I don’t place my faith in invisible sorcerers in the sky and in things for which there is absolutely no evidence.

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Hey! We agree on something!

If the Earth is 9,000 years old, then virtually the entire construct of modern science is simply wrong.

Not if God created the Earth that recently AND also created the correct amount of radioactive breakdown products that would be there as if the natural processes had actually been at work for billions of years.

Not that I believe that, of course, and it’s an idea that can’t be disproved, so it’s a dead end. And you’d have to go the whole way with it, too. For example, you’d have to posit that God also created the light traveling through space from distant stars as though it had been emitted billions of years ago.

Just to be clear, It’s not like I’m asking you to join a church, give an offering or to even try and be a “good” person. I am merely urging you to personally seek God in your own private quiet time as if your life’s eternal destiny depended on it. That’s it.

Did anyone hear Rush reading Carol Channings article (Susan Estrogen)
where she says how she loves so much about Obama World, but not the idea of taxing the rich, she thinks she is paying her fair share.

Tax that WOMAN behind the tree.

They better tax Susan, she voted for this guy, tax thelimousine liberals and leave the rest of us alone.

I don’t place my faith in invisible sorcerers in the sky and in things for which there is absolutely no evidence.

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Sounds like you are saying that you only believe what is visible and what you personally see with your own eyes,… perhaps only those things in the natural physical world that can be touched, heard, felt, etc. If we didn’t know now what we do in these modern times and I told you that EVERYTHING in the universe is made up of things we cannot see or feel,..then you wouldn’t have believed it either. Just like the bible says…that the things that are visible are temporary and the things that are invisible are eternal. I guess You don’t believe that either. The truth is I personally do have evidence in my own spirit that God bears witness to me that I belong to him. However it isn’t something physically tangible that you could see with your eyes so I guess you think I’m lying to you.

Well reality tells me that there is something gravely wrong with this old world. Can you give me any evidence that this world isn’t under condemnation and in need of God and a Savior as the bible says.
Can you give me any evidence that everything is going to be alright and that everything is just rosie? Do you have any evidence to share with everyone that we and our children don’t need to seek God as he instructs us to do. You know,…seek him while he may be found. That there is no garauntee for tomorrow for we don’t know what tomorrow brings?

What is the reality you see and place your faith in when for example you witness someones 6 year old daughter inflicted and suffering from terminal cancer? Or how about when someone’s wife and daughter is attacked, raped, tortured, killed and then set on fire. How about when you are on your own death bed what reality do you place your faith in then?

Do you at that point just put your faith in FATE perhaps? …. What will be, will be? I sure hope you wouldn’t do that with something as valuable as your own life! …. especially since you most likely don’t trust practically anything else you possibly possess of value to just merely fate. I implore you to seek God. Not because I want you to say I’m right but because I know the truth in my spirit as I have told you. I have no reason to lie to you.

ULTIMATELY…what are you placing your faith in???

Reality, and what we have learned about it.

I don’t place my faith in invisible sorcerers in the sky and in things for which there is absolutely no evidence.

If asking you to explain what you mean by “good” is stupid, then, “Guilty.”

davidk on November 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

I gave you an answer perfectly simpatico with what any creationist claiming ‘objective moral authority from the invisible skybeing’ would say, which also has nothing to do with the tread topic.

Enewitok coral under very generous, optimum coral forming conditions, would still take 54,000 years. Kinda blows your theory out of the water, ehem. This is #26 on the list.

The other 2 instances are also easy to find rebuttals on, but I’m short of time today. The time between now and Christmas is accelerating supernaturally. It’ll be here in the blink of an eye. I must get shopping….

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Sure, I place MY FAITH in a lot of things and even people,…pharmacists, bankers, daycare workers, etc…. We all place our faith in so many things at times ….But,….(you left out an important word)…… ULTIMATELY…what are you placing your faith in???

Is science, knowledge, education, money, savings account, or anything else ultimately going to save you?

Perhaps you don’t think you need saving? …You know,…from our biggest and most obvious pressing problem we ever do or will face….sin, corruption, desease,and in the end….DEATH. The bible doesn’t sugar coat the truth. It point blank says that we are under condemnation and all those very things listed are signs of that condemnation. God doesn’t have to condemn us….WE condemn ourselves by not keeping God’s law…just like we would also condemn ourselves if we jumped off the empire state building and tried breaking the law of gravity.
Remember though, God sent not his Son to comdemn the world but to SAVE it from condemnation.

Why place your faith in so many different things but refuse to place just a little tiny amount of faith (like a small mustard seed) just enough to cause you to go seek GOD who created you, the most valuable and important of all treasures anyone could seek. All he asks is that you come to him in spirit and in truth. You can go to him anytime, anywhere and in COMPLETE privacy……and tell him in all earnest your great need for him and ask Him to reveal HIMSELF and TRUTH to you.
He doesn’t want you to get to know him by way of a formula or by gathering enough facts and book smarts to prove himself. He wants to know you personally….on a personal level. After all, in the end isn’t that the most important thing there is? To know God.
If not, please tell me what in your opinion is THE SINGLE most important thing in life.

–Aliens seeded life on earth
–Life arose from non-life, against a law in biology called Biogenesis
–Humans are just advanced apes
–Aliens from outer space built the pyramids

Many Darwinist textbooks have outdated ideas & “evidence” like the supposed horse evolution series, & that archaeopteryx is a transitional form between birds and reptiles (leading Darwinists have now rejected these claims).

And throughout the decades, Darwinists have put forth deliberate frauds such as Piltdown Man, doctored photos of British dark & light-colored moths, and the fake Haeckel embryo chart, all of which ARE STILL IN SOME SCIENCE TEXTBOOKS.

I’m sorry this is difficult for you to grok.

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I really doubt you are sorry. Just a guess.

Science was made possible through a Judeo-Christian worldview. I know this is not just difficult for you to grasp, it is impossible for you to grasp given your naturalistic presuppositions.

Presuppositions. You know–those things you accept to be true without proof, by faith.

Another thought provoking response from the “Good” Lt.

davidk on November 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

It was an appropriate response to a stupid statement.

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM

If asking you to explain what you mean by “good” is stupid, then, “Guilty.”

Faith?

davidk on November 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Did I stutter?

You realize all those things were developed by creationists?

Who cares? Newton was a Christian who also believed you could turn metals into gold and in the existence of an elixer of eternal life.

Doesn’t have anything to do with his scientific discoveries, which had nothing to do with supernatural invisible skybeings, deities, myths, the Bible or anything else.

The measure of the worth of these contributions is what humanity gets from them. Humanity has derived benefit from Newton’s scientific work, not his beliefs in the supernatural.

The things I listed were certainly not developed because of creationism, due to creationism, with knowledge gained through creationism or with the rejection of science.

I’m sorry this is difficult for you to grok.

When you contract an illness and take medicine or get treatment, fly in a plane, drive in a car, post a comment on the Internet, drink clean water, etc., you’re placing your faith in science.

Not one of those things or any other convenience and technology we enjoy in our modern age was brought about by an invisible skybeing(s) or by praying to the invisible skybeing(s).

Your faith is placed in science implicitly whether you like it or not.

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

You realize all those things were developed by creationists?

Your faith is placed in science implicitly whether you like it or not.

Faith?

Ultimately, will you place your faith in GOD or SCIENCE?

When you contract an illness and take medicine or get treatment, fly in a plane, drive in a car, post a comment on the Internet, drink clean water, etc., you’re placing your faith in science.

Not one of those things or any other convenience and technology we enjoy in our modern age was brought about by an invisible skybeing(s) or by praying to the invisible skybeing(s).

Your faith is placed in science implicitly whether you like it or not.

Another thought provoking response from the “Good” Lt.

davidk on November 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

It was an appropriate response to a stupid statement.

They are in good company:

“I am not prepared to accept anything that disagrees with my naturalistic conceptions.”~Adolf Eichmann

davidk on November 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Hitler was not an atheist.

Spare us the ‘atheist=Hitler/Nazis or something’ routine. It’s exactly the opposite:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA006_1.html

Next stupid claim, please.

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 11:30 AM

You know, a careful reading of my comment would have spared you from looking ignorant.

I said nothing about Hitler or Nazis.

I did not specify anyone’s belief or lack thereof.

However, one can assume that a person claiming “naturalistic conceptions” is, by definition, an atheist.

“What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right?”~Richard Dawkins.

The Good Lt. is “good,” but he can’t tell us why.

davidk on November 21, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Because an invisible magic subjective being that I can’t prove exists says so but doesn’t, the end. Oh, and you’re Hitler.

/creationist

Good Lt on November 21, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Another thought provoking response from the “Good” Lt.

I mean whether you believe in God or not, at the very least you should understand that the concept or idea of a God is that he is SUPERnatural! You know…He is above the natural! Natural laws don’t tell him what his limits are; it’s exactly the other way around. How silly it is then for these SCIENCE worshippers to attempt to capture, bind, and destroy the GOD of the bible. I think they really enjoy and feel good about themselves as they “put” GOD in a box and keep him all locked up! HA!

This whole discussion can be summed up and should be asked by every individual with the question, Who or what is greater….GOD or SCIENCE….Who or what is above all things? … Is SCIENCE above GOD? ….Or is GOD above SCIENCE?

Is GOD limited by what your SCIENCE tells him?

Ultimately, will you place your faith in GOD or SCIENCE?

I read somewhere a story about a group of scientist who built themselves a time machine and then went back in time to the exact day after God created the first man Adam. The great scientist told God that not only did he not have any concept of science but he was actually UNTRUE and a LIAR!….and that because their great wealth of knowledge and evidence told them that God couldn’t possibly have created Adam the day before because that would make him very young…one day old in fact!…. and he had to be at a minimum 17 to 25 years old! ….and this would be obvious even to a little child without such a great scientific mind as their own! Boy how they felt so good to be so high and mighty looking down on such a silly small God.

I can just see God smiling all the while! Ha! Ha!

Oh how the small and foolish things so confound the “Wise of this world”!

You should know that all the knowledge in the world can’t and won’t SAVE you! Not only did the people on board the Titanic know and have a good understanding what their problem was….they even had the ship’s engineer on board with them and you can bet he had all the knowledge possible and knew EXACTLY what the problem and even their solution was and we all know how that turned out.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of TRUE WISDOM.

First, they ask us a question that pits our faith against policy. They then hope we blow it. Then if we do blow it, they not only beat the individual candidate senseless with it, they use it to tarnish the GOP as a whole…

The correct answer would’ve been shorter than Rubio’s response. “I don’t think the earth affects our current economic situation.” If pressed, continue to redirect “I’m happy to answer questions about solving the problems that Americans face in their daily lives, and in the future. But I’m not going to waste time on science trivia.”

What may be the worst consequence of all coming out of this election is that the left now believes they have been given by the voters a green light to launch any attack no matter how sick or depraved.

Speakup on November 21, 2012 at 10:09 AM

They’ve been doing that since time immemorial. This isn’t a new development.

The Good Lt. is “good,” but he can’t tell us why.

davidk on November 21, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Because an invisible magic subjective being that I can’t prove exists says so but doesn’t, the end. Oh, and you’re Hitler.

/creationist