Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on November 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

[C]ould the Romney campaign have done more to make their guy likable when it counted?

I’ve heard a few theories on this from people who either covered the campaign from the outside or were close with those who ran it from the inside. The most widespread explanation is that the campaign made a deliberate decision to limit the resources spent selling Romney-the-man. The thinking was that they couldn’t beat the president on likability in any event, and were better served by selling Romney, to paraphrase Ramesh Ponnuru, as a robot programmed to create jobs. A second, less obvious but perhaps more intriguing, theory is that leading with an account of Romney’s good deeds would have entailed delving deeply into the weeds of Mormonism (because, for example, much of Romney’s personal kindnesses came in his capacity as a church leader, and much of his charitable donations came in the form of tithing) and that this would have opened a whole new can of invertebrates that the campaign wasn’t eager to deal with.

One or both may well be true, and, combined with Romney’s apparent constitutional incapability to pat himself on the back for being a decent human being, they may have made the cuddlization of Romney a dubious strategy. But it isn’t as if the campaign worked to keep the stories secret. It did what it could, in convention testimonials, in YouTube ads, and in the mouths of surrogates (not least Paul Ryan in the nationally televised VP debate, though his boosterism was lost in the vice president’s Nicholsonesque cackling), to spread the word. But it was not preponderating.

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The messy aftermath of his failure suggests that Romney, a political amalgam with no natural constituency beyond the business community, is unlikely to play a significant role in rebuilding his party, many Republicans said this week.

“He’s not going to be running for anything in the future,” said Rep. Raúl R. Labrador (R-Idaho), who sharply criticized Romney’s comments about Hispanics. “He’s not our standard-bearer, unfortunately.”

Romney adviser Stuart Stevens strongly disagreed, calling Romney “the most popular Republican on the national scene at the moment,” given the votes he received on Election Day. Views of defeated candidates can change dramatically over time, Stevens added.

“Even those who have been critical of the campaign on our side realize in the end that Governor Romney was resonating with millions of Americans and was running the kind of campaign we could all be proud of,” Stevens said.

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In the countless hours I spent in Romney’s presence during his first White House run (and mostly from a greater distance during his second bid), I saw a man who was preternaturally upbeat, well-meaning, and kind to just about everyone he encountered, friends and strangers alike.

But I also saw a candidate who seemed by nature almost uniquely ill-equipped to appeal to the young and minority voters who ended up playing a key role in his electoral demise.

Members of the press who traveled with Romney in 2007 and early 2008 began slowly to pick up on what would become an established media narrative by the time Romney was the 2012 front-runner: The former Massachusetts governor didn’t just have a difficult time relating to young and minority voters, he often came across as a walking-talking time warp from the 1950s…

Romney’s overall argument was that he would make the economy better for everyone. But he steadfastly refused to take the next step and make his case on a narrower level, convincing critical demographic groups that he would specifically improve their lives and their communities.

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Romney is being erased with record speed from his party’s books for three reasons. First, many Republicans backed him because they thought he had a good chance of winning; that appeal, obviously, is gone. Second, Romney had shallow roots, and few friends, in the national Republican Party. And those shallow roots have allowed Republicans to give him a new role: As a sort of bad partisan bank, freighted with all the generational positions and postures that they are looking to dump.

“Romney is now a toxic asset to unload,” the historian Jack Bohrer remarked Saturday. “The only interesting thing left to his story is how they dispose of him.”…

There is an irony that Romney, the moderate, will be forced to carry off Todd Akin’s baggage on reproductive rights; Joe Arpaio’s on immigration; and James Dobson on gay rights. But when he cast popular policies as “gifts” to Obama voters (ignoring both his and Obama’s expensive promises to older voters), his decision to, as Bobby Jindal put it, “insult” the demographic groups who are a larger part of each successive electorate offered the Republicans the pivot they had been looking for toward presenting a younger, more diverse, and more inclusive party.

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“If we want people to like us, we have to like them first. And you don’t start to like people by insulting them and saying their votes were bought,” Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, chairman of the Republican Governors Association, told the “Fox News Sunday” program…

Jindal said: “We need to make it very clear – we’re not the party trying to protect the rich. They can protect themselves. We are the party that wants growth, pro-growth policies.”

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, vice chairman of the Republican Governors Association, also called for a more inclusive message from Republicans…

“We have to show that we are serious about reaching out and helping everyone, not just a group here, not just a group there,” Walker added.

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In 2008, Republicans again preached the gospel of Rove and his allies—Ed Gillespie, Dana Perino, and basically everyone tied to American Crossroads. They told us that only John McCain could defeat this amateur, Barack Obama. Obama was too liberal for the electorate, they said. He had too much baggage. The country liked the Bush administration’s approach more than the “biased” polls let on. McCain was a perfect nominee because he was not an ideologue. (At one point after his loss to Bush in 2000, McCain even flirted with being a Democrat.) This guy was back and forth on so many issues that nobody was ever certain where he might land. That made him an ideal candidate to reach out to moderates and independents. Say, any of that sound familiar?

In 2012, these same people came back again, as overconfident and unchastened as ever. This time, they had most of the right-wing media on their side, regurgitating their views and attitudes to the exclusion of all others. Mitt Romney was the perfect candidate to stop Obama—so much so that anyone who got in his way was immediately attacked and marginalized. Rove used his perch as an “analyst” on Fox News to personally attack not only Newt Gingrich (who I worked for), but Herman Cain, and Sarah Palin, and Rick Perry, and Jon Huntsman, and on and on. So what if Mitt Romney once berated the Republican Party, the Reagan administration, pro-lifers, and the religious right—in other words, his own party’s base. Republicans needed him to win…

When I worked with Rove briefly at the White House, I found him to be a smart, energetic, capable man. Maybe more than I even realized. In the past two election cycles, he and his acolytes have personally helped Barack Obama get elected and yet made millions in the process. You tell me who the dummy is—Rove or the people who keep listening to him and funding him. Come to think of it, who really deserves the blame for what’s befallen the GOP?

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What unites all of these stories is the growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible.

This is a crisis that the Republican Party often badly misunderstands, casting Democratic-leaning voters as lazy moochers or spoiled children seeking “gifts” (as a certain former Republican presidential nominee would have it) rather than recognizing the reality of their economic struggles.

But if conservatives don’t acknowledge the crisis’s economic component, liberalism often seems indifferent to its deeper social roots. The progressive bias toward the capital-F Future, the old left-wing suspicion of faith and domesticity, the fact that Democrats have benefited politically from these trends — all of this makes it easy for liberals to just celebrate the emerging America, to minimize the costs of disrupted families and hollowed-out communities, and to treat the places where Americans have traditionally found solidarity outside the state (like the churches threatened by the Obama White House’s contraceptive mandate) as irritants or threats.

This is a great flaw in the liberal vision, because whatever role government plays in prosperity, transfer payments are not a sufficient foundation for middle-class success.

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And how many of those who did die or went to prison started off with just a little harmless weed?

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 11:25 PM

usually it was alcohol and cigs, because weed doesn’t reach the addictive qualities of Caffeine.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM

another butt sniffer. do i detect an accent?

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Yes, Czech or Slovak, depending on my mood.

Now get lost.

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Why don’t you run along back to ‘stormfront’…or dkos.

Solaratov on November 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:35 PM

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Not all atheists believe in abortion.

Resist We Much on November 18, 2012 at 11:37 PM

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True enough, but try finding a totally out-of-the-closet born-again Christian believer who is “pro-choice”, and see what you come up with..

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Man, would you look at what you’re arguing for? :)

Wait, what are you arguing for.

– If it’s OK for me not to hire you for, say, my engineering staff, if you test positive for something fogging your brain — fog up. It’s just that if you have it “perfectly legal” for any “it” we might mention on Monday, by Tuesday it’s “discriminatory” for me to not go along. All this “freedom of choice” seems to go one way. If you’ll fight on the barricade with me to make sure I keep the right to not hire you — fog up.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Yes, Czech or Slovak, depending on my mood.

Now get lost.

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM

americans by nature don’t like losers. sorry guys. mitts lost. deal with it. time to get behind a winner.

second look at Sarah?

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

I’ve never used drugs but I have seen firsthand the damage they do to both the user and the people who love and depend on them. People who advocate for making them easier to obtain make me sick.

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 11:23 PM

If conservatism makes you sick, join the Dems

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:45 PM

But Resist is a decent people, and she’d take it off the table. I mean, she’s not trying to dissolve families. :) I just can’t seem to get the libertarian point of view on abortion.

(I was thinking of women as such because I know a couple who would do the same who are otherwise pretty conservative, and the numbers show a split. I probably should have gone the “libertarian” path.)

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I wasn’t in any way referring to Resist whom I consider to be a true patriot and pragmatic thinker! We are taught from a young age by this culture that abortion is merely a ‘choice’ that one might make, like where you might go to college. No one ever actually talks about what it really is or what the consequences will be. I truly had no idea until I learned about it on my own. Ask almost any woman that you know who claims to be pro-choice if she has ever actually looked at any pro-life sites with their images of little mutilated corpses and blood and 9 out of 10 times, she will admit that no, she has not and further that she has no intentions of doing so. I know of 2 girls who had abortions in college and both of them ended up unable to have children later despite lots of trying. Can you imagine how they feel now?

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 11:45 PM

americans by nature don’t like losers. sorry guys. mitts lost. deal with it. time to get behind a winner.

second look at Sarah?

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

I am an American, deal with it.

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM

second look at Sarah?

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

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Most of us haven’t let-up with our first look at Sarah.

But it’s still her call to run, or not.

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Dude, if you weren’t so high right now, you’d realize that you’re confusing Conservatism with Libertarianism. But hadn’t you better run out and buy some twinkies before they all disappear?

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Try this, Brothers in Arms

cozmo on November 18, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Ah.

I just got to push play what with all the being careful and respectful to them what deserve it whilst what with the disagreeing.

I repeat: Ah. :)

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 11:49 PM

I am an American, deal with it.

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Unlike many Mexican immigrants! According to a recent Zogby poll, 69% of Mexican immigrants who had become U.S. citizens still felt that their primary allegiance must be to Mexico! This book is really good.

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 11:50 PM

What do you know about God, Slade’?

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:37 PM

well, I know about the Christian God. I haven’t read up on Scientology or anything. I like to sum it up thusly “God is Love”

if you wanna get deeper, “God created marijuana” – a non addictive substance that can indeed bring one closer to God. I also know Jesus Christ used cannabis in his healing oils.

I know much more about God, but I figured I’d stick to the topic at hand which makes you think weed excludes God from my life.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:51 PM

do i detect an accent?

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM

If you do, what will you do with it?

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 11:23 PM

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If conservatism makes you sick, join the Dems

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:45 PM

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Being anti-hedonism (whether it be drug, alcohol, sex … you name it) does not constitute a lack of Conservative values.

It constitutes being pro-responsibility.

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM

americans by nature don’t like losers…

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

They voted for Obama, twice.

What a small person you are.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Dude, if you weren’t so high right now, you’d realize that you’re confusing Conservatism with Libertarianism. But hadn’t you better run out and buy some twinkies before they all disappear?

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 11:48 PM

I’m not high first of all

second of all you’re confusing Republicanism for Conservatism. Think about it – It’s okay for Pubs to expand govt. control over personal decisions? That’s not conservatism, that’s RINO Pubism.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:54 PM

do i detect an accent?

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM

If you do, what will you do with it?

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Copy it and try it at a bar! :)

Ello bay-bee. Ah, no, I no-tees your dreenk, it is so em-tee. I weel buy you anothher whon, yes?

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 11:55 PM

americans by nature…

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

JPeterman is more American than your tiny brain could ever comprehend.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Being anti-hedonism (whether it be drug, alcohol, sex … you name it) does not constitute a lack of Conservative values.

It constitutes being pro-responsibility.

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM

what it does (and I don’t approve of all those) is limit personal responsibility and defy the constitution. That’s not conservatism, that’s Repubism.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:56 PM

If you do, what will you do with it?

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM

make one these tasty recipes http://www.yummly.com/recipes/accent-spice

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:57 PM

There is an irony that Romney, the moderate, will be forced to carry off Todd Akin’s baggage on reproductive rights; Joe Arpaio’s on immigration; and James Dobson on gay rights.

… and this will be the irony of the Republican establishment that by doing so they will have officially destroyed the Republican party and forced the rise of a new party to take its place. The idea that the party must rid itself of opposing the killing of the unborn, opening the borders to any and all, and that any and all actions are not only to be tolerated, but celebrated by pinning those comments on the moderate that the Republican establishment swore was the only electable candidate because he would appeal to the vast middle will be the ultimate irony.

Here are the links for you: Why the GOP will not do anything about voter fraud and the actual case summary: DNC v. RNC.

Someone else here — sorry, can’t remember who — posted both of these yesterday, so I read them and bookmarked them myself. This really needs to be shouted from the heavens and sent far and wide, and it needs to be dealt with somehow.

PatriotGal2257 on November 18, 2012 at 10:54 PM

… and this further argues for the beginning of a new party, one not bound by the idiocy of the Stupid Party that signs consent agreements to guarantee its minority status to the third of forth generation of the democrats that hate them.

A Constitutional party will not be bound by this consent decree and should make one of its first orders of business to ensure the integrity of the franchise. Because what we have now is just plain stupid. I would be surprised that if we had a few Republicans with a spine and a pair who would push this, the consent decree would be thrown out. The Republicans did not agree that fraud was to be condoned, only that they would not attempt to suppress or intimidate voters. Funny that, it was the southern democrats who did all those things.

I want out of the Twilight Zone and back to my pre-2006 rational world.

AZfederalist on November 18, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

private companies are perfectly able to test for alcohol on the job. That’s a strawman.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:58 PM

your tiny brain could ever comprehend.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 11:56 PM

its not the size dude. its the motion.

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:59 PM

well, I know about the Christian God. I haven’t read up on Scientology or anything. I like to sum it up thusly “God is Love”

if you wanna get deeper, “God created marijuana” – a non addictive substance that can indeed bring one closer to God. I also know Jesus Christ used cannabis in his healing oils.

I know much more about God, but I figured I’d stick to the topic at hand which makes you think weed excludes God from my life.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:51 PM

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God created a perfect “original” of everything, that has since become corrupt, and perverted.

You stated that you know about the “Christian God”, but not what it is you know about him.

Why don’t you try getting to know him, instead of just knowing about him?

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Unlike many Mexican immigrants! According to a recent Zogby poll, 69% of Mexican immigrants who had become U.S. citizens still felt that their primary allegiance must be to Mexico! This book is really good.

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Well, it is not mine although I would be lying to say that I don’t think of home often or follow the news over there.

And, Czech Republic won the Davis Cup today, first time since 1980 when Lendl and Smid won it for Czechoslovakia.

JPeterman on November 19, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Being “pro-choice” is easy, when you’re an atheist.

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Not all atheists believe in abortion.

Resist We Much on November 18, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I can … and will Second that.

– an a-theist against abortion

ShainS on November 19, 2012 at 12:01 AM

It constitutes being pro-responsibility.

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM

It advocates Govt. intervention in personal decisions. That is not the governments place. Unless (as you say) private companies do it, that is their right.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:02 AM

This is why Romney lost:

The mainstream media.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:03 AM

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM

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what it does (and I don’t approve of all those) is limit personal responsibility and defy the constitution. That’s not conservatism, that’s Repubism.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:56 PM

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It doesn’t limit personal responsibility, it reduces temptation.

Defies the Constitution? You’re going to have to explain “in what way/how” it defies the Constitution.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Why don’t you try getting to know him, instead of just knowing about him?

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:59 PM

I like you listens, but don’t start getting presumptuous. I’ve had a personal relationship with Christ for 30 years.

And if I may be presumptuous, No One truly knows God.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:04 AM

I’m not high first of all

second of all you’re confusing Republicanism for Conservatism. Think about it – It’s okay for Pubs to expand govt. control over personal decisions? That’s not conservatism, that’s RINO Pubism.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:54 PM

The idea that it is both permissable and appropriate for the duly elected government of the people to pass and enforce laws for the good of that people has always been an integral part of our system. The founders were pretty specific about the few rights that they did not believe the government should restrict — they’re enumerated in a little document called the Bill of Rights. The idea that the government should no more have the right to prohibit the use of illicit drugs than it would to prohibit sedition is naive at best. And most of the founders were little “r” republicans or Whigs. Why don’t you do a little research? I believe that you should be looking for a Libertarian blog to comment on, hence all the confusion.

cynccook on November 19, 2012 at 12:05 AM

But it’s still her call to run, or not.

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM

yup … one can always hope that a conservative will run this time….
I voted for Mitt …. I thought he was a good candidate .. miles better
then the current WH occupant … Mitt wasn’t my first or 12th choice
but of the ones running …. he is the one that won …
and we went with him … and lost … now we need to
run a conservative .. running moderates is NOT working
see Dole, McCain, and now Mitt ….

conservative tarheel on November 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM

They are also why the country is circling the drain.
They are the enemy within.
Until something is done to destroy, or at least counter, them, the country is lost.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM

private companies are perfectly able to test for alcohol on the job. That’s a strawman.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 11:58 PM

I don’t actually do straw men, skippy.

I want to know, for another example, if you do coke at all, not if you are high at work. If you do coke at all, you’re a security threat and you can’t work in accounting.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:07 AM

And, Czech Republic won the Davis Cup today, first time since 1980 when Lendl and Smid won it for Czechoslovakia.

JPeterman on November 19, 2012 at 12:01 AM

YAY! (Remind me again, what is the Davis Cup awarded for? :/)

cynccook on November 19, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Defies the Constitution? You’re going to have to explain “in what way/how” it defies the Constitution.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:04 AM

where does the constitution give the Govt. the right to make personal decisions for us?

Not to mention the 10th amendment, being defied right now by the Pothead in Chief – raiding perfectly legal dispensaries, and sending perps to long prison sentences…for following the law!

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:08 AM

its not the size dude. its the motion.

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:59 PM

its size and its motion – it’s what it’s lacking

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 12:09 AM

*I might have a place in Art.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:09 AM

running moderates is NOT working
see Dole, McCain, and now Mitt ….

conservative tarheel on November 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM

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It sure ain’t working, but we can’t seem to get Republicans to agree what is “Conservative”.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM

I don’t actually do straw men, skippy.

I want to know, for another example, if you do coke at all, not if you are high at work. If you do coke at all, you’re a security threat and you can’t work in accounting.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:07 AM

If one does coke they will eventually be caught. Hopefully it’s a private company or the Govt. as an employer (which is their only right to do it)

the “strawman” was your indication that private companies can’t test if it’s legal. That’s WRONG. Companies fire drunks all the time.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:07 AM

oh, and don’t call me Skippy. You only marginalize an opponent when you’re losint, and I’m a big JIF fan anyway.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:14 AM

If one does coke they will eventually be caught. Hopefully it’s a private company or the Govt. as an employer (which is their only right to do it)

the “strawman” was your indication that private companies can’t test if it’s legal. That’s WRONG. Companies fire drunks all the time.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Because they are drunk, not because they are using.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

cozmo, are you looking for links to “Goin’ for Broke” by Silver Condor? I found some, if you are.

Anti-Control on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

This is why Romney lost:

The mainstream media.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Certainly that was a part of it. Romney lost for several reasons, not necessarily in any particular order:

1) He was a moderate who was unable or unwilling to articulate a strong position on just about anything. The Republican establishment was so afraid of alienating the precious independents, they were afraid to tell those precious independents where the nominee stood on just about anything.

2) The mainstream media. This election made it abundantly clear that the alphabet channels, Time, Newsweak, NYT, LA Times, AP, Reuters, etc. are all nothing but the media arm of the DNC. There was absolutely no attempt to hide their position. As you stated, that makes it darned hard for the Republican candidate to run; he has to fight on two fronts, against the democrat candidate and against the democrat candidate’s media arm. Low information voters are still stuck on the mainstream media, so the Republican candidate has to break through that stranglehold. Romney had neither the personality, will, nor charisma to do so.

3) Voter fraud. This isn’t some quaint notion anymore, when you have greater than 100% of registered voters being counted in precincts, when you have almost 20,000 votes for Obama to ZERO votes for Romney in others, when you have voter turnout numbers in certain districts twice the national average, when you have the Attorney General of the United States suing states to stop them from purging voter rolls of dead people, illegal immigrants, felons, and those who have moved, and when you have touchscreen voting machines that provide 1/4″ square to select the Republican candidate while touching any part of the rest of the screen selects the democrat, you have the certainty that fraud was a major part of the democrat win strategy. There is no reason to oppose voter ID or proper purging of voter rolls other than that you want your side to have the opportunity to cheat. That certainly played a role in Obama’s election win.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

oh, and don’t call me Skippy. You only marginalize an opponent when you’re losint, and I’m a big JIF fan anyway.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Don’t accuse me of strawmen, and I won’t call you skippy. Keep accusing me, and I’ll probably get banned.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Want to see a Mittbot in action? Go to the Palin thread in the headlines and just read the hate from mittbot bluegill.

The Mittbots sure can dish it out but freak when some one hints that Mitt lost the election, which he did.

Bluegill hits every Palin thread with vile hatred.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Goodnight all! ;)

cynccook on November 19, 2012 at 12:16 AM

One fifth of the country is committed to the left.
One fifth of the country is committed to the right.
Very little will change their beliefs.
Three fifths of the country are total morons, who are mindlessly swayed by whatever they hear (or don’t hear) on the three major networks.
These are the people that are deciding elections and in general determining the state of the nation.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Look, a Palin thread!

And here’s bluegill to tell us what Romney’s Inaugural Ball plans are because Mittens listened to geniuses like bluegill and kept Palin FAR
AWAY from his campaign.

Oh wait! Mitt’s in the Motel 6! Not the White House!

Go away, bluegill, you’re a f**king embarrassment.

victor82 on November 18, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Good comment

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Don’t accuse me of strawmen, and I won’t call you skippy. Keep accusing me, and I’ll probably get banned.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Don’t let him bother you, Axe, it’s just the drugs talking. He won’t remember any of this tomorrow and it’s certainly not worth raising your blood pressure! Goodnight! :D

cynccook on November 19, 2012 at 12:17 AM

renalin, you missed all this.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 12:17 AM

“Likeability” had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT:

Romney lost because he did not stand for anything. This fate often befalls “moderates,” because, as moderates, they cannot be trusted by principled voters.

We can’t watch our elected leaders 24/7/365. That’s why it’s important to have leaders who we know will stand up for a set of principles and values.

So “likeability” is, at most, a RESULT of a candidate’s personal makeup. I find it extremely difficult to like someone I can’t trust.

landlines on November 19, 2012 at 12:18 AM

oh, and don’t call me Skippy. You only marginalize an opponent when you’re losint, and I’m a big JIF fan anyway.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:14 AM

You kids quit arguin. It’s getting late. Have to go with “Skippy” myself. Think it is better quality than JIF.

As for the weed, I’m fixin to go straight to crack since I can then qualify for more govt. programs.

arnold ziffel on November 19, 2012 at 12:19 AM

It sure ain’t working, but we can’t seem to get Republicans to agree what is “Conservative”.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM

“Conservativism”=small government, to me at least

Anti-Control on November 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM

cynccook on November 19, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Night Cyn-c-cook.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM

running moderates is NOT working
see Dole, McCain, and now Mitt ….

conservative tarheel on November 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM

To that add HW Bush and Ford. The establishment Republicans always say that we can’t run a conservative and win because look what happened to Goldwater in 1964 (who was also done in by the MSM) while they ignore Reagan’s wins in 1980 and 1984. So, from the standpoint of losers, we are at 5 moderates losing while only one conservative lost. Seems like the answer is to go to the conservative side and be unapologetic, but intelligent, about it.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:04 AM

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where does the constitution give the Govt. the right to make personal decisions for us?

Not to mention the 10th amendment, being defied right now by the Pothead in Chief – raiding perfectly legal dispensaries, and sending perps to long prison sentences…for following the law!

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:08 AM

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It is (here I go again) “self evident” that people practicing hedonistic living never keep it to themselves.

It will always spill out into the public, and negatively impact the lives of non-practicianers. You know, us Ned Flanders types.

What Obama is doing is not related to this.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Talk to a medical professional who works with the mentally ill/drug addicted and see how benignly they feel towards marijuana.

Liar.

Capitalist Hog on November 19, 2012 at 12:23 AM

That three fifths is the part of the population that is targeted by the media and targeted by political advertisement. They are easily swayed- like sheep. No, make that retarded sheep- like slightly cross-eyed sheep with their mouths open and their tongues hanging out. The media is leftist, therefore the sheeptards are, of course, going to herd to the left.
It’s that simple, really.
Want to influence the course of the nation?
Gain control of the media.
There is no other way to do it.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:24 AM

We can’t watch our elected leaders 24/7/365. That’s why it’s important to have leaders who we know will stand up for a set of principles and values.

So “likeability” is, at most, a RESULT of a candidate’s personal makeup. I find it extremely difficult to like someone I can’t trust.

landlines on November 19, 2012 at 12:18 AM

+100 Quoted because that needs to be seen multiple times.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:24 AM

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Sadly, what you wrote is so close to the truth, I can’t even laugh. Very astute observation

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 12:17 AM

gracias.

renalin on November 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/11/18/hey-gop-take-the-palin-cure/

read the comments on this thread and be reminded that the Mittwits dish it out plenty against fellow consevatives and deflect when some one mentions that Romney lost.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Hi Schad.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:27 AM

I think Dishwalla said it best when they said:

youtube.com/watch?v=TFhPXeY0EGQ

williamg on November 19, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Hi SP

West – 2016

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 12:30 AM

read the comments on this thread and be reminded that the Mittwits dish it out plenty against fellow consevatives and deflect when some one mentions that Romney lost.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Pretty much the same as the establishment Republicans. They were all about attacking the conservative candidates — look how vicious Romney was toward his opponents during the primary campaign; if he’d have brought half that to the general election, he’d be President-elect Romney. Instead, the moderate candidates use scorched earth tactics against their Republican opponents, thus damaging those opponents in future elections and the general, then they turn around and fight by Marquis deQueenesbury rules against the real opponent. I’m pretty sick of moderate candidates. After McCain, I was willing to give the Republicans one more chance, now I’m all in on either a real conservative (i.e, small government, constitutional conservative) Republican candidate or third party.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:31 AM

It sure ain’t working, but we can’t seem to get Republicans to agree what is “Conservative”.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM

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“Conservativism” =small government, to me at least

Anti-Control on November 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM

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You can’t have “small government”, presiding over a hedonistic society. A hedonistic society is by definition “irresponsible”.

‘Responsibility’ and ‘hedonism’ are by definition, mutually exclusive.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:31 AM

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

All true, but I contend that the root problem is the media.
The media savages any conservative before they even make it out of the starting gate. Even otherwise conservative Republican politicians strain to not alienate the media by sounding conservative.
With an honest media, voter fraud would be top news and eventually something would get done about it. But we hear nary a word about it from the mainstream media. They actually promote it by advocating ID-less voting and the like.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:32 AM

….Then again, Joanie Osborne had a point when she said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USR3bX_PtU4

…and, Hey!….She sang with The Grateful Dead…and the post-Jerry version of the band….

williamg on November 19, 2012 at 12:32 AM

gracias.

renalin on November 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM

De nada – plus, some of those recipes look good. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 12:33 AM

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Thank you.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Joanie – better file:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=QOw7EuiFz0k

williamg on November 19, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Gain control of the media.
There is no other way to do it.

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:24 AM

we mocked obama for being on letterman, local dj shows, the view etc. yet in the end it helped him reach the mass of soft heads. romney was never seen or heard. that has to change.

breitbart showed the way. only Palin knows how to manipulate the media and use it to her advantage.

renalin on November 19, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Talk to a medical professional who works with the mentally ill/drug addicted and see how benignly they feel towards marijuana.

Liar.

Capitalist Hog on November 19, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Wow. I’m convinced. I bow to your superior debating skills.

kim roy on November 19, 2012 at 12:38 AM

justltl on November 19, 2012 at 12:32 AM

You have a valid point. Actually that is a very valid point because not only does that touch on the blind eye to voter fraud by the MSM, but also the pre-election MSM frenzy promoting the Republicans’ “moderate” and “most electable” candidate. The media was as responsible for getting Romney nominated as the Republican establishment. It’s only after being nominated that the pre-nomination Republican media darling becomes the very incarnation of Satan as reported by the very same media that loved him before.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:40 AM

listens2glenn on November 18, 2012 at 11:59 PM

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I like you listens, but don’t start getting presumptuous. I’ve had a personal relationship with Christ for 30 years.

And if I may be presumptuous, No One truly knows God.

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:04 AM

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Sorry, I’m “lagging behind”.

I’m multi-tasking, and a slow typist to boot.

If you’ve had a relationship with Jesus, then you “know” God.

Some Christians have gotten to know him better than others, but you still know him.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:41 AM

The sad truth is no Republican could have won this election.

A tipping point has been reached and it has tipped over.

Sherman1864 on November 19, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Seems like the answer is to go to the conservative side and be unapologetic, but intelligent, about it.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Nope, we should try a moderate just one more time. Not too moderate, not hardly moderate, a compassionate,likeable moderate in the middle. :)

arnold ziffel on November 19, 2012 at 12:42 AM

The sad truth is no Republican could have won this election.

A tipping point has been reached and it has tipped over.

Sherman1864 on November 19, 2012 at 12:41 AM

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I reject that.

But suit yourself.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Unlike many Mexican immigrants! According to a recent Zogby poll, 69% of Mexican immigrants who had become U.S. citizens still felt that their primary allegiance must be to Mexico! This book is really good.

cynccook

You should check out “They Come to America” when you get a chance.

xblade on November 19, 2012 at 12:45 AM

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM

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Nope, we should try a moderate just one more time. Not too moderate, not hardly moderate, a compassionate,likeable moderate in the middle. :)

arnold ziffel on November 19, 2012 at 12:42 AM

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Just thinking “luke-warm” makes me want to go eeewwwwwwwwwwwwww

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Want to see a Mittbot in action? Go to the Palin thread in the headlines and just read the hate from mittbot bluegill.

The Mittbots sure can dish it out but freak when some one hints that Mitt lost the election, which he did.

Bluegill hits every Palin thread with vile hatred.

SparkPlug

While there, you’ll probably see a few hatin’ palinbots in action too.

xblade on November 19, 2012 at 12:47 AM

You can’t have “small government”, presiding over a hedonistic society. A hedonistic society is by definition “irresponsible”.

‘Responsibility’ and ‘hedonism’ are by definition, mutually exclusive.

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:31 AM

As you said, people can’t agree on the definition. Mine does makes the most sense, however.

I do find it humorous when people like you believe you have the God-given right to tell others which drugs they should be allowed to put into their own bodies, and which ones they shouldn’t, like they are children, and you are an all-wise adult.

Do you believe God supports alcohol’s legality, and weed’s criminality, or do you believe it’s just your personal opinion that He does?

Anti-Control on November 19, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Personally, I like the Steelers throwback uniforms.

There, I said it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 19, 2012 at 12:50 AM

only Palin knows how to manipulate the media and use it to her advantage.

renalin on November 19, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Wow just Wow..:(

Dire Straits on November 19, 2012 at 12:53 AM

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM

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Nope, we should try a moderate just one more time. Not too moderate, not hardly moderate, a compassionate,likeable moderate in the middle. :)

arnold ziffel on November 19, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Just thinking “luke-warm” makes me want to go eeewwwwwwwwwwwwww …

listens2glenn on November 19, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Seems like moderate is not the best place to be:

“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth

Not saying that this rises to the same eternal consequences, but it does illustrate that being noncommittal and lukewarm is not an admirable quality.

I like your spirit though Arnold, hey, one more time, it’s got to work this time. ;-) Unfortunately, I’m afraid that’s what the establishment Republicans are going to try to tell us in 2016 and maybe even for the midterms in 2014. I can just see it, “Yeah, you Tea Party extremists took the House in 2010, but that was a fluke, we really need to be nominating moderates. They’ll win, you’ll see”.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Let’s make up. I like your poetry.

There is tension in our society against employers and employees. It comes mostly from a progressive’s idea of evil-capitalists and their victims, labor. In my opinion, a lot of ground in business has been ceded to the labor cause, ground that should have been held. Bartering labor is a fundamental human activity; both sides of the big desk. Subject to unalienable rights, the derivative laws, and contract law — I should be able to do, as an employer, pretty much anything I want. That’s an overstatement to make a point. I should be able to hire only tall Russian chicks, and fire the first one that forgets to call me “Captain McMuffin” on Tuesdays. The marketplace itself should be free to grind me under and set the necessary wages for “Captain McMuffin’s Crew.”

When I say I’m worried that my rights will further erode, I’m not creating a strawman; I’m expressing a concern. I said that I wanted a guarantee that I would still be free to not hire you. (You never gave me that guarantee, by the way.) Re-reading it, if you think the concern is a false argument, a strawman, because people can still be fired for being drunk — I’m not sure what to do with that. I can see your strawman there — but only if I was arguing that I wouldn’t be able to fire you for coming to work high. I wasn’t arguing that. I can tell you first hand you can just forget signing-up Captain McMuffin’s Crew, and the uniform is, apparently, illegal.

And I’m sorry I lost my temper and called you skippy.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Pretty much the same as the establishment Republicans. They were all about attacking the conservative candidates — look how vicious Romney was toward his opponents during the primary campaign; if he’d have brought half that to the general election, he’d be President-elect Romney. Instead, the moderate candidates use scorched earth tactics against their Republican opponents, thus damaging those opponents in future elections and the general, then they turn around and fight by Marquis deQueenesbury rules against the real opponent. I’m pretty sick of moderate candidates. After McCain, I was willing to give the Republicans one more chance, now I’m all in on either a real conservative (i.e, small government, constitutional conservative) Republican candidate or third party.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:31 AM

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:56 AM

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 11:25 PM

another butt sniffer. do i detect an accent?

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM

…NO!…you detect your own azzhole!

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Well, I’m out of here for the night.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Wow just Wow..:(

Dire Straits on November 19, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Heh. :)

Where you been? Cozmo spin from earlier.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I can just see it, “Yeah, you Tea Party extremists took the House in 2010, but that was a fluke, we really need to be nominating moderates. They’ll win, you’ll see”.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Yep. That’s what happened.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Pretty much the same as the establishment Republicans. They were all about attacking the conservative candidates — look how vicious Romney was toward his opponents during the primary campaign; if he’d have brought half that to the general election, he’d be President-elect Romney. Instead, the moderate candidates use scorched earth tactics against their Republican opponents, thus damaging those opponents in future elections and the general, then they turn around and fight by Marquis deQueenesbury rules against the real opponent. I’m pretty sick of moderate candidates. After McCain, I was willing to give the Republicans one more chance, now I’m all in on either a real conservative (i.e, small government, constitutional conservative) Republican candidate or third party.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:31 AM

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:56 AM

…damnitthatisSOright!

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Well, I’m out of here for the night.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Night Arizona. Twilight Zone is pretty taxing.

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Well, I’m out of here for the night.

AZfederalist on November 19, 2012 at 12:58 AM

…night AZ …thanks for the comments!

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Want to see a Mittbot in action? Go to the Palin thread in the headlines and just read the hate from mittbot bluegill.

The Mittbots sure can dish it out but freak when some one hints that Mitt lost the election, which he did.

Bluegill hits every Palin thread with vile hatred.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

I can see that bluegill is very intelligent, but my, how she misuses her talent by choosing to be so arrogant and petty – what a waste!

Anti-Control on November 19, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Axe on November 19, 2012 at 12:58 AM

LoLz..It is incredible..:)

PS..Cozmo did well with that..:)

Dire Straits on November 19, 2012 at 1:08 AM

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