House reps to Obama: About that UN arms trade treaty? Just say no.

posted at 3:01 pm on November 19, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The oh-so-enlightened, globalism-endorsing United Nations has been pushing for more powers to regulate the international weapons-trade scene for ages now, and more specifically, has been pushing for the United States to get on board with a proposed Arms Trade Treaty for months now. After the U.N. negotiations last summer, the U.S. put the issue on the back-burner — the treaty (rightly) became the target of vociferous criticism from America’s pro-gun groups, and even perceived support for such things simply won’t do in an election season. But, now that the election is over, certain parties are trying to bring the treaty back to the bargaining table, via Reuters:

Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected, the United States backed a U.N. committee’s call on Wednesday to renew debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade.

U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican rival Mitt Romney if his administration was seen as supporting the pact, a charge Washington denies.

The month-long talks at U.N. headquarters broke off after the United States – along with Russia and other major arms producers – said it had problems with the draft treaty and asked for more time.

But the U.N. General Assembly’s disarmament committee moved quickly after Obama’s win to approve a resolution calling for a new round of talks March 18-28. It passed with 157 votes in favor, none against and 18 abstentions.

A bipartisan group of almost eighty House representatives are not pleased with the idea of the United Nations gaining authority to stick its nose into the gun trade in rule-of-law-abidin’ bastions of tail-kicking freedom like the United States, and have introduced a resolution that calls on President Obama to decline on signing the Arms trade Treaty (ATT), via The Hill:

“There is considerable cause for alarm regarding the UN’s renewed efforts to forge an Arms Trade Treaty that could trample the constitutional rights of Americans, and could seriously compromise our national security and the security of our allies, whom we will be less able to arm and less quick to defend due to the restrictions placed on us by the ATT,” Kelly said Friday. “My colleagues and I stand committed to fighting this threat to our sovereignty and to standing up for the U.S. Constitution, which we are all sworn to support and defend.” …

The five-page resolution, H.Res. 814, says the treaty would threaten the rights of U.S. gun owners, and rejects the idea that conventional arms trade needs to be regulated equally in the United States and other countries. The resolution says the treaty “places free democracies and totalitarian regimes on a basis of equality, recognizing their equal right to transfer arms, and is thereby dangerous to the security of the United States.”

It says further the treaty could have other consequences, including limiting the right of the United States to offer aid to Taiwan or Israel. And, it argues that the ATT could hurt the U.S. defense manufacturing base, and require costly implementation assistance to other signatory nations.

It’s not exactly a secret that the United Nations is a forum that tends to attract highly progressive, big-government advocates of the gun-control ilk, and I can’t say I’m a fan of allowing a wildly corrupted international body to take on that kind of an enterprise — especially because it’s an enterprise that will largely by paid for, by us. Thanks, but no thanks.


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Nope nada nyet no way no how

cmsinaz on November 19, 2012 at 3:05 PM

This is just the first shoe dropping – wait until the first mass shooting in a Self-defense denial (gun-free) zone.

Then you’re going to see some serious Sh..t.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Boehner et co. are a bunch of wimps.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM

There’s a reason this country has never seen a full-scale military invasion.

CurtZHP on November 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM

This is just the first shoe dropping – wait until the first mass shooting in a Self-defense denial (gun-free) zone.

Then you’re going to see some serious Sh..t.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:09 PM

You mean like the ones at the gun free schools, fort and movie theater ?

Frank Enstine on November 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM

But the U.N. General Assembly’s disarmament committee moved quickly after Obama’s win

Mere hours after the election. Talk about incredible luck and timing!

So the UN wants to control the arms trading market, how about figuring a way to keep UN troops from raping the local populations? That would be a great first step.

Can we really trust people who cannot even stop genocides or mass starvations?

Nope!!

VikingGoneWild on November 19, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Get the US out of the UN.

Then get the UN the hell out of the US.

Biggest conglomeration of spies on the face of the Earth, really…

JohnGalt23 on November 19, 2012 at 3:13 PM

The Truth About “Assault Weapons”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/16/the-truth-about-assault-weapons/

AR-15 and other MSR style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.

AR-15 and other MSR style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic and more commonly referred to as a machine gun. Machine guns have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934, obtaining a permit to own one is an arduous, time intensive and expensive process.

MSR style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16 and AK-47 but function like any other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.

AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. Lawful gun owners in the U.S. own an estimated 5-10 million of them.

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM

President Revenge getting back at us Clingers. Guns now. Bibles next.

kingsjester on November 19, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Guns are already illegal in Mexico…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on November 19, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Want my guns?

Come get them.

Please. Just try it.

novaculus on November 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Gun owners enter the fight of our lives
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/15/gun-owners-enter-the-fight-of-our-lives/

Just hours after Obama won re-election last Tuesday, his administration endorsed a new effort by the global gun grabbers at the United Nations to draft a gun ban treaty early next year. The official starting point for the new talks is last year’s failed draft, which contains provisions that threaten our sovereign right to keep and bear arms through an international gun registration scheme.

And not long after Obama floated the idea of banning semi-automatic firearms, we learned that California Senator Dianne Feinstein was working with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to draft new legislation that would ban semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns, so-called “high capacity” magazines, and rifles and shotguns with pistol grips. Reportedly, Feinstein wants to make it illegal not just to sell your guns and magazines, but to leave them behind in your will.

Always remember: Registration = Confiscation.

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 3:18 PM

This is just the first shoe dropping – wait until the first mass shooting in a Self-defense denial (gun-free) zone.

Then you’re going to see some serious Sh..t.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:09 PM

You mean like the ones at the gun free schools, fort and movie theater ?

Frank Enstine on November 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Isn’t it strange how those bent on mass murder aren’t deterred by signs and are in fact encouraged to perpetrate their crimes where no one can defend themselves?

Only an Obama voter would think they are safe in such an environment.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Why in the world do you think the gun/ammo stock is going through the roof? People want to be able to defend ourselves from the feds taking our guns and if that should happen, me thinks it will not go a nice way for those who want our guns?

bho got re-elected and American’s knew this might happen with the un and the anti-gun bunch here in the US!
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letget on November 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Just say – NEVER…

Ya’ll can go to hell… I’m going to Texas…

Kuffar on November 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Even if this thing gets by the Senate and 2/3s of those idiots vote for it,,,isn’t there a place in the Constitution that says if a treaty is passed that is contrary to the basic constitution, it is not legal and has no power.

retiredeagle on November 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Isn’t it strange how those bent on mass murder aren’t deterred by signs and are in fact encouraged to perpetrate their crimes where no one can defend themselves?

Only an Obama voter would think they are safe in such an environment.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM

In case you failed to notice, criminals and Obama voters look kinda similar.

Archivarix on November 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Isn’t it strange how those bent on mass murder aren’t deterred by signs and are in fact encouraged to perpetrate their crimes where no one can defend themselves?

Only an Obama voter would think they are safe in such an environment.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Whenever someone advocates this crap, I tell them to put a “GUN FREE ZONE” sign on their lawn as a show of support for these policies. I always get a quizzical look and then complete silence when they realize the implications for their own safety. Living in a fantasy world is great until reality busts through your front door.

RadClown on November 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Hey UN, we’ll know you’re serious when Hamas is disarmed.

antipc on November 19, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Isn’t it strange how those bent on mass murder aren’t deterred by signs and are in fact encouraged to perpetrate their crimes where no one can defend themselves?

Only an Obama voter would think they are safe in such an environment.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM

In case you failed to notice, criminals and Obama voters look kinda similar.

Archivarix on November 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM

They both have a ‘something for nothing’ mentality.

Chip on November 19, 2012 at 3:44 PM

The Truth About “Assault Weapons”

AR-15 and other MSR style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM

But they’re scary looking!! That’s why we must ban them!!

/

CurtZHP on November 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Whenever someone advocates this crap, I tell them to put a “GUN FREE ZONE” sign on their lawn as a show of support for these policies. I always get a quizzical look and then complete silence when they realize the implications for their own safety. Living in a fantasy world is great until reality busts through your front door.

RadClown on November 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Watch this video – it’s the best illustration of the futility of the “gun free” zone I’ve ever seen:

Make your own Gun Free Zone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhgzcioPet8&feature=player_detailpage

{Just don’t expect a leftist to understand what it’s saying}

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Now that Obama’s won his re-election, he has more flexibility on the issue.

Another reason to kill the treaty is that it’s a mechanism for disarming Israel.

Socratease on November 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM

The Truth About “Assault Weapons”

AR-15 and other MSR style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM

But they’re scary looking!! That’s why we must ban them!!

/

CurtZHP on November 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Yes, they’ve got pistol grips, bayonet lugs and flash hiders – scccaaarrryyyy stuff.

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Does the Obama administration really want to find out why all those people have been buying and stockpiling weapons and ammo?

tom on November 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

But they’re scary looking!! That’s why we must ban them!!

CurtZHP on November 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Barry and Mooch are scary looking, too. Just sayin’.

Archivarix on November 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Hey, guess what? The House doesn’t get a say on treaties, and the people saw fit to send Democrats back to run the Senate. Reap what you sow, folks. Reap what you sow.

Shump on November 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM

As crazy as the US is now, I still do not see this treaty gaining traction for a host of reasons.

Still, the NRA and affiliates have been getting a bit extra from me and others.

And the record breaking sales of firearms and munitions shows no sign of slowing down.

CorporatePiggy on November 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Arizona gun shop tells Obama voters to ‘turn around and leave’ because they aren’t ‘responsible’
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/17/arizona-gun-shop-tells-obama-voters-to-turn-around-and-leave-because-they-arent-responsible/

“If you voted for Barack Obama your business is NOT WELCOME at Southwest Shooting Authority,” the ad states. “You have proven you are not responsible enough to own a firearm.”

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Now remember when they do come to take our guns, they won’t be driving down the street in a van and stopping at all of the houses. They will use the divide and conquer method. I probably shouldn’t be saying this. But, they will drive up to your house in a normal looking car, dressed pretty casual, and serve papers on you to hand over all of your guns; registered and un-registered. And then they will drive over a couple of blocks, out of sight, and knock on the next one’s door. All very low-key and low-profile. That’s my theory.

Mirimichi on November 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Why in the world do you think the gun/ammo stock is going through the roof?
letget on November 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I wish. It was going up. My Smith & Wesson stock has been down since the election – along with the rest of the stock market. Up a biot today, but I’m currently sitting at about minus $30 on my 100 shares.

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Mirimichi on November 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM

When they came for the “assault weapons”, I remained silent; I didn’t own any “assault weapons”.
When they came for the large capacity magazines, I remained silent; I didn’t own any large capacity magazines.
When they came for the handguns, I remained silent; I didn’t own any handguns.
.
.
When they came for my guns, there was no one left to speak out..

Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Guns are already illegal in Mexico…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on November 19, 2012 at 3:16 PM

And New York, and Detroit and Chicago, and DC – and look at how incredibly safe those cities are…… um, ya.

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM

The senate is responsible for approving treaties. They’ll need 13 GOPer’s to make that happen. I don’t think that will happen.

chemman on November 19, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Not just at the end, always.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Now remember when they do come to take our guns, they won’t be driving down the street in a van and stopping at all of the houses. They will use the divide and conquer method. I probably shouldn’t be saying this. But, they will drive up to your house in a normal looking car, dressed pretty casual, and serve papers on you to hand over all of your guns; registered and un-registered. And then they will drive over a couple of blocks, out of sight, and knock on the next one’s door. All very low-key and low-profile. That’s my theory.

Mirimichi on November 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Once the proggies lock up our system of healthcare, they can use that as another tool to bludgeon you into submission. Doctors will be forced to question you about firearms in your home or vehicles. You answers will affect your health coverage. If you lie to Sebelius, you will be fined.

slickwillie2001 on November 19, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Mirimichi on November 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM

No. They’ll use OboobaCare.

You will have to swear that you either have or don’t have weapons in your house, because if you do, you’ll pay a sky-high premium.

If you say no and then shoot yourself or a neighbor or whatever accidentally, there will be little or no coverage, and you’ll go to jail and be fined. And your trial will be highly publicized.

The same with smoking, vaccines, and more. Your debit and credit cards will be subject to interface with your govt healthcare account to determine what your OboobaCare premium should be.

No really.

Akzed on November 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Senate does not need to approve. If enough other countries pass it we have to abide by it for a year.
.
For those fools who talk about LIB, here’s your chance.

LincolntheHun on November 19, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Your debit and credit cards will be subject to interface with your govt healthcare account to determine what your OboobaCare premium should be.

No really.

Akzed on November 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM

It’s more like they have access to your money.

H.R. 3590 gives the federal government specific access to individual bank accounts and medical records as provided by that individuals health plan. The government may monitor an individuals finances and medical records electronically, for the purposes of determining an individuals eligibility for certain programs under the bill. They may also monitor an individuals finances and medical records to ascertain whether that individual has health insurance and is making regular premium payments to an approved health insurance plan; this will allow the federal government to determine each individuals financial responsibilities with respect to penalties and fees prior to or at the point of care as outlined in the bill. This clause also gives the government the ability to transfer funds electronically to or from an individuals bank account for the purposes of debiting his/her account for fees and penalties.

TxAnn56 on November 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Want my guns?

Come get them.

Please. Just try it.

novaculus on November 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Yup.

I call my 12 gauge a goose gun.
I call my .357 an intruder gun.
I call my .45 Colt a deer gun.
I call my Mini-14 (with a whole bunchof high-cap magazines) a government gun.

Siddhartha Vicious on November 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM

As others have said:
Come and get them.

Me? I’ll be stopping at my favorite projectile purveyor on the way home, to pick up an extra few boxes of .22 and .45 shells; maybe some 30-06s, as well.
Until you can nuke them from space, it’s the only way to be sure…

orangemtl on November 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Why does an Englishman pour oil in his garden?

To keep his guns from rusting….

PointnClick on November 19, 2012 at 7:16 PM

You have given away the USA. You horrible democrats, and all those who voted for this devil is disguise, what goes around…you know the rest. He cares nothing about you useful idiots and you will be marching into the stadium someday..

frizzbee on November 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I don’t know how to tag to comments but this is for slickwillie
I live in MN and at my kid’s pediatricans office “are guns in the home?” is already asked. I lie.

mnkatie on November 19, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Like Obama will care what weepy Boehner’s House says…

It will fall to the people to protect their rights, nobody else will.

insidiator on November 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM