Video: Romney aide Dan Senor rips GOP officials for turning on him

posted at 6:36 pm on November 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Politico, he doesn’t name names but he’s clearly talking about Jindal and Scott Walker at least, both of whom have been outspoken in criticizing Romney’s post-election comments about Obama buying voters with taxpayer “gifts” and both of whom were at the Ohio rally that Senor mentions. Rubio and Kelly Ayotte were also there and have also had critical things to say, although their criticism was gentler. I was thinking about that gigantic Ohio rally this morning while looking at these sweet/sad pics of Romney at Disneyland. Three weeks ago, the guy was sincerely convinced that he was about to be elected president of the United States. He had a transition website in the works and everything. He watched his father’s presidential ambitions explode, suffered dozens of bitter defeats at the Senate and presidential primary levels, and endured being called a RINO and an establishment loser finally to end up that night as the star of the Republican show in front of 30,000 hopeful people. And now, three weeks later, he’s riding the teacups, with nothing to do except watch 2016′s presidential aspirants use him as a scapegoat for the party’s demographic challenges. Amazing.

When McCain lost, he went back to national business in the Senate. Dole resigned from the Senate during his presidential campaign but he’d already spent 27 years there and was in his 70s when he lost to Clinton. Before Dole, the last GOP nominee who lost an election without ever serving as president was Goldwater, and he too eventually returned to the Senate. Romney’s in uncharted waters in modern times as a guy who got tantalizingly close to the brass ring and not only didn’t get it but was immediately returned to national semi-obscurity afterward. How do you process that psychologically? It might not be as difficult for him if he were older or in worse health, as he’d at least have the relief of retirement ahead. But he doesn’t look like a man who’s eager for retirement; he’s the picture of health and vigor. Is being named CEO of some company enough to help him decelerate from being almost Leader of the Free World to waiting in line to ride Space Mountain? That’s why Senor’s so defensive on his behalf, I think. It’s not just that Jindal and Walker and other 2016 hopefuls are transparently opportunistic in clubbing him. It’s that the guy’s dealing with one of the worst cases of status whiplash in recent American history. If you’re an influential Republican, let him breathe for a minute before piling on, maybe.

Exit quotation from an unnamed Romney aide:

“Yet he went out and won the nomination,” wrote the aide in an email exchange. “Without putting in a dime of his own money. How did he do it? Well, more than anything there were the [primary season] debates. The debates proved that Romney was the most appealing Republican in the crowd. Appealing to VOTERS. Republican voters.”

“So I would be very hesitant,” the aide continued, “to believe that suddenly those who are criticizing Mitt Romney now are any more right than those who did for much of the last year and a half.”


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Schadenfreude on November 22, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Thred, darn :)

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Thread, er :)

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2012 at 1:30 AM

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 1:25 AM

LoLz..Don’t forget the donuts..:)

Dire Straits on November 22, 2012 at 1:30 AM

…the new Quotes of the day thread!

KOOLAID2 on November 22, 2012 at 1:34 AM

“You know Romney is mortal, right?”

portlandon on November 21, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Shut your mouth! /sarc

HerneTheHunter on November 22, 2012 at 6:23 AM

Well when you go for the jugular against your fellow republicans in the primary and then go squish and refer to your main general election opponent as a nice guy, maybe your deserve a little whiplash criticism. Especially since that “nice guy” is now completely free to continuing his destruction of our republic.

bgibbs1000 on November 22, 2012 at 8:45 AM

“So I would be very hesitant,” the aide continued, “to believe that suddenly those who are criticizing Mitt Romney now are any more right than those who did for much of the last year and a half.”

The aide is basically right. Romney was criticized for being a RINO squish because RINO squish always loses. So yes those who criticized Romney for being a RINO squish before the election and continue to do so now were just as right before the election as they are now.

bgibbs1000 on November 22, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Senor, your guy lost. Then he digs a deeper hole with his ‘gifts’. The Republican party needs to look to the future. So don’t whine when he is a subject of derision and scorn. Just go away. No leftovers necessary. Look to the future instead.

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Are you serious with this post?! Allah, why don’t you just go hold Romney for awhile. Maybe that’ll make him feel better. The guy didn’t even write a concession speech. I thought Obama had a huge ego. His expectations should’ve been more realistic. You are not guaranteed to win. At least the path is cleared to have a true conservative run in 2016. Time for Sarah Palin to step up to the plate. Palin ’16!

bellagrazi on November 22, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Romney was a good guy, to Democrats.

To other Republicans, especially to populist conservatives like Palin, he was a swine. As were his lapdog followers.

Now, karma comes back to bite Mittens in the ass. Instead of unifying the GOP as Reagan did in 1980, this entitled establishment genteel man got hammered by the Alinskyites because he thought that his guys could tell the right to Sit Down and Shut Up, since the alternative was four more years of rule by the Kenyan Usurper.

Clown Shoes. Like McCain and Bush before him, Romney were Clown Shoes. Italian patent leather clown shoes, but clown shoes nonetheless.

victor82 on November 22, 2012 at 9:31 AM

No, not m’kay.

Ryan is a fake.

His plan only balances the budget in 2040, which in Washington means NEVER.

sharrukin on November 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM

The budget plan that Sarah Palin endorsed in the Wall Street Journal. Of course, the main thing that irks the Palinbots about Ryan is the fact that Ryan basically ignored Palin’s endorsement.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Basilsbest on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Which group of rinos controls the repub side?

Besides massive voter fraud which I believe cost Romney the election, something is very wrong in the repub party. They
blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, conservatives, “right wingers”
(whomever they are) and now Romney.

Who is running the show; who is “Oz”? Does anyone have names?

Amjean on November 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I am not buying this. Here in Indiana, the GOP nominee for the Senate was the Tea Party candidate Richard Mourdock. A lot of money came from out of state to support him during the primary. Mitch Daniels supported Lugar. We were told that Mourdock was the true conservative and Lugar was a rino. And then of course Mourdock imploded in a spectacular way. Romney on the other hand won this state by 10 points. So who do you think gets the credit and the blame here in Indiana?

Terrye on November 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM
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Besides national, state and local politics having different management teams, agendas, etc., Romney didn't make any comments
about "rape".

Amjean on November 22, 2012 at 10:26 AM

I’m with the aide, frankly. Jindal’s past will haunt him if he attempt to jump into the ring, he’s not a good speaker and he’s kind of a jerk for kicking Romney while he’s down.

I am one of the small minority of Conservativish people who would support Romney in 2016. I hope he writes another book and stays in the spotlight, maybe doing some charity work and some programs for underprivileged students…

It’d be somewhat ironic for to Romney become a major Habitat for Humanity spokesman, honestly consider that Obama was Jimmy Carter winning a second term.

Anyways, love the guy.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Romney will be fine. He’ll probably take a few months with family to regroup, then jump back into business or consulting, etc. As long as he stays away from politics…

Although (strokes chin thoughtfully) he is in California now apparently, and could make an interesting GOP candidate for governor there…

cs89 on November 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

..this’ll get buried in this thread, but it would be interesting to see him run against that POS soon-to-be-former L.A. mayor.

The War Planner on November 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

So people wouldn’t go out and vote for someone relatively competent against a marxist corruptocrat because they got insulted on the interwebs or didn’t like some of the advocates?

You realize how silly that sounds, don’t you? It sounds suspiciously like children who pout when they don’t get their way instead of adults having to make a practical decision.

Your guy (Gingrich) didn’t get the nomination and didn’t run for president. While you can believe as hard as you can that he would have won, that’s fine, but it doesn’t change the fact that more primary voters disagreed.

It’s time to move on and do the work that needs to be done, which is to clean up the GOP or work towards a viable third party and work on getting solid conservatives in downticket races.

Or you going to sit here and pout? The more the merrier. Join us.

kim roy on November 22, 2012 at 12:41 AM

I may have said that in the past, but what it is more looking like is that people who were barely interested in voting FOR, or not even interested in voting FOR Romney, but simply against Obama were either not motivated to help with the get out the vote effort or infective because their hearts were not in the promote Romney mind set. That requires a leader that invigorates and inspires.

Instead we had a leader (if you call him that) that was more about attacking his base of support in favor of appealing to Democrats (a natural position for someone whose views are progressive). His most ardent supporters attacking people who said anything negative or gave good advice to Romney.

I cannot fathom at all why Romney did not do better than he did…

For an example, I usually get between 15 and 30 of my family members out to vote on election day by telling them about the candidates and what the consequences of electing each of them likely will be in advance and then checking their vote progress. They would be low information voters if it was not me informing them. This year I talked to none of them about politics. No way was I going to sell Mr F^ck-the-Base to them. Hell, I was a reluctant voters for the turd and I am hyper informed.

Maybe actually having an easy to follow plan of action for your term that spelled out your specific policy actions (not goals) would have informed some voters and inspired the base.

“I will create 12 million new jobs” (GOAL), not very informative. According to Obama he created/saved millions of jobs, people were not happy with his method or the duration of those jobs, or future costs of them.

Cut, Cap and Balance makes or a pretty compelling argument. Having a one page write up about what it means would be accessible to low information voters.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Attacking our party’s moderates is what gave us a 55 seat Democratic Senate majority that could easily have been about 50 50 with available viable candidates. Denouncing Romney, Boehner, McCain, Linsey Graham, George W. and Jeb Bush etc. for trying to make the system work within the constraints of a hostile press, a hostile academia, a public misinformed by a partisan disfunctional education system and proper respect for the law as it is rather than as we would like it to be is short sighted. If we all hoist the Jolly Roger and call for rebellion we will be crushed as the middle will align against us.

We have to do the education of those around us so that a new Reagan can succeed rather than shoot the pragmatists trying to slow the progressive left leviathon while holding a rather weak hand.

KW64 on November 22, 2012 at 9:50 AM

KW64 on November 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM

No, not m’kay.

Ryan is a fake.

His plan only balances the budget in 2040, which in Washington means NEVER.

sharrukin on November 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Didn’t Ryan lie about his time in a marathon on a radio show?

Amjean on November 22, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I would feel sorry for Romney except: (i) Romney engaged in massive unfair negative political advertising, spending tens of millions of dollars, against good Republicans Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum; (ii) Romney’s excessive focus on the economy and disregard for social and cultural issues provided a lesson to the GOP; and (iii) Romney was overly nice to Obama and overly confident against Obama in a way that tempted fate.

Yes, I supported Newt in the GOP primaries, but no, I don’t want to see a blame game played. I want us to learn so that we win the country back. I think Newt is taking the right approach now in studying hard what happened without casting aspersions on Romney.

Phil Byler on November 22, 2012 at 10:59 AM

It absolutely astounds me how the rinos are still trying to blame anyone but the a_ _hole looking back from the mirror! Get it through your heads rinos/eSTABrepubs, you lost millions of votes due to your & your candidates actions! You will not get them back! No matter how many times you act like Libs & scream & shout & throw tantrums, you will never get this many votes from Conservatives, Evangelicals & Libertarians, ever again! Take your Circular Firing Squads and your Finger pointing & stuffem where the sun don’t shine! The rest of the right will never trust you Back Stabbing, Obama Covering POS, again! You rinos/eSTAB-Conservatives-in-the-Back-repubs, can have whatever you want… GOP? All yours. Let us know how that works out for you, without Conservative, Evangelical or Libertarian votes. Frankly, I’m relieved. Every vote I’ve ever cast for these scumbags, always made me feel like I needed to take a shower afterwards. Then, that’s what happens when you vote for people who are betraying their country, while colluding with the Traitor-in-chief!

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Regardless of how you feel about Romney, Jindal was way out of line in attacking him so soon, and honestly his prescription is exactly what’s wrong with the GOP.

Jindal is a fringe SoCon (no rape exception for abortion) and thinks the GOP needs to be more populist (ie stop supporting free market economics). Basically a Socially hyper-conservative, fiscally liberal Republican Party. No thanks, I’ll be out the door if the GOP becomes a Huckabee/Santorum Party, and that coalition now can’t even win in the Bible Belt. Good luck winning a national election telling people it should be illegal for a rape victim to have access to an abortion.

If anything, I blame my fellow Republicans more than I do Romney for losing. For whatever reason, many of them sat out a very important election, and this idea that they sat out because Romney was too moderate is bullsh!t. Romney went further than even Reagan on many fiscal issues like MediCare.

BradTank on November 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

BradTank, Jindal was absolutely right on his comment. Romney lost, and then digs the hole deeper with the ‘gifts’ comment. The GOP should look to the future, period. And Jindal is a fringe socon? Jeez, hes a fiscal con too. Have you truly researched his positions? Lol. Yeah, many fiscal cons who hate the socons identify Jindal in such a way. Conservatism, people. Jindal ain’t Huckabee or Akin. He supports all 3 stools of conservatism, or have you forgotten that? No, I don’t support Jindal. 4 years is a long time. Lets see what happens.

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM

If anything, I blame my fellow Republicans more than I do Romney for losing. For whatever reason, many of them sat out a very important election, and this idea that they sat out because Romney was too moderate is bullsh!t. Romney went further than even Reagan on many fiscal issues like MediCare.

BradTank on November 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I disagree.

Romney tried to win through independents and cross over democrats. He ignored the base, took them for granted, and assumed that the hatred for Obama was reason enough for the base to turn out.

Oh, he threw the base a few bones, but Romney has a credibility problem with Conservatives. RomneyCare, Cap & trade, being for then against Abortion, it was just too much for some to believe that Romney would stay conservative.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 11:52 AM

FACT: Mittens was a horrible candidate. He was nominated by those who had few viable options and voted for the LOC: Least Objectionable Candidate.
Never Again, GOP.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I see the Romneybots have learned nothing. He did nothing to court or reassure his base. He turned out to be just a smoother version of the arrogant, condescending Rockefeller Republican who knows better than the peasants. A billion bucks and he missed a gimme layup. Don’t drag him back around in 2016.

SurferDoc on November 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM

And Jindal is a fringe socon?

Yes, if he holds the position that there should not be a rape exception for abortion, that is fringe, and is exactly what cost us several Senate seats this cycle. A recent poll had 84% of Americans believing there should be a rape exception for abortion. I would call that fringe.

Romney lost, and then digs the hole deeper with the ‘gifts’ comment.

I actually agree with Romney. Obama played Santa Claus with birth control, food stamps, welfare, bailouts, etc.

So Jindal doesn’t believe that Obama’s coalition was a bunch of moochers?

BradTank on November 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Oh, he threw the base a few bones, but Romney has a credibility problem with Conservatives. RomneyCare, Cap & trade, being for then against Abortion, it was just too much for some to believe that Romney would stay conservative.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 11:52 AM

So the base decided another four years of Obama was okay? If that is indeed the base, the fluke the base.

No really, is that what it’s come to – the base worry about what Romney MIGHT do instead of worry about what we know Obama WILL do?

Wow.

I think it’s time to become an independent as this is not a base I want to be associated with if so. It seems the electorate as a whole needs to grow up.

kim roy on November 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I think it’s time to become an independent as this is not a base I want to be associated with if so. It seems the electorate as a whole needs to grow up.

kim roy on November 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Do it.

Become one of the independents that the campaigns slobber all over.

Or stay and demand better candidates.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

No one cheers a tyrant more than those he enslaves.

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

God is mad at her, for good reasons. He’s not blessing her.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Or stay and demand better candidates.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I think we will do better to vote by a majority better candidates..Demand has been hijacked by a smaller group of voters that are in a minority but make a lot of noise..:)

Dire Straits on November 22, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Jindal was absolutely right on his comment. Romney lost, and then digs the hole deeper with the ‘gifts’ comment

.

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM

tommy71 – While what Romney said about Obama’s “gifts” may not be politically correct, do you deny that it is true?

bw222 on November 22, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I wish Romney (and his PACs) would have waged as rugged a campaign against Obama as he did against his Republican primary opponents. Knowing the “GOP strategists” that ran the Romney campaign, they were probably afraid of offending their liberal friends and being labeled racists for fighting back against a black man.

bw222 on November 22, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Dude or dudette…..its Politics 101. Whether its true or not doesn’t matter, the politician should never utter it. You and me can speak, what is in our opinion, the unvarnished truth. Just like Pelosi – she pretends to be a loyal catholic, but in reality, doesn’t believe in God, and believes in abortion. Same thing here, don’t dig yourself a hole.

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM

The best part is that I’m neither a conservative, nor a republican. I’m a indie, but I believe that the left tilt is too drastic, and would harm us. Just get your house in order, right-wingers. We need you to balance the extreme left tilt of our nation.

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 12:49 PM

No one cheers a tyrant more than those he enslaves.

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

God is mad at her, for good reasons. He’s not blessing her.

Schadenfreude
on November 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM

.
I can’t agree with you , as to God’s anger at the country.

He has more issues with His Church in America, than with the whole country.
Laziness on the part of Christian believers (there’s probably room in there for me) is the reason why the U.S. has been in decline, and not experiencing the blessings of the Lord, in recent times.

This laziness on the part of American Christians began almost immediately after the great WWII.

listens2glenn on November 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM

So the base decided another four years of Obama was okay? If that is indeed the base, the fluke the base.

No really, is that what it’s come to – the base worry about what Romney MIGHT do instead of worry about what we know Obama WILL do?

Wow.

I think it’s time to become an independent as this is not a base I want to be associated with if so. It seems the electorate as a whole needs to grow up.

kim roy on November 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Exactly, kim. Holding firm to finding the absolute ideal candidate, even to one’s own and the rest of the country’s detriment, is ridiculous. Refusing to vote for Romney and allowing Barky to prevail because Romney didn’t match the base on every single issue will cost us all dearly. 4 more years of Barky’s statist policies is what those who sat home on election day have given the rest of us.

I actually agree with Romney. Obama played Santa Claus with birth control, food stamps, welfare, bailouts, etc.

So Jindal doesn’t believe that Obama’s coalition was a bunch of moochers?

BradTank on November 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Agreed. Barky and Co rallied that coalition of moochers to come out in force to vote. Meanwhile, some of our base sat home to wait for that perfect candidate to magically materialize four long years from now.

Slainte on November 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Meanwhile, some of our base sat home to wait for that perfect candidate to magically materialize four long years from now.

Slainte on November 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Funny how you imagine you own these people called the base. They OWED Romney their vote because he had an (R) branded after his name according to yours and others like you screeds. They do not owe you a vote, it is up to the candidate to EARN the vote. They are the same people who turned out in 2010, even for imperfect candidates. The [roblem with Romney is that he detested and attacked the base of support an (R) candidate should have automatically been able to count on. They still turned out, they just did not bring along friends, family and neighbors like they other wise would have if Romney would have ran to be their president rather than the president of the center/ left of center.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The budget plan that Sarah Palin endorsed in the Wall Street Journal. Of course, the main thing that irks the Palinbots about Ryan is the fact that Ryan basically ignored Palin’s endorsement.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Idiot. What irks me as a Palin supporter is the fact that even conservatives supported RYAN’s so called plans … all his actions were against it.

First, HE DENOUNCED HIS OWN PLAN.

Second, MANY TIMES HIS VOTES IN THE CONGRESS WERE AGAINST HIS OWN PLAN.

Third, HE EVEN STOPPED CAMPAIGNING JUST TO RETURN TO THE CONGRESS AND JOINED THE REST OF THE CONGRESS FOR THE CONTINUING RESOLUTION TO FUND FUND FUND OBAMACARE.

All conservatives know that!

So stop using Palin in justifying the dismal acts of your favorite conservative. Pweh!

TheAlamos on November 22, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Do it.

Become one of the independents that the campaigns slobber all over.

Or stay and demand better candidates.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Which I have been doing. I’ve also been putting my money where my mouth is and altering my behavior and not rewarding the losers.

However, when push comes to shove and you (all the “you” are general you, not specific) have a choice of Obama or Romney and you can’t/won’t choose Romney because you feel slighted or someone’s “not listening” or they didn’t “reach out to me” or some other liberal “feelings” BS, then perhaps it’s time to move on as it’s clear these aren’t adults.

kim roy on November 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

No, not m’kay.

Ryan is a fake.

His plan only balances the budget in 2040, which in Washington means NEVER.

sharrukin on November 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM

The budget plan that Sarah Palin endorsed in the Wall Street Journal. Of course, the main thing that irks the Palinbots about Ryan is the fact that Ryan basically ignored Palin’s endorsement.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM

When you’re fighting off trolls from MoveOn.org on the blog – it’s toxic/

Another sign: When some idiot says “I Blame My Fellow Republicans MORE than The Liberals…”

You don’t need to hear the end of that statement – that person has just PROVEN that they are a Liberal.

williamg on November 22, 2012 at 2:19 PM

When you’re fighting off trolls from MoveOn.org on the blog – it’s toxic/

Another sign: When some idiot says “I Blame My Fellow Republicans MORE than The Liberals…”

You don’t need to hear the end of that statement – that person has just PROVEN that they are a Liberal.

williamg on November 22, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I’m hoping that sharrukin is the troll, not me. Just because some moderate conservatives aren’t keen on Palin doesn’t mean that we are liberal trolls. Palin was severely damaged in 2008 by the McCain campaign. It was a cynical move on the part of Steve Schmidt to save a flailing campaign. She wasn’t ready for prime time. That was okay. I don’t think that Rubio was ready for prime time this year. Palin would have benefited from a high profile speech at the 2008 convention like Rubio had had this year. She would have knocked it out of the park and would have had four years of national exposure to get ready for 2012. After the campaign, the best way for her to come back was to get back to work as Governor of Alaska and take a high profile role such as chair of the RGA. She could work on a whole platform and brand around “Sam’s Club Republicans.” She chose to quit and makes tons of money while her star was still bright. I don’t begrudge her the money, but her future political ambitions have ended.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Most Republican women who bash Sarah Palin are fugly. That’s a fact.

bw222 on November 22, 2012 at 2:44 PM

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM

The problem is how long can we go on pretending that we can afford all the freebies while the deficit keeps getting bigger? Within five years we will have 60% of people paying no taxes.

bw222 on November 22, 2012 at 2:55 PM

The problem is how long can we go on pretending that we can afford all the freebies while the deficit keeps getting bigger? Within five years we will have 60% of people paying no taxes.

bw222 on November 22, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Could be higher. I may end up getting a full refund this year…

The tax code is way too lopsided to depend on the high earners…

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Idiot. What irks me as a Palin supporter is the fact that even conservatives supported RYAN’s so called plans … all his actions were against it.

First, HE DENOUNCED HIS OWN PLAN.

Second, MANY TIMES HIS VOTES IN THE CONGRESS WERE AGAINST HIS OWN PLAN.

Third, HE EVEN STOPPED CAMPAIGNING JUST TO RETURN TO THE CONGRESS AND JOINED THE REST OF THE CONGRESS FOR THE CONTINUING RESOLUTION TO FUND FUND FUND OBAMACARE.

All conservatives know that!

So stop using Palin in justifying the dismal acts of your favorite conservative. Pweh!

TheAlamos on November 22, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Okay.. So Ryan denounced his own plan and voted against it in Congress? Remember how Ryan was publicly bullied by Obama in April 2011 over that plan and how he is an evil devil with the Democrats. He’s lost a lot by putting out that plan. The guy is all about ideas rather than politics. If he was all about politics, he wouldn’t have put together a controversial plan. Yes, he had to support Romney’s tax plan rather than the Ryan tax plan as part of the campaign, but the tacit understanding is that Ryan would get his Medicare plan passed as part of the deal.

As for the spat with Palinbots….. don’t denounce Ryan as an unaccomplished minor politician and then start shilling for Sarah Palin. m’kay.

Most Republican women who bash Sarah Palin are fugly. That’s a fact.

bw222 on November 22, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Personal attacks are always fun!! sarc off/

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Romney was the wrong candidate from the get-go. He was chosen by the RNC, Wall Street, Karl Rove, the old GOP crony capitalists, the Bush clan and then heavily pushed upon the grassroots by the Drudge Report, Fox, and Conservative blogs like Hot Air.

Dan Senor is a crybaby. Romney could spend millions destroying Newt’s credibility but, can’t take the heat himself. You don’t see Newt or anyone from his campaign crying in the media.

Maybe the GOP should let the grassroots pick the candidate for 2016 because after two losses, it is glaringly apparent that the GOP leadership hasn’t a clue.

Sparky5253 on November 22, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Sparky5253 on November 22, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Almost a perfect statement on view of it. Get OUT OF MY HEAD! LOL

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Okay.. So Ryan denounced his own plan and voted against it in Congress? Remember how Ryan was publicly bullied by Obama in April 2011 over that plan and how he is an evil devil with the Democrats. He’s lost a lot by putting out that plan. The guy is all about ideas rather than politics.

If he was all about politics, he wouldn’t have put together a controversial plan.

First, HE DENOUNCED HIS OWN PLAN.

Second, MANY TIMES HIS VOTES IN THE CONGRESS WERE AGAINST HIS OWN PLAN.

Third, HE EVEN STOPPED CAMPAIGNING JUST TO RETURN TO THE CONGRESS AND JOINED THE REST OF THE CONGRESS FOR THE CONTINUING RESOLUTION TO FUND FUND FUND OBAMACARE.

Yes, he had to support Romney’s tax plan rather than the Ryan tax plan as part of the campaign, but the tacit understanding is that Ryan would get his Medicare plan passed as part of the deal.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM

You’re contradicting yourself. You’re the one calling people “bot”. BUT YOU’RE ACTUALLY THE REAL BOT.

TheAlamos on November 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Romney was right in calling out the rat-eared wonder. His supporters are just a bunch of worthless mooches. Jindal, Walker, and all the rest disgust me in rushing in to defend the moochers. Rubio most of all since I thought he had integrity up until he went on the attack. I’m not sure I can support any of them if they are this opportunistic for an election four years away. I suspect they will be sponding the whole time trying to outgive Barakaclaus. And I’m for starving the moochers not giving them more.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Sparky5253 on November 22, 2012 at 3:09 PM

So who would have been the right candidate?

Rick Santorum? Newt Gingrich? Ron Paul?

Sorry but none of the above could have garnered as many votes as Romney. I would have actually not voted for President if the GOP turned out to be so damned stupid that they attached their hopes to a racist isolationist whose following is made up primarily of pot heads and the terminally ignorant.

IMO, the problem was not the candidate but the message. Romney was too nice for too long. He focused on the economy but left the rat-eared wonder’s charges unanswered. For example, instead of responding to the “war on women” charges by assuring sluts that he had never proposed banning abortions- he let the enemy get away with saying it in ad after ad until the stupid sluts thought it was true.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2012 at 4:00 PM

If John McCain could garner that many votes, I am sure every last one of them and the third tier candidates could have beaten Romney’s numbers. Particularly where it mattered… Cain and Huntsman are about the only two off the top of my head that could not have… Well, Ron Paul too, but you listed him.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 4:08 PM

If John McCain could garner that many votes, I am sure every last one of them and the third tier candidates could have beaten Romney’s numbers. Particularly where it mattered… Cain and Huntsman are about the only two off the top of my head that could not have… Well, Ron Paul too, but you listed him.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 4:08 PM

You really think that Rick Santorum could have survived the withering fire from his actions in Congress when Terri Schiavo was ordered to be killed? I think he was right but that isn’t the way the enemy would have portrayed his statements then.

Newt Gingrich has more baggage than a 747.

No, the problem was not the candidate but there was no unifying message. Reagan won with morning in America. Newt won in 1994 with contract with America. Mitt Romney never made that kind of visionary connection.

My advice to Rubio, Jinal, Walker, or any other opportunistic bastard beating up on Romney is this. Start building your theme that encompasses high-minded ideals. You will never win by trying to beat Dems by proposing more free stuff to the moochers.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2012 at 4:44 PM

You’re contradicting yourself. You’re the one calling people “bot”. BUT YOU’RE ACTUALLY THE REAL BOT.

TheAlamos on November 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Okay.. Well, Romney’s tax plan actually cut rates more than Ryan’s. Romney’s tax plan took the top rate down to 20%. I believe that the Path to Prosperity only went down to 25%. Yes.. Romney’s plan was vague but it was actually more conservative than Ryan’s more detailed one.

You really think that Rick Santorum could have survived the withering fire from his actions in Congress when Terri Schiavo was ordered to be killed? I think he was right but that isn’t the way the enemy would have portrayed his statements then.

The war on womenz.. The Obama campaign would have had a field day tying Santorum to Akin. Santorum is a nag who demands everyone live like him.

Newt Gingrich has more baggage than a 747.

Yep.. It took Romney about a week to destroy Gingrich in Iowa. Gingrich is the easiest political figure in the world to demagogue because of his personal failings (cheating on multiple wives) and his general confrontational tone. Clinton used Gingrich quite well as a foil. Also, all his former colleagues in the House dislike the guy because he is such a jerk.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Yeah, I do think he would have weathered it, as the presidential candidate going up against Obama. Just like Romneycare did not sink Romney to the 30% of the vote as it SHOULD HAVE.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Ryan’s accomplished? Don’t make me laugh. Actually do, otherwise I’d cry. Please tell me about these accomplishments of Ryan’s. You want to compare accomplishments of Ryan and Palin?

These are Sarah’s accomplishments

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35447297/Governor-Palin-s-Accomplishments

I’ll wait for you to list Ryan’s. Oh and proposing a budget and then voting against it, doesn’t count.

PS: Sarah accomplished all of these in 2 1/2 years+, Ryan’s been in congress for what 12 years+?

HerneTheHunter on November 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Yep.. It took Romney about a week to destroy Gingrich in Iowa. Gingrich is the easiest political figure in the world to demagogue because of his personal failings (cheating on multiple wives) and his general confrontational tone. Clinton used Gingrich quite well as a foil. Also, all his former colleagues in the House dislike the guy because he is such a jerk.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM

I like Gingrich and in a perfect world he might have stood a chance.

Could you imagine the volume on the “war on women” would have been? We loathe Allred to begin with, but no doubt she would have trotted out one ex-wife to shriek and no doubt found other shrieking harpies to join the chorus.

It’s a shame it’s come to this – good people who might contribute, but have skeletons or baggage. No wonder no one except professional politicians run for office.

kim roy on November 22, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Now, karma comes back to bite Mittens in the ass. Instead of unifying the GOP as Reagan did in 1980, this entitled establishment genteel man got hammered by the Alinskyites because he thought that his guys could tell the right to Sit Down and Shut Up, since the alternative was four more years of rule by the Kenyan Usurper.

Clown Shoes. Like McCain and Bush before him, Romney were Clown Shoes. Italian patent leather clown shoes, but clown shoes nonetheless.

victor82 on November 22, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Well said.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 5:36 PM

I disagree.

Romney tried to win through independents and cross over democrats. He ignored the base, took them for granted, and assumed that the hatred for Obama was reason enough for the base to turn out.

Oh, he threw the base a few bones, but Romney has a credibility problem with Conservatives. RomneyCare, Cap & trade, being for then against Abortion, it was just too much for some to believe that Romney would stay conservative.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Good one, perfect analysis.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Ryan’s accomplished? Don’t make me laugh. Actually do, otherwise I’d cry. Please tell me about these accomplishments of Ryan’s. You want to compare accomplishments of Ryan and Palin?

These are Sarah’s accomplishments

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35447297/Governor-Palin-s-Accomplishments

I’ll wait for you to list Ryan’s. Oh and proposing a budget and then voting against it, doesn’t count.

PS: Sarah accomplished all of these in 2 1/2 years+, Ryan’s been in congress for what 12 years+?

HerneTheHunter on November 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Umm.. changing the entire conversation on entitlements reform is a pretty huge accomplishment. Actually proposing a whole set of new ideas and policies for the Republican party after 2008 based around fiscal discipline and entitlement reform is also a huge accomplishment. Also, exactly when did Ryan vote against his own budget? He is pretty consistent in proposing a version of the same budget each April. What exactly has Palin done other than quit in the middle of her first term? I haven’t seen any new policy ideas or an agenda out of her.

Palin is similar to Rubio.. Both are charismatic speakers from groups that the GOP has issues with. However, Palin has baggage that Rubio doesn’t and was much less ready for prime-time than Rubio is. I don’t think that Rubio would have flubbed the Couric interview. So why not go with the Latino-y guy instead if you’re going for image and demographics? Palin is done. There are much more interesting, less controversial candidates than her.

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I think I now hate everyone, left, right and in the middle.

Anyone want some pie? I made two pumpkins, an apple and french silk. I also have whipped cream and ice cream.

Fallon on November 22, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Anyone want some pie? I made two pumpkins, an apple and french silk. I also have whipped cream and ice cream.

Fallon on November 22, 2012 at 6:05 PM

I’m up for ice cream, keep the poison minimal please.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Anyone want some pie? I made two pumpkins, an apple and french silk. I also have whipped cream and ice cream.

Fallon on November 22, 2012 at 6:05 PM

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I’m up for ice cream, keep the poison minimal please.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 6:11 PM

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Nonsense … bring on the poison ! : )

listens2glenn on November 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on November 22, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Funny how you imagine you own these people called the base. They OWED Romney their vote because he had an (R) branded after his name according to yours and others like you screeds. They do not owe you a vote, it is up to the candidate to EARN the vote. They are the same people who turned out in 2010, even for imperfect candidates. The [roblem with Romney is that he detested and attacked the base of support an (R) candidate should have automatically been able to count on. They still turned out, they just did not bring along friends, family and neighbors like they other wise would have if Romney would have ran to be their president rather than the president of the center/ left of center.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 1:14 PM

QFT. It’s a little shocking to realize how far the GOP seems to have gotten from the idea that they have to reach out to voters, to sell themselves to the voters. Instead too many on the Right seem to have the idea that the voters just had a duty to vote GOP, so the GOP shouldn’t have to go beyond whatever rulebook is out there to instruct a candidate on how to run the “perfect” campaign.

Romney did not make the sale for too many voters. If the GOP wants to win elections, maybe the GOP should start listening to people who might have voted for Romney (or whoever) and did not.

Of course, nominating candidates whose previous term in political office wasn’t governor of a blue state, and who aren’t famous for delivering government-run healthcare to his state, might also help matters a bit in the future. That, and deciding not to assume that the country at large is going to see the Democrat as a demon that they’ll be eager to rid themselves of on Election Day.

Aitch748 on November 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I’m up for ice cream, keep the poison minimal please.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Okay, but I must say the homemade french silk is quite exceptional. I’ve lost 65 pounds since May but I’m giving myself a reprieve today.

Fallon on November 22, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Aitch748 on November 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM

The GOP was looking at polls about how excited the base was to get out and vote. The Engaged base…

I think what they should have asked in some of the polls was, how excited are you to sell Romney to your Family Members, Friends and Neighbors. How likely are you to take those people to the poll on election day and ensure they vote.

I was convinced the Conservatives did not turn out. After careful consideration after the fact, it seems to me that what really happened was they turned out just fine, but were not willing to sell Romney to anyone and carry them to the polls on election day.

It comes down to the same selling point.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Okay, but I must say the homemade french silk is quite exceptional. I’ve lost 65 pounds since May but I’m giving myself a reprieve today.

Fallon on November 22, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Wow, that is an accomplishment. Ok, french silk it is.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Romney is a good person, but, here’s an idea: How about, next time, we try a Reagan Conservative?

kingsjester on November 22, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Need a celebrity candidate in 2016. How bout Eastwood? Nah, the old, the white and the rich ain’t gonna turn out too good. On the other hand, Ann Coulter will be shillin for Christie.

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Romney is a good person, but, here’s an idea: How about, next time, we try a Reagan Conservative?

kingsjester on November 22, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Like the Hostess employees who would rather be jobless than see their evil capitalist bosses “win” I’m convinced the GOP would rather cease to exist than win with a conservative mandate.

Kataklysmic on November 22, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Romney is a good person, but, here’s an idea: How about, next time, we try a Reagan Conservative?

kingsjester on November 22, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Good plan.

SparkPlug on November 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Nothing wrong with Romney’s ‘gifts’ comments; 100% reality.

Midas on November 22, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Nothing wrong with Romney’s ‘gifts’ comments; 100% reality.

Midas on November 22, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Obama lost over 7 million total votes from his 2008 vote totals.

If the people were bought off, it seems illogical that they did not come out to vote for those gifts.

If on the other hand what happened was that Romney was a terrible candidate, did not inspire the base, and was not a big enough differentiation from Obama to wake up any of the unengaged electorate who stayed home.

I think conservatives turned out. I think they were not effective in getting anyone else to join with them at the voting booth. Either because they refused to try to sell the turd, or were not able to sell the turd who spent a large part of his campaign disparaging them and ignoring them.

astonerii on November 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Romney tried to win through independents and cross over democrats. He ignored the base, took them for granted, and assumed that the hatred for Obama was reason enough for the base to turn out.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 11:52 AM

If it wasn’t then they’re imbeciles and they deserve all of his SCOTUS nominations, Obamacare, and years of corruption, lies, Benghazis, more Arab states going Muslim Brotherhood, economic stagnation and assorted avoidable Dem follies.

Petulant, suicidal imbeciles.

profitsbeard on November 23, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Senor, your guy lost. Then he digs a deeper hole with his ‘gifts’.

tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 9:10 AM

This is really infuriating for me. Too many people even on our side are acting like Romney made a really huge gaffe with his “47%” and “gifts” remarks. Do you people even know what the Democratic party is even about? It’s about satiating the whims of their voters, and what Democratic voters want is gifts. They want government programs to take care of them for their entire lives, they want free food and free stuff, and they don’t want to ever have to pay into it. Some rich guy will or something.

No? Tell me, then. Does anyone remember in 2007 when Hillary Clinton was proposing to give mothers who bear a child $5000 bucks, ostensibly to take care of their kids? Go on, someone who thinks that “gifts” was a terrible thing for Romney to say, go ahead and explain to me how that’s not a gift. Then there’s the stimulus money which basically rained down upon union workers. That’s not a gift either, huh? This is the MO for every Democrat. Buy people off and don’t give even half of a thought for how the hell you’re going to pay for it.

Romney is right. We all need to recognize that he’s right, because you know what? The fact that so many American voters are more interested in who is going to buy them off than in the future of their country is one of the greatest threats we face today. If we can’t deal with that, we are well and truly screwed.

R. Waher on November 23, 2012 at 12:10 AM

And I just sit here laughing to myself that once again the GOPe tried to betray us once again. LIB.

AH_C on November 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Illinidiva on November 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I didn’t know proposing a budget that didn’t pass was an accomplishment. I didn’t know talking about entitlement reform with no action taken was an accomplishment. Very accomplished, that guy Ryan!

Want real accomplishments? How about a woman who actually balanced a budget for every year she was governor. How about a woman who actually proposed and passed ethics reform. How about a woman who cut earmark spending every year she was governor and by the end at an average of 9.8%. How about a woman who proposed a renewal energy plan to have her state using 50% renewable energy by 2025; by 2008 when still in office she was on target at 25%. How about a woman who proposed and passed an energy tax plan that left her state with $16 Billion surplus. How about a woman whose management of her state’s economy raised their credit rating from A to AA. All of these she accomplished with bipartisan support with an approval ratings of 88-90%.

Nice try though to change the subject and spout off left-wing talking points. I posted a link to Palin’s accomplishments as a governor, which by the way, she did in all but 21/2 years. Now, you can pretend to not know the reasons for her stepping down from the governor’s seat, but that’s a fool’s game you welcomed to play alone.

And trying to put Palin, a former 2 term city Councillor, 2 term Mayor, president of Alaska state mayors, Chairwoman of an Energy & Conservation board, Alaska state oil & gas regulator, former governor, vice-presidential candidate into the same category as Rubio, a 2 year senator? Please child.

By the way, am still waiting for Ryan’s accomplishments.

FYI talking about stuff don’t count!

HerneTheHunter on November 23, 2012 at 3:54 AM

If it wasn’t then they’re imbeciles and they deserve all of his SCOTUS nominations, Obamacare, and years of corruption, lies, Benghazis, more Arab states going Muslim Brotherhood, economic stagnation and assorted avoidable Dem follies.

Petulant, suicidal imbeciles.

profitsbeard on November 23, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Yeah.
When the candidate does not do what is needed to win… He is an imbecile and he deserves every bit of derision he gets. People who backed the imbecile and refused to force him to make course corrections so he could win are Imbeciles and deserve every SCOTUS appointment Obama makes, Obamneycare, and the years of corruption, lies, Benghazis, more Arab states going MB, economic stagnation.

Petulant, suicidal imbeciles.

It works both ways.

The problem being that next go around, you are not going to have the same imbecile Romney as the candidate, but what you will have is a large group of people that hate you even more than they did in 2012 because you have been hating on them, rather than laying the blame where it belongs, the CANDIDATE whose job it was to persuade voters, rather than fear monger them into submission.

astonerii on November 23, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Been a while since I posted, for what should be obvious reasons.

I complained about Romney right up front. I asked any Romney supporter to explain to me how the guy who couldn’t even beat McCain was gonna beat the guy McCain couldn’t beat. Not once did I get an answer. The question was considered too pedestrian I guess. Anyone care to answer it now?

I changed my mind after the Ryan pick. I stated openly that I would vote for Ryan, and I would be voting on the presidential ticket. For the second time in a row I found myself voting for a second banana who should have been first. It all felt so familiar, and the result was exactly the same, as I predicted it would be.

I’ve stated any number of times that we are past the tipping point. Anyone who called me a pessimist wanna argue with me about it now? Anyone who questioned my knowledge of history care to now tell me how this is just an anomoly, and everything will STILL turn out ok?

Anyone wanna apologize and start voting for conservatives? Yeah, I knew that was too much to hope for.

Learn history. Know what’s coming. Prepare.

Or continue to believe we can turn this around. Kinda makes you look like leftist unicorn fart worshippers though. Just sayin.

runawayyyy on November 23, 2012 at 9:46 AM

The Republican’s have turned into the party of Christie, McCain, Rove and Hannity. I’ll have nothing to do with them.

Mr. Arrogant on November 23, 2012 at 10:01 AM

I didn’t know proposing a budget that didn’t pass was an accomplishment. I didn’t know talking about entitlement reform with no action taken was an accomplishment. Very accomplished, that guy Ryan!

Actually changing the national conversation on entitlement reform is a huge accomplishment. Before Ryan came along, it was taboo to touch the third rail of politics. Republicans were scared to propose any changes to Medicare or Social Security because of Mediscare and the Republicans hate grannies and want to kill him. Ryan made a huge gamble that people appreciate being treated like adults and told the truth about the government. This actually turned out to be a correct assumption. Any grand bargain is going to have to include serious entitlement reforms in it, and the objections to entitlement reforms have been neutralized. I don’t see any anonymous Republican Steve Schmidt or David Frum sorts screeching about Ryan and Medicare.

Want real accomplishments? How about a woman who actually balanced a budget for every year she was governor. How about a woman who actually proposed and passed ethics reform. How about a woman who cut earmark spending every year she was governor and by the end at an average of 9.8%. How about a woman who proposed a renewal energy plan to have her state using 50% renewable energy by 2025; by 2008 when still in office she was on target at 25%. How about a woman who proposed and passed an energy tax plan that left her state with $16 Billion surplus. How about a woman whose management of her state’s economy raised their credit rating from A to AA. All of these she accomplished with bipartisan support with an approval ratings of 88-90%.

It’s actually easier to balance the budget of Alaska than the budget of Wisconsin. Alaska relies heavily on oil resources for revenue, so when oil is expensive, they do well. Not sure why she didn’t stay in office and do something like expand on her energy plan rather than quitting. Palin got screwed by the McCain campaign and wasn’t ready for prime time. Her best bet was to stay in office, develop an agenda and brand, and rack up some huge national level accomplishments. She cashed in and will be making lots of money as a commentator. However, she won’t be winning a Presidential nomination.

Illinidiva on November 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Romney tried to win through independents and cross over democrats. He ignored the base, took them for granted, and assumed that the hatred for Obama was reason enough for the base to turn out.

portlandon on November 22, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I agree with Portlando.

SparkPlug on November 23, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Illinidiva on November 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM

OK! We get it! You don’t know jack about Sarah Palin, but why in the world anyone broadcasts their ignorance remains beyond my comprehension.

DannoJyd on November 23, 2012 at 6:46 PM

It’s actually easier to balance the budget of Alaska than the budget of Wisconsin.

And Paul Ryan’s done neither, yet you seem to be talking him up at every opportunity.

However, she won’t be winning a Presidential nomination.

Illinidiva on November 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Paul Ryan vs Sarah Palin. Tell me who would win that one.

It’s up to Sarah Palin.

ddrintn on November 23, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Are one of you guys up there an employee of or married to former Governor Palin?

A Congressman does not have the same menu for action as an executive and that is why it is a plus to have been a Governor before heading for 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Sarah Palin was a good governor on paper then showed a real concern for her state. Like President Obama, she quit when it suited her.

Cong. Ryan showed more courage and cerebration and suffered a lot more than she did.

If she had drafted a budget as Cong. Ryan did and had the heat for her efforts, the whine would have been deafening. Then she would have cracked or gone on a weird bus tour.

I like the two of them but think both are sub par for VP. Cong. Ryan was really the wrong choice for Mitt Romney. Adopting that whole budget and then having a helper no personality or attack technique when facing the Dems in general and Joe Biden in the debate, helped Mitt very little.

Of course, Sarah didn’t exactly mop the floor with Vice President Joe in her debate and missed glaring errors the man made.

Somehow, Governor Palin has convinced a lot of experts that she is an idiot. Managers of McCains campaign seem to hate her. They sway many people. I haven’t seen her attempt to demonstrate anything to them to change that.

The movie Game Change was very sad and I suggest that you watch it, assuming that you have an open mind. Then think whether an individual who can alienate so many people is a good choice on the national ticket or potentially holding the top job. She is not a Democrat so anything that can be written or said to hurt her or her programs would be.

The most amusing act of the puerile gang of clowns responsible for Game Change is the complete blindness regarding VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN (and a few others) as they tore up Sarah Palin as the most silly and dangerous mental case ever to seek office.

IlikedAUH2O on November 25, 2012 at 8:53 AM

IlikedAUH2O on November 25, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Wow, what a good little idiot you are. You are totally sold on what the media has told you.

Hint moron, that is the plan for anyone that is conservative. The more conservative, the more so.

It is a bipartisan effort as well. Reagan was detested almost as much by Republican big wigs as he was by progressives. Newt Gingrich was as well. The reason is that at this point in history, the government is so far beyond the boundaries of the constitution that conservatism is pretty much all about removing power from the government. The same government that Democrats, Republicans and Independent candidates use to their benefit and their cronies benefits.

So, what is your plan? Keep moving leftward until we are destroyed, or actually put forward conservative candidates? I guess it pretty much no longer matters, since our nation is not likely to survive long enough to turn things around in time.

astonerii on November 25, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Wow, what a good little idiot you are.
astonerii on November 25, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Meant Useful Idiot

astonerii on November 25, 2012 at 7:54 PM

The debates proved that Romney was the most appealing Republican in the crowd. Appealing to VOTERS. Republican voters.”

No. the debates proved that Gingrich was the most appealing debater in the crowd and Perry the least appealing. But that didn’t matter, because the Romneyites said so, because Romney was inevitable and the only electable candidate. They had polls to prove it. And they were spectacularly wrong.

The movie Game Change was very sad and I suggest that you watch it, assuming that you have an open mind.

IlikedAUH2O on November 25, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Why would I want to watch a completely fictional account of the 2012 race? I read the book it’s based on and I know it’s fiction, and fiction designed to make Republicans look bad, and particularly those extreme, pro-life (but I repeat myself) types.

Sarah Palin is quite obviously a smart lady. She’s not an intellectual, she’s got practical savvy. And the more schmucks who parrot the lib line that she’s stupid, or that it’s somehow her fault that she suffered the worst and most undeserved character assassination in recent memory, need to reevaluate. No one is perfect. Not even Governor Goodhair. Palin’s positives are that she is brave, very much in touch with American pop culture, and nearly always spot on in her gut conservative instincts. Her negatives are that she speaks in colloquial Alaskan English and many Americans, possibly a prohibitively large proportion, believe a number of lies about her. That many people believe them doesn’t turn the lies into truth, however. She will remain brave, in touch with pop culture and spot-on in her conservative commentary. It’s up to us to decide if its worth pushing back on the immensely-successful smears. I think it is. We can’t spare this woman, she fights!

alwaysfiredup on November 26, 2012 at 4:46 PM

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