Give the Dems what they want now for an agreement set in the future. Have we been there and done that? How many times has that not worked?

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Like the debt ceiling it is in all practical effect quite endless.

The stupid party will not learn, the GOP needs to go the way of the Whigs, I will never ever cast one vote again for moderate democrats hiding behind a meaningless label like “Republican”!

Like drunks, these idiots haven’t hit rock-bottom yet, they and their enablers need to learn a lesson their bones will never forget.

Roll the budget back to 2008 and freeze it for four years.

Fleuries on November 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM

2008 spending levels too!

E-R

And spare me the nonsense about entitlement reform with some phony promise in 30 years when everyone is long gone.

When will the markets take a hand in this?

trigon on November 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Until Obama causes the world to stop using the dollar as a reserve currency and until the Fed no longer has any ability to print money without massive inflation, there’s not much the markets can do. As an investor you could stop playing the game now but then you’d just be leaving those mint dollars the Fed is printing for some foreigner escaping an even worse financial situation.

onlineanalyst on November 19, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Only a proggie like this quarter-billionaire fat fck can get away with the ‘just a regular guy’ act and not be laughed out of public.

Truly the inmates are running the asylum and entertaining it at the same time.

Roll the budget back to 2008 and freeze it for four years.

And the proof of that is staring us in the face. Sequestration cuts all of 10% of the deficit, and about 2% of the total federal budget, and everyone (including the GOP) is running around trying to avoid that like it’s the apocalypse. If these f*cktards can’t even cut 2% of the budget without it being a crisis of epic proportions, how in the heck do we ever expect them to actually have a balanced budget?!

gravityman on November 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM

As I pointed out that does take an actual leadership with some spine…a non-elite leadership… the GOP just can’t seem to figure out that Seniority just means ‘corrupt fossil’ in terms of politicians.

The solution is always drastic, and gets more so with each kick of the can no longer down the road but just a few inches. At some point the can falls into vast chasm ahead of us and that is it for the economy.

The American solution to an addiction: cold turkey. Lock yourself in a room with only bread and water and go through the withdrawal pains for days, weeks… in the case of this Nation years or decades. And when it is over, its over and you then rededicate yourself to the straight and narrow never wanting to go through that again. This will happen either by default of the government or via stopping the spending above income. In other words, it will happen it is just a question of when, not if, it will happen. Greece is denying the obvious. Ditto Italy. Spain and France also refuse to see the burning homes they live in. Making the tough choice requires that the elite admit that they have been duplicitous, made a mistake in keeping up this charade and now have to administer harsh medicine and expect to be voted out of office in droves to do so. Do it quickly, start the withdrawal pains now, and you get done faster… drag it out and the potential for unstructured chaos looms. We can either do it with structure, by intent, or with chaos by default.

Leadership is supposed to make hard choices.

No one Upon The Hill leads.

Thus the default setting is chaos and economic collapse, possibly taking the government with it. Possibly with much blood on the streets, cities aflame, and our infrastructure imploding due to lack of fiscal soundness and others trying to take our assets as we default on debt. That is the easy way. It ends in ruin. The hard way takes leadership, and there is none of that.

I recommend the hard way as best, so we can keep things running on a lean basis and restructure our economy and snuff our entitlements after the current user base is no longer expanding. That is the way that SAVES LIVES. Doing otherwise is tantamount to being an accessory to mass murder, and I consider it to be treason once that murder starts with blood on the hands of those who did nothing. That is why I recommend the hard way… and it requires patriots and friends of liberty to do. Maybe, some day, they will show up.

Here’s soundbite for you:

“The Senate has not passed a budget in 3 years, but they want to dictate a budget to the House?”

tom on November 19, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Or how about:

“…you are right to say we’re not coming before you today to say we have a definitive solution to that long-term problem. What we do know is, we don’t like yours.”

Like an addict, sometimes the only cure is to hit rock bottom. The only difference in this case is the “bottom” only gets lower the longer we let it go. It will suck, but let’s just get it over with – let the Dems have their stupid huge tax increase (vote present) and we’ll rise from the ashes with hopefully a better sense of fiscal sanity. Santa’s broke.

Also, let’s look at the score card for Republicans:
cave on fiscal conservative (huge tax increases and the inevitable fail on real “entitlement” reforms). Cave on rule of law (amnesty). Why vote for them – they’ve essentially become the Democrat party anyway.

We are well past our allotted 200 years. Deep into dependency and headed toward bondage. Humans always repeat the cycle. The cycle is inevitable. It is in our DNA.

Right. Tax hikes on wealthy now, entitlement reform in 20 years. Heard that one before.

ctmom on November 19, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Yeah, can’t wait to hear the illegal immigration deal the RINOs sign up to. Something like this: Citizenship for everybody in the entire third world NOW! and secure the border over the next 50 years.

Alabama Infidel on November 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Yep, perfect comparison. We can’t barter in this way, because we are giving up an immediate change to a hard law which is very hard to reverse for vague commitments over years and years.

Let’s trade away the millionaire’s tax and deductions reform only if it is included in a slashed budget for 2013. No more continuing resolutions. No more legacy Porkulus.

“The Senate has not passed a budget in 3 years, but they want to dictate a budget to the House?”

The House has the actual power of the purse. All revenue bills have to originate in the House. They need to demand budgets that cut the executive staff in painful ways, to make sure that Obama doesn’t have the money to bypass Congress and their funding.