Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on November 20, 2012 by Allahpundit

On CNN Tuesday morning, Jeb Bush Jr. — the son of former Florida governor Jeb Bush — said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) gave “kind of a head-scratching type of answer” to a recent question about the age of the Earth…

“We’ve got to be a kind of pro-science and pro-technology party. And I think Marco Rubio is just that,” Bush said. “On the Earth question, I guess I have to read more closely in terms of getting a better understanding, but, yeah, kind of a strange response, I guess.”

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To begin with, Rubio’s remarks are not even an accurate description of what’s laid out in the Bible. It was not a seven-day process to make the Earth, according to the King James Bible’s Genesis. The Earth itself was made on the first day, though it took until the third day for the waters to be gathered together and dry land to emerge. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” is first thing that Genesis describes, even if “the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep,” and it was not until the third day that “God called the dry land Earth.”

Secondly, scientists estimate the age of the Earth from geological research on rocks from this planet, the moon, and from meteorites — not from “recorded history.” Recorded history only takes us back to the Sumerians in the 4th millennium B.C., though the history of art takes us back another 34,000 years or so after that. So the dispute is not between the historical record and theological interpretations — history and theology were actually quite intertwined at the start of writing. The dispute is between science and an anti-modern strain of Christian theology rejected by leaders of a number of the major Christian denominations, including Pope Benedict XVI, who has said, “there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”

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Interestingly, although this debate over evolution and the Earth’s age has invaded our politics for almost a century, prior to the era of William Jennings Bryan and the Scopes Monkey trial, many Protestant Christian theologians thought evolution was acceptable as part of God’s plan…

The storm surrounding Rubio’s comments speaks to a larger issue: The Republican Party and the conservative movement need to be more introspective. Conservatives need to think through their responses to these type of questions before they are asked. This is a discussion that conservative politicians of faith need to have; but I suspect, like talking to your kids about sex, it is generally avoided.

I can respect anyone’s faith, and so I respect people who believe in a young Earth. But Christians and conservatives ought to know that science and God do not have to be at odds.

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For starters, our candidates need to understand that after successfully disqualifying Senate candidates Todd Akin and Richard Murdouck, the media now thinks they’ve cracked a code: First, they ask us a question that pits our faith against policy. They then hope we blow it. Then if we do blow it, they not only beat the individual candidate senseless with it, they use it to tarnish the GOP as a whole…

Stay as far away from the media as possible. Rubio talking to GQ is like a Christian entering the lion’s den. The lack of judgement he showed in subjecting himself to this interview is troublesome. There’s absolutely no upside in subjecting yourself to a GQ, unless you’re under the delusional belief you can win them over…

Because we can’t avoid the media entirely, our side needs to have better answers to these kinds of questions. We now know what the tactic is, so we have to be prepared for it.

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[H]ere’s then-Sen. Obama, D-Ill., speaking at the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa. on April 13, 2008:

Q: Senator, if one of your daughters asked you—and maybe they already have—“Daddy, did god really create the world in 6 days?,” what would you say?

A: What I’ve said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that’s what I believe. I know there’s always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don’t, and I think it’s a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I’m a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live—that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don’t presume to know…

It seems to me that Rubio is right. Lots of basic scientific questions have no bearing whatsoever on the nation’s short-term economic growth.

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Here’s an even more disturbing thought – scientists currently believe that the Earth is about 4.54 billion years old because radioactive substances decay at generally stable rates. Accordingly, by observing how much of a radioactive substance has decayed, scientists are able to determine how old that substance is. However, if the Earth is only 9,000 years old, then radioactive decay rates are unstable and subject to rapid acceleration under completely unknown circumstances. This poses an enormous danger to the country’s nuclear power plants, which could undergo an unanticipated meltdown at any time due to currently unpredictable circumstances. Likewise, accelerated decay could lead to the detonation of our nuclear weapons, and cause injuries and death to people undergoing radioactive treatments in hospitals. Any of these circumstances would obviously have a large economic impact.

If the Earth is really 9,000 years old, as Paul Broun believes and Rubio is willing to remain ignorant about, it becomes imperative to shut down our nuclear plants and dismantle our nuclear stockpiles now until such time as scientists are able to ascertain what circumstances exist that could cause deadly acceleration of radioactive decay and determine how to prevent it from happening.

The bottom line is that this economy, at its root, is built on a web of scientific knowledge from physics to chemistry to biology. It’s impossible to just cherry pick out parts we don’t like. If the Earth is 9,000 years old, then virtually the entire construct of modern science is simply wrong. Not only that, most of the technology that we rely on most likely wouldn’t work – as they’re dependent on science that operates on the same physical laws that demonstrate the age of the universe.

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As I wrote on Sunday, there are more important factors driving the Obama realignment than the supposed triumph of Reason and Progress that many liberals claim to see at work. But it’s still neither politically helpful nor intellectually healthy for a minority political party to pick pointless fights with the nation’s scientific and technical elite. Unless you believe that the 2016 Iowa caucuses are really, truly going to turn on the fundamentalist interpretation of Genesis (they aren’t), there’s no good reason why the “politician’s answer” on the kind of gotcha question GQ tossed at Rubio couldn’t go something more like this:

I’m not a scientist, but I respect the scientific consensus that says that the earth is — what, something like a few billions of years old, right? I don’t have any trouble reconciling that consensus with my faith. I don’t think the 7 days in Genesis have to be literal 24-hour days. I don’t have strong opinions about the specifics of how to teach these issues — that’s for school boards to decide, and I’m not running for school board — but I think religion and science can be conversation partners, and I think kids can benefit from that conversation.

More broadly, meanwhile, the fact that this kind of question is a “gotcha” at all is a much bigger problem for American Christianity than for Republican politicians. The goal of a political party is to win 51 percent of the vote and govern effectively, and as Rubio suggests, the ordinary work of politics can proceed even if some national politicians decline to take public views on the geological age of the earth. But the goal of Christianity is supposed to be the conversion of every human heart — yes, scientists and intellectuals included — and the central claim of Christianity is that the faith offers, not a particular political agenda or an economic program, but the true story of the world entire. The more Christians convince themselves that their faith’s core is identical with the modern innovation of fundamentalism, and in direct conflict with the best available modern biology and geology, the less attainable that goal and the less tenable that central claim.

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Truth be told, I think the world is billions of years old, but I have no doubt God created it. I believe the same word that many interpret as “days” in Genesis can also honestly be interpreted as “phases,” which I do, i.e. a day at the beginning was not a day as we know it now. But I don’t doubt there were six phases of creation and then a seventh of rest. I certainly don’t have a problem with people who think the world was created in six 24 hour days. For all any of us know, it could have been. God said “Let there be light,” and I think the result was a big bang. I think that God set evolution in motion and over time we have changed and evolved by His own design and plan…

I reject evolution for the sake of evolution and reject that life on this planet, let alone the existence of this universe, is some random act. I reject that we are little better than the animals we evolved from because I reject that we evolved from anything other than God’s own mind. We were created in his image. We did not evolve into it. The only people certain in their belief on this matter are those who accept theory as fact and Truth as mythology…

There was once a time when most everyone in public life professed a faith in the things of the Bible. That time is more and more becoming unacceptable to those who shape the news. These secularists have made a concerted effort to turn the world hostile to that faith and belief and have allied themselves with weak theologians to turn young Christians into more worldly, secularly focused milquetoast weepers worshiping an effeminate Christ who only hugs kids and cries, but does not fight, does not take sides, and is accommodationist to the world and its amorality and increasing immorality because, dude, he hung out with prostitutes and cried about another dude dying. They want to define the Christ they prefer to believe in, rather than believe the Christ that is.


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6,000 years..

Electrongod on November 20, 2012 at 10:02 PM

1?

ted c on November 20, 2012 at 10:03 PM

God!!!…

Everyone in but a Democrat..

Electrongod on November 20, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Good grief.

Curtiss on November 20, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Obama would have bowed to Osama..

If presented…

Electrongod on November 20, 2012 at 10:05 PM

16 trillion dollars

tom daschle concerned on November 20, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Jesus Christ, no more senators!

Lanceman on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM

God!!!…

Everyone in but a Democrat..

Electrongod on November 20, 2012 at 10:03 PM

And others…

Electrongod on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Why does anyone care?

sharrukin on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Why does anyone care?

sharrukin on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM

No one cares

We just have time to waste..

Electrongod on November 20, 2012 at 10:07 PM

No one cares

We just have time to waste..

Electrongod on November 20, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Well too many in the Republican party and the press seem to get their tails all wound up over something like this.

sharrukin on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

God created the universe on October 23, 4004 BC.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

GOP candidates have to learn how to answer these gotcha questions…

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Nice of Jeb Bush to throw Marco under the bus.

And my god… enough over-examining this. It seems like this question was planted and now people are rushing to be outrageously outraged and mystified.

His answer was fine.

dforston on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Jesus Christ, no more senators!

Lanceman on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6VAy9y_iQ

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM

The more I see of our 2016 choices, the more concerned I become. I kind of assumed we had an embarrassment of riches. In the last few weeks,….I dunno……

a capella on November 20, 2012 at 10:13 PM

The truth is that the earth is just 6 years old. I cannot find any tweets, not a single tweet, that could verify that something actually existed before 2006. Think about it!

Valkyriepundit on November 20, 2012 at 10:13 PM

God created the universe on October 23, 4004 BC.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

At 9 am.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:14 PM

GOP candidates have to learn how to answer these gotcha questions…

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

No, the GOP needs to avoid the MainStreamMedia like the plague.

JPeterman on November 20, 2012 at 10:14 PM

But it’s still neither politically helpful nor intellectually healthy for a minority political party to pick pointless fights with the nation’s scientific and technical elite.

Rubio was picking a fight? He was asked the bloody question by GQ. GQ? Really? Who doesn’t believe this was a setup.

The best answer for Rubio to have given would have been something along the line of: “Where did that question come from? How does whether I believe in a non-causal spontaneous generation theory of cosmology or in an eternal, uncreated being creating the universe make any difference in the fact that we have a government that is $16T in debt, destroying the liberties and freedoms of our fellow citizens, and destroying the economy with unfettered regulations? What are you trying to accomplish by asking such a question? That somehow someone who is a person of faith is unfit to solve the problems created by someone who believes in evolution?”

AZfederalist on November 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

God created the universe on October 23, 4004 BC.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Uh-uh! It was October 22. It was a short day.

cozmo on November 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

“Mr. GOP Dude, please fully explain your understanding of every issue down to the atomic level and if you seem hesitant in any way whatsoever we will bury you.”

“Mr. Preznit, why are you so awesome?”

Bishop on November 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

This is what’s passing for journalism.

Pathetic.

itsspideyman on November 20, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Could 2016 be Jeb Bush’s turn to lose?

Curtiss on November 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

i know that the R party is the party of Stupid. and i know that Stupid is what Stupid does.

the Breitbart piece is actually a little wrong. The Left has framed the issue and is now pushing its advantage…in order to eliminate the R party. Akin was a idiot who fell into the trap.

Frame…Rs are stupid and scientifically illiterate and denailists…and NOT Qualified for much of anything

Climate
Michael Fox and embryonic stem cells vs. Rush
Terry Schiavo
Contraception and Stephy

the left is ratcheting down the thumb screws…boots on the necks of the Rs. Make the piggish Rs squeal.

the leftist press loves this game…makes them look smart and hip…kinda like prezy eye-candy…beating up on the dimsters

oh, and btw…the left is the party of the Anti Nuclear Power…they like Windmills…and they love themselves a little abortion

r keller on November 20, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Could 2016 be Jeb Bush’s turn to lose?

Curtiss on November 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Maybe the primaries.

Valkyriepundit on November 20, 2012 at 10:19 PM

16 trillion dollars

tom daschle concerned on November 20, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Yes indeed, that’s change you can believe in and it will yield very nasty results very soon.

But yes, let’s talk about who Gen. P and his buddies are porking. Or maybe the age of the earth? Or anything other than the entitlement crisis, the disaster that is our foreign policy, the chronic unemployment, the DoJ PERIOD, the bi-partisan NDAA.

You know the rest.

CorporatePiggy on November 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM

“Mr. GOP Dude, please fully explain your understanding of every issue down to the atomic level and if you seem hesitant in any way whatsoever we will bury you.”

“Mr. Preznit, why are you so awesome?”

Bishop on November 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

And this is what any Republican will have to face by the Liberal Media until something changes.

Why can’t AP see this?

sentinelrules on November 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM

No, 2016 will be Palin’s turn to win.

If she actually wants the job at that point.

Lanceman on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

God created the universe on October 23, 4004 BC.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Uh-uh! It was October 22. It was a short day.

cozmo on November 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

God created the universe on October 23, 4004 BC.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Give or take a day.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

OT: More rockets into Israel… IDF F-16s flying over David Lee Miller’s head towards Gaza

Ugly on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Jesus Christ, no more senators!

Lanceman on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM

What else is left? Governor Christie?

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Stay as far away from the media as possible. Rubio talking to GQ is like a Christian entering the lion’s den. The lack of judgement he showed in subjecting himself to this interview is troublesome. There’s absolutely no upside in subjecting yourself to a GQ, unless you’re under the delusional belief you can win them over…

It was not a serious question and not meant to be anything other than a opportunity for a gotcha moment. The questions was asked with the hope of eliciting an answer which could be used against him.

I thought Sen. Rubio’s answer was a good one though not perfect. If he intends to run for higher office in the future, he will have to be very cautious how he words things as Akin and Murdouck now know all too well.

An interview with the likes of GQ and other liberal(therefore, most)media is like a minefield. Trod Carefully!

Jvette on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Go ahead and try to throw Christians under the bus there Jeb. I’m sure that a GOP that has lost two turnout elections in a row doesn’t have to worry about alienating Evangelicals who don’t necessarily buy into the theory of evolution.

By the way, Genesis 1:2 should state that the Earth became without form and void. #1961 in the Strong’s Concordance. 1:1 simply says In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. It does not say when… A study of the three Earth ages though is more than anybody should attempt to undertake in the comments of a political blog.

Gingotts on November 20, 2012 at 10:22 PM

O/T, but not by much…

… Rubio’s interview is just a distraction.

This is not…

… Anyone remember this?

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

Seven Percent Solution on November 20, 2012 at 10:22 PM

r keller on November 20, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Succinct summation.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

The bottom line is that this economy, at its root, is built on a web of scientific knowledge from physics to chemistry to biology. It’s impossible to just cherry pick out parts we don’t like. If the Earth is 9,000 years old, then virtually the entire construct of modern science is simply wrong. Not only that, most of the technology that we rely on most likely wouldn’t work – as they’re dependent on science that operates on the same physical laws that demonstrate the age of the universe.

Spot on.

farsighted on November 20, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Are we supposed to f***ing worry in 2012 if this silly Q/A about the Earth age is going to effect the 2016 elections? Well Obama gave a very similar answer to the same question in 2008… http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/11/rubio_and_obama_and_the_age_of_earth_politicians_hedge_about_whether_universe.html

Is it stupid to believe that the Earth was created in seven days or it is 6000 years old? Of course it is… Just basic carbon dating and other proven scientific method tell us that the Earth is at least 4 billions years old… However most voters do not give a f*** about this issue…

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 20, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I was thinking about that just yesterday and wondering when it would rear its ugly head.

(No offense, Ugly.)

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:24 PM

At some point every Conservative politician is going to have to be prepared to take charge of an interview and simply tell the interviewer that some issues are not going to be discussed….PERIOD!!!
Some questions are simply too inane and irrelevant to waste time with. And likewise some interviewers as well.
As a matter of fact, a really artful politician would be rehearsed and prepared for such an eventuality and very smoothly use it to ambush the interviewer, and put them on the defensive.

Lew on November 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM

The more I see of our 2016 choices, the more concerned I become. I kind of assumed we had an embarrassment of riches. In the last few weeks,….I dunno……

a capella on November 20, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Mike Pence, but don’t tell anyone.

JPeterman on November 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Mike Pence, but don’t tell anyone.

JPeterman on November 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM

And no $200 haircuts!

Lanceman on November 20, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Mike Pence, but don’t tell anyone.

JPeterman on November 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Dont you think he will run for a 2nd term as Governor?

Valkyriepundit on November 20, 2012 at 10:26 PM

It was not a serious question and not meant to be anything other than a opportunity for a gotcha moment. The questions was asked with the hope of eliciting an answer which could be used against him.

Just because you don’t like a question or your candidate doesn’t handle it well, doesn’t make it a “gotcha” question.

It was a perfectly fine question in the context of potential presidential race where rabid evangelicals may determine the nomination. Rubio simply should have answered it more convincingly. At any rate, this will be forgotten by everyone but Breitbart-addicted malcontents by New Years, at which time he’ll have memorized somehting less stupid to say the next time the question comes up.

I predict that by the time the Sunday morning talk shows come on, some of you will have been whining about this longer than it took God to create the Earth.

urban elitist on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Gingotts on November 20, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I think a better translation of Genesis 1:1 would be: “In the beginning, God created space and matter.”

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Could 2016 be Jeb Bush’s turn to lose?

Curtiss on November 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I hope not, but based on the friendly fire-I’d say that is the plan.

melle1228 on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

The more I see of our 2016 choices, the more concerned I become. I kind of assumed we had an embarrassment of riches. In the last few weeks,….I dunno……

a capella on November 20, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Worrying about 2016 already? We have many more things to overcome right now before worrying about 2016…

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

What else is left? Governor Christie?

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

We have 30 Governors. Should be able to pick a good one from that bench.

gophergirl on November 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM

They’re playing chess, we’re playing checkers. Rubio should have known better.

SAZMD on November 20, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Gag, Mr. Rubio will be set up for the fall of all falls.
We neglect to really access the enemy. They have no boundaries.

Keep your head down Mr. Rubio and lay really low, muscle you SENATE seat.

Jeeze.

seesalrun2 on November 20, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Is it stupid to believe that the Earth was created in seven days or it is 6000 years old? Of course it is… Just basic carbon dating and other proven scientific method tell us that the Earth is at least 4 billions years old… However most voters do not give a f*** about this issue…

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Eh. Just call me stupid.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:29 PM

What else is left? Governor Christie?

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Bite your tongue.

Curtiss on November 20, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Just because you don’t like a question or your candidate doesn’t handle it well, doesn’t make it a “gotcha” question.

It was a perfectly fine question in the context of potential presidential race where rabid evangelicals may determine the nomination. Rubio simply should have answered it more convincingly. At any rate, this will be forgotten by everyone but Breitbart-addicted malcontents by New Years, at which time he’ll have memorized somehting less stupid to say the next time the question comes up.

I predict that by the time the Sunday morning talk shows come on, some of you will have been whining about this longer than it took God to create the Earth.

urban elitist on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

The welfare class President gave a similar answer in 2008…

Obama gave a very similar answer to the same question in 2008… http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/11/rubio_and_obama_and_the_age_of_earth_

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:30 PM

May GQ end up just like Newsweek by the end of the year.

sentinelrules on November 20, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I predict that by the time the Sunday morning talk shows come on, some of you will have been whining about this longer than it took God to create the Earth.

urban elitist on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

That’s a good line.

But I still think you’re a twit.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:31 PM

We have 30 Governors. Should be able to pick a good one from that bench.

gophergirl on November 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM

If you’re counting Haslam as one, cross him off. He wouldn’t announce no to a state exchange even though he recognized that the GOP super majority controlled state house and senate wouldn’t go for it. He’s a wuss.

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:31 PM

urban elitist on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Why do you have a racist username?

JPeterman on November 20, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Reduce the spending, fools – don’t cover up. Go to the root cause of the problems.

Taxing is robbing people of their labor.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM

AZfederalist on November 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Well, he gave the answer he gave, but in my fantasy world he answers ala Gingrich in the debates…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_g23JkXnU

Jvette on November 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Sorry, wrong, thread…or who cares? It’s all the same any more.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM

It was a perfectly fine question in the context of potential presidential race where rabid evangelicals may determine the nomination. Rubio simply should have answered it more convincingly.

It was the same answer Obama gave, but since Obama is black, a democrat, and black, Obama’s response is super-awesome. Rubio, a White, Republican, response is evil or something.

sentinelrules on November 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Eh. Just call me stupid.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Do you really believe that Earth is 6000 years old? If so then this is stupid but totally irrelevant to me because I do not give a damn about how people think in term of Geology but rather whether they believe in America free market economy or not, whether they are capitalists of damn communists….

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM

If you’re counting Haslam as one, cross him off. He wouldn’t announce no to a state exchange even though he recognized that the GOP super majority controlled state house and senate wouldn’t go for it. He’s a wuss.

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Actually Walker and Martinez are my early favorites. Pence wouldn’t be bad either.

gophergirl on November 20, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Martinez won’t be on the ticket. She’s running for re-election as governor because she has a disabled sister to look after.

sentinelrules on November 20, 2012 at 10:35 PM

No, 2016 will be Palin’s turn to win.

If she actually wants the job at that point.

Lanceman on November 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

LOL, from what I’ve seen so far even Mike Murphy will be begging her to run.

ddrintn on November 20, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Actually Walker and Martinez are my early favorites. Pence wouldn’t be bad either.

gophergirl on November 20, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I could go for any of those, but that is three, not thirty…

ladyingray on November 20, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Believing that the Earth is only 9,000 years old is no dumber than believing in Al Gore’s Global Warming, maybe even a little less so, although that’s not saying much..

VorDaj on November 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Some try to measure age by how much C14 has decayed. Many people think that radiocarbon dating proves billions of years. But evolutionists know it can’t, because C14 decays too fast. Its half-life (t½) is only 5,730 years—that is, every 5,730 years, half of it decays away. After two half lives, a quarter is left; after three half lives, only an eighth; after 10 half lives, less than a thousandth is left. In fact, a lump of C14 as massive as the earth would have all decayed in less than a million years.

So if samples were really over a million years old, there would be no radiocarbon left. But this is not what we find, even with very sensitive C14 detectors.

http://creation.com/diamonds-a-creationists-best-friend

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Actually Walker and Martinez are my early favorites. Pence wouldn’t be bad either.

gophergirl on November 20, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I’d be thrilled with either Walker or Pence. Martinez? Why? Because she’s a Latina?

ddrintn on November 20, 2012 at 10:38 PM

The welfare class President gave a similar answer in 2008…

Obama gave a very similar answer to the same question in 2008… http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/11/rubio_and_obama_and_the_age_of_earth_

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Obama’s answr was significantly more polished, gently made it clear that he did not take the Bible literally in this regard but respected the beliefs of those who do, and his supporters failed to to into paroxysms of whining that he’d even been asked.

Rubio just need to learn how to pander a little more elegantly.

urban elitist on November 20, 2012 at 10:38 PM

And here’s then-Sen. Obama, D-Ill., speaking at the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa. on April 13, 2008:

Q: Senator, if one of your daughters asked you—and maybe they already have—“Daddy, did god really create the world in 6 days?,” what would you say?

A: What I’ve said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that’s what I believe. I know there’s always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don’t, and I think it’s a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I’m a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live—that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don’t presume to know.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Do you really believe that Earth is 6000 years old? If so then this is stupid but totally irrelevant to me because I do not give a damn about how people think in term of Geology but rather whether they believe in America free market economy or not, whether they are capitalists of damn communists….

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I believe that the God of the Bible created the earth in 6 literal days, but I am not dogmatic about it.

I am agnostic about the earth’s age except to state I believe that the earth is “young.”

Politically, I am a conservative.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:40 PM

God created the universe on October 23, 4004 BC.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM

And Obama will have destroyed the best of it by January, 2017.

VorDaj on November 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Back to stuff that matters, why are we not talking about the Fiscal Cliff? Yeah not an attractive thing because we have to f***ing worry about 2016 elections only few weeks after the 2012 elections and analyze like bunch of idiots Rubio is already finished for 2016 because of Q & A about the Earth age…

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Obama is an atheist, who pretends to be Christian, Jewish or Muslim, depending who’s in front of him. Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.

Obama is the biggest Liar the Earth ever encountered.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I hope Walker runs. He’s a proven reformer with a record and he’s shown he can stand up to intense fire and still come out on top.

Mark1971 on November 20, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I am agnostic about the earth’s age except to state I believe that the earth is “young.”

Politically, I am a conservative.

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Nothing can be young that is older than John McCain or Hillary Clinton, even if only by a few days.

VorDaj on November 20, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Saying that the USA has 57 states is really dumb.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:42 PM

A: What I’ve said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that’s what I believe. I know there’s always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don’t, and I think it’s a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I’m a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live—that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don’t presume to know.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:39 PM

And that’s essentially what Rubio also said. Next topic.

ddrintn on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

This is really, really, really stupid, especially for the “smartest president, evah”.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Obama is an atheist, who pretends to be Christian, Jewish or Muslim, depending who’s in front of him. Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.

Obama is the biggest Liar the Earth ever encountered.

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Yes, I believe Obama is an atheist, but with Muslim simpatico.

VorDaj on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

A: What I’ve said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that’s what I believe.

Good grief.

sentinelrules on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Obama’s answr was significantly more polished, gently made it clear that he did not take the Bible literally in this regard but respected the beliefs of those who do, and his supporters failed to to into paroxysms of whining that he’d even been asked.

Rubio just need to learn how to pander a little more elegantly.

urban elitist on November 20, 2012 at 10:38 PM

The whole issue is irrelevant to most voters…

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

And that’s essentially what Rubio also said. Next topic.

ddrintn on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Who says there’s no bipartisanship idiocy in WA?

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Isn’t Rubio a Catholic and doesn’t the Catholic Church accept the 4.6 billion-year-old age of the Earth?

Mark1971 on November 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I beleive that God created the earth. I also believe that the method He used to create the earth was evolution-but that that his ‘hands’ were in it at EVERY juncture. THAT, ladies and germs, is Intelligent Design.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM

A: What I’ve said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that’s what I believe.

Good grief.

sentinelrules on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

“Obama is elegant and nuanced and Rubio is a rube” — urban elitist

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The Left has framed the issue and is now pushing its advantage…in order to eliminate the R party.

Frame…Rs are stupid and scientifically illiterate and denailists…and NOT Qualified for much of anything

r keller on November 20, 2012 at 10:19 PM

^^^^THIS.

It may not seem a “serious” question, but the Left is absolutely serious about their mission and they are setting the table for destruction now. By the time 2014 and 2016 rolls around, they will have established at least several more sorta, kinda “unserious” questions about the GOP’s lack of intellectual, spiritual, or moral qualities that they will decide are appropriate (notice it’s not a two-way street; only they get to decide). I believe it was INC who mentioned about discerning propaganda the other day and trying to find ways to combat it. That is exactly what this is.

PatriotGal2257 on November 20, 2012 at 10:46 PM

This may seem like a ridiculous question, considering, but is it really the position of the Republican Party that they don’t want anyone’s support who doesn’t pass the God test?

Secular people who favor the principles of limited government, fiscal responsibility and free enterprise should all go…. where, exactly?

I honestly don’t get it. Is it about theocracy or democracy? Did not a large number of original settlers in this country come here to escape religious persecution? Does the freedom of religion not also extend to following no religion?

I’m seriously concerned, personally, about my nation. I don’t care if Sen. Rubio knows the archeological age of the earth or not. It’s old. And it’s not getting any younger. More importantly, the people living on it are a mess.

I’d love to focus on that and leave the rest for the church, or the synagogue, or the temple, or the great outdoors.

IndieDogg on November 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Yes, I believe Obama is an atheist, but with Muslim simpatico.

VorDaj on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

the only ‘god’ Zero worships….is himself.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Someone please tell me what was wrong with Rubio’s answer.

Vince on November 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Believing that the Earth is only 9,000 years old is no dumber than believing in Al Gore’s Global Warming, maybe even a little less so, although that’s not saying much..

VorDaj on November 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I totally agree… Both are stupid but with the pushers of the voodoo science called man made Global Warming want to tax the hell out of us to make them rich… Carbon trading and Carbon tax is no different than the paper of indulgence during the middle age Catholics church… The church lied to the faithful by telling them that buying the paper of indulgence would save their souls and the church of man made global warming is telling the fools who follow it that buying carbon credit and having carbon tax would save the earth and them….

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Mark1971 on November 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I’m also an RC-and the Church believes what I less than articulately wrote in my first comment.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Hey!

How is the Wal*Mart walkout lookin’ in Lubbock?

And are you their leader?

Enquiring minds want to know.

cozmo on November 20, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Someone please tell me what was wrong with Rubio’s answer.

Vince on November 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM

It didn’t give the lefty media what they wanted.

cozmo on November 20, 2012 at 10:50 PM

The whole issue is irrelevant to most voters…

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

I’ll buy that. Although given that 35 thousand votes in Iowa would have given somebody a clear plurailty in 2012, and the prominence of the Evangelicals among organizers and caucus-goers, it only has to be relevant to a few.

Given Rubio’s somewhat complex spiritual journey, I wonder if he might be be more aware of their influence than someone who was just a straight-up Southern Baptist.

urban elitist on November 20, 2012 at 10:51 PM

“Age of the earth 101 evidences for a young age of the earth and the universe” http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

davidk on November 20, 2012 at 10:51 PM

This may seem like a ridiculous question, considering, but is it really the position of the Republican Party that they don’t want anyone’s support who doesn’t pass the God test?

Secular people who favor the principles of limited government, fiscal responsibility and free enterprise should all go…. where, exactly?

IndieDogg on November 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Its the pro-evolutionist side (which I am on) who are far more upset at Young-Earthers. They are the ones holding this up as a standard.

sharrukin on November 20, 2012 at 10:52 PM

However most voters do not give a f*** about this issue…

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Mark1971 on November 20, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Worrying about 2016 already? We have many more things to overcome right now before worrying about 2016

mnjg on November 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Truthfully, we can’t do much about any of them. I hope you aren’t expecting the House to be the point of the spear.

a capella on November 20, 2012 at 10:53 PM

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