe that, I got a bridge to sell you.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Another HotAir banner headline:

BREAKING NEWS: MITT SUPPORTERS STILL ROOT FOR THE LOSER

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

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I’m casting dispersions upon all my (multiple expletives) fellow Americans who voted for Obama.

If I list all of Mitt’s qualifications alongside Barack’s dis-qualifications, in a comment here, does that constitute “ROOTING FOR THE LOSER”?

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Mitt lost! And he didn’t lose by just a little; he lost decisively, and the folks that backed him honestly want us to believe that he and they did the best they could for our country. Bullshit. I just refuse to believe it.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

7 million fewer people voted for Obama this time..this was not a huge win for Obama..it was about 2%. It would have been closer if some of those McCain voters had shown up.

I think Romney really tried to win this thing. I do not blame him, I blame the people who voted for Obama.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Who is running the show; who is “Oz”? Does anyone have names?

Amjean on November 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Darn good questions.

kim roy on November 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Actually, Romney started running for President about 2005 or 2006, well before the financial crisis, when to all appearances the American economy was doing alright.

Romney wanted to be President because he wanted to be President.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Mitt lost! And he didn’t lose by just a little; he lost decisively, and the folks that backed him honestly want us to believe that he and they did the best they could for our country. Bullshit. I just refuse to believe it.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

To be fair, we have to figure a way to totally discredit the media. They portrayed Romney as a rich, heartless person and a flip-flopper. The media would have criticized Santorum as a religious fanatic and really pushed the War on Women. With Gingrich, it would have been all the baggage he carries and his space station on the moon would have been fodder for Saturday Night Live.

While I don’t normally agree with him, BORe believed the media was worth 3% – 5%. If he was right, that’s more than the difference in the election.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

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Riiight. Just like Obama’s goal was service all along. And like Clinton’s goal was (being) service(d). If you really believe that, I got a bridge to sell you.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

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Whom do you believe has the “purest motives” (if anyone)?

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Can you name one Immediate Family member of his that ever served the nation in say, the military?

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

No, that is not what I am saying. Romney had always been more conservative on that issue than Gingrich or Perry. In fact, Romney did not support the comprehensive immigration bill that was being debated in Bush’s second term. Gingrich has long supported comprehensive reform and so has Perry.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

It was fake. Or perceived as fake, so as to make no difference. And it was a mistake. But fit well in with his asinine strategy of wasting his money blitzing his opponents with negative ads rather than creating a positive message about himself, his policy proposals, and free market solutions, generally.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I’m casting dispersions upon all my (multiple expletives) fellow Americans who voted for Obama.

If I list all of Mitt’s qualifications alongside Barack’s dis-qualifications, in a comment here, does that constitute “ROOTING FOR THE LOSER”?

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I didn’t vote for Obama. I hesitantly and with much reluctance filled in the little circle beside “ROMNEY/RYAN (REPUBLICAN).” And Mitt lost, even with my help. His supporters, or many of them, seem to want us to believe he did the best he could, and that nominating him was the best we could do. What did I miss here? Mitt’s a loser in the sense that he lost the election. That’s a fact, not open to debate or interpretation.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

You are right, I did get what I wanted, with respect to the two contenders. Then again, I did vote for the TURD (note, that is a descriptive statement, not a name) Romney, so I have that stain on my soul.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

And you have the gall to call others morons, when you admit you preferred Obama? If you’re going to engage in projection, try not to be so obvious about it.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

As for immigration, Romney ran to the right of Newt on that issue in the primaries, then veered radically Left during the general, to the extent that he would clam up when asked about the Dream Act or about Obama’s de-facto amnesty through non-enforcement. While Newt had a rather standard Republican, enforcement-first “control the borders but we can’t depart all who already made it here” position.

BCrago66 on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

That is a lie. Romney never went to the left on this issue…maybe if he would have he might have gotten more than 27% of the hispanic vote.

And btw, Romney was not a void. Not if you made a half ass attempt to educate yourself on who the candidates were. I read his book for starters and I actually read about his accomplishments. I was impressed with Romney, I still am.

And Gingrich would trash his mother if he thought it would him win an election.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

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Whom do you believe has the “purest motives” (if anyone)?

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Sarah Palin. Her motives were pure enough for her to decide to stay out of this sorry flustercuck.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Dan Senor probably cost Mitt some votes.

Punchenko on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Right. The ironic thing about all the Mitt bashing by these so-called GOP leaders is that Mitt ran better in all these red states than the more conservative GOP Senate candidates did. Both Allen West and Misa Love lost, as well, the latter in a district and a state Romney won going away. The Republican Party needs to look inward, not blame all this on Romney.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

What happened with Mia Love? West was redistricted (yet another “thanks” to the GOP), but she was apparently doing quite well and a post just before the election put her at something like 12% ahead of her opponent.

kim roy on November 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I think Romney really tried to win this thing. I do not blame him, I blame the people who voted for Obama.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

He did the best he could do? Really?! Terry, I seem to recall that even you blanched at Romney’s “Obama’s a really nice guy” remarks. You may believe that in your heart-of-hearts, but I don’t. The first, and perhaps biggest mistake we made was nominating him.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

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I think Romney really tried to win this thing. I do not blame him, I blame the people who voted for Obama.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

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Also, those who voted for Ron Paul.

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

7 million fewer people voted for Obama this time..this was not a huge win for Obama..it was about 2%. It would have been closer if some of those McCain voters had shown up.

I think Romney really tried to win this thing. I do not blame him, I blame the people who voted for Obama.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Romney has ended up with more votes than McCain, actually, so those voters did show up. But, there are more Democrats, and too many of them showed up too.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Lest you forget, I repeatedly reminded the Palin backers that there was never any guarantee that she was going to run. And she didn’t. And I was disappointed. And I survived.

I forgot that you repeatedly reminded the Palin backers.

Good grief I have a life. I’m supposed to remember that you repeatedly reminded the Palin backers.

And she didn’t. And I was disappointed. And I survived.

You survived Palin not running. Forgive me. I didn’t even notice that your life is a soap opera.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

And you have the gall to call others morons, when you admit you preferred Obama? If you’re going to engage in projection, try not to be so obvious about it.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Like everything untested by actual activity, I saw Romney running the government the same old progressive way his views are. After 4 years of Romney failing, the media putting those failures front and center, we would be ripe for another Obama and Conservatism would take yet another beating into the dirt. Short term Romney better, long term Obama better.

Evidence? History. No Bush, no Obama. No first Bush, no Clinton. Thus leads me to believe nominating progressive Romney would lead to an even worse D as President in 2016 for 8 years, along with another filibuster proof majority Democrat Senate.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

He did the best he could do? Really?! Terry, I seem to recall that even you blanched at Romney’s “Obama’s a really nice guy” remarks. You may believe that in your heart-of-hearts, but I don’t. The first, and perhaps biggest mistake we made was nominating him.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Of course it was a mistake nominating him, but the field wasn’t that great and every candidate had issues.

Having said that, I’m not sure what tone you (and others) would have liked Romney to take with Obama considering the democrats own the media.

kim roy on November 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

You survived Palin not running. Forgive me. I didn’t even notice that your life is a soap opera.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I wish. Soap operas generally involve wealthy doctors or industrialists with loose morals, numerous beautiful wives, and no long-term consequences for their behavior. I should be so lucky. ROFLMAO

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

The problem with Jindal, Rubio and all those guys is what they’re criticizing Romney for. It’s this lame, PC, sensitive MSM approved BS. Bill Whittle has a much deeper critique of Romney that doesn’t rely on sucking up to moderates. It’s really important for Republicans to understand. Unfortunately, the possible GOP ’16 contenders are already missing the point.

Dongemaharu on November 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

It was fake. Or perceived as fake, so as to make no difference. And it was a mistake. But fit well in with his asinine strategy of wasting his money blitzing his opponents with negative ads rather than creating a positive message about himself, his policy proposals, and free market solutions, generally.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

It was fake or it was perceived as fake? By whom? The same people who would have voted for Gingrich even though he always supported comprehensive immigration reform?

That is my point, you can go back years and Romney’s record on this issue was more conservative…and yet people still whine.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

What happened with Mia Love? West was redistricted (yet another “thanks” to the GOP), but she was apparently doing quite well and a post just before the election put her at something like 12% ahead of her opponent.

Newsflash: the polls weren’t accurate.

However, the silver lining is that, given the razor-thin margin of her loss, if she runs again in 2014 she’s the odds-on favorite to win the seat, given the lower off-year turnout and her own inherent appeal. She just needs to keep her profile up and get out there connecting with the voters of the district.

Make no mistake, though: Jim Matheson is one tough SOB for a reason. His name is gold in Utah (father was a popular governor, well-respected name in the LDS church) and he’s cut a very moderate profile in the House (voted against the Stimulus and Obamacare, among other things). If he ever retires, it’s likely GOP pickup. As long he hangs around, it’ll take a candidate of Mia Love’s caliber to dislodge him.

Esoteric on November 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I think Romney really tried to win this thing. I do not blame him, I blame the people who voted for Obama.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I agree with you, but for someone who has been working on a Presidential run for 5-6 years and spent tens of millions of his own funds, he ran an incredibly poor campaign with people like Andrea Saul, the “Etch a Sketch” guy, Kevin Madden Mike Murphy and the rest of the usual “Republican Strategist” losers.

The Daily Caller had an article yesterday on how Romney was paying up to four times what Obama was paying for non-preemptable TV ads in early September. If the election is two months away, why would a candidate pat a 400% premium to ensure that an ad runs between 7:00 – 8:00 PM tuesday instead of Wednesday?

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Another HotAir banner headline:

BREAKING NEWS: MITT SUPPORTERS STILL ROOT FOR THE LOSER

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I defended Palin’s decision to quit and criticized csdeven for his criticism of Palin. How would you like it if the headline read:

BREAKING NEWS: PALIN SUPPORTERS STILL PINE FOR THE QUITTER.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Funny posts. It just hit me that here we are complaining about the GOP being useless and not getting their crap together and yet we’re doing the same thing to each other. ;)

kim roy on November 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Why is that tin eared? On one hand people want him to fight and speak his mind, on the other hand he is not supposed to even make a statement that we all know is true.

For roughly the same reason you don’t call a person you find to be physically unattractive, “ugly” – there rarely is a good reason to do so.

Telling the brutal, unadulterated truth in the name of honesty is not always a sign of moral strength and courage – in fact, it’s usually a sign of immaturity, especially when speaking politically. Look at what happened to Mourdock when he failed to understand this properly.

I have heard Republicans say the same thing a thousand times. Just like I have heard Democrats say that people who vote Republican are either racist or they are greedy people who do not want to pay their fair share of taxes.

When Romney made that comment he was out of the race, it was over. He was not running for anything anymore.

So, he is supposed to say that Obama won because he is the better man or what?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

What Romney should have done is focused on what he himself could have done better, and not on the perceived flaws of the audience he was trying to sell himself to. Good salespeople understand this principle fundamentally.

Anti-Control on November 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

The problem with Jindal, Rubio and all those guys is what they’re criticizing Romney for. It’s this lame, PC, sensitive MSM approved BS. Bill Whittle has a much deeper critique of Romney that doesn’t rely on sucking up to moderates. It’s really important for Republicans to understand. Unfortunately, the possible GOP ’16 contenders are already missing the point.

Dongemaharu on November 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I hold out very little hope for 2016. The next GOP “rising star” will get into office and pull a Boehner. Not a doubt in my mind of it.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Lugur wouldn’t have made a stupid statement which would have pushed the needle against us.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

In retrospect, Lugar would have been much preferable. I don’t think Mourdock was generally known to be the fool that we later discovered. Akin and COD were disasters from the start.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

What happened with Mia Love? West was redistricted (yet another “thanks” to the GOP), but she was apparently doing quite well and a post just before the election put her at something like 12% ahead of her opponent.

kim roy on November 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Yeah, that race was even more disappointing than the presidential one. I don’t know, apparently enough Republicans that overwhelmingly went for Romney there also believed Matheson was closer to their principles than…the conservative Republican running. Madness. We talk about blue staters needing to wake up and realize that the Dems are no good, but right-leaning voters in RED states need to as well.

changer1701 on November 21, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

The difference between Newt and Romney is that Newt would look to the base and listen to them. Romney, would not even imagine listening to the Republican base, as his base is the moderates and the left of center crowd.

Newt was controllable, Romney was dead set to be progressive.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

He did the best he could do? Really?! Terry, I seem to recall that even you blanched at Romney’s “Obama’s a really nice guy” remarks. You may believe that in your heart-of-hearts, but I don’t. The first, and perhaps biggest mistake we made was nominating him.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

No..I did not blanche at that…the whole point to the he is not a bad guy he is incompetent...line was that it would make it easier for people who voted for Obama but were disenchanted with him to vote for Romney.

In the end I do not think it mattered at all. I think people voted for their self interests. They voted for what they thought was free stuff. I doubt if it would have made any difference if someone else had run. In fact, Santorum or Gingrich or Perry or Cain would have been buried. No way they would have won either.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

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Sarah Palin. Her motives were pure enough for her to decide to stay out of this sorry flustercuck.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

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If I read you correctly, there was no hope once Sarah backed out.

All of the rest of the choices were too corrupt, for you.

Am I “reading” right?

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Riiight. Just like Obama’s goal was service all along. And like Clinton’s goal was (being) service(d). If you really believe that, I got a bridge to sell you.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

His life has been one of service! When he ran the Olympics, as a governor, and as POTUS he would not have taken a salary. To compare Obama and Clinton to Romney in their service is idiotic.

Asteronii,
As a current member of the military and vet of both Iraq and AFG, it does not matter to us of Romney’s non-military background as backed by the polls where approx 70% of us backed Romney.

We are all getting too wrapped around the axle wanting to blame Romney or someone, when the bigger picture is what the last couple of generations have been taught in our schools. So as Romney, Gingrich, Palin, etc it doesn’t matter who talk about conservatism and love of country, this talk does not resonate, I guarantee, with 30-40% of the population anymore and the rest are on the Democrats side. We need to do some major educational shifts if we are going to take back our country.

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Newsflash: the polls weren’t accurate.

However, the silver lining is that, given the razor-thin margin of her loss, if she runs again in 2014 she’s the odds-on favorite to win the seat, given the lower off-year turnout and her own inherent appeal. She just needs to keep her profile up and get out there connecting with the voters of the district.

Make no mistake, though: Jim Matheson is one tough SOB for a reason. His name is gold in Utah (father was a popular governor, well-respected name in the LDS church) and he’s cut a very moderate profile in the House (voted against the Stimulus and Obamacare, among other things). If he ever retires, it’s likely GOP pickup. As long he hangs around, it’ll take a candidate of Mia Love’s caliber to dislodge him.

Esoteric on November 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Thank you for the info. I know polls can be dubious, that that much off? Someone should get a refund.

Hopefully she’ll stick with it.

kim roy on November 21, 2012 at 9:14 PM

The difference between Newt and Romney is that Newt would look to the base and listen to them. Romney, would not even imagine listening to the Republican base, as his base is the moderates and the left of center crowd.

Newt was controllable, Romney was dead set to be progressive.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Newt could not control Newt…much less could the base.

Gingrich was driven from his Speakership because of his inability to get along with members of his own party. As for being progressive, he had no problem supporting mandates himself and he most certainly did support amnesty. He also made charges against Romney’s business background that sounded like they came out of the leftist handbook.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Wha

t happened with Mia Love? West was redistricted (yet another “thanks” to the GOP), but she was apparently doing quite well and a post just before the election put her at something like 12% ahead of her opponent.

kim roy on November 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Historically Mormonism has been somewhat racist (with a ban on blacks being bishops – priests – until 1978). I am wondering if some of that prejudice didn’t work against Mia Love. Mia is a Mormon (a prerequisite for seeking office in Utah). Was she the wrong color Mormon?

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:19 PM

We are all getting too wrapped around the axle wanting to blame Romney or someone, when the bigger picture is what the last couple of generations have been taught in our schools. So as Romney, Gingrich, Palin, etc it doesn’t matter who talk about conservatism and love of country, this talk does not resonate, I guarantee, with 30-40% of the population anymore and the rest are on the Democrats side. We need to do some major educational shifts if we are going to take back our country.

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

This is true. Back in the 70s and 80s the left decided to play the long game and it paid off for them. They went into the media and the schools. They shape public opinion and they control the culture.

That is the problem.

Conservatives need to do the same thing. They have ceded education and pop culture to these people.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Historically Mormonism has been somewhat racist (with a ban on blacks being bishops – priests – until 1978). I am wondering if some of that prejudice didn’t work against Mia Love. Mia is a Mormon (a prerequisite for seeking office in Utah). Was she the wrong color Mormon?

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:19 PM

What an awful thing to say.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Gingrich was driven from his Speakership because of his inability to get along with members of his own party. As for being progressive, he had no problem supporting mandates himself and he most certainly did support amnesty. He also made charges against Romney’s business background that sounded like they came out of the leftist handbook.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Why was it that his own party pushed him out?

The mandates he supported were meant to be so unconscionable as to make passing health care legislation of the type Democrats wanted IMPOSSIBLE. Unfortunately, PROGRESSIVE BUSH destroyed the conservative party and brought in a super majority Democrat House and Democrat Senate and Democrat president that were willing to take the political hit passing it in the hopes of using it like Social Security and medicare as strings to power.

But back to why Newt got ousted. Because he MEANT THE CONTRACT WITH AMERICA and the progressive Republicans were sick and tired of GIVING UP POWER and were not willing to allow him to hamstring their abuses of power with a Constitutional Amendment to Balance the Budget in his next session or the one after which they knew he would push for relentlessly. In fact, the Progressive Republicans in the house are the ones that back stabbed him in the government shut down, the one where if he waited until Monday, Clinton was going to back down on. But Clinton told John McCain that fact, and John McCain decided to go to Newt before Friday that him and a set group were going to cave on the shut down, and Newt was forced on Friday to back down instead.

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

The child-like mentality of Palin’s supporters is clear when it it pointed out that she cluelessly called for a brokered convention in the selfish and vain hope that a brokered convention would pick her and none of her supporters are prepared to concede that it was a brain dead idea given that a brokered convention would have left the nominee with 2 months in which to organize a campaign – something that can’t reasonably be done in less than 9 months.

No lessons are being learned.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

What an awful thing to say.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Why?

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:19 PM

That’s an idiotic statement. Way to bring the level of discourse up, champ!

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I hold out very little hope for 2016. The next GOP “rising star” will get into office and pull a Boehner. Not a doubt in my mind of it.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Yeah, I don’t see anyone out there who won’t qualify every conservative statement they make. Boenerization is inevitable.

Dongemaharu on November 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Bring up that quote for me… I heard about it,

astonerii on November 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

We are all getting too wrapped around the axle wanting to blame Romney or someone, when the bigger picture is what the last couple of generations have been taught in our schools. So as Romney, Gingrich, Palin, etc it doesn’t matter who talk about conservatism and love of country, this talk does not resonate, I guarantee, with 30-40% of the population anymore and the rest are on the Democrats side. We need to do some major educational shifts if we are going to take back our country.

g2825m on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

You may have me confused with someone else. I’m not blaming Romney for anything. He lost. We are being told he ran a good campaign, and that we nominated the best person we could have — and he lost. So, if it is really true that we did the best we could, wouldn’t it be reasonable to think that America deserves four more years of Obama?

Of course I reject the idea that Romney was the best we could have done, but I’ve been tooting that horn for over a year-and-a-half now. If he wasn’t a poor nominee, there must be some other reason he lost. In all honesty, I think Mitt’s supporters are incapable of being honest with themselves about that reason — whatever it is.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Nice try braindead. Willard’s play it safe, media sensitive RINOism has a fan in you.

vilebody on November 21, 2012 at 9:27 PM

What an awful thing to say.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

How so? It was an extremely close race. The fact that Mia is black and married to a white man may have caused enough prejudiced people to vote for Matheson. That blacks were banned from being bishops (the equivalent of a Catholic priest) until 1978 is an historic fact.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM

The child-like mentality of Palin’s supporters is clear when it it pointed out that she cluelessly called for a brokered convention in the selfish and vain hope that a brokered convention would pick her and none of her supporters are prepared to concede that it was a brain dead idea given that a brokered convention would have left the nominee with 2 months in which to organize a campaign – something that can’t reasonably be done in less than 9 months.

No lessons are being learned.

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

So much fail and falshood in this statement. In fact, the part I bolded is the only part I agree with — but not as regards Sarah Palin. You need to get over your obsession with her and her supporters, Butch.

As for Mitt, he spent the better part of four years organizing his campaign. Fat lot o’ good that did him, eh?

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Seems she’s living in your head..:)

idesign on November 21, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Sarah Palin. Her motives were pure enough for her to decide to stay out of this sorry flustercuck.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

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If I read you correctly, there was no hope once Sarah backed out.

All of the rest of the choices were too corrupt, for you.

Am I “reading” right?

listens2glenn on November 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Try for a little more nuance, Butch. Sarah Palin was the only prospective nominee that I really, genuinely wanted to see run, but there were others I could have gotten on board with, with a clear conscience. Mitt was not one of them

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I wish. Soap operas generally involve wealthy doctors or industrialists with loose morals, numerous beautiful wives, and no long-term consequences for their behavior. I should be so lucky. ROFLMAO

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Good point. The soap operas have handsome men and beautiful women. At HA we are inundated with RINOs establishment Republicans like Basilsbest, bluegill, mj brutus, ricky riccardo, etc., etc., etc. The soaps may actually be better or at least more enjoyable.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Sarah Palin. Her motives were pure enough for her to decide to stay out of this sorry flustercuck.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Yeah, I am sure the money and the reality TV and the book tours had nothing to do with the decision that Sarah made.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Yeah, we need a fighter like Allen…oh yeah, he lost.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Willard clone Noreaster RINOs all went down in blazing defeat.Rockefeller Republicanism belongs back in the graveyard.The hankering for a me-too Repubican party is like a bad nickel.

wraithby on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Yeah, I am sure the money and the reality TV and the book tours had nothing to do with the decision that Sarah made.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

So what if they did? The last time I checked, conservatives don’t believe that profit motive is inherently evil. I don’t care why she did what she did. I just know what she did. And life goes on.

gryphon202 on November 21, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Good point. The soap operas have handsome men and beautiful women. At HA we are inundated with RINOs establishment Republicans like Basilsbest, bluegill, mj brutus, ricky riccardo, etc., etc., etc. The soaps may actually be better or at least more enjoyable.

bw222 on November 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Rino is supposed to mean Republican in name only…and yet most of the people who throw this slur around do not even seem to like Republicans. So maybe you should find some other name for these people.

The truth is that it was not just establishment people who lost.Lugar lost the primary here in Indiana and the non establishment candidate ran and he got beat.

This whole establishment vs nonestablishment is just nonsense really.

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

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