Elmo creator resigns as second sex allegation surfaces

posted at 4:07 pm on November 20, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Topping off a surreal month of news coverage for “Sesame Street,” the creator and voice actor for the beloved Sesame Street character Elmo, resigned Tuesday amid sex allegations. The statement from Sesame Workshop, the organization that produces the show:

Sesame Workshop’s mission is to harness the educational power of media to help all children the world over reach their highest potential. Kevin Clash has helped us achieve that mission for 28 years, and none of us, especially Kevin, want anything to divert our attention from our focus on serving as a leading educational organization. Unfortunately, the controversy surrounding Kevin’s personal life has become a distraction that none of us wants, and he has concluded that he can no longer be effective in his job and has resigned from Sesame Street. This is a sad day for Sesame Street.

Clash also released a statement:

In a statement of his own, Clash said “personal matters have diverted attention away from the important work Sesame Street is doing and I cannot allow it to go on any longer. I am deeply sorry to be leaving and am looking forward to resolving these personal matters privately.”

Clash announced a leave of absence from the show last week after a 23-year-old man claimed the puppeteer had had a sexual relationship with him when he was underage. Clash was allegedly 45 and the accuser, 16. The man recanted his accusation the next day. TMZ, who broke the story wondered if there was a settlement involved:

It’s unclear why the accuser suddenly changed his story … but sources close to the situation tell TMZ … the accuser’s attorney had been meeting with Clash’s attorney as recent as an hour ago, discussing a financial settlement and 6-figures were on the table.

We broke the story, the accuser claimed he had a sexual relationship with Kevin beginning when he was 16 and Kevin was 45.

Clash has also released a statement saying, “I am relieved that this painful allegation has been put to rest. I will not discuss it further.”

The first accuser is officially remaining anonymous, but gossip sites have revealed he’s an aspiring actor and model with a criminal record.

But a second accuser, Cecil Singleton, filed a lawsuit Tuesday, claiming he had some kind of sexual relationship with Clash at age 15. Singleton is suing for $5 million in damages.

The federal civil complaint, filed in New York by Cecil Singleton, alleged that Clash — now 52 — picked him up in 1993 on a gay phone chat line.

Singleton said he was 15 at the time, while Clash was 32.

“[Clash] trolled gay telephone chat line rooms to meet and have sex with underage boys,” Singleton claimed in his explosive lawsuit.

“[Clash] groomed [the accuser] to gain his trust by, among other things, taking him to nice dinners and giving him money.”

Even though the alleged sex happened nearly 20 years ago, Singleton said he remained silent all this time, because he didn’t know the psychological and emotional damage the intimate, underaged contact did.

The lawsuit said Singleton “did not become aware that he had suffered adverse psychological and emotional effects from Kevin Clash’s sexual acts and conduct until 2012.”

I’m torn on this story. Until these allegations surfaced, Clash was an inspirational figure, thanks to the documentary “Being Elmo,” which chronicled his improbable rise from the poorer neighborhoods of Baltimore to one of Jim Henson’s most valuable puppeteers at the height of the Muppets’ fame. What were the chances a young black man from Charm City with an unusual childhood penchant for creating characters out of foam and scrap fabric could turn that hobby into a prestigious career? But he did. As a young man, he played puppets in features like “Labyrinth.” Later, he created one of the most famous characters on the planet in Elmo and made it his mission to mentor young people interested in performing.

And, all that sounded sweet and amazing before now sounds creepy. Clash was married as a young man and has one daughter, now 19. He is divorced from her mother. In the wake of this incident, he announced he is gay:

The episode this week led to Mr. Clash coming out as a gay man, something he had not previously discussed in public. “I have never been ashamed of this or tried to hide it, but felt it was a personal and private matter,” he said in the statement on Monday.

The fact that the first accuser recanted his statement a day after going public is fishy. The fact that there are two accusers lends credence to the first accuser’s original story, but then, the second accuser is also looking for $5 million in damages. And one must always calculate the allure of a fame-ball career propelled by a TMZ appearance in these stories. Sesame Workshop says it did several investigations when the accuser brought the charges to them in June, both by their “own staffers and outside firms,” according to the NYT. Sesame Workshop has an incentive to protect its brand, and Clash had become a big part of it, but one would think any hint of sexual impropriety with minors would have gotten Clash tossed out of an organization whose entire mission is to work closely with children thanks to tremendous trust from parents. Then again, we also know how protective and ultimately destructive a big-money enterprise with a lot to lose can be in the face of a possible in-house scandal.

Update: Oh, and of course, there’s the glaring fact that Clash has yet to forcefully deny any of this.

Two things. Is this something that can get resolved privately? Thus far, this is all civil, but it is criminal to have sexual contact with minors. And, in a fun twist on “imagine if it were a Republican,” notice almost none of the copious coverage of this scandal wonders if it warrants an examination of whether the rather well-off Sesame Workshop deserves our tax money.

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NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Perhaps NapaConservative can just declare that argumentum ad ignorantiam does not apply to this topic. I mean, unless somebody out there has a NMGLA newletter, such a thing cannot and must not exist, and, um… that makes it acceptable to generalize that all homosexuals must be pedophiles. Because, um. Uh.

I guess it’s kinda like Larry Craig – all stuffy, bathroom-going, old white, male Republicans must be… well, y’know.

Jeddite on November 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

I rest my case.

NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Let’s look at some data, shall we? Make sure you hit up the footnotes.

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that “approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls.”

The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men; in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles.

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I’ve read this story on several sites and took note of multiple self-declared homosexuals’ repudiation and condemnation of Clash’s alleged perfidy.

Shame on you all!

Who are you to judge Clash and his alleged acts that current society perceives as “wrong” and “immoral”?

Who are you to shove your morality down everyone else’s throat?

Last I checked, there was a time when homosexuality itself was considered “immoral” and “criminal” and all kinds of “wrong.”

Now, it is to be celebrated and lifted up as a virtue. (Yes, I’ve seen the Bravo Network, Logo, MTV, HGTV, et al.)

So you homosexual bigots — pedophodes, really — need to holster your holier-than-thou self-righteousness and shut your bigoted pie holes.

I’m currently preparing to petition a state court to allow my brother and I to join together in a legally binding marriage. I was hoping the enlightened and sophisticated gay community could be counted on to support such a union.

Now, I wonder if I can expect any support from them at all. (‘Tis a shame, too: the reception at the Stonewall Inn was going to be fabulous!)

#TiredOfThe8ers

:-\

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Please point me to the national organisation that promotes hetero males who want sexual relationships with underage girls.

Let’s even the score before we get too deep into the generalization process.

You can’t, because there is none.

NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 4:42 PM

I think the bigger point is that even if there were one, it would be shouted down by a lot of conservatives as being peverted, wrong, etc.

People (most on the right, at least, except for some of the fiscal conservatives or libertarians who enjoy ridiculing social conservatism) would not be defending it.

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

No, people who disagree with homosexuality recognize that heterosexuals sometimes molest children too, but we don’t excuse it, deny it, or downplay it as the homosexual activists do when it’s a male- on- male (or female- on- female) incident.

Maybe someone else here can provide the links, but I recall reading that the incidents in various sources of same-gender offenses is higher percentage- wise than it is for heterosexual ones.

I found this after a quick search:


Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports

libfreeordie said,

The vast majority of criminal pedophilia (which is different than statutory rape) occurs between adult men and underage girls,

There are also way more hetero sexual males than homosexuals, so by that account alone, yes, there would be more incidents, but again, I’ve read that there is a higher percentage of such among homosexuals than there are among ‘straights.’

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

You wouldn’t deny that maybe some homosexuals engage in that, or other, unsavory or immoral behavior, though, would you?

I have read on sites over the years that there are some very uncomfortable ties between some (or most?) homosexual rights groups and nambla, or nambla-like, groups.

According to these sites, the homosexual groups used to permit the nambla ones to have members and/or floats in their parades, ads in their magazines, and that sort of thing. Some of the homosexual rights groups feared this would make them look bad (to the general public), so they ceased allowing namblaites in their parades.

They were concerned not due to the idea of adults promoting adult/kid sexual contact, but that it might harm their push to be accepted by the public.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I’d love to know what sites you read to get that bit of information…

Look…I am no friend of the far-Left liberal gay organizations or groups. They do more harm for any “gay cause” than any good, that’s for certain. But to believe that these same gay orgs have any ties to NAMBLA or any other pedo group…I find it unreal to even consider believing that. NAMBLA is a sick group of pedos…not representative or “connected” in any way whatsoever by most gays.

To believe that…I mean, I’m really at a loss for words.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

The vast majority of criminal pedophilia (which is different than statutory rape) occurs between adult men and underage girls…

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I don’t disagree. It’s simple math. Numbers-wise, it’s impossible for it to be otherwise.

I also have no interest in the gays-are-pedophiles! argument.

I am interested in percentages. Like blacks and welfare, is there a lower physical number but a higher percentage of gay men committing the act?

Do those numbers exist? That’s a serious question to someone who is more intimately connected and able to shed light on the topic, btw.

rogerb on November 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

libfree and Jeddite don’t care about the gays, the’re just massaging their victim group. It’s all about the votes you know.

NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports

lol at BaptistMinistries…nice unbiased article there.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles.

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Oh, even better…the FRC

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Gay men like men who are ABOVE the age of consent. Gays are not pedos. HOWEVER, a very common pedo tactic when caught is to claim to be a discriminated-against gay person with a homophobic boss who totally made up the charges to get rid of his poor gay azz. The local gay community falls for that line of BS hook, line, and sinker and goes after the accusers and boss with hammer and tongs.

Sekhmet on November 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

libfree and Jeddite don’t care about the gays, the’re just massaging their victim group. It’s all about the votes you know.

NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Sounds like a citation might be needed there. Not that you’d care to be hoisted by your own petard or anything.

Jeddite on November 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

That information is out there. I don’t feel like doing a web search for it.

I did a quick search, though: Wikipedia mentions it, that homosexual groups used to support NAMBLA in the name of “inclusion,” or allowed them to participate in their organizations, but due to public outcry and negative perception, backed off and began distancing themselves.

I can accept that some hetero sexuals are capable of great evil against other adults and children. Why cannot you not admit that there are equally evil homosexuals who do horrible things to people too?

The very militant homosexuals (like the Dan Savages) have no standards regarding sex. None. They push for any and all forms of sexual deviancy because, I think, they view other groups (such as pedos and people who like having sex with animals) as similar to them. They believe they’re all fighting for everyone’s ‘rights’ to do as they please, sexually.

Just because you personally, as a homosexual guy would never, ever molest a kid, doesn’t mean there aren’t other homosexual guys out there who would not.

Story of a homosexual couple who kidnapped and raped a 13 year old kid and killed him:


The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

After you bring me the link to the hetero equivivalent to NAMBLA.

I asked first.

NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

We could be looking at a future democrat senate candidate here.

jukin3 on November 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Or President.

cptacek on November 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Look. You have to admit, there is no NAWGLA, is there ?

Perhaps it’s a male problem but there’s also no NAWBLA nor NAMGLA.

gh on November 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Only 6.3% of gay couples take advantage of marriage. Only last an average of 18 months

Gay men aren’t gay because they want to find that one man and settle down for life. The vast majority just want more sex than women give up. I know, my dad is one of those and I’ve been a front row observer of gay culture for over 20 years.

I had a longer thing typed up, but the site refresh killed it off.

PastorJon on November 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles.

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Oh, even better…the FRC

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM

No, JetBoy. That’s why I asked you to check the footnotes. This is the source for the bit you snipped.

Ray Blanchard, et al., “Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000): 464.

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Gay men like men who are ABOVE the age of consent. Gays are not pedos.

Really? Who are you to speak for the entire gay community?

Why, it’s almost as though you feel entitled to paint a particular demographic with one broad brush.

Where do you get your authority to make such a blanket statement, Sekhmet? The PC Gay Police?

The arrogance. The hubris!

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM

lol at BaptistMinistries…nice unbiased article there.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

You’re engaging in the genetic fallacy. Just because you disagree with the source does not make it untrue.

Are you saying that in the history of the world there has never, ever been a homosexual who raped or molested a child, or murdered someone?

I can give you plenty of links to news stories (hosted by sites such as ABC, CBS, CNN, mainstream foreign papers) to stories of lesbians and homsoexuals who have raped each other, killed each other, raped/killed hetero-sexuals (including some children), and who have tortured and killed animals.

Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Wait, how did we go from pedophilia to gay marriage? Oh I get it, he preys on boys because he can’t get married. Now I see.

Akzed on November 20, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Wait. He was married when this happened. D’oh!

cptacek on November 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM

That information is out there. I don’t feel like doing a web search for it.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Translation: I can’t provide any of those sites because there aren’t any. Either that, or you just now tried to do a google search and came up with nothing but a wiki page.

Reading that wiki article…it’s rather generalized, and it only alleges one or two gay groups of that time were connected. I did not know that, but it’s certainly not a damnation of either all gays, or all gay groups. Or even any sizable chuck thereof.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:06 PM

It’s sickening. I’m having a hard time letting my kids watch Elmo now.

mrscullen on November 20, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Sesame Street in general has always bugged me. I rarely let my kids watch it…just something about Bert and Ernie in that bedroom and Big Bird’s voice *shudder*….it is all so politically correct in appearance and content.

redlucy on November 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Ray Blanchard, et al., “Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000): 464.

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Can’t find what you’re telling me.

You’re engaging in the genetic fallacy. Just because you disagree with the source does not make it untrue.

Are you saying that in the history of the world there has never, ever been a homosexual who raped or molested a child, or murdered someone?

I can give you plenty of links to news stories (hosted by sites such as ABC, CBS, CNN, mainstream foreign papers) to stories of lesbians and homsoexuals who have raped each other, killed each other, raped/killed hetero-sexuals (including some children), and who have tortured and killed animals.

Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Where have I even suggested that there’s “never a homosexual that raped someone or abused children? Point that out…that is, if you “feel like it”. And I can link you to stories about hetero’s doing all of that you mentioned there as well…what’s that supposed to prove?

Come on, now.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

sorry…meant to add…Now you’re sourcing WND. It just gets better and better.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Can’t find what you’re telling me.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Actually click on the link I posted in my previous post (here again, for convenience) instead of rolling over it and rejecting the source.

Within that article, you can search for the pieces I cited in bold. At the end of each statement is a footnote linked to a scientific study published in a peer-reviewed journal. In the example you cited, the footnote is [18].

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Oh, that’s right. It’s everybody elses’ fault that homosexuals will drop their pants and have sex with anyone or thing within reach, on a moment’s notice. They can’t be expected to exhibit any sort of responsibility or decorum unless the rest of the world conforms to their demands.

This is nothing but jealousy. The only thing that keeps young heterosexual men from being as promiscuous as they imagine gay men to be is that women are not as libidinous as young men. Period, end of story. Women reach their sexual peak at the end of their 20s, men are at their sexual peak from their teens into their 20s. This distinction, and a whole bunch of society baggage that tells women if they want sex that they may be “flukes” has made it much more difficult for young straight men to get laid, than young gay men to get laid. This produces jealousy in people like the above poster and labels like “promiscuous” and “immoral” get thrown around. You just mad.

Do those numbers exist? That’s a serious question to someone who is more intimately connected and able to shed light on the topic, btw.

rogerb on November 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

I don’t know. But here’s the thing (and no doubt the gay liberals will get mad at me for even saying such). But I have a hard time getting too upset about a 45 year old guy and a 16 year old guy having sex. Maybe its because when I was under 18 (17 to be exact) I had a bit of an affair with an older man (early 30s)…and it was AWESOME. Its exactly what I wanted, I pursued it, he was smoking hot, I was 17 and (as most of the male posters will attest to) extremely interested in having sex. I wasn’t abused or exploited. And there’s no question that a year earlier I would have been just fine as well. Because by 16 I was, at least in terms of my sexual desires, really, really clear what I wanted. I think most 16 year old boys are. Like…how does a “vulnerable” 16 year old find their way onto a gay sex chat-line anyway?

I find the statutory rape laws in this country to be purely arbitrary. I know they are meant to protect younger kids, so they have to exist. But we really do child sexual abuse a disservice when we equate it with a legal adult having sex with a 16 or 17 year old. Those are just fundamentally different types of sexual interaction. It makes sense to criminalize child sex abuse (15 and below). But statutory rape? As a law it is asinine. If a person is raped, they are raped. If they consent, then we really need to think about where we decide capacity. Is it based upon brain development? Are there studies that have been done? Arbitrary law always concerns me.

And it also allows us to ignore sites of exploitation in relationships between adults. When there’s a huge wealth difference for example, that produces all kinds of vulnerability, exploitation and abuse, but we kind of just assume “well who cares, they are adults.” I’ve seen adults used and abused in ways far more damaging than anything I experienced during the magical summer of 1998. Now, who knows, perhaps this is why I’ve only seriously dated older men. Perhaps I would’ve been more into guys my own age in college…I don’t know..but I don’t care, its all good. Some people just like older partners and they’ve always been into that. I just think we’re doing the wrong thing having a moral panic over a 32 year old and a 16 year old. But I know that the gay liberal movement has spoken on this question, so that’s that.

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:16 PM

All Clash had to do was check in to the Mayo Clinic for exhaution or bi-polar for a few weeks.It worked for Jessie.

docflash on November 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Sure thing, liveasaslaveanddie. We’re all just jealous that you’re gettin’ all that buttsecks.
You keep tellin’ yourself that, fool.

BWAHAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, nancy, but I had to quit reading after that. Laughing too hard.

Solaratov on November 20, 2012 at 6:20 PM

.It worked for Jessie.

docflash on November 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Well…except that poor jesse has to do some time in the greybar.

Other than that, his plan went like clockwork.

Solaratov on November 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I just think we’re doing the wrong thing having a moral panic over a 32 year old and a 16 year old.

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:16 PM

And that’s what this comes down to. Children shouldn’t be protected from adults, according to libfree.

Legitimate non-snarky question – at what age should children be protected from adults? Can a 16 year-old make the same logical, rational decisions a 32 year-old can? Can a 13 year-old? Ten?

You reject the line of 18 years old. Okay. Where would you draw it, and would you apply it universally, eg. could people the age you specify enlist, marry, vote, be executed for crimes?

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 6:24 PM

How Homosexualists Redefine Homosexual Child Molesting

I think this is from the same link I gave to Jet Boy earlier, who just out and out dismissed it because it was hosted by a Baptist site, but their site is reporting findings from secular research / news sources.

One comment from this page (“Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports”) that I’d like to use as an example:

A 1999 article in the Journal of Homosexuality by Helmut Graupner argued that same-sex relations with minors should be considered a gay rights issue. The article argued that children wouldn’t necessarily be harmed by sexual contact with adults.

That can be verified. Get a copy of “Journal of Homosexuality” and see in fact if Helmut Graupner did write those comments.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Sure thing, liveasaslaveanddie. We’re all just jealous that you’re gettin’ all that buttsecks.

Its always the most anti-gay person to first reference a specific sex act in a discussion about homosexuality. A great anecdotal example of what this study found: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/325417/20120409/homophobes-same-sex-gay-lesbian-attracted-people.htm

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM

One sitesaid,

In July 2001, the New York Post published shocking details about the high homosexual molestation rates among New York’s public-school teachers. Homosexuals were seven times more likely to molest children as heterosexuals.

Even GLAAD inadvertently has admitted that homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than do heterosexuals. They note that heterosexuals are responsible for 74 percent of male assaults and 77 percent of female assaults.

This leaves a 26 percent rate for homosexual molesters of boys. Yet, as pointed out earlier, homosexuals account for only 1 to 2 percent of the population. In short, homosexuals are at least 13 times as likely as heterosexuals to molest children.

I think they meant this 2001 New York Post story:

Sexual Abuse of Our School Runs Rampant

by DOUGLAS MONTERO
New York Post
Posted: 12:00 AM, July 30, 2001

Nearly 20 percent of the offenders are homosexuals and in most of these cases, the attack led to sexual relationship with the student.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Legitimate non-snarky question – at what age should children be protected from adults? Can a 16 year-old make the same logical, rational decisions a 32 year-old can? Can a 13 year-old? Ten?

Can an 18 year old make the same, logical, rational decisions a 32 year old can? I look at 19 year old me and 31 year old me and there’s a VAST decision making difference on a host of fronts. But we both had/have the same legal rights. I think 16 should be the age of consent when it comes to sexual activity. I think 18 for voting. I think 21 for gun ownership, alcohol, cigarettes and marijuana (which should be legal).

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM

A 1999 article in the Journal of Homosexuality by Helmut Graupner argued that same-sex relations with minors should be considered a gay rights issue. The article argued that children wouldn’t necessarily be harmed by sexual contact with adults.

Is he with NAMBLA? I wonder if Graupner is with NAMBLA. He prolly agrees with NAMBLA.

SparkPlug on November 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM

That can be verified. Get a copy of “Journal of Homosexuality” and see in fact if Helmut Graupner did write those comments.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:24 PM

My job gives me an online subscription to that journal, so I will see if that is true.

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Wow, some of you are really, really anti-gay.

I’m sure in your own minds you can discount the likes of Jimmy Saville because there’s no way he’s representative of all straight people.

YYZ on November 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I think 16 should be the age of consent when it comes to sexual activity. I think 18 for voting. I think 21 for gun ownership, alcohol, cigarettes and marijuana (which should be legal).

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM

And the age at which you can enlist and be executed for capital crimes?

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I think 16 should be the age of consent when it comes to sexual activity. I think 18 for voting. I think 21 for gun ownership, alcohol, cigarettes and marijuana (which should be legal).

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM

And also – why can a 16 year-old decide who they want inside them, but not what they want inside them?

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Come on, now.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Any time anyone mentions that a homosexual has molested a kid or something of that nature (or the moment Hot Air publishes a story like this one of the Elmo guy), you jump into the thread to lecture and scold anyone who disagrees with homosexuality, or to offer up that homosexuals are not molesters or murderers.

I can only surmise you feel that homosexuals are always innocent and incapable of doing evil, that they are a victim class who are grossly and consistently wrongly stereotyped, and that any news stories or studies that anyone cites that shows homosexuality (or the persons themselves) is anything less than a flattering light is categorically and automatically rejected a being false or untrue.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

And also – why can a 16 year-old decide who they want inside them, but not what they want inside them?

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Because alcohol, pot and other drugs have documented physiological consequences on brain development. Humans really shouldn’t smoke pot before their 20s.

And the age at which you can enlist and be executed for capital crimes?

Washington Nearsider on November 20, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I don’t believe in the death penalty, so I believe the age at which people should be executed for capital crimes is never. Enlist: 18. If you can enlist you have to be able to vote.

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

sorry…meant to add…Now you’re sourcing WND. It just gets better and better.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

But they (and the other site) are quoting secular researchers.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Revenge of the Twinks

Pederasty is dangerous and should not be romanticized and encouraged by the Homosexual sub-culture.

workingclass artist on November 20, 2012 at 6:39 PM

lol at BaptistMinistries…nice unbiased article there.
JetBoy, Exemplar of Objectivity on November 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

You shouldn’t type with your mouth full.

Akzed on November 20, 2012 at 6:39 PM

How Homosexualists Redefine Homosexual Child Molesting

I think this is from the same link I gave to Jet Boy earlier, who just out and out dismissed it because it was hosted by a Baptist site, but their site is reporting findings from secular research / news sources.

One comment from this page (“Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports”) that I’d like to use as an example:

A 1999 article in the Journal of Homosexuality by Helmut Graupner argued that same-sex relations with minors should be considered a gay rights issue. The article argued that children wouldn’t necessarily be harmed by sexual contact with adults.

That can be verified. Get a copy of “Journal of Homosexuality” and see in fact if Helmut Graupner did write those comments.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:24 PM

And yet another great, unbiased source. Cripes, how many more Evangelical Christian sources are you going to post before I get something at least a little unbiased, and maybe a scientific study of some sort? Unreal.

Your link there begins:

The definition I use for homosexuality is a simple one:

1. Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

2. Sexual activity with another of the same sex.

This definition above is from the American Heritage Dictionary of my Microsoft Bookshelf (1999) computer program. This is the exact same definition as Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary – Unabridged (1954), and is consistent with the present Wikipedia definition.[1] Please note that there is no exception or qualification for the age of either of the parties. It is a definition supported by common sense and for that reason has stood for centuries. But the homosexualists now want to change this definition.

OK, great. A dictionary definition of homosexuality. But this person is actually trying to say that, because the dictionary doesn’t give an age with it’s definition, only “persons”…that homosexuals are pedos.

*epic facepalm*

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:41 PM

heterosexuality

het·er·o·sex·u·al·i·ty
   [het-er-uh-sek-shoo-al-i-tee or, especially Brit., -seks-yoo-] Show IPA
noun
sexual feeling or behavior directed toward a person or persons of the opposite sex.

No mention of age…so heteros are pedos too!

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:06 PM

No, I’m not a liar. The articles I read were from a few years ago. I have no doubt if I could relocate them, you’d just say “P’shaw,that’s from XYZ source, so I won’t even click and look.”

Female (lesbian) fire chief (Bonnie Bleskachek) accused of sex harassment against women
(source, boston.com)

The Homosexual age

Gay press promotes sex with children

Steve Baldwin says his research not only “confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals,” but it found that “the mainstream homosexual culture” even “commonly promotes sex with children.”

“The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality,” Baldwin wrote.

The Journal of Homosexuality published a special double-issue not long ago, entitled, “Male Intergenerational Intimacy,” containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships.

One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son “not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.”

In 1995 the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …

The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM

how many more Evangelical Christian sources are you going to post before I get something at least a little unbiased, and maybe a scientific study of some sort? JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Well, you pretend to be Roman Catholic, a church that holds dudes bowling and buggering one another to be sinful. So I guess RC’s can’t comment on this topic neither.

You’re so fairminded.

Akzed on November 20, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Libfree sure provides evidence that homosexuals are immoral and mentally ill.

CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:41 PM

You’re not familiar with the genetic fallacy?

That is, if a Christian evangelical paper publishes, “2 plus 2 equals 4,” you will say, “Biased source! Two and two cannot equal four, because it’s some Christians saying that.”

And again, the sites I’m linking to are quoting work by secular and non-secular researchers. They are merely the messengers, they are passing along the information, not creating it.

You don’t seem capable of making this distinction.

Of course, I would not expect homosexual rights (“gay friendly”) sites to publish this research since it does not cast them in a good light.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Gay men like men who are ABOVE the age of consent. Gays are not pedos.

Really? Who are you to speak for the entire gay community?

Why, it’s almost as though you feel entitled to paint a particular demographic with one broad brush.

Where do you get your authority to make such a blanket statement, Sekhmet? The PC Gay Police?

The arrogance. The hubris!

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM

When a gay man, like libfree , advocates for gay sex between 16 year old kids and 32 year old adults what is he called?

CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Strange how these stories came out after the election with its Sesame Street meme.

CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

APA: The Bernie Madoff of Science?

How did homosexuals get to be mentally ‘normal?’ Until the 1960s, they were considered ‘mentally disturbed,’ not just by ordinary folk but also by psychologists and psychiatrists. So what happened?

Even in the 1950s, there was political pressure by some psychiatrists and gay activists to remove the designation of homosexuals as ‘mentally disturbed.’ But professionals want something ‘scientific’ on which to hang their hat; they do not want to appear ‘political.’ The landmark study by Evelyn Hooker of UCLA was that scientific thing. In fact, her study got promoted as ‘definitive’ by the American Psychological Association (APA).

‘Hooker proved that gays are normal’ said the APA. And the professional organization convinced psychiatrists that the Hooker study did just that. No wonder Hooker’s work is considered by many to be the most influential social science study ever published!

But there is a problem.

The APA lied — and it was a BIG LIE. Hooker’s study proved no such thing. Indeed, it was shoddy — filled with holes and weirdness. For instance, Hooker started out studying 74 male homosexuals but ended up with 30. Hooker would not let colleagues look at her data — and later destroyed it. And, in what might be the biggest example, on the key issue — whether homosexuals could be reliably identified on projective tests — every homosexual almost certainly revealed himself on at least one of the three tests.

To this last bit, Hooker and the APA said ‘forget about that, the 30 homosexual males were not predictably flagged on the ink blot test, so we should just ignore the rest of the findings from the other two tests.’ And, amazingly, the psychiatrists and just about everybody else did forget! So court decisions, textbooks, scientific articles — all of them misreported Hooker’s study.

But FRI has now gotten the facts out — in a major scientific journal, Marriage and Family Review. The sparks are already flying. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) — a far-left group with tons of money — wants our heads, and the article somehow unpublished. Homosexual activists are screaming that FRI is unfair. BUT, no one is denying our facts! And they are devastating.

This may be the first fraud committed by a scientific organization rather than a sole investigator. As the Hooker study is so central to the ‘homosexuals are normal’ argument, its exposure reopens the question of whether homosexuals are mentally disturbed. After all, for the American Psychiatric Association, something ‘associated with… a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, [or] disability….’ is a mental disorder. Things like alcoholism or drug addiction, for instance.

But, given that homosexual practitioners are at significantly greater risk of suffering mental and physical diseases — and this apparently leads to their shortened average lifespan — homosexuality would also appear to qualify. What is the rationale for considering homosexuality ‘the exception to the rule?’ Now that the Hooker study has been debunked and just about every study since reports that homosexuals are more apt to smoke, get drunk, use illegal drugs, and test mentally disturbed, what indeed?

Our paper demonstrates that the APA is the Bernie Madoff of science — at least when it comes to homosexuality. Who knows what else? If an organization will lie about one thing, about what can it be trusted?
~

Akzed on November 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

I think 16 should be the age of consent when it comes to sexual activity. I think 18 for voting. I think 21 for gun ownership, alcohol, cigarettes and marijuana (which should be legal).

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM

You’re outright illogical and PHUCKING nuts you freak. Yes FREAk. You advocate sex with children. You’re just gross.

CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Gay Rights Chief Held Over Child Porn (source: .dailyrecord.co.uk)

A LEADING campaigner for gay rights is in jail awaiting trial on a child porn charge.

Jamie Rennie, 37, who has worked with Big Brother star John Loughton, has been charged over indecent images of a child.

Ex-Boy Scout Leader Arrested on Sex Charges with Boy (source: wmbfnews.com)

KERSHAW COUNTY, SC (WIS) – A former Boy Scout leader accused of molesting one of his Scouts multiple times was sentenced after pleading guilty in court Tuesday morning in Kershaw County.

Investigators say 49-year-old Russell Spitzer had admitted to having physical contact with the boy. It began in October 2006.

The boy was 13 years old at the time, and authorities say the boy’s father was stationed in Afghanistan.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

You’re outright illogical and PHUCKING nuts you freak. Yes FREAk. You advocate sex with children. You’re just gross. CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

He wants to rape kids. Who woulda guessed, on a thread where he’s defending a child rapist!

Akzed on November 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Of course, I would not expect homosexual rights (“gay friendly”) sites to publish this research since it does not cast them in a good light.

TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:46 PM

I would no sooner ask NAMBLA, or any “gay friendly” site, about homosexuality and/or pedophiles than I would an Evangelical/Fundamentalist source with a clear anti-gay agenda. I’ve already stated what would constitute a reliable source…something scientific, even minimally so.

It just seems to me you’re searching out anything and everything you can to try to prove your point, and honestly, anyone could do that. I only asked for a link or two, not some biased article I have to go searching footnotes on.

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Ex-Boy Scout Leader Arrested on Sex Charges with Boy (source: wmbfnews.com) TigerPaw on November 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

ATLANTA — LGBT activists claimed victory after the United Parcel Services yanked its financial support of the Boy Scouts of America — in excess of $167,000 — over anti-gay policies.

“More and more corporate leaders are enacting strong non-discrimination policies for practices including grant funding and hiring,” said Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation President Herndon Graddick upon the announcement. “The time is now for the BSA to end this outdated and unpopular ban before other corporate funders pull dollars and scouting families drop their support.”

In September, Intel announced it would not renew the nearly $700,000 it contributed to the Boy Scouts in 2010 over policies that bar participation of openly gay scouts and troop leaders. GLAAD has worked with Eagle Scout and son of lesbian moms, Zach Wahls, to pressure companies to cease Boy Scout support until the ban is ended.

~

Akzed on November 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Fifteen- and sixteen-year-olds are not children. This is not pedophilia.

And lowering the age of consent would resolve these types of problems. /s

catquilt on November 20, 2012 at 7:01 PM

When a gay man, like libfree , advocates for gay sex between 16 year old kids and 32 year old adults what is he called?

CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

A Pederast

Yep!

workingclass artist on November 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Do any “progressives” here believe it should be legal for men to hang their genitals out of a second-story window in the midst of a gay pride parade/celebration/dance-off, as men on the public street below await their ejaculate with open mouths?

Or should these participants be arrested and charged with lewd behavior?

Is this behavior “wrong”? And if so, why so, progressives?

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I have no problem with gay men or gay women (or even bisexual or transgendered). I do have a problem with pedophiles. Having sex with a child regardless of sexual orientation is wrong in any society (well except for the Muslims… Islam was founded by a mass murdering pedophile, so there you go).

Wolftech on November 20, 2012 at 7:25 PM

When a gay man, like libfree , advocates for gay sex between 16 year old kids and 32 year old adults what is he called?

CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Senator?

portlandon on November 20, 2012 at 7:27 PM

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Voting age should be at least 25 and require a basic civics test (and a photo ID). That way it reduces the damage idiots like you can do to the nation. Basic 8th grade level civics test requirement to obtain a voter registration would disqualify most of 0bama’s voter base.

Wolftech on November 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM

wonder if his defenders would still defend him if they themselves had been molested by a trusted gay adult.
I can tell you its not a good feeling.
this guy is the epitome of a fag. and anyone who has a problem with that word can shut it.

dmacleo on November 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Only racist homophobes would have an issue with this, c’mon.

When is the Queer Elmo doll going on the market? And if you don’t like it, you’ll be called a hater.

Philly on November 20, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I have no problem with gay men or gay women (or even bisexual or transgendered). I do have a problem with pedophiles. Having sex with a child regardless of sexual orientation is wrong in any society

Well, good for you. Unfortunately, by the rules homosexuals utilize to define “homophobia,” you are a pedophobe. (I.e., if you are opposed to homosexuality for any reason, you are a homophobe; in fact, you are very possibly a closet homosexual yourself and should just get it over with and come out of that vile puritanical closet and stop living a lie. Ergo, a “pedophobe” is one against pedophilia for any reason — and is, truth be told, most likely a pedophile him/herself.)

It’s their rule. Who am I — a cold, heartless bigot — to even consider challenging such a longstanding declaration of cultural progressivism and truth to power?

As for pedophilia specifically… who are you to declare anyone else’s sexual desires to be “wrong”? Who made you God? Who are you to judge?

/

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Ri-i-i-ght.

Yer breakin’ my heart, nancy.

Solaratov on November 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Did your mother drop you on your head repeatedly as a child? That has got to be the most retarded thing I have ever read on Hot Air from a libtrolls and I have been here for a very long time.

I am sorry, but if your sexual desire is for a child then that is wrong. They should be castrated and kept from society forever (if it was me, I would just put a bullet in their heads and call it a day as it is cheaper on the tax payers).

Wolftech on November 20, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Wolftech on November 20, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Wolf, the slanted line (/) beneath Dion’s post designates it as /sarcasm/.

Calm down.

:)

Solaratov on November 20, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Perhaps Sesame Workshop was afraid of what else might be in his closet.

Philly on November 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Did your mother drop you on your head repeatedly as a child? That has got to be the most retarded thing I have ever read on Hot Air from a libtrolls and I have been here for a very long time.

I am sorry, but if your sexual desire is for a child then that is wrong. They should be castrated and kept from society forever (if it was me, I would just put a bullet in their heads and call it a day as it is cheaper on the tax payers).

Wolftech on November 20, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Wolf, the slanted line (/) beneath Dion’s post designates it as /sarcasm/.

Calm down.

:)

Solaratov on November 20, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Thank you, Solaratove. And no worries, Wolftech. While I’m not a “bullet to the head” kind of guy, I wouldn’t weep a lot of tears for pedophiles being banished to an impossible-to-escape island for life, where they can all dress up as little children and indulge themselves to their shriveled hearts’ content — until, you know, they simply perished. But that’s just me.

On a side-but-true note (and usable for all future anti-Dion posters), I literally was dropped on my head as a child. Fell out of a second-story window as a toddler while crawling around a sill. Landed in some sand. There ya go. :-)

Dion on November 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Oh great. Elmo turns out to be a perv. Nice. /sarc

Is it any wonder how this country has gone socialist? For people to be capable of self-rule a few things are required… voters must be educated, responsible, and moral. Currently, I just don’t see how we meet those standards.

Murf76 on November 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

When a gay man, like libfree , advocates for gay sex between 16 year old kids and 32 year old adults what is he called?

CW on November 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Senator?

portlandon on November 20, 2012 at 7:27 PM

ಠ_ಠ

JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Is it any wonder how this country has gone socialist? For people to be capable of self-rule a few things are required… voters must be educated, responsible, and moral. Currently, I just don’t see how we meet those standards.

Murf76 on November 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Socialists, for the most part, don’t believe in God. To them there is no higher being than themselves. They have no-one to answer to and they live their lives accordingly. It’s all about self-indulgence and seizing the moment. Religion is something they can’t relate to, and because it stands in their way to their realization of themselves as the supreme beings in this universe, they do whatever it takes to eradicate it. Either through heavy indoctrination through our public school system or through demonetization of churches and clergy (or both) – as well as any followers of such beliefs. Only when total annihilation of all religion is accomplished can they be free from any criticism on why the pursue the ways of the flesh and temptation.

How do you ever reason intelligently with these kind of people?

NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Choke on this, JetBoy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Ad hominem circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument that a claim is incorrect due to its source).

CanofSand on November 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM

CanofSand on November 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Oh, and FYI, FRC was just compiling data. They’ve got 76 citations that you just handwave away.

CanofSand on November 20, 2012 at 9:14 PM

…so when is JugEars going to enter this discussion?

KOOLAID2 on November 20, 2012 at 9:33 PM

la la la la
la la la la
Elmo’s wrong!

la la la la
la la la la
Elmo’s wrong!

Elmo love his–

Okay, I can’t bring myself to finish this.

StubbleSpark on November 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

mmmmmmm I’m thinking the Elmo brand is going to be destroyed after this…….

Oh wait, CEO Johnson at JCPenny will be issuing a statement shortly talking about Elmo and family values .

Maybe they can get Elmo to do commercials with Ellen??

PappyD61 on November 20, 2012 at 11:21 PM

I’ve seen adults used and abused in ways far more damaging than anything I experienced during the magical summer of 1998. Now, who knows, perhaps this is why I’ve only seriously dated older men.
 
libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:16 PM

 
1) Thanks for the candid answer. It would be interesting to know some hard numbers and percentages.
 
2) It’s strange the way first love shapes people for the rest of their lives.
 
I’m going to step away from the conversation now, not because of some win/lose nonsense, but because I don’t see any way that this doesn’t turn bad (by others) if continued.
 
See you next thread.

rogerb on November 21, 2012 at 5:00 AM

Update: Oh, and of course, there’s the glaring fact that Clash has yet to forcefully deny any of this.

Two things. Is this something that can get resolved privately? Thus far, this is all civil, but it is criminal to have sexual contact with minors. And, in a fun twist on “imagine if it were a Republican,” notice almost none of the copious coverage of this scandal wonders if it warrants an examination of whether the rather well-off Sesame Workshop deserves our tax money. – Mary Katherine Hamm

Mr. Clash certainly has legal problems with these accusations. My guess is that there is some truth to the accusations. Does it really matter if Mr. Clash is a Republican or a Democrat, no! Let the legal process proceed. And, let the chips fall where they may. As for Sesame Workshop receiving our tax money cut it off. Sesame Workshop is a valuable franchise, a money maker …………… and needs no government subsidy.

SC.Charlie on November 21, 2012 at 6:14 AM

And, all that sounded sweet and amazing before now sounds creepy. Clash was married as a young man and has one daughter, now 19. He is divorced from her mother. In the wake of this incident, he announced he is gay:

Wait a minute. The media and liberals keep telling me that gays are not allowed to get married.

…..sorry, couldn’t resist:-P

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 21, 2012 at 6:25 AM

Remember when we were told that if Romney won the election that he would get rid of Big Bird? Well Obama won and instead of Big Bird we lost Elmo.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 21, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Gay males are all potential pedophiles.

echosyst on November 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM

While I can’t stand it when PC crowd refuse to refer to a guy that diddle’s little boys as “gay”, even though the textbook definition of gay does not refer to age, the comment you made up there makes little sense. So there are no straight pedifiles?

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 21, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Is anyone really surprised?

Dante on November 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM

I’ve been a front row observer of gay culture for over 20 years.

PastorJon on November 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

I lived & partially grew up in SoCal. I had family in Marin county (Novato) right across the bridge from SanFran.
I traveled extensively all over Califonria & indeed, came in contact with a lot of the homosexual culture myself.
My Aunt & an Uncle were hippy types & had lots of interesting friends.
My personal experience there, as well as in the greater Seattle area years later & in San Antonio TX with gay culture that I had the unfortunate experience to brush up against pretty closely at times was disturbing.
Lesbians seemed a lot let likely from what I’ve seen to stray from a partner.
But men?
My goodness. A large majority, in fact just about ALL gay men I’ve known are pedos down deep.
When they get older, some of them choose to quit that route & very rarely settle down with someone their own age.
But those men that have steeped themselves in the culture of deviancy (yes, it is deviant behavior. It is not natural.), I experienced to be people who were more & more willing to try newer & newer deviant behaviors.
Just like porn addicts & sex addicts, they could never get enough.
Humans have this problem in general. So yes, we see it in the hetero population.
Men have a high libido anyway. And a gay man is no different in that regard.
Old men lusting after young girls is just as creepy as gay men lusting after young boys.
Or, what we see much less of, older women lusting after young boys & girls.
It is still deviancy.
But guess what? You subject yourself to a form of deviancy, you are going to be more attracted to other forms of deviancy.
It is not hard to conclude.
So from my personal experiences, homosexuals DO have a higher deviancy rate in their behavior than heteros by ratio. Bcs from what I see, it is not a far step further to consider even more deviancy after you have already dabbled in homosexuality.

And so it is no surprise when we see these types of people gravitating toward professions dealing with young people.
Like:
Teaching
Boy/Girl Scouts
Coaching
Religious youth work
etc.

Badger40 on November 21, 2012 at 8:17 AM

made it his mission to mentor young people interested in performing.

…explains why Rosie O’Donnell was hawking, pushing and gushing about Elmo on tv when she had a tv audience, since gone ‘private’.

Anyone else remember Rosie O’s obsession with Elmo? How she was hawking the Elmo “toy” on tv to kids? You know, “interested in performing” kids.

Lourdes on November 21, 2012 at 8:23 AM

“Tickle Me Homo”

…..too soon??

JasperBallbaggins on November 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM

PBS: Pedophilia Broadcasting Service

Lourdes on November 21, 2012 at 8:26 AM

I’m having a hard time letting my kids watch Elmo now.

mrscullen on November 20, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Good for you!

I’ve never thought Elmo was anything but creepy. Always sensed something indecent in his characterisation, whatever, always gave me the creeps.

Lourdes on November 21, 2012 at 8:28 AM

Please point me to the national organisation that promotes hetero males who want sexual relationships with underage girls.

NapaConservative on November 20, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Japan?

The Rogue Tomato on November 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM

Whenever large sums of money (and lawyers) are involved-especially $5 million-it is always the best approach to have a healthy suspicion of the accuser and refrain from being judgmental before all the facts are in.

Having said that, IF the accusations (now apparently multiple) have any basis in fact, the punishment must be as severe as it was in the Jerry Sandusky case with NO EXCUSES for the accuseds “contributions” to society-this was the pitiful excuse used to get Ted Kennedy buried with hallowed heroes in Arlington despite a continual legacy of bad behavior including Chappaquidick which, at the very least, was negligent manslaughter.

MaiDee on November 21, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Choke on this, JetBoy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Ad hominem circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument that a claim is incorrect due to its source).

CanofSand on November 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM

And a Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.

What exactly is your point with posting a wiki definition of Ad hominem? I’m aware of it’s meaning. I must have missed where I said something that was ad hominem…please, point that out to me.

I do have to wonder, also, about your apparent blindness to the complete and utter irony of accusing me of ad hominem statements.

JetBoy on November 21, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I’m not necessarily against gay marriage. However, we are idiots if we can’t acknowledge that gay men are always looking for underaged ‘recruits.’ It’s the dirty little secret of a very promiscuous culture. Corporal Tunnel on November 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

If you and any onthers really believe that tripe, then yes…you are most definitely idiots. JetBoy on November 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Yeah JB, we know you’re always cruisin for the older fatter balder sodomists.

Akzed on November 21, 2012 at 10:09 AM

And so it is no surprise when we see these types of people gravitating toward professions dealing with young people.
Like:
Teaching
Boy/Girl Scouts
Coaching
Religious youth work
etc.
Badger40 on November 21, 2012 at 8:17 AM

Hmm. Do you have stats to back that up? I thought gay guys were more likely to get into performing arts, fashion and styling? And could there be any other reasons why gay guys would get involved in certain professions, other than the outlandish explanation that you suggest?

Your theory that because a) you consider homosexuality deviant means that b) they will be more likely to engage in pedophilia, which is also deviant, seems like a weak jump to make. That appears to be the crux of what you’re saying, and it just doesn’t seem convincing at all. You should try to elaborate on that one point. And if you’re deviancy theory is correct, then why wouldn’t men who like young girls ever be led by the so-called thrill of deviancy to try homosexuality.

How about if we say that males are far more likely to engage in deviancy than females, regardless of sexual orientation. Would it then be a good idea to say that men are all potential deviants and should be viewed with great suspicion?

bluegill on November 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I do have to wonder, also, about your apparent blindness to the complete and utter irony of accusing me of ad hominem statements.

JetBoy on November 21, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Yes. I wondered the same thing.
You are one patient soul, you know.

bridgetown on November 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM

So from my personal experiences, homosexuals DO have a higher deviancy rate in their behavior than heteros by ratio. Bcs from what I see, it is not a far step further to consider even more deviancy after you have already dabbled in homosexuality.

And so it is no surprise when we see these types of people gravitating toward professions dealing with young people.
Like:
Teaching
Boy/Girl Scouts
Coaching
Religious youth work
etc.

Badger40 on November 21, 2012 at 8:17 AM

Good Lord, even Ronald Reagan knew better than you. There was a referendum in California that would have banned all gay teachers and teachers that supported gay rights from teaching in public schools. It was called the Briggs Initiative. Ronald Reagan came out and strongly opposed it. Even Barry Goldwater, Mr. Conservative, was for gay rights.

As for the APA being bamboozled into saying that being homosexual is not a mental disease as someone else has said. Freud did not consider it as a mental disorder and did not think that it should be criminalized.

The stigma of being homosexual goes on and on……………. and on. Is there any wonder why homosexuals continue to suffer from depression and anxiety…………. and some still remain in the closet or still enter into fake heterosexual marriages because of societial pressure.

May I wish Dick Cheney and his family a happy Thanksgiving. I am sure he will enjoy his lesbian daughter and her partner at the table.

SC.Charlie on November 21, 2012 at 10:19 AM

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