The other war: Black Friday at Wal-Mart

posted at 3:31 pm on November 18, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

This week we will once again observe an annual ritual familiar to families across the nation, where people gather together for one, sincere purpose: beating other shoppers to a pulp in an effort to cash in on big savings. (What… you thought I was talking about Thanksgiving?) Black Friday is once again approaching, and it’s quickly becoming as controversial as any political event. Personally speaking, I haven’t left the house on Black Friday in a decade unless it was to travel back home from a Thanksgiving visit with family, and I certainly don’t go anywhere near any malls or shopping centers.

As always, Wal-Mart is a big player in the Black Friday follies, this year pushing the envelope to start their annual sale before the clock even turns over from Turkey Day. While this may have some shoppers feeling excited, a number of their workers are less than thrilled. And union organizers – thus far unable to make any inroads there – are planning some dirty tricks.

A group of Wal-Mart workers are planning to stage a walkout next week on Black Friday, arguably the biggest holiday shopping day for the world’s largest retail store.

The walkout builds on an October strike that started at a Wal-Mart in Los Angeles and spread to stores in 12 other cities. More than 100 workers joined in the October actions.

This has been brewing for a while, as the article notes, and the workers clearly want to cause the most pain and mayhem possible for the giant retailer by hitting them on their highest traffic day of the year. But will they be able to get enough of their colleagues to join them in numbers that will have any real impact? Wal-Mart seems to be betting they won’t, and they’re taking the instigators to court.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc is taking its first legal step to stop months of protests and rallies outside Walmart stores, targeting the union that it says is behind such actions.

Wal-Mart filed an unfair labor practice charge against the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, or UFCW, asking the National Labor Relations Board to halt what the retailer says are unlawful attempts to disrupt its business.

The move comes just a week before what is expected to be the largest organized action against the world’s largest retailer, as a small group of Walmart workers prepare to strike on Black Friday, typically the busiest shopping day of the year.

“We are taking this action now because we cannot allow the UFCW to continue to intentionally seek to create an environment that could directly and adversely impact our customers and associates,” Wal-Mart spokesman David Tovar said on Friday. “If they do, they will be held accountable.”

Frankly, the unions seem to have done a terrible job up and down the line when it comes to Wal-Mart. If what they were offering workers was really that popular, they’d already be in. But they do manage to get the media and a number of politicians on their side, with claims that Wal-Mart jobs aren’t “real jobs” and stories of how the big chain stores continue to drive small business owners out of the market.

But if nothing else, this makes Black Friday worth watching, at least for those of us who won’t be doing any shopping. It will be interesting to see how this protest works out, how many people participate and what the response will be from management. Besides, there won’t be any football on that day anyway.


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Ironically, or less so, now that the new CEO is an Obama azz-licker, Obama and Hillary no longer care if the store gets unionized or not.

Suffer fools of the world.

I hope you all starve, soon.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 3:35 PM

More people out of a job BEFORE Christmas instead of after.

jukin3 on November 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Wow, that”s impressive. Hundred workers out of a workforce of over a million. Fire their dumb asses, or better yet, close all the Califoreigna stores.

msupertas on November 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Good luck with that. I haven’t worked for Walmart, but I’ve worked at two different places where Black Friday was a major event. At both jobs, it was made crystal clear that if you didn’t show up for your shift on Friday (barring serious injury, illness or death), you needn’t come in at all, ever again.

Left Coast Right Mind on November 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM

It is just me, but if I was wal mart, I WOULD fire every single person who walked out, period! YOU do not have to put up with union thugs, even if it means closing the stores where they are walking out! wal mart doesn’t need this type of krap, they make gobs of money! OH I SEE, that is the problem me thinks?
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 3:40 PM

A group of Wal-Mart workers are planning to stage a walkout next week on Black Friday, arguably the biggest holiday shopping day for the world’s largest retail store.

Simple: Announce that anyone participating in the walkout will be immediately fired. The fact that these moronic union bullies think there might be any other outcome shows that unions are waaayyyy too pampered.

KS Rex on November 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Screw Walmart
Supported Obama

philw1776 on November 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I have no sympathy for a CEO of a store who supported Obama. I hope everyone does walk, the store loses money, and they lose their jobs. Normally I dread anyone losing their job but it is their choice.

Blake on November 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

If you hate Wal-Mart so much, why the F do you work for them? Just quit already. If you’re so God D*mn valuable as an employee you should be able to find a job someplace else in a matter of minutes.

reddevil on November 18, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Even part time Wal-Mart workers get vacation and healthcare. They also get discounts not only on Wal-Mart products but cell phones from the major phone companies, on car purchases from Ford, Chevy etc…

It seems there will be 100 new jobs open up at Wal-Mart after thanksgiving.

Vince on November 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM

I have no sympathy for a CEO of a store who supported Obama. I hope everyone does walk, the store loses money, and they lose their jobs. Normally I dread anyone losing their job but it is their choice.

Blake on November 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Could we really have a case where both sides lose? ;)

Rogue on November 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM

The vast majority of Wal-Mart employees know that they can easily be replaced – - those that walk-out don’t really want a job.

Pork-Chop on November 18, 2012 at 3:49 PM

If they don’t show up for work, hand them a box of Twinkies and show them the door.

salem on November 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM

A group of Wal-Mart workers are planning to stage a walkout next week on Black Friday, arguably the biggest holiday shopping day for the world’s largest retail store.

The walkout builds on an October strike that started at a Wal-Mart in Los Angeles and spread to stores in 12 other cities. More than 100 workers joined in the October actions.

Fire them all. These ungrateful SOB’s don’t deserve a job if this is how they behave.

jawkneemusic on November 18, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Walmart should leave California. Just a thought.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 18, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Wal-Mart jobs aren’t “real jobs”

My wife has appreciated her ‘fake’ job at Wally for nearly five years.

They hired her–a legal immigrant with no skills–when no one else would.

If any Wally worker doesn’t appreciate the job, let him/her quit & find another one.

itsnotaboutme on November 18, 2012 at 3:55 PM

…and stories of how the big chain stores continue to drive small business owners out of the market.

Silly big chain stores! That’s what the federal government is for.

RoadRunner on November 18, 2012 at 3:56 PM

This is nothing more than fat union bosses drooling over thousands of new union members and their dues stuffing their pockets.

darwin on November 18, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Screw Walmart
Supported Obama

philw1776 on November 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Get your facts straight. The other 5 billionaires in the family were supporting Romney and have been giving money to Republican causes for a long time.

This Walton is the Chairman of the Environmental Defense Fund and that’s why he likes Obama. This happens in families all ofthe time.

Vince on November 18, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Besides, there won’t be any football on that day anyway.

Oh, ye of little faith. Cornhuskers vs Hawkeyes in Iowa City, although, it may be more exciting to visit a mall, instead.

a capella on November 18, 2012 at 3:58 PM

On the issue of black Friday, today on Fox they had some guy that had a tent he was going to stay in near bestbuy for the big deals on black Friday! TODAY he is out there! DANG, must not have a job to stay there till Friday?
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 3:58 PM

close to 40% of Walmart employees during the holiday quarter are temps… I highly doubt they will be walking out. I also doubt many regulars will either.

Kaptain Amerika on November 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

My wife has appreciated her ‘fake’ job at Wally for nearly five years.
They hired her–a legal immigrant with no skills–when no one else would.
tsnotaboutme on November 18, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Good for her! And I’ll bet she had some skills — a friendly personality & a nice smile, most likely.

KS Rex on November 18, 2012 at 4:01 PM

I might add I worked for Walmart in a store and @ Corporate and also in Sam’s Mexico division headquarters.

If you walk out while on shift you will be fired.

Kaptain Amerika on November 18, 2012 at 4:03 PM

This week we will once again observe an annual ritual familiar to families across the nation, where people gather together for one, sincere purpose: beating other shoppers to a pulp in an effort to cash in on big savings.

Rename to “Black & Blue Friday”.

Shy Guy on November 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM

If they don’t show up for work, hand them a box of Twinkies and show them the door.

salem on November 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM

LOL! Good idea. Make it a point to sing the following refrain: “Look for the Union Label … When You are Fired from Your Job.”

PatriotGal2257 on November 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM

So far most of the comments in this thread provide spot-one examples of why Mittens lost and the GOP is in ashes.

Thanksgiving is a national & particularly, a cultural holiday.

Show some damn respect for your people and their limited family time.

Wal-mart, Target etc are non-essential services.

Give you employees the day off.

Jebzuz Cripes.

Bruno Strozek on November 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM

On the issue of black Friday, today on Fox they had some guy that had a tent he was going to stay in near bestbuy for the big deals on black Friday! TODAY he is out there! DANG, must not have a job to stay there till Friday?
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Odd since if he worked for a week, even at minimum wage, he could easily make the extra money to pay full price for his TV.

Ronnie on November 18, 2012 at 4:10 PM

If they don’t show up for work, hand them a box of Twinkies and show them the door.

salem on November 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM

No way. Those Twinkies are worth more than some lazy wanna be union bum.

Wolftech on November 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM

This is their one chance to stand up.
If they cave, it sets a precedent and emboldens the useful idiots for future demands.
If society had stood up decades ago to the progressive liberal left, we wouldn’t be in the spot we’re now in…afraid to speak, for fear of being called a bigot..a racist, a homophobe..an Islamophobe,,a sexist..an uncaring polluter..a religious zealot..etc.
hey need to be stood up to, an simply dismissed for the fools they are.

Mimzey on November 18, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Could we really have a case where both sides lose? ;)

Rogue on November 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM

You’re in luck. See “Twinkie: Union Threat Made Good”

BobMbx on November 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Here is another example of union thugs! Guess we should just let every worker off for all holidays and have none work? Even doctors, nurses, fire, police?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

…I’m not commenting…until I hear from annoyinglittletwerp

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Good luck with that. I haven’t worked for Walmart, but I’ve worked at two different places where Black Friday was a major event. At both jobs, it was made crystal clear that if you didn’t show up for your shift on Friday (barring serious injury, illness or death), you needn’t come in at all, ever again.

Left Coast Right Mind on November 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM

And that has been made clear to a young relative of mine, by Target… not for Friday, but Thursday afternoon, Thanksgiving. WalMart is also doing this.

Sorry, can’t work up any sympathy for either company right now.

M240H on November 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM

This –>

So far most of the comments in this thread provide spot-one examples of why Mittens lost and the GOP is in ashes.

Thanksgiving is a national & particularly, a cultural holiday.

Show some damn respect for your people and their limited family time.

Wal-mart, Target etc are non-essential services.

Give you employees the day off.

Jebzuz Cripes.

Bruno Strozek on November 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM

[emphasis mine]

I was extremely disheartened by the comments, until reading yours, Bruno. Well said.

So many “conservatives” worship at the altar of unrestrained capitalism, and then whine when socialists like Obama are able to exploit the very real and concrete misgivings of the populace.

“Jebzuz Cripes”, indeed.

BocaJuniors on November 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

And for the wonderers:

A few Wal-Mart employees have succeeded in unionizing. A Wal-Mart store in Jonquierre, Canada, where there are different labor laws, was unionized last August, but it may close its doors before union members have a chance to negotiate their first contract. A Wal-Mart spokesman told The New York Times in October 2004 that the store has lost money since its opening and that “things have gotten worse in recent months.” He attributes the store’s poor performance to staff division over unionizing. And in 2000, 10 butchers at a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Jacksonville, Texas, voted to join a union. Less than a month later, according to the Chicago Tribune, Wal-Mart switched to prepackaged meats, eliminating jobs for butchers from its stores nationwide

Thats right. Instead of allowing a union to gain a foothold, Walmart completely dropped an line of business.

Good for Walmart.

BobMbx on November 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Bring on the Goonions! This should be interesting to watch.

Key West Reader on November 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM

This Walmart worker won’t be joining them.

it was made crystal clear that if you didn’t show up for your shift on Friday (barring serious injury, illness or death), you needn’t come in at all, ever again.

We haven’t been told that, but they are trying to give us incentives not to call in on that day… may be different at other stores, I don’t know.

Gianni on November 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM

My wife has appreciated her ‘fake’ job at Wally for nearly five years.
They hired her–a legal immigrant with no skills–when no one else would.
tsnotaboutme on November 18, 2012 at 3:55 PM

They have yet to hire my wife, after about a dozen applications at 6 different stores.

But that is OK, we are letting it burn, with Obama in lead!

astonerii on November 18, 2012 at 4:21 PM

And that has been made clear to a young relative of mine, by Target… not for Friday, but Thursday afternoon, Thanksgiving. WalMart is also doing this.

Sorry, can’t work up any sympathy for either company right now.

M240H on November 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Amen. Forcing employees of a retail store to work on Thanksgiving is as un-American as anything Obama has done.

BocaJuniors on November 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM

And will senior management be in the corporate offices at 8PM on Thanksgiving?

No?

Imagine that.

Jeddite on November 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Thanksgiving is a national & particularly, a cultural holiday.

Show some damn respect for your people and their limited family time.

Wal-mart, Target etc are non-essential services.

Give you employees the day off.

Jebzuz Cripes.

Bruno Strozek on November 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM

A perfect day for non-assimilated, undocumented, and otherwise illegal workers to make some extra dough…isn’t that why they’re here?

Thanksgiving is a uniquely American holiday; anybody who isn’t an American should STFU and clock in.

BobMbx on November 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM

So many “conservatives” worship at the altar of unrestrained capitalism, and then whine when socialists like Obama are able to exploit the very real and concrete misgivings of the populace.

“Jebzuz Cripes”, indeed.

BocaJuniors on November 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

As a competitive retailer who banks largely on holiday sales to meet yearly goals, they and others are giving consumers what they want/demand/expect. Don’t blame retailers for competing for scarce dollars in a weak economy, blame your neighbors who made this ritual of Black Friday what it is.

salem on November 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM

I’ve volunteered to work on Thanksgiving (morning) and Christmas, because I wanted to very easy hours and double-time pay. But that was voluntary. And in the case of Christmas, management let the volunteers go home after two hours. Easiest 16 hours of pay I ever earned.

Jeddite on November 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM

They have yet to hire my wife, after about a dozen applications at 6 different stores.

But that is OK, we are letting it burn, with Obama in lead!

astonerii on November 18, 2012 at 4:21 PM

I have a feeling there will be some openings on Saturday.

Ronnie on November 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM

I was extremely disheartened by the comments, until reading yours, Bruno. Well said.

So many “conservatives” worship at the altar of unrestrained capitalism, and then whine when socialists like Obama are able to exploit the very real and concrete misgivings of the populace.

“Jebzuz Cripes”, indeed.

BocaJuniors on November 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Stay home and punish them for not being nice to their employees. That is the conservative way of things. If you would rather force them to follow traditions like Thanksgiving by ignoring things like free association and the free market place, that is not conservative.

I write them letters and complain, and I then tell them where they lose business. Sometimes, like Olive garden when it caved to Mrs. Obama’s food standards police, I wrote them for a year, every single time I went to a competitor of theirs. Me and My wife up to that point went to Olive Garden about once every two weeks. Although me and the wife broke that boycott this month earlier in order to try something new they had, we lucked out and they cooked her fish incorrectly and they gave us the whole meal on the house(waiter got a great tip), so, we might go back more. I went back after that for the Veterans free meal, which by the way was really good.

astonerii on November 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM

I wonder how many people will be trampled to death this year during Black Friday.

Yakko77 on November 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I have a feeling there will be some openings on Saturday.

Ronnie on November 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM

We have a 17 month old now, so she is no longer interested in getting out of the house as much. Then she will be homeschooling when she gets older. Gonna be good times, good times.

astonerii on November 18, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Thanksgiving is a national & particularly, a cultural holiday.

Show some damn respect for your people and their limited family time.

Wal-mart, Target etc are non-essential services.

Give you employees the day off.

Jebzuz Cripes.

Bruno Strozek on November 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Aren’t there kids and non-participants that would like the hours? When I was a student 100 years ago I loved working the holidays to make extra cash. There has to be people who would rather work or don’t mind as they don’t have family around or celebrate Thanksgiving. Can’t imagine having to force people when there are other people who might welcome the distraction or extra cash.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Jeddite on November 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM

I think that fact gets lost in the furor over Walmart and holidays. My guess is there is a large amount of employees who want to be on the schedule for the extra pay.

salem on November 18, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Here is another example of union thugs! Guess we should just let every worker off for all holidays and have none work? Even doctors, nurses, fire, police?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

“Lax employees”! That’s perfect. After they are fired they can be ex-lax workers.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

I wonder how many people will be trampled to death this year during Black Friday.

Yakko77 on November 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Plot the zip codes of where the “trampling” has historically occurred. Can you say “deep blue district”?

BobMbx on November 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

After they are fired they can be ex-lax workers.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Coin it! Very well done.

salem on November 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

“Thanksgiving is a national & particularly, a cultural holiday.”

So now western cultural is important to dhimmi-cRATS?

“Jebzuz Cripes?” You Zionist Murderer! NO WAIT…

fewenuff on November 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Here is another example of union thugs! Guess we should just let every worker off for all holidays and have none work? Even doctors, nurses, fire, police?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

At the least, your IPad will be safer if they walk out.

BobMbx on November 18, 2012 at 4:36 PM

I happen to be working on Thanksgiving evening this year and I don’t work for a retail outlet, a hospital, or the police, fire or EMTs. Next year, it will probably be Christmas. Our staff rotates through the six major holidays of the year and we get paid double for working them. Some employees at my company ask to work every holiday because of the extra money.

Of course I’d rather be off and not have to schedule Thanksgiving dinner with the family to an earlier time and have to hustle out the door late in the afternoon, but that’s the way my company has done things for decades. And actually, I’ve been thinking that it’s not that big of a deal when I consider that so many other people don’t have any kind of job at all. Who knows? I may eventually be in that position myself; there are no guarantees that my company won’t cut us all back to part-time because of Obamacare’s effect on it or close altogether.

PatriotGal2257 on November 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM

BTW, I was a nurse for many years working nights at a hospital. We had no children, so I volunteered to work for those who had kids, not for the money, but just to be nice so families could be together on all holidays.
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Getting tired of the low-info types mindlessly bleating about Wal-Mart supporting Obama.

The Wal-Mart CEO did not support Obama. Apparently, some of the Walton family did, and their only current connection to the company is that they hold stock.

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Plot the zip codes of where the “trampling” has historically occurred. Can you say “deep blue district”?

BobMbx on November 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

That is not surprising in the least… sadly.

Yakko77 on November 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Amen. Forcing employees of a retail store to work on Thanksgiving is as un-American as anything Obama has done.

BocaJuniors on November 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Working on Turkey day is as bad as being abandoned to die at Benghazi? You must be nuts.

VorDaj on November 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

And will senior management be in the corporate offices at 8PM on Thanksgiving?

No?

Imagine that.

Jeddite on November 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Actually, you might be surprised on that count.

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

The unions call it salting. They send workers on their payroll to get jobs at non-union shops in order to convince people to become union. They don’t give a crap if they lose their little wal-mart job, the union is paying them huge money to be there.

American Patriot1980 on November 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

BTW, I was a nurse for many years working nights at a hospital. We had no children, so I volunteered to work for those who had kids, not for the money, but just to be nice so families could be together on all holidays.
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letget on November 18, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I could take Christmas off every year but pass because others want it and I don’t mind. We have no kids and I send the husband off to see his folks while I enjoy the peace and quiet and keep the house/pets routine. It’s surprising more people don’t do this or switch days with those who want to be off.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Actually, you might be surprised on that count.

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

I love statements like this.

You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about but offer an opposing viewpoint. Please admit that you have NO IDEA about Walmart senior-management protocols or operations.

Effing phony just trying to sound like he knows a damn thing about business. Please stop.

Capitalist Hog on November 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM

The unions call it salting.

I’ve heard about this but never actually seen it first hand. Here’s a hint to employers. Stagger break shifts to NEVER allow congregation or conspiring. :)

Capitalist Hog on November 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I love statements like this.

You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about but offer an opposing viewpoint. Please admit that you have NO IDEA about Walmart senior-management protocols or operations.

Effing phony just trying to sound like he knows a damn thing about business. Please stop.

Capitalist Hog on November 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM

I love the unintentional irony of your ridiculous screed.

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 5:06 PM

What’s the deal with some people thinking that working on Thanksgiving is something new? When I was in high school and college in the late 80s and early 90s, I worked for Krogers. I worked every single Thanksgiving for 8 years. It was actually pretty fun because everyone was in the holiday spirit and the deli always made turkey for all the employees. I also remember that I was allowed to pick an extended lunch or dinner break time so I could find a time to at least go home and have a meal with my family. I seem to remember I made time-and-half or even doublt overtime on that day, so it worked great for me. Long time employees usually only had to work a half shift and some even got the day off.

Of course I don’t know how things are now days. Krogers was part of the same union that is bugging Walmart and a few years after I left for greener pastures they closed all the stores in western NC over a labor contract dispute. I don’t think people understand how big chains actually work. The corporate management does necessarily look at the company as a whole. Each store is a profit center and if for some reason a store is unprofitable or does not turn enough profit…they’ll just shut it down. I’m sure that Walmart could pay higher wages to employees in densely populated areas but in other areas it might be enough to cause a store to not make the cut. These stores are usually in small towns and its devastating to the local economy when they close up shop.

ReaganWasRight on November 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

I wonder how many people will be trampled to death this year during Black Friday.

Yakko77 on November 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Isn’t it just awful?

Key West Reader on November 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

If folks want stores to be closed on Thanksgiving…the conservative solution is to stay out of the stores and let the managers decide to go back to Friday openings.

I won’t be with family this Thanksgiving. If I’m not watching NFL that night, I might go to Target.

22044 on November 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Amen. Forcing employees of a retail store to work on Thanksgiving is as un-American as anything Obama has done.

BocaJuniors on November 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Sic the HUAC on them! Seriously, not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving the same way or on the same day. People can also adjust their schedules around. If they don’t like it, they can find other work. No one forced them to apply.

thebrokenrattle on November 18, 2012 at 5:08 PM

ReaganWasRight on November 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

I bagged groceries at Kroger back in the 80′s during thanksgiving. The best tipping day of my short career as bag boy.

astonerii on November 18, 2012 at 5:12 PM

I love statements like this.

You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about but offer an opposing viewpoint. Please admit that you have NO IDEA about Walmart senior-management protocols or operations.

Effing phony just trying to sound like he knows a damn thing about business. Please stop.

Capitalist Hog on November 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM

“Might be surprised” is a fair statement. I am the guy upstairs at my Corp. I work Thanksgiving and Christmas both. /shrug

Irritable Pundit on November 18, 2012 at 5:13 PM

As head of North American Operations for Walmart Stores I can tell you that if you are not treated with respect by any Walmart employee then they will no longer be eligible for discounts on hot dogs at the store cafeteria.

I will play the hot dog card. Yes I will.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Fire them. If they walk away from their jobs, too bad. Go find another job if you don’t like it. Because of Obamacare, I bet that those full-time workers at big-box stores become part-time workers, and they all lose their health benefits next year. And this time next year, disgruntled workers will be grateful to work on Black Friday because they need the pay. Just a hunch. And no one wants to hear you complain if you voted for Barky.

Enjoy your free Medicaid, which very few doctors accept now as it is, and be glad you have a job at all. Just like millions of workers who will be in the same boat.

Happy holidays.

Philly on November 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

That also applies to turkey dogs too.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Capitalist Hog

I was a union electrician and knew people that were “salted” into non union companies in order to convince the employees in order to go union.

American Patriot1980 on November 18, 2012 at 5:15 PM

That was also when my union president told me he was communist

American Patriot1980 on November 18, 2012 at 5:17 PM

“Might be surprised” is a fair statement. I am the guy upstairs at my Corp. I work Thanksgiving and Christmas both. /shrug

Irritable Pundit on November 18, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Well, it makes perfect sense that Home Office will just shut down on the busiest day of the year. “Protocol” and all that.

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Well, since the chief owner of Walmart is an Obama supporter, I no longer care whether they get unionized or not. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas. Fools.

AZfederalist on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

As a conservative, I hate unions of all types and do not support the organizers in this case one bit.

However, also as a conservative, I resent the way Wal-Mart is breaking up families not only by forcing people to work on Thanksgiving, but also indirectly by enticing shoppers to take a break from their holiday family gatherings and spend time in the store instead.

Further confusing the issue is that Wal-Mart is despised by liberals, causing me to want to support them.

As if this issue weren’t complicated enough, there’s the fact that Wal-Mart no longer has real conservative values (since Sam Walton passed away). For example, they are major Obama contributors and supporters.

I know that definitely I will not be shopping there this coming Thursday.

Burke on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

As head of North American Operations for Walmart Stores I can assure you that K-Mart sucks.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Well, since the chief owner of Walmart is an Obama supporter, I no longer care whether they get unionized or not. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas. Fools.

AZfederalist on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

What is the “Chief Owner?”

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 5:19 PM

As head of North American Operations for Walmart Stores I can assure you that K-Mart sucks.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

I’m not fond of K-Mart.
I haven’t been there in years, but when I went out of my way to buy something there I was not enamored by the messy & disorganized appearance in several of its departments.

22044 on November 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Since these “workers” threatening a walkout/sick-out aren’t part of a recognized union with authority to represent them in contract talks with Wal-Mart, their job action constitutes an illegal strike and they have none of the state or federal protections under the law.

Old Sam Walton’s philosophy was clear: “Vote for a union today, I shut the store down tomorrow.” A very sound policy. Allowing any unionization is dangerous, the corrupt thuggish parasites are not there to help a company. It’s like allowing a “small culture” of flesh-eating bacteria into an open sore. Maybe you won’t die.

But I suspect there will be very few workers who actually participate in this wildcat strike. Jobs are too hard to come by these days.

Adjoran on November 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM

And judging any company by who their CEO supports is just stupid. But you knew that, unless you’re stupid.

Adjoran on November 18, 2012 at 5:23 PM

What is the “Chief Owner?”

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Meant one of the Walton family heirs who gave a huge donation to Obama. The Walton family is still primary owner of Walmart.

AZfederalist on November 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Meant one of the Walton family heirs who gave a huge donation to Obama. The Walton family is still primary owner of Walmart.

AZfederalist on November 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Yes, and what about the rest of the Walton family? Are they “Chief Owners” as well? Whom do they usually support?

A Balrog of Morgoth on November 18, 2012 at 5:36 PM

As if this issue weren’t complicated enough, there’s the fact that Wal-Mart no longer has real conservative values (since Sam Walton passed away). For example, they are major Obama contributors and supporters.

“They” aren’t Obama supporters or contributors. I work for WM at the Home Office in Bentonville and the only Obama supporter I’m aware of in the executive ranks is Leslie Dach, Google him. The majority of employees here are conservatives. There isn’t an elected Democrat in the entire county.

I did however, stop contributing to our corporate PAC because Mike Duke signed a letter with the despicable Andy Stern in support of Obamacare and he supported limits on debit card swipe fees. Both are bows to crony capitalism.

Charlemagne on November 18, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Working on Turkey day is as bad as being abandoned to die at Benghazi? You must be nuts.

VorDaj on November 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Hyperbole much, douchenozzle?

M240H on November 18, 2012 at 5:40 PM

As head of North American Operations for Walmart Stores I can assure you that K-Mart sucks.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Or were you alluding to Rain Man and I missed that…

22044 on November 18, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Amen. Forcing employees of a retail store to work on Thanksgiving is as un-American as anything Obama has done.

BocaJuniors on November 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Working on Turkey day is as bad as being abandoned to die at Benghazi? You must be

VorDaj on November 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Mea Culpa on the 5:40 pm post VorDaj. I really should look at just what, and how much, I highlight in a repost. Aim the nozzle at Boca.

Or me.

M240H on November 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM

I’m not fond of K-Mart.
I haven’t been there in years, but when I went out of my way to buy something there I was not enamored by the messy & disorganized appearance in several of its departments.
22044 on November 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I thought it was just me….

BallisticBob on November 18, 2012 at 5:47 PM

The unions call it salting.

I’ve heard about this but never actually seen it first hand. Here’s a hint to employers. Stagger break shifts to NEVER allow congregation or conspiring. :)

Capitalist Hog on November 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Need better background checks before hiring. If you see a history of association with unions and other proggie obsessions, avoid.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Sparkplug –

You made my day – thanks!

rsherwd65 on November 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Perhaps “Math Jesus Boy Wonder” can work over Wal Marts store p&ls Monday and Tuesday and find a way for them to close for the week while offering all employees full vacation pay. “YAY MATH JESUS.”

owlpellets on November 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM

K-Mart sucks.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Yes it absolutely does. I never shop there anymore, it’s like being in a third world country. Nasty, dirty, cheap. Should be a flea market.

Key West Reader on November 18, 2012 at 6:08 PM

YAY MATH JESUS.”

owlpellets on November 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM

ROFL!!! That’s funny!

Key West Reader on November 18, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Effing phony just trying to sound like he knows a damn thing about business. Please stop.

Capitalist Hog on November 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM

As an evil oil jobber I was the only one who did work on Christmas. Because if customers had to be taken care of my employees were enjoying Christmas. Twice because the same woman with small children ran out of fuel oil on you guessed it Christmas morning. The temperature in Elko, NV is usually about 10 degrees. On the high side.

As an employee I have never worked on Christmas and would not ask my employees to do so.

Yes, all business owners are evil to the bone. Being one I know.

BullShooterAsInElk on November 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Hey Bull. Used to do a ton of business in Both Rock Springs and Elko. They were much the same except Elko had casinos and hookers. I really miss having rib eyes at the Star.

owlpellets on November 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM

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